Re: What else might a low CD57 mean?

[Guest guest]

Caryn,

Borrelia is by far the only infection known to lower CD-57. The Lyme

doctors reference to this, if the western blot is negative, or inconclusive.

If the western blot is positive, or Lyme treatment has started, the doctors

check on CD-57 periodically to monitor the effectiveness of treatments.

However, if a patient has severe coinfections, which might raise CD-57 due

to immune response to coinfections. CD-57 needs to be considered in the

context of other labs or the patient's symptoms.

Limin

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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 06:56

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: What else might a low CD57

mean?

> A friend with an ASD son just ran the labcorp CD57 on her son and it

> came back with a 22. Obviously this is really low and my lyme

> practitioner uses this as an indicator of borrelia. Can anyone tell me

> what else this might mean, if anything?

>

> Caryn

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[Guest guest]

A friend told me to google it and I am reading HIV CMV and Maybe EBV

can also cause low cd 57. Would love clarification. I am reading it

as an immunodeficiency response not limited to lyme. Robin

>

> Caryn,

>

> Borrelia is by far the only infection known to lower CD-57. The

Lyme

> doctors reference to this, if the western blot is negative, or

inconclusive.

> If the western blot is positive, or Lyme treatment has started, the

doctors

> check on CD-57 periodically to monitor the effectiveness of

treatments.

> However, if a patient has severe coinfections, which might raise CD-

57 due

> to immune response to coinfections. CD-57 needs to be considered

in the

> context of other labs or the patient's symptoms.

>

> Limin

>

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>

> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 06:56

> To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

> Subject: What else might a

low CD57

> mean?

>

> > A friend with an ASD son just ran the labcorp CD57 on her son and

it

> > came back with a 22. Obviously this is really low and my lyme

> > practitioner uses this as an indicator of borrelia. Can anyone

tell me

> > what else this might mean, if anything?

> >

> > Caryn

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have read that many children with autism have low CD 57 counts. I

have never been able to find what other infections lower it other than

lyme, but I see reports that it is assumed that its likely. I see

reports that mercury and electrosmog and even other things we often are

exposed to, can also lower the CD 57 counts. The CD 57 cells kill

pathogens that live inside of cells. With AIDS, only one portion of

the large immune system is affected, the T-helper cells, and this is

enough to cause a chain reaction of eventually burning out the immune

system, causing too many pathogens and toxins to stock-pile till

death.

Autism is similar in that the immune system is over-whelmed with too

many pathogens and toxins. Thus, one can see how a lowering of the

portion of the immune system needed to kill intra-cellular pathogens

could lead to a big problem. Many on the lyme forums report very low

CD-57 counts, with a few reporting normal counts, and rarely someone

will report a very high count. I believe the count goes up at initial

infection, then back down to normal, then lowers due to basically

burning out. The immune system just gets too over-whelmed and can't

keep up. I wish there was more on the CD 57 count on the Internet.

If lyme, mercury and electrosmog all lower CD 57 white blood cell

counts, than it's easy to see how they go together to cause such a

dysfunction. This may explain how one can have one of the 3 and not

have too much of a problem, but having 2 or 3 of the 3 can be. Throw

in some viruses from the MMR vaccine and herpes, etc. with too low of a

CD 57 count to fight them, and then we have a situation.

I think autism and other diseases are a combination of factors. It

appears the combination of things add up together to be a problem.

This would match why our children need to be treated from several

different angles to get well. Many lyme doctors will use the CD 57

count to determine the load of lyme. It is often thought that when the

CD 57 count goes back up to 150 or 200, than the person is likely to be

able to then fight the lyme on their own. But, I have seen people

report low numbers, than over 150, and then going off of lyme

treatment, only to get sick again. Thus, I don't feel having higher CD

57 counts should be looked upon as if one is recovered, but rather it

should be looked upon as one is doing better. This is just my opionion

of course. Two of us were tested for CD 57 counts, and both were low.

I come across reports from time to time of things that raise CD 57

counts. Samento is one. I am sleepy right now, so can't remember what

else. I think that things that kill pathogens or detox mercury, should

also raise CD 57 counts.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> A friend with an ASD son just ran the labcorp CD57 on her son and it

> came back with a 22. Obviously this is really low and my lyme

> practitioner uses this as an indicator of borrelia. Can anyone tell

me

> what else this might mean, if anything?

>

> Caryn

>

[Guest guest]

WOW. Really interesting information. Thank you, Heidi. No idea CD 57

goes for intracellular. I wonder what makes CD57.. I guess thats

somewhere on the internet, but like you said, there is so little

info. Just wondering if taking products that raise cd57 might

delplete something else?? I'm taking beta glucan and wondering if it

is a big waste of money.. if it really works. Anyone have experience

positive or negative with that. I also wonder if homeopathic Nosodes

effect cd 57 and if any of you have pos experience.. or neg. My

daughter is on them now with her last round of abx.. 12 weeks to

date. High cd 57, ana positive, lymph nodes swollen, possibly brina

fog .. hard to read that with a " right brained " child. She has herxed

only a few times. The worst needing help down the stairs.. strange

one is her little finger tremoring.. anyone know how lyme could cause

that? Also happened when we did the auto with the Lightworks.. little

finger tremors and wobbly legs. I called and was told a possibly

detox. Robin

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> > A friend with an ASD son just ran the labcorp CD57 on her son and

it

> > came back with a 22. Obviously this is really low and my lyme

> > practitioner uses this as an indicator of borrelia. Can anyone

tell

> me

> > what else this might mean, if anything?

> >

> > Caryn

> >

>