Re: Sanoviv clinic in Mexico

[Guest guest]

I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can comment.

There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another board, it is one of the few – or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically tests for autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific treatments according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment options there, which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on that list had visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has heard testimonies on this place?http://www.sanoviv.com/Natasa

[Guest guest]

Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic. Thats in Guadalajara and he doesfibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to stimulate nerve growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different parts of the brain are communicating.I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr Melamed's clinic) for IVIG and otherimmune workups. So this is new to me. PramilaFrom: TamiDuncan

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PMSubject: Re: Sanoviv clinic in Mexico

I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can comment.

In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time, nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another board, it is one of the few – or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically tests for autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific treatments according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment options there, which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on that list had visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has heard testimonies on this place?http://www.sanoviv. com/Natasa

[Guest guest]

Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in mexico...Natasa posts about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if there weren't many in mexico. Sorry about that.

Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork for June. Thanks!!

Tami

Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic. Thats in Guadalajara and he doesfibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to stimulate nerve growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different parts of the brain are communicating.I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr Melamed's clinic) for IVIG and otherimmune workups. So this is new to me. Pramila

From: TamiDuncan <Tamiduncanaol>To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PMSubject: Re: Sanoviv clinic in Mexico

I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can comment.

In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time, nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another board, it is one of the few – or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically tests for autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific treatments according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment options there, which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on that list had visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has heard testimonies on this place?http://www.sanoviv. com/Natasa

[Guest guest]

ooo Tami that is very familiar to me and not getting any better here

just noticed they treat lyme at Sanoviv http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=10 & Itemid=13

this is what they say on treating autoimmunity, very intriguinig:

Autoimmune Disease

" Autoimmune " disorders are so-called because the immune system is reacting against the body's own cells. Depending on which organ is under attack will determine which disease is present or will develop (i.e. Thyroid cells will develop thyroiditis or Graves disease; compromised pancreatic cells can create diabetes; skin cells can lead to psoriasis; an auto-immune response to myelin in neuronal axons leads to multiple sclerosis, and so on).

The conventional medical approach is focused on symptom care. For example if you have rheumatoid arthritis, in a conventional setting you may be given non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (prednisone) and sometimes chemotherapeutic drugs to suppress your immune system from attacking your body. Our approach is to identify the different underlying factors that contribute to the development of the illness and address these, in addition to seeking natural non-toxic treatment as an alternative to the drugs.

Research now shows that many of these illnesses are developed and influenced by different genetic, lifestyle, environmental (toxicity from environment) and psychological factors. Knowing this we offer a holistic approach to illness and also focus on the detoxification process during your course of treatment at Sanoviv. This is the core of our philosophy.

Your course of treatment will be based on the results of the Complete Health Assessment (CHA) which you will undergo as part of the Comprehensive Medical Program. All of the treatments we prescribe work together synergistically. One very important aspect of our treatment for autoimmune disease is a vaccine which we produce from the patient's own blood. We isolate the auto antibodies (antibodies that are abnormal and attack the patient's own cells) and put them through different physical and temperature changes to turn them into proteins (antigens) and re-inject them into the patient over a period of weeks to months. This vaccine makes these auto antibodies decrease or disappear from the blood after a few months.

All of our treatment protocols are highly individualized and depend on your specific health assessment. In other words two people can have the same illness and yet they may receive different treatment.

Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in mexico...Natasa posts about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if there weren't many in mexico. Sorry about that.

Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork for June. Thanks!!

Tami

Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic. Thats in Guadalajara and he does

fibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to stimulate nerve growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different parts of the brain are communicating.

I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr Melamed's clinic) for IVIG and other

immune workups.

So this is new to me.

Pramila

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PM

Subject: Re: Sanoviv clinic in Mexico

I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can comment.

