Re: spirochetes as floaters in the eye

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You are aware, I am sure, that floaters in the eye are a symptom of a

detached retina, which can cause blindness. A friend of mine had the

floaters, got her eyes checked and had surgery to re-attach the retina

before it detached completely and avoided blindness.

Windsor wrote:

>

> Dear All

> Sometime back, on one of the lists I subscribe to, there was a note

> about visualisation of spirochetes as floaters in the fluid in ones eyes.

> I have been unsuccessful in finding the post but hope that someone

> reading may have further info.

> I am aware that red blood cells contribute to floaters after a bleed

> or injury to the eye. What I am unsure of is the absolute physical

> conditions in which these are seen as red cells, circular in outline

> and discoid in shape. To my mind, there must be some point where these

> floaters are imaged accurately on the retina. If blood cells are

> imaged, then so might be spirochetes.

> If spirochetes are visualised, surely this would be a marker for

> significant infection or flare.

> Any comment gratefully received.

> Regards

> R

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I have a few tips on how to see floaters in your own eyes. Not everyone will find this useful, but It helps me see floaters.

1 Relax in a darken room, facing a window, not to bright, shaded widow is best.

2 Almost close both eyes, just a slit left, turn your mind to just one eye, and try to focus in on your own eye lid.

From: Windsor <rwindsor@...>Subject: [infections] spirochetes as floaters in the eye" Windsor" <rwindsor@...>Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 5:02 AM

Dear All

Sometime back, on one of the lists I subscribe to, there was a note about visualisation of spirochetes as floaters in the fluid in ones eyes.

I have been unsuccessful in finding the post but hope that someone reading may have further info.

I am aware that red blood cells contribute to floaters after a bleed or injury to the eye. What I am unsure of is the absolute physical conditions in which these are seen as red cells, circular in outline and discoid in shape. To my mind, there must be some point where these floaters are imaged accurately on the retina. If blood cells are imaged, then so might be spirochetes.

If spirochetes are visualised, surely this would be a marker for significant infection or flare.

Any comment gratefully received.

Regards

R

[Guest guest]

I see my floaters and have wondered about drawing them as a way to try

to identify the infections.

I wonder where to send the drawing to ID them

they are kind of skinny and thread like wiht head???

amy

[Guest guest]

Dear Amy

I'm in the middle of a discussion with my opto regarding floaters, at this stage it may be that a significant number of visualised objects may be on the outside of the cornea as either infections or commensals. It is inconceivable that anything smaller than very large cell aggregations such as blood clots, or pieces of retina could be resolved as the size of blood cells, bacteria (including spirochaetes) is in the same size range as the rods and cones. Pixilation comes into play here where a single organism at best, can only activate a single visual receptor.

I have no explanation for some of the things I see as floaters, discoid bodies looking for all the world, like red blood cells, half spirals (nothing like spirochaetes ) which may be likened to a red blood cell that has been evacuated and partially collapsed and so on.

Regards

R

[infections] Re: spirochetes as floaters in the eye

I see my floaters and have wondered about drawing them as a way to tryto identify the infections.I wonder where to send the drawing to ID themthey are kind of skinny and thread like wiht head???amy

[Guest guest]

:

You can under the right circumstances see what's *imaged* on the

retina... ever do that experiment in Physics class with the pen flash

light to image the retina's blood vessels? Or to see your blind

spot?

You can also see retina tears (I have one).

I could (under the right circumstances) image what was *in* my

vitreous humor by using a powerfull microscope and a piece of silicon

(as in silicon wafer in making computer chips)by reflecting the

light thru the scope onto the shiney silicon and back into my eye ..

and I could see the (immune) cells that infiltrated my vitreous when

I had Posterior and Anterior Uveitis when Late Stage Lyme was at it's

worst.. I could estimate the rate of inflammtion in my eyes better

than my $250.00/hr prestigous Opthamologist and his slit test. I

estimated the cells to be about a half micron diameter.

I could not see any of these without the aid of the reflected light

microscope..

