Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 HI paulIm also doing well on the brewers yeast, I've been on it for about 5 weeks now, and seen a noticeable improvement. The dreaded attacks have seemed to have ceased!the colon is getting better with them too.Im only taking about 4 a day at the moment, not the 10 or so suggested.anyway good to hear your doing so well.sOn 6 Feb 2008, at 17:06, Jaep wrote:Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is relatively well ,I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. I’m nowsymptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on antibioticsnow no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed antibiotics.Not bad considering I’m coming up to 60 years of age and diabetic ...Ifound brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks ago Icontracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection succumbing to myimmune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the coldhad run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet this timebut my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are well andtruly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting readingInfectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction insystemic lupus erythematosus patientsPMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process]PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/200820:57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Guys, can you drink heaps of beer instead of taking the brewers yeast.. > > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is relatively > > well , > > I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. > > I'm now > > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on > > antibiotics > > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed > > antibiotics > > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and > > diabetic ...I > > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks ago I > > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection > > succumbing to my > > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the > > cold > > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet > > this time > > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are > > well and > > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction in > > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: > > 05/02/2008 > > 20:57 > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 My doc gave me a big bucket of the brewers yeast he got from that agricultural company. I still haven't taken it. Guess maybe I should add it in. I've also got to get back on the Arginaid for the nitric oxide situation (the new flavor I got tastes ghastly and I've been "forgetting" to take it. I should just reorder the orange flavor). Oh, and in addition to the brewers yeast, my doc wants me to do the "oil pulling" which I actually think might have merit. I tried to convince him that coconut oil should work as well as sesame oil, but he won't buy it and made me promise to try it. Just too many things at once. One thing I've learned from vast experience, it's best to add only one thing at a time and make sure you know whether it's really working or not. penny Agentbleu <colourbleu@...> wrote: HI paul Im also doing well on the brewers yeast, I've been on it for about 5 weeks now, and seen a noticeable improvement. The dreaded attacks have seemed to have ceased! the colon is getting better with them too. Im only taking about 4 a day at the moment, not the 10 or so suggested. anyway good to hear your doing so well. s On 6 Feb 2008, at 17:06, Jaep wrote: Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is relatively well ,I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. I’m nowsymptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on antibioticsnow no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed antibiotics.Not bad considering I’m coming up to 60 years of age and diabetic ...Ifound brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks ago Icontracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection succumbing to myimmune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the coldhad run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet this timebut my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are well andtruly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting readingInfectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction insystemic lupus erythematosus patientsPMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process]PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/200820:57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 YOu know, it's kind of an interesting question. My husband used to make really good beer, back when I could still drink alcohol, but I had serious problems with his beer bothering my stomach, so I couldn't drink it. He thought it was the high yeast content. So I wonder why it would be bothersome in that case rather than beneficial? penny > > > > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is > relatively > > > well , > > > I thought I would report my progress which is quite > spectacular.. > > > I'm now > > > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on > > > antibiotics > > > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed > > > antibiotics > > > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and > > > diabetic ...I > > > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks > ago I > > > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection > > > succumbing to my > > > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when > the > > > cold > > > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return > yet > > > this time > > > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers > are > > > well and > > > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > > > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune > destruction in > > > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > > > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > > > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release > Date: > > > 05/02/2008 > > > 20:57 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Penny' Just a thought-You've started getting the environment angle right- Getting drugs that keep the infection numbers going down is a huge part of the puzzle, which by the way is also a difficult juggling act, as you've experienced ... so you also need to cover other angles and another important one is you need to also watch what you eat,'basically as far as inflammation feeding food groups go'. LActose(milk)...gluten(bread) is a good place to start any experimenting IMO... > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is relatively well , > I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. I'm now > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on antibiotics > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed antibiotics > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and diabetic ...I > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks ago I > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection succumbing to my > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the cold > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet this time > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are well and > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction in > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 > 20:57 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Penny I've alway's said this is a full time ilness, that needs all bases covered. early on in the disease nystatin and eating anti candida was a huge winner as far as feeling great goes. You then learn that certain environments are guaranteed to make you feel unwell- so covering that or controlling it could be a success... I also think wether diagnosed gluten or lactose intolerant or not, avoiding white flour and white sugar, and some food groups are a healthy anti inflammation idea, and this is for most of the population not just us.. So getting a good range of alternating drugs to see your infection constantly reducing, controlling your environment, and eating anti inflammationary are the most important aspects. The next challenge is to obviously get the toxins out of your body once they are deposited. I tend to look at botox and it's 3 month's to work itself out of your body as an honest guide to what our challenge may be with this. > > > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is > relatively well , > > I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. > I'm now > > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on > antibiotics > > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed > antibiotics > > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and > diabetic ...I > > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks > ago I > > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection > succumbing to my > > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the > cold > > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet > this time > > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are > well and > > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction > in > > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: > 05/02/2008 > > 20:57 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Penny I'm not sure lactose encourages any growth, I just think many people (regular folk) get very phlemy. Phlemy to us is biofilm and escal;ating ilness in many cases.. so providing the fuel for biofilm is a must avoid according to some group out of florida that ate anti biofilm to control there fibromyalgia pain. I can't re,member how to get in contact, it goes back a while, but they did have some good scientific stuff to offer... > > > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is > relatively well , > > I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. > I'm now > > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on > antibiotics > > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed > antibiotics > > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and > diabetic ...I > > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks > ago I > > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection > succumbing to my > > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the > cold > > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet > this time > > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are > well and > > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction > in > > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: > 05/02/2008 > > 20:57 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 , This is wonderful news. Strangely I am thinking I may have a similar experience to report - too soon to tell. I got very sick about 3 weeks ago with the worst cold I can ever remember. I actually ran a fever for 5 days. Now I am slowly recovering with a mild sinus infection which is getting better. I'm one of those cfs patients who virtually never gets a virus, so I will be watching to see if I recover after this. I will keep posting in a week or so. a Carnes > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is relatively well , > I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. I'm now > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on antibiotics > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed antibiotics > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and diabetic ...I > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks ago I > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection succumbing to my > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when the cold > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet this time > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are well and > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction in > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 > 20:57 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hi, . I, too, am very happy to hear your good news. I think it would be interesting to try to understand why brewer's yeast was so beneficial to you. As well as containing many other essential nutrients, I note that Brewer's yeast is one of the richest sources of folic acid. As you may know, I have advanced a hypothesis for the pathogenesis of CFS that has as its key element a partial block of the enzyme methionine synthase, at the junction of the methylation and folate cycles in the biochemistry of all cells. This is described in the files section of this group's website. Methionine synthase uses a form of folate (5-methyl tetrahydrofolate) as a reactant to supply a methyl group for the conversion of homocysteine to methionine, completing the methylation cycle. It also requires an active form of vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin) as a cofactor. Brewer's yeast does not contain much B12. I want to suggest that perhaps you had adequate stores of B12, but were low in folate, and the Brewer's yeast supplied this, restoring the normal operation of your methylation cycle and your folate cycle. These are very important for the operation of the immune system in combating infections, because folate is necessary to make new DNA and RNA for the building of new white cells (both neutrophils and lymphocytes), and glutathione (which is downstream of the methylation cycle) is essential for the operation of cell-mediated immunity as well as for keeping herpes family viruses and intracellular bacteria in their latent states. Glutathione is also necessary for the production of perforin by natural killer cells and CD8 T cells. Perforin has been shown to be deficient in these cells in CFS, and I think it is likely that it accounts for their observed low cytotoxic activity in CFS. So I suggest that you were able to lift the partial block at methionine synthase by the application of large amounts of folic acid. I might also say that it is unusual in my experience so far that folic acid will do this job. Most PWCs seem to need to use active forms of folate (folinic acid and/or FolaPro, aka Metfolin), apparently because they have genetic polymorphisms in one or more of the enzymes in the pathway from folic acid to 5-methyl tetrahydrofolate. Most also need to take high doesages of active forms of B12 (hydroxocobalamin or methylcobalamin). I should also note that for people who are low in B12, taking large doses of folic acid can present problems. The reason is that this can restore the forms of folate needed to make DNA and RNA, so that the blood cell production can be normalized, but it will not prevent the neurological problems that are associated with B12 deficiency. (Doctors conventionally diagnose B12 deficiency by looking onlyl at the number and size of red blood cells.) So it is very important to make sure that there are also adequate stores of B12. The best test for this is urine methylmalonate. The conventional blood serum B12 test can be deceiving in CFS, because it does not indicate whether the B12 is being converted into its active forms or not. Quite a few PWCs seem to show normal or even high blood serum B12 levels, but they are not able to convert it to the two bioactive forms of B12, and thus have both a methylation cycle block and a buildup of methylmalonate. Methylmalonate is included in urine organic acids test, such as the Metabolic Analysis Profile offered by Genova Diagnostics. This profile also includes Figlu, which gives an indication of tetrahydrofolate levels. Many PWCs show elevations in both methylmalonate and figlu, and that is a strong indication of a partial block at methionine synthase. Anyway, I'm very happy that this worked for you. If you want to read more about the treatment approach I've described, you can do so in the files section of this groups website, where I have just posted the most recent update on it, dated July 18, 2007. There are now several hundred PWCs on this type of treatment, and most are reporting continuiing improvement. Best wishes for continued good health! Rich > > , > This is wonderful news. Strangely I am thinking I may have a similar > experience to report - too soon to tell. I got very sick about 3 > weeks ago with the worst cold I can ever remember. I actually ran a > fever for 5 days. Now I am slowly recovering with a mild sinus > infection which is getting better. I'm one of those cfs patients who > virtually never gets a virus, so I will be watching to see if I > recover after this. I will keep posting in a week or so. > > a Carnes > > > > > Hello and thanks for the info Penny , I hope everyone is > relatively well , > > I thought I would report my progress which is quite spectacular.. > I'm now > > symptom free . For seven years I have been utterly dependent on > antibiotics > > now no antibiotics needed ..its eight weeks since I last needed > antibiotics > > .Not bad considering I'm coming up to 60 years of age and > diabetic ...I > > found brewers yeast gave me a tremendous boost , but eight weeks > ago I > > contracted a cold , I could sense my underlying infection > succumbing to my > > immune response to my cold, its happened before but always when > the cold > > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .They may return yet > this time > > but my sense of wellbeing is real and ongoing , so my fingers are > well and > > truly crossed .. Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction > in > > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: > 05/02/2008 > > 20:57 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 " Jaep " <paj8@...> wrote: I could sense my underlying infection succumbing to my > immune response to my cold, its happened before > but always when the cold > had run its course my lyme symptoms returned .... > Couple of extracts that make interesting reading > Infectious disease may ameliorate an ongoing autoimmune destruction in > systemic lupus erythematosus patients > PMID: 18158235 [PubMed - in process] > PMID: 16278064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] That an acute will overlay and temporarily displace symptoms of a chronic illness is well known to classical homeopathy since the early-mid 1800s. Carol willis_protocols [see also my Links>Homeopathy folder] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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