In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time, nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another board, it is one of the few – or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically tests for autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific treatments according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment options there, which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on that list had visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has heard testimonies on this place?

http://www.sanoviv. com/ <http://www.sanoviv.com/>

Natasa

[Guest guest]

Natasa,

Cool find! To bad I can't afford to fly to Mexico...for me and my

son! I do like the treatment protocols...right up my alley (and nice

to see, many of which I am already doing...but the good Vit D Mexico

has to offer after last weeks huge snow storm here in the Seattle

area sounds mighty fine!):

" Some of our treatments that have helped LD patients are:

~Hyperbaric oxygen therapy – The presence of high volumes of oxygen

in your body repairs damaged tissue and creates a hostile

environment for microbes.

~Homeopathy and homotoxicology – Medicine that will treat your

symptoms and facilitate detoxification processes without causing

secondary effects.

~Nutritional approach – Eating to build up your immune system.

~Hyperthermia – Artificial fever treatments help to fight

infections, inflammation and pain.

~Bio-energetic treatments – The wave-length and frequency of human

energy is different from that of bacteria. These treatments will

tune-up your body's energy and kill anything inside you that is not

human.

~Massage therapy, chiropractic, kinesiology – Opening the channels

of energy in your body, helping detoxification by draining your

lymphatic system. These are only two of the innumerable ways that

the proper manipulation of your muscles and bones will help you to

heal.

~Antibiotics - Yes, we know, you've already had all the imaginable

antibiotics. However, antibiotics work much better in the context of

our approach to Alternative Detoxification Treatment.

Borrelia infection is the most obvious enemy, but your body comes

equipped with the proper weapons to effectively fight disease.

Sanoviv will fight the infection at the same time as helping you to

activate the defense system against LD and will provide you with the

proper tools to continue in a vibrant health status.

>

> >

> > ooo Tami that is very familiar to me and not getting any

better here

> >

> >

> > just noticed they treat lyme at Sanoviv

> > http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?

option=com_content & task=view & id=10 & Itemid=13

> >

> >

> > this is what they say on treating autoimmunity, very intriguinig:

> >

> > Autoimmune Disease

> >

> > " Autoimmune " disorders are so-called because the immune system

is reacting

> > against the body's own cells. Depending on which organ is under

attack will

> > determine which disease is present or will develop (i.e. Thyroid

cells will

> > develop thyroiditis or Graves disease; compromised pancreatic

cells can create

> > diabetes; skin cells can lead to psoriasis; an auto-immune

response to myelin

> > in neuronal axons leads to multiple sclerosis, and so on).

> >

> > The conventional medical approach is focused on symptom care.

For example if

> > you have rheumatoid arthritis, in a conventional setting you may

be given

> > non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, steroidal anti-

inflammatory drugs

> > (prednisone) and sometimes chemotherapeutic drugs to suppress

your immune

> > system from attacking your body. Our approach is to identify the

different

> > underlying factors that contribute to the development of the

illness and

> > address these, in addition to seeking natural non-toxic

treatment as an

> > alternative to the drugs.

> >

> > Research now shows that many of these illnesses are developed

and influenced

> > by different genetic, lifestyle, environmental (toxicity from

environment) and

> > psychological factors. Knowing this we offer a holistic approach

to illness

> > and also focus on the detoxification process during your course

of treatment

> > at Sanoviv. This is the core of our philosophy.

> >

> > Your course of treatment will be based on the results of the

Complete Health

> > Assessment (CHA) which you will undergo as part of the

Comprehensive Medical

> > Program. All of the treatments we prescribe work together

synergistically. One

> > very important aspect of our treatment for autoimmune disease is

a vaccine

> > which we produce from the patient's own blood. We isolate the

auto antibodies

> > (antibodies that are abnormal and attack the patient's own

cells) and put them

> > through different physical and temperature changes to turn them

into proteins

> > (antigens) and re-inject them into the patient over a period of

weeks to

> > months. This vaccine makes these auto antibodies decrease or

disappear from

> > the blood after a few months.

