Re: Is eating more calories or less better?/ How much fiber is too much?

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At 01:45 PM 1/17/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>Interesting idea... that anger might result from restricting calories. I

>tend to get short-tempered and maybe more aggressive when I eat lots of

>meat but I haven't gotten angry from not eating. What types of emotions do

>list members have when not eating or eating lightly or when eating

>different types of foods?

I am the crankiest, most evil, hostile person when I am hungry. When I get

nasty, the first thing my friend will say to me is, " Do we need to get you

some food? " Oh, and when I am craving sugar, I will enlist everyone around

to help me get a hit (lest they face my wrath). Sugar free for a month, and

I don't crave it at all! But now I feel true deep hunger (grumble, grumble)!

However, I have been thinking about this: I must get 10+ servings of

veggies a day, maybe even more. On any given day I eat veggies at every

meal, especially as I eat low carb and pad out my food with veggies. I got

to thinking how 1000 years ago, no one was really eating 60 ounces of

veggies a day!!!

I calculate my calories, carbs and so on, and I am getting 25-30 grams of

fiber a day.

Am I taxing my digestive system?

Mimi

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At 07:26 PM 1/17/02 -0500, you wrote:

>However, I have been thinking about this: I must get 10+ servings of

>veggies a day, maybe even more. On any given day I eat veggies at every

>meal, especially as I eat low carb and pad out my food with veggies. I got

>to thinking how 1000 years ago, no one was really eating 60 ounces of

>veggies a day!!!

>I calculate my calories, carbs and so on, and I am getting 25-30 grams of

>fiber a day.

>Am I taxing my digestive system?

>

>Mimi

Hi Mimi

You may be taxing your digestive system as cellulose isn't digestible but

the body tries to digest it anyway. Takes a lot of energy. Of course,

cooking the vegetables makes them easier to digest but the cellulose is

still there.

I remember reading in the newspaper about 6-8 months ago that a

" scientific " study found (I'm paraphrasing here) that fiber wasn't really

all that necessary and had little effect on conditions such as colon

cancer. They were sort of reversing popular thinking on the need for fiber

for good health.

This is in keeping with another diet espoused by Aajonus

Vonderplanitz. Without going into too many details, we juice the

vegetables instead of eating them whole. This gets around the cellulose

thing and also helps to vastly increase the ingestion of the nutrients and

minerals, etc., from the vegetables. We get a " high " from having 6-8

ounces about 4-5 times a day between meals. The choice of vegetables is

important - it is usually celery (70%), parsley (15%) and zucchini or

cucumber (15%) with slight variations on that theme.

This is, obviously, a remedial use of the juice for deep healing

purposes. That much juice is probably not necessary in a very healthy

individual.

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Hello Mimi

Adelle did some research about 50 years ago and she found that

if you start with a breakfast that has fat, protein and carbos, like

a bowl of cereal with whole milk and some meat perhaps, you will have

a feeling of well being way into the afternoon. It works for my

friends and I at work. One fellow worker is a purist vegan and he is

one cranky individual, we feel like we are on vacation when he is not

around.

I think the low-fat (high carbo) diet was made up by the World Health

Organization because it promotes better use of farmland and therefore

cheaper food for the third world but it seems to be unhealthy for

those that adopt it.

Max

> >Interesting idea... that anger might result from restricting

calories. I

> >tend to get short-tempered and maybe more aggressive when I eat

lots of

> >meat but I haven't gotten angry from not eating. What types of

emotions do

> >list members have when not eating or eating lightly or when eating

> >different types of foods?

>

>

> I am the crankiest, most evil, hostile person when I am hungry.

When I get

> nasty, the first thing my friend will say to me is, " Do we need to

get you

> some food? " Oh, and when I am craving sugar, I will enlist

everyone around

> to help me get a hit (lest they face my wrath). Sugar free for a

month, and

> I don't crave it at all! But now I feel true deep hunger (grumble,

grumble)!

>

> However, I have been thinking about this: I must get 10+ servings

of

> veggies a day, maybe even more. On any given day I eat veggies at

every

> meal, especially as I eat low carb and pad out my food with

veggies. I got

> to thinking how 1000 years ago, no one was really eating 60 ounces

of

> veggies a day!!!

> I calculate my calories, carbs and so on, and I am getting 25-30

grams of

> fiber a day.

> Am I taxing my digestive system?

>

> Mimi

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hiya!

Qualified by the fact that I became a low-carber because that was the only

way of eating that made me feel healthy and got my insulin very stable (and

yes, I tried every diet ever conceived, but I was brainwashed by the low

fat people, so it took me a while to get here!)... Even before that, when

I was a low-fat person, protein and fat were the best things for me, and

the lower the carbs the better. in the morning. A carb loaded breakfast, no

matter how much fat and protein, guraranteed cravings all day. That said,

fat has gone from being 15% of my diet or less to over 65%, bolstered with

some protein and more veggies than you can imagine! Who knew how yummy

coconut oil and butter were!

Thank you everyone for comments on the fiber. My grand conclusion is that I

am by no means eating too much fiber compared to people 100,000 years ago,

or even native people today. But I will eat things like cabbage and

broccoli cooked.

Sorry if this is all obvious, am a broke student, but got a nice Amazon

gift certificate to buy the book and it arrives today!

>I think the low-fat (high carbo) diet was made up by the World Health

>Organization because it promotes better use of farmland and therefore

>cheaper food for the third world but it seems to be unhealthy for

>those that adopt it.

Agreed!

Mimi

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