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where is this place where there is no mold?

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> > I also have been told I have Lyme and the symptoms are identical to those on

the mold list. So, if I cant leave this home..is it pointless to go see him?

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> My experience, observation and strong belief is that it is exceedingly

difficult to treat Lyme, viruses or any other pathogens insofar as people are

still getting much mold exposure.

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> It seems that the immune system isn't up to it.

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> All those antibiotic treatments are tremendously taxing on the system. Many

people cannot tolerate more than even a small amount. Those who proceed often

suffer terrible die-off reactions. Those who make any improvements often

experience relapses back to where they were.

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> Antivirals seem to be the same.

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> I was not able to tolerate any of that stuff when I was in my moldy house.

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> When I was pursuing moderate avoidance, I was able to tolerate small amounts

with a good bit of symptoms.

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> When I've been really clear of mold toxins as a result of extreme avoidance,

I've had little problems tolerating regular doses (and have experienced

significant benefits).

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> If the mold is what is screwing up the immune system (and fostering a

relatively anaerobic environment in which pathogens can easily thrive), this

makes perfect sense.

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> I remain perplexed at why people would want to remain in a place that's

poisoning them, regardless of what the alternative is....

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, let me see if I can understand this.

someone that lives with you in a rabbit hole in the desert who has the most

extreme mcs can work in the summer but not in the winter, by practicing extreme

advoidance. so what happens in the winter? does the desert become extremely

moldy?

are you sure this is not a extreme allergy to mold?

how does extreme advoidance fit in with living in the desert in the winter with

extreme mold? are there some other extreme facts your leaving out? does this

extremest have any other extreme reactions to anything besides mold? if not it

must surely be a extreme allergy.

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> This is very interesting about having to get away from the mold before

> healing from other chronic problems, thank you.

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> Regarding " wanting to stay in a place that's poisoning them " , I think

> there can be many reasons. In my son's case, he doesn't necessarily

> believe that mold is poisoning him, he sees this as one more theory,

> likely to be yet another misdiagnosis as there have been so many, he is

> attached to our house, it is the only home he has ever known, he is

> comfortable there, it is the " known " quantity, he has great difficulty

> traveling due to chronic pain, sleep issues, and digestive problems, so

> for many reasons he could not just take off and live out of our car...

> And he doesn't even have to think about the logistics, cost, etc. of

> finding a safer place, paying for an additional residence, etc...

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> I personally found it very stressful trying to find a place that was

> likely to be relatively mold safe & also provide certain amenities that

> would help my son be somewhat in his comfort zone away from home, and I

> am completely healthy, so I can imagine how difficult it is for someone

> who is very sick to make a move, either temporary or permanent...

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> And then there are issues like jobs and kids in school, and so on....

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> Also I don't think I've found the perfect safe place yet either, I will

> have to go thru this again if the doctor says to not go back to our

> house (likely scenario), looking for a more permanent place to live.

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> Sue

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thanks for the replies. I am very ill and just the thought of trying to pack

up...look for someplace to live, not just any place..but a non moldy place ..one

that is near where I live. It just seems impossible. What if the new place is

just as moldy or worse.

My symptoms are worse in winter than summer...but wouldnt the mold grow more in

the summer months? AC is barely run in summer, so that is not the variable.

Cant you treat while still living in the moldy home?

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here are my current symptoms..

very tight pelvic floor muscles,

interstitial cystitis...

some mornings I wake up feeling very sick(like today) but I was OK for the past

few days, so not sure what it it..but it is rainy today.

I am sensitive to many foods.

Weight loss,

vulvodynia.

the odd thing is I did work in a building that had leaks..sat under a vent...but

I was in that building for five years before I got sick. I would get upper

respitory infections, but that was the extent ...until 2005 when I was in the

mountains.

would Dr Shoemaker be able to tell what is mold and what is lyme?

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Hi,

I am really interested in your symptoms BECAUSE my sick family member

has very tight pelvic floor muscles, pelvic pain and dysfunction. The

cause of these problems is not well understood by conventional medicine,

they are good at diagnosing it but then do not know the cause or how to

fix, I suspect that it is neuromuscular misfiring brought on by mold and

other toxicities.

Sue

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>here are my current symptoms..

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>very tight pelvic floor muscles,

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also, here are a couple books you may want to read, although they don't

address the cause, if you have the energy to do the work, some of this

may help:

Heal Pelvic Pain by Amy Stein

<http://www.amazon.com/Heal-Pelvic-Pain-Strengthening-Incontinence/dp/

0071546561/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1261872040 & sr=8-1>

A Headache in the Pelvis by Wise

<http://www.amazon.com/Headache-Pelvis-5th--Wise/dp/0972775544/

ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1261872040 & sr=8-2>

And there are physical therapists who specialize in pelvic floor

problems who maybe able to give you some relief.

However, my sick family member did Dr. Wise's 5 day program (but

did not do the follow up homework) and got no relief from that, he also

did months and months of physical therapy without any relief, but again

he did little of the PT homework...

Good luck, Sue

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>here are my current symptoms..

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>very tight pelvic floor muscles,

> interstitial cystitis...

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thanks SSR- it is just a real challenge tracking down all my medical

records...I have been to so many doctors it is just crazy.

I would have to create my timeline for sickness too and I havent kept that

detailed of notes along the way.

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No, no treatment can keep up with the ongoing toxic load from a moldy

environment. You might as well try to dry yourself while standing under the

shower. If you stay you will permanently damage your health or die

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> thanks for the replies. I am very ill and just the thought of trying to pack

up...look for someplace to live, not just any place..but a non moldy place ..one

that is near where I live. It just seems impossible. What if the new place is

just as moldy or worse.

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> My symptoms are worse in winter than summer...but wouldnt the mold grow more

in the summer months? AC is barely run in summer, so that is not the variable.

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> Cant you treat while still living in the moldy home?

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In a message dated 12/27/2009 9:57:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mich2604@... writes:

thanks SSR- it is just a real challenge tracking down all my medical

records...I have been to so many doctors it is just crazy.

I don't think you have to copy them ALL. Just the most recent and a good

summary of what has been going on with you. Symptoms, when they began,

testing done, results, etc. Include the Drs. names and why you saw them and

what

they treated you for and with.

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