> >

> > All of our treatment protocols are highly individualized and

depend on your

> > specific health assessment. In other words two people can have

the same

> > illness and yet they may receive different treatment.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is

> > overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in

mexico...Natasa posts

> > about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if

there weren't many

> > in mexico. Sorry about that.

> >

> > Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork for

June. Thanks!!

> >

> > Tami

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/29/08 14:32:07 Pacific Standard Time,

> > pramila_s@... writes:

> >> Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic. Thats

in

> >> Guadalajara and he does

> >> fibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to

stimulate nerve

> >> growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different

parts of the

> >> brain are communicating.

> >>

> >> I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr Melamed's

clinic) for

> >> IVIG and other

> >> immune workups.

> >>

> >> So this is new to me.

> >>

> >> Pramila

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PM

> >> Subject: Re: Sanoviv

clinic in Mexico

> >>

> >> I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can

comment.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time,

> >> nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

> >>> There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another

board, it is one of

> >>> the few ­ or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically

tests for

> >>> autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific

treatments

> >>> according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment

options there,

> >>> which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on

that list had

> >>> visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has

heard testimonies

> >>> on this place?

> >>>

> >>> http://www.sanoviv. com/ <http://www.sanoviv.com/>

> >>>

> >>> Natasa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This concept of an individual's individual " vaccine " is what finding

the simillimum in classical homeopathy is all about. Except I think

classical homeopathy is more sophisticated. To me this adaptation of

it seems very scary. JMHO.

Gayatri

>

> >

> > ooo Tami that is very familiar to me and not getting any

better here

> >

> >

> > just noticed they treat lyme at Sanoviv

> >

http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=10 & Itemid=13

> >

> >

> > this is what they say on treating autoimmunity, very intriguinig:

> >

> > Autoimmune Disease

> >

> > " Autoimmune " disorders are so-called because the immune system is

reacting

> > against the body's own cells. Depending on which organ is under

attack will

> > determine which disease is present or will develop (i.e. Thyroid

cells will

> > develop thyroiditis or Graves disease; compromised pancreatic

cells can create

> > diabetes; skin cells can lead to psoriasis; an auto-immune

response to myelin

> > in neuronal axons leads to multiple sclerosis, and so on).

> >

> > The conventional medical approach is focused on symptom care. For

example if

> > you have rheumatoid arthritis, in a conventional setting you may

be given

> > non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, steroidal anti-inflammatory

drugs

> > (prednisone) and sometimes chemotherapeutic drugs to suppress your

immune

> > system from attacking your body. Our approach is to identify the

different

> > underlying factors that contribute to the development of the

illness and

> > address these, in addition to seeking natural non-toxic treatment

as an

> > alternative to the drugs.

> >

> > Research now shows that many of these illnesses are developed and

influenced

> > by different genetic, lifestyle, environmental (toxicity from

environment) and

> > psychological factors. Knowing this we offer a holistic approach

to illness

> > and also focus on the detoxification process during your course of

treatment

> > at Sanoviv. This is the core of our philosophy.

> >

> > Your course of treatment will be based on the results of the

Complete Health

> > Assessment (CHA) which you will undergo as part of the

Comprehensive Medical

> > Program. All of the treatments we prescribe work together

synergistically. One

> > very important aspect of our treatment for autoimmune disease is a

vaccine

> > which we produce from the patient's own blood. We isolate the auto

antibodies

> > (antibodies that are abnormal and attack the patient's own cells)

and put them

> > through different physical and temperature changes to turn them

into proteins

> > (antigens) and re-inject them into the patient over a period of

weeks to

> > months. This vaccine makes these auto antibodies decrease or

disappear from

> > the blood after a few months.

> >

> > All of our treatment protocols are highly individualized and

depend on your

> > specific health assessment. In other words two people can have the

same

> > illness and yet they may receive different treatment.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is

> > overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in

mexico...Natasa posts

> > about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if there

weren't many

> > in mexico. Sorry about that.

> >

> > Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork for

June. Thanks!!

