- Re: Magnesium (and Vit D) -

[Guest guest]

OK then your mother... or better yet- older sister.. Yah I like that.

Yes. And is like an internet God.. He must have been

laid up with an injury he was so prolific thru those years he posted

EVERYTHING about anything medical... he couldn't have had time to

have a full time job.

Yes.. you're correct about getting the most you can from food (GOOD

food) because my highly educated nutritionist friends tell me eactly

what you quoted.. that there's unidentified nutrients in whole food

that you just cannot duplicate by suppliments.

To quote Rumsfeld.. who quoted someone else...

You just don't know what you don't know.

Barb

>

>

> > Yo !!!.. sometimes I wish we could just sit down and have a

beer

> > together- you're sense of huumore just jives with mine (but you

all

> > should know I could be 's mother- or GRAND mother I guess..)

>

> Um my grandmother is like 90... as for beer, /absolutement/, I

> probably owe you a beer for answering the zillion questions I sent

you

> in 2004...

>

>

>

> > Most people don't even know tanning lotion keeps Vit D synthesis

from

> > happening..

> >

> > It takes 20 minutes in the sun with a large percentage of skin

> > exposed to make enough Vit D.

>

> Yeah there is a big guilt-etc-charged polemic going on between the

new

> hi-D crew and the dermatologists, who have been recommending gonzo

> SPFs for a long time. I have to say, wearing mega sun lotion like

all

> the time sounds pretty wacko to me.

>

>

>

> > Plus it's my theroy.. that we've scrwed up our food sources and

soil

> > so much that we're killing ourselves slowing anyway with out

> > deficient diets.. I'm SOoooooooooooooooooooooo not positive about

> > that stuff.

>

> I've heard this claimed before. There does seem to be some research

on

> it. Here's an interesting news article:

>

> http://www.organicauthority.com/organic-food/organic-food-

articles/declining-nutritional-value-of-produce-due-to-high-yield-

selective-seed-breeding..html

>

> It sounds like the decreases are something that could be

accomodated:

>

> " 'The median declines we found from data published in 1950 to 1999

> ranged [depending on the nutrient in question] from 6% to 38%, with

an

> average around 15%. So 15% more vegetables and fruits would

> theoretically make up the difference, with very little increase in

> calories. But to reach 5 to 9 servings per day, most Americans would

> need to make much larger increases,' said. "

>

> Still, this could /perhaps/ help explain marginal status for some

> people in certain nutrients (I haven't actually handled the data,

so I

> don't know; I also haven't looked for dissenting research).

>

> A whole lot of our food is (and long has been) pretty dang far from

> being " wild type " according to Steve , who is usually right

> about almost everything.

>

> One potential problem - and I believe this basically is often stated

> by advocates of organic food and/or bio-ancestral diets - is

> unidentified nutrients. I can just supplement magnesium, but if

> there's some thing that was in the food during my whole Homo sappy

> ancestry, I might not know about it, so perhaps I could only get it

by

> buying various kinds of $18 food at Fresh Fields or whatever. For

the

> /most/ part, nutrition is not all that mystifying, and hasn't even

> changed very much over billions of years - our biochemistry is much

> like that of bacteria. What's /not/ easy to detect is whether

adequacy

> of some nutrient makes a very subtle difference; ring up 14 such

> nutrients and you might have a real effect on your vigor. Of course

> this could be studied very clearly by simply changing people over

to a

> complete ancestral diet and measuring the effects; probably this has

> been tried? It's not like you need to understand in advance what the

> nutrients are; first you just find the effects. That's how all the

> vitamins were discovered - it was just like, if you raise rats on a

> diet of 100% pickled bat skins, they get sores that go away when you

> give them lettuce... viola, it's vitamin Q... and then they'd just

> separate out the chemicals in lettuce to figure out which one of

them

> actually is vitamin Q.

>