Re: Is eating more calories or less better?

[Guest guest]

Roman:

Dr. Atkins made some concise comments on the longevity studies done with

rats in his anti-aging book (Dr. Atkins' Age-Defying Diet, pp. 72-76). While

the rats who were food-deprived did live longer, their cortisol levels were

also considerably elevated. Cortisol is a hormone released when the body is

under stress. So, the question now to ask is this: Was the quality of life

good for the rats that lived longer? Its doubtful. In experiments done with

monkeys (which are closer to humans), it has not been proven yet if

calorie-deprivation results ina longer life.

Its also hard to transfer the findings to people. Consistently elevated

cortisol levels are a major cause of immune suppression so I don't think

this is something we should necessarily want. Besides, who wants to walk

around feeling hungry all the time? Its unpleasant.

All the best,

Byrnes, PhD, RNCP

http://www.PowerHealth.net

>From: Roman <r_rom@...>

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>Subject: Is eating more calories or less better?

>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:56:51 -0800 (PST)

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>I think I've read in NT that Dr. Price had discovered

>that people who ate more calories were the healthiest.

>How can this be reconciled with expreriments showing

>that caloric restriction expands life span? I want to

>be healthy and live long.

>

>Roman

>

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[Guest guest]

but did the same study also measure quality of life?

i've heard about such studies, but are not familiar with the specifics. for

example, if the study was conducted in animals (and i think one has been),

were there any tissue examinations? behavioral outcomes?

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From: " Roman " <r_rom@...>

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Subject: Is eating more calories or less better?

I think I've read in NT that Dr. Price had discovered

that people who ate more calories were the healthiest.

How can this be reconciled with expreriments showing

that caloric restriction expands life span? I want to

be healthy and live long.

Roman

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[Guest guest]

Yes. I remember that calorically restricted rats were

more active... and aggressive. It's hard to say,

though, if they enjoyed life more. I don't enjoy life

when angry.

Roman

--- Deanna Buck <dbuck@...> wrote:

> but did the same study also measure quality of life?

>

> i've heard about such studies, but are not familiar

> with the specifics. for

> example, if the study was conducted in animals (and

> i think one has been),

> were there any tissue examinations? behavioral

> outcomes?

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Roman " <r_rom@...>

> < >

> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:56 PM

> Subject: Is eating more calories

> or less better?

>

>

> I think I've read in NT that Dr. Price had

> discovered

> that people who ate more calories were the

> healthiest.

> How can this be reconciled with expreriments showing

> that caloric restriction expands life span? I want

> to

> be healthy and live long.

>

> Roman

>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting idea... that anger might result from restricting calories. I

tend to get short-tempered and maybe more aggressive when I eat lots of

meat but I haven't gotten angry from not eating. What types of emotions do

list members have when not eating or eating lightly or when eating

different types of foods?

Thx.

-=mark=-

At 12:52 PM 1/17/02 -0800, you wrote:

>Yes. I remember that calorically restricted rats were

>more active... and aggressive. It's hard to say,

>though, if they enjoyed life more. I don't enjoy life

>when angry.

>

>Roman

[Guest guest]

> I think I've read in NT that Dr. Price had discovered

> that people who ate more calories were the healthiest.

> How can this be reconciled with expreriments showing

> that caloric restriction expands life span? I want to

> be healthy and live long.

Hi Roman:

Laboratory experiments are conducted on malnourished animals. The

animals are malnourished because they are fed by human beings and

they have no say in their ration. Their ration would always include

enough " go " food (carbohydrates), but never enough " grow " foods (like

quality proteins). Animals overeat when they don't get enough " grow "

food. That's how you fatten cows, just feed them corn. Their " hidden

hunger " for the missing quality (not quantity) protein will keep them

eating and they will just get fat in order to bring the farmer more

money. Since no animal chooses to be fattened, it is easy to see that

the increased weight may lead to additional health problems. So

restricting the calorie intake won't make the animals healthy, but it

may lead to fewer health problems and a longer life. What one might

want to compare is the life expectancy of a well nourished animal

compared to the laboratory animal on the calorie restricted diet.

I wouldn't want to base much or anything that I do on feeding

experiments that fail to take into account the pedological origin of

the food.

Chi

[Guest guest]

My wife and I both used to get highly irritable if we went too long

without eating. Most people I know still do get irritable if they

skip a meal or wait too long before eating. Since my wife and I

switched to my personal blend of partly paleo-diet mostly Nourishing

Traditions, we can go much much longer without hitting that point

(basically a hypo-glycemic low). We haven't tried going all day

without eating yet, and I'm pretty sure that it would take at least

that long now that we're eating this way.

Kroyer

> >Yes. I remember that calorically restricted rats were

> >more active... and aggressive. It's hard to say,

> >though, if they enjoyed life more. I don't enjoy life

> >when angry.

> >

> >Roman

[Guest guest]

These studies reporting longer life span are somewhat fraudulent. We will

comment on them in a future issue of Wise Traditions. Or course it the excess

calories are from refined foods, then they will shorten lifespan. sally