> >

> > Tami

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/29/08 14:32:07 Pacific Standard Time,

> > pramila_s@... writes:

> >> Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic. Thats in

> >> Guadalajara and he does

> >> fibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to

stimulate nerve

> >> growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different

parts of the

> >> brain are communicating.

> >>

> >> I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr Melamed's

clinic) for

> >> IVIG and other

> >> immune workups.

> >>

> >> So this is new to me.

> >>

> >> Pramila

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PM

> >> Subject: Re: Sanoviv clinic

in Mexico

> >>

> >> I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can

comment.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time,

> >> nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

> >>> There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another board,

it is one of

> >>> the few ­ or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically

tests for

> >>> autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific

treatments

> >>> according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment

options there,

> >>> which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on

that list had

> >>> visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has heard

testimonies

> >>> on this place?

> >>>

> >>> http://www.sanoviv. com/ <http://www.sanoviv.com/>

> >>>

> >>> Natasa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This can be done with one drop of blood from a fingerstick and also

one drop of 1st am urine. Mix. There are various ways of

accomplishing this homeopathically. You can make a 3x dilution all

the way up to 100x manually, test yourself on each successive

titration to a " no " , then apply to skin. Also can make inverted

remedies if you have an EAV/EDS machine and inversion boxs. Can

upload electronically and invert or just do straight inversion w/out

uploading electronically. This can also be an at home technique for

biological terror attacks.

> >

> > >

> > > ooo Tami that is very familiar to me and not getting any

> better here

> > >

> > >

> > > just noticed they treat lyme at Sanoviv

> > >

> http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?

option=com_content & task=view & id=10 & Itemid=13

> > >

> > >

> > > this is what they say on treating autoimmunity, very

intriguinig:

> > >

> > > Autoimmune Disease

> > >

> > > " Autoimmune " disorders are so-called because the immune system

is

> reacting

> > > against the body's own cells. Depending on which organ is under

> attack will

> > > determine which disease is present or will develop (i.e.

Thyroid

> cells will

> > > develop thyroiditis or Graves disease; compromised pancreatic

> cells can create

> > > diabetes; skin cells can lead to psoriasis; an auto-immune

> response to myelin

> > > in neuronal axons leads to multiple sclerosis, and so on).

> > >

> > > The conventional medical approach is focused on symptom care.

For

> example if

> > > you have rheumatoid arthritis, in a conventional setting you

may

> be given

> > > non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, steroidal anti-

inflammatory

> drugs

> > > (prednisone) and sometimes chemotherapeutic drugs to suppress

your

> immune

> > > system from attacking your body. Our approach is to identify

the

> different

> > > underlying factors that contribute to the development of the

> illness and

> > > address these, in addition to seeking natural non-toxic

treatment

> as an

> > > alternative to the drugs.

> > >

> > > Research now shows that many of these illnesses are developed

and

> influenced

> > > by different genetic, lifestyle, environmental (toxicity from

> environment) and

> > > psychological factors. Knowing this we offer a holistic

approach

> to illness

> > > and also focus on the detoxification process during your

course of

> treatment

> > > at Sanoviv. This is the core of our philosophy.

> > >

> > > Your course of treatment will be based on the results of the

> Complete Health

> > > Assessment (CHA) which you will undergo as part of the

> Comprehensive Medical

> > > Program. All of the treatments we prescribe work together

> synergistically. One

> > > very important aspect of our treatment for autoimmune disease

is a

> vaccine

> > > which we produce from the patient's own blood. We isolate the

auto

> antibodies

> > > (antibodies that are abnormal and attack the patient's own

cells)

> and put them

> > > through different physical and temperature changes to turn them

> into proteins

> > > (antigens) and re-inject them into the patient over a period of

> weeks to

> > > months. This vaccine makes these auto antibodies decrease or

> disappear from

> > > the blood after a few months.