So I agree with you- what people see - are either floaters, or gaps

in the vitreous- or tears on the retina..

All that being said.. I do not think the squigglies seen (imaged

by lookinf at thew sky or a white wall) are the actual spirochetes

themselves.. they just wouldn't likely go into the vitrous.. more

likely- they're burrowed into the eye muscles- causing PAIN when

using the muscles to look up/down/left and right.. giving you dry

eye, red eye and inflammation... and wanting to eventually make you

blind..

To give you a good idea at the units of measure here.. a red blood

cell is about 7 microns in diameter - and can be seen with a good

microscope.

A lyme spirochete is about 10 to 20 microns long but it's only about

250 NANOMETERS wide.... so it has to be stained to be seen even under

a microscope..

Barb

>

> Dear Amy

> I'm in the middle of a discussion with my opto regarding floaters,

at this stage it may be that a significant number of visualised

objects may be on the outside of the cornea as either infections or

commensals. It is inconceivable that anything smaller than very large

cell aggregations such as blood clots, or pieces of retina could be

resolved as the size of blood cells, bacteria (including

spirochaetes) is in the same size range as the rods and cones.

Pixilation comes into play here where a single organism at best, can

only activate a single visual receptor.

> I have no explanation for some of the things I see as floaters,

discoid bodies looking for all the world, like red blood cells, half

spirals (nothing like spirochaetes ) which may be likened to a red

blood cell that has been evacuated and partially collapsed and so on.

> Regards

> R

> [infections] Re: spirochetes as floaters in

the eye

>

>

> I see my floaters and have wondered about drawing them as a way to

try

> to identify the infections.

>

> I wonder where to send the drawing to ID them

>

> they are kind of skinny and thread like wiht head???

>

> amy

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Barb

Having just had a comprehensive eye exam, I concur. The use of a reflective surface enables a clear image of retinal veins etc. Spirochaetes are unresolvable.

R

[infections] Re: spirochetes as floaters in the eye> > > I see my floaters and have wondered about drawing them as a way to try> to identify the infections.> > I wonder where to send the drawing to ID them> > they are kind of skinny and thread like wiht head???> > amy>

[Guest guest]

:

It's great we argee!

And here's hoping my eyes stay clear of infection...I'm 6 years

now post Lyme therapy and my last Opthal. exam was (still) excellent.

I try not to think about Lyme recurring - and will just deal

with it when it does.

Barb

> >

> > Dear Amy

> > I'm in the middle of a discussion with my opto regarding

floaters,

> at this stage it may be that a significant number of visualised

> objects may be on the outside of the cornea as either infections or

> commensals. It is inconceivable that anything smaller than very

large

> cell aggregations such as blood clots, or pieces of retina could be

> resolved as the size of blood cells, bacteria (including

> spirochaetes) is in the same size range as the rods and cones.

> Pixilation comes into play here where a single organism at best,

can

> only activate a single visual receptor.

> > I have no explanation for some of the things I see as floaters,

> discoid bodies looking for all the world, like red blood cells,

half

> spirals (nothing like spirochaetes ) which may be likened to a red

> blood cell that has been evacuated and partially collapsed and so

on.

> > Regards

> > R

> > [infections] Re: spirochetes as floaters

in

> the eye

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> >

> > I see my floaters and have wondered about drawing them as a way

to

> try

> > to identify the infections.

> >

> > I wonder where to send the drawing to ID them

> >

> > they are kind of skinny and thread like wiht head???

> >

> > amy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Barb

Two weeks into Taurine at around a gram a day and I have apparently lost the bright flashes that prompted the visit to the Opto. I will be interested to see how the persistent after-images have fared. Won't really know until I attempt to use my welder. LOL

R

[infections] Re: spirochetes as floaters in > the eye> > > > > > I see my floaters and have wondered about drawing them as a way to > try> > to identify the infections.> > > > I wonder where to send the drawing to ID them> > > > they are kind of skinny and thread like wiht head???> > > > amy> >>