> > >

> > > All of our treatment protocols are highly individualized and

> depend on your

> > > specific health assessment. In other words two people can have

the

> same

> > > illness and yet they may receive different treatment.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is

> > > overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in

> mexico...Natasa posts

> > > about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if

there

> weren't many

> > > in mexico. Sorry about that.

> > >

> > > Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork for

> June. Thanks!!

> > >

> > > Tami

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/29/08 14:32:07 Pacific Standard Time,

> > > pramila_s@ writes:

> > >> Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic.

Thats in

> > >> Guadalajara and he does

> > >> fibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to

> stimulate nerve

> > >> growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different

> parts of the

> > >> brain are communicating.

> > >>

> > >> I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr

Melamed's

> clinic) for

> > >> IVIG and other

> > >> immune workups.

> > >>

> > >> So this is new to me.

> > >>

> > >> Pramila

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> From: TamiDuncan <Tamiduncan@>

> > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PM

> > >> Subject: Re: Sanoviv

clinic

> in Mexico

> > >>

> > >> I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can

> comment.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time,

> > >> nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

> > >>> There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another

board,

> it is one of

> > >>> the few ­ or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically

> tests for

> > >>> autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific

> treatments

> > >>> according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment

> options there,

> > >>> which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on

> that list had

> > >>> visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has

heard

> testimonies

> > >>> on this place?

> > >>>

> > >>> http://www.sanoviv. com/ <http://www.sanoviv.com/>

> > >>>

> > >>> Natasa

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I completely get doing this homeopathically. Do you prefer a 1:9 ratio

or a 1:10 ratio to make the dilutions or does it not matter that much?

How many days would this be good for, ballpark?

Thanks much.

Gayatri

> > >

> > > >

> > > > ooo Tami that is very familiar to me and not getting any

> > better here

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > just noticed they treat lyme at Sanoviv

> > > >

> > http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?

> option=com_content & task=view & id=10 & Itemid=13

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > this is what they say on treating autoimmunity, very

> intriguinig:

> > > >

> > > > Autoimmune Disease

> > > >

> > > > " Autoimmune " disorders are so-called because the immune system

> is

> > reacting

> > > > against the body's own cells. Depending on which organ is under

> > attack will

> > > > determine which disease is present or will develop (i.e.

> Thyroid

> > cells will

> > > > develop thyroiditis or Graves disease; compromised pancreatic

> > cells can create

> > > > diabetes; skin cells can lead to psoriasis; an auto-immune

> > response to myelin

> > > > in neuronal axons leads to multiple sclerosis, and so on).

> > > >

> > > > The conventional medical approach is focused on symptom care.

> For

> > example if

> > > > you have rheumatoid arthritis, in a conventional setting you

> may

> > be given

> > > > non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, steroidal anti-

> inflammatory

> > drugs

> > > > (prednisone) and sometimes chemotherapeutic drugs to suppress

> your

> > immune

> > > > system from attacking your body. Our approach is to identify

> the

> > different

> > > > underlying factors that contribute to the development of the

> > illness and

> > > > address these, in addition to seeking natural non-toxic

> treatment

> > as an

> > > > alternative to the drugs.

> > > >

> > > > Research now shows that many of these illnesses are developed

> and

> > influenced

> > > > by different genetic, lifestyle, environmental (toxicity from

> > environment) and

> > > > psychological factors. Knowing this we offer a holistic

> approach

> > to illness

> > > > and also focus on the detoxification process during your

> course of

> > treatment

> > > > at Sanoviv. This is the core of our philosophy.

> > > >

> > > > Your course of treatment will be based on the results of the

> > Complete Health

> > > > Assessment (CHA) which you will undergo as part of the

> > Comprehensive Medical

> > > > Program. All of the treatments we prescribe work together

> > synergistically. One

> > > > very important aspect of our treatment for autoimmune disease

> is a

> > vaccine

> > > > which we produce from the patient's own blood. We isolate the

> auto

> > antibodies

> > > > (antibodies that are abnormal and attack the patient's own

> cells)

> > and put them

> > > > through different physical and temperature changes to turn them

> > into proteins

> > > > (antigens) and re-inject them into the patient over a period of

> > weeks to

> > > > months. This vaccine makes these auto antibodies decrease or

> > disappear from

> > > > the blood after a few months.

> > > >

> > > > All of our treatment protocols are highly individualized and

> > depend on your

> > > > specific health assessment. In other words two people can have

> the

> > same

> > > > illness and yet they may receive different treatment.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is

> > > > overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in

> > mexico...Natasa posts

> > > > about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if

> there

> > weren't many

> > > > in mexico. Sorry about that.

> > > >

> > > > Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork for

> > June. Thanks!!

> > > >

> > > > Tami

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 12/29/08 14:32:07 Pacific Standard Time,

> > > > pramila_s@ writes:

> > > >> Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic.

> Thats in

> > > >> Guadalajara and he does

> > > >> fibroblast growth factor and other protein based therapies to

> > stimulate nerve

> > > >> growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how different

> > parts of the

> > > >> brain are communicating.

> > > >>

> > > >> I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr

> Melamed's

> > clinic) for

> > > >> IVIG and other

> > > >> immune workups.

> > > >>

> > > >> So this is new to me.

> > > >>

> > > >> Pramila

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> From: TamiDuncan <Tamiduncan@>

> > > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > > >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PM

> > > >> Subject: Re: Sanoviv

> clinic

> > in Mexico

> > > >>

> > > >> I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe she can

> > comment.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard Time,

> > > >> nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

> > > >>> There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on another

> board,

> > it is one of

> > > >>> the few ­ or possibly the only?? - clinic that specifically

> > tests for

> > > >>> autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs specific

> > treatments

> > > >>> according to test results (amongst other tests and treatment

> > options there,

> > > >>> which include detox etc), but at that time only one adult on

> > that list had

> > > >>> visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or has

> heard

> > testimonies

> > > >>> on this place?

> > > >>>

> > > >>> http://www.sanoviv. com/ <http://www.sanoviv.com/>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Natasa

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds very similar to what some folks are talking about on Lyme

net in the Bionic 880, Photon, Lightworks threads. Make your own and

then tape to solar plexus and use machine on various points on body.

I saved the link if anyone is interested. The idea of making a nosode

from blood or urine tho is I think considered heavy duty because you

are capturing lots in information with that method for the body to

process. There has been talk of using individual nosodes until

pathogen load is down. I would love to learn more about making these

from blood and urine, though not ready for it yet. Unless, there is a

way to make a detox nosode. Robin

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > ooo Tami that is very familiar to me and not getting any

> > better here

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > just noticed they treat lyme at Sanoviv

> >>> > >

> > http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?

option=com_content & task=view & id=10 & Itemid=13

> > <http://www.sanoviv.com/index.php?

option=com_content & amp;task=view & amp;id=10 & a

> > mp;Itemid=13>

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > this is what they say on treating autoimmunity, very

intriguinig:

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Autoimmune Disease

> >>> > >

> >>> > > " Autoimmune " disorders are so-called because the immune

system is

> > reacting

> >>> > > against the body's own cells. Depending on which organ is

under

> > attack will

> >>> > > determine which disease is present or will develop (i.e.

Thyroid

> > cells will

> >>> > > develop thyroiditis or Graves disease; compromised

pancreatic

> > cells can create

> >>> > > diabetes; skin cells can lead to psoriasis; an auto-immune

> > response to myelin

> >>> > > in neuronal axons leads to multiple sclerosis, and so on).

> >>> > >

> >>> > > The conventional medical approach is focused on symptom

care. For

> > example if

> >>> > > you have rheumatoid arthritis, in a conventional setting

you may

> > be given

> >>> > > non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, steroidal anti-

inflammatory

> > drugs

> >>> > > (prednisone) and sometimes chemotherapeutic drugs to

suppress your

> > immune

> >>> > > system from attacking your body. Our approach is to

identify the

> > different

> >>> > > underlying factors that contribute to the development of the

> > illness and

> >>> > > address these, in addition to seeking natural non-toxic

treatment

> > as an

> >>> > > alternative to the drugs.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Research now shows that many of these illnesses are

developed and

> > influenced

> >>> > > by different genetic, lifestyle, environmental (toxicity

from

> > environment) and

> >>> > > psychological factors. Knowing this we offer a holistic

approach

> > to illness

> >>> > > and also focus on the detoxification process during your

course of

> > treatment

> >>> > > at Sanoviv. This is the core of our philosophy.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Your course of treatment will be based on the results of the

> > Complete Health

> >>> > > Assessment (CHA) which you will undergo as part of the

> > Comprehensive Medical

> >>> > > Program. All of the treatments we prescribe work together

> > synergistically. One

> >>> > > very important aspect of our treatment for autoimmune

disease is a

> > vaccine

> >>> > > which we produce from the patient's own blood. We isolate

the auto

> > antibodies

> >>> > > (antibodies that are abnormal and attack the patient's own

cells)

> > and put them

> >>> > > through different physical and temperature changes to turn

them

> > into proteins

> >>> > > (antigens) and re-inject them into the patient over a

period of

> > weeks to

> >>> > > months. This vaccine makes these auto antibodies decrease or

> > disappear from

> >>> > > the blood after a few months.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > All of our treatment protocols are highly individualized and

> > depend on your

> >>> > > specific health assessment. In other words two people can

have the

> > same

> >>> > > illness and yet they may receive different treatment.

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Ooops...you guys just got a sneak peek into how my brain is

> >>> > > overloaded....Pramila said she was going to a clinic in

> > mexico...Natasa posts

> >>> > > about a clinic in mexico, must be the same one...DUH..as if

there

> > weren't many

> >>> > > in mexico. Sorry about that.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Pramila...just sending a reminder to fax me your paperwork

for

> > June. Thanks!!

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Tami

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > In a message dated 12/29/08 14:32:07 Pacific Standard Time,

> >>> > > pramila_s@ writes:

> >>>> > >> Not this one Tami. I go to mexico to Dr Aguilar's clinic.

Thats in

> >>>> > >> Guadalajara and he does

> >>>> > >> fibroblast growth factor and other protein based

therapies to

> > stimulate nerve

> >>>> > >> growth. He also does a great EEG assessment of how

different

> > parts of the

> >>>> > >> brain are communicating.

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> I also go to Denver to 1sthealthcenters.com (Thats Dr

Melamed's

> > clinic) for

> >>>> > >> IVIG and other

> >>>> > >> immune workups.

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> So this is new to me.

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Pramila

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> From: TamiDuncan <Tamiduncan@>

> >>>> > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> >>>> <mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>>> > >> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:50:26 PM

> >>>> > >> Subject: Re:

Sanoviv clinic

> > in Mexico

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> I think Pramila goes there but not totally sure, maybe

she can

> > comment.

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> In a message dated 12/29/08 13:49:27 Pacific Standard

Time,

> >>>> > >> nenodalmaholidays (DOT) co.uk writes:

> >>>>> > >>> There was a thread on this clinic a while ago on

another board,

> > it is one of

> >>>>> > >>> the few ­ or possibly the only?? - clinic that

specifically

> > tests for

> >>>>> > >>> autoimmune pathology in chronic diseases and designs

specific

> > treatments

> >>>>> > >>> according to test results (amongst other tests and

treatment

> > options there,

> >>>>> > >>> which include detox etc), but at that time only one

adult on

> > that list had

> >>>>> > >>> visited them. Does anyone here have any experience or

has heard

> > testimonies

> >>>>> > >>> on this place?

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> http://www.sanoviv. com/ <http://www.sanoviv.com/>

> >>>>> > >>>

> >>>>> > >>> Natasa

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

>