Re: detox pathway and my own problems

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

First question : do you have any amalgam (silver colored mercury)

fillings? This could be a contributor as well as your environmental

exposures in the past.

Have you considered herbals and natural detox, versus chelation

therapy?

I came down with acute mercury toxicity 3 years ago, due to the

amalgams, and indulging in too much fish, in my own ignorance.

I did not want to do chelation therapy, as the long term effects can

be pretty significant. So, I did herbals, and various

vitamin/substrates, and had much success.

Today, like you, I still have some lingering health problems, but the

toxocity has much improved, as the acute symptoms seemed to have

dissipated.

If you haven't tried the holistic route, then I strongly suggest

exploring the option. Let me know if you would like the info, and I

will post it for you.

~Jimmy

>

>

>

> I believe strongly that I have a detox pathway problem leading to

why I get

> so sick when any chelation is done/ As a child, I grew up directly

next

> door and down the river about 200 feet from a mercury mine. You can

google

> the Gambonini mine, Tomales for more information. I had moved from

that area

> 8 years before the Superfund came in to do the cleanup.

>

>

>

> I don't know if that is the reason I have very high mercury levels

despite

> numerous attempts by doctors, naturopaths and myself to go through

> comprehensive detox programs or whether it is due to a fungal

situation. As

> I became very ill, I also became very chemically sensitive (MCS) to

a wide

> variety of products in the home and office and sensitive to many

different

> types of foods. I am now severely underweight (lost 160 lbs since

1994 and

> now at 101. A normal good weight would be about 130 per my doc. I

am looking

> for some help and what my status might be because of these

experiences. I am

> allergic to many medications, primarily involving severe

anaphylaxis to

> antibx including pcn, sulfa, cipro, levaquin, tetracycline,

erthyomycin, and

> other meds including raglan, steroid induced psychosis,asprin,

NSAIDs, etc.

> I am also severely allergic or sensitive to a wide range of foods

that

> result in asthma, throat swelling, severe apthous ulcers and

swelling in

> mouth, throat, and stomach including foods like dairy (except

goat), wheat;

> any type of gluten, buckwheat, millet and a variety of cleaning

products.

>

>

>

> From a medical point of view, in the past 5 years, my health has

worsened

> substantially and I had to end a lucrative career in marketing and

business

> development for Cisco at age 46 due to my illness. Diseases that I

have been

> diagnosed by my doctor include multiple sclerosis, lupus,

inflammatory

> arthritis, osteoarthritis, osteperosis, asthma, COPD etc. I have not

> responded to traditional medical treatment for these named diseases

and/or

> there are contraindications in prescribing one med because I have

already

> been diagnosed with another disease.

>

>

>

> The biggest issue that is apparent is that my detox pathways are

screwed up

> and do not work properly. Even the most basic detox methods do not

work for

> me and result in hospital admissions often to ICU. Most doctors run

when

> they see me or just shake their head. Medicare is particularly good

at this

> and hospitals in the United States do a poor job of managing the

care of the

> chronically ill like me.

>

>

>

> I look forward to your response.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I really don't know what to say specifically about dealing with all these issues. It's definitely a shame that you've had to suffer so much and aren't getting better care. Maybe someone else here will have some ideas.

I do know that mercury doesn't normally stay in your system more than several years, although who knows in your case living right on top of it like that? I used to play with mercury as a child (really dumb teacher allowed it, and it WAS definitely fun) so I was really worried later on about that and whether it was an issue in my own health troubles. I was happy to learn that it should not be an issue so many years later. Whether constant proximity like you experienced could load you up more than normal and somehow get embedded in your tissues or actually damage your ability to detox, is another story. Or is it possible that all that mercury damaged your immune system? Have any of your docs suggested immunological testing? Or has there been any effort to ascertain if your P450 pathways (detox pathways) have been damaged?

penny

From: Levitt knightshotter@...

Subject: [infections] detox pathway and my own problemsinfections Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:44 PM

I believe strongly that I have a detox pathway problem leading to why I get so sick when any chelation is done/ As a child, I grew up directly next door and down the river about 200 feet from a mercury mine. You can google the Gambonini mine, Tomales for more information. I had moved from that area 8 years before the Superfund came in to do the cleanup.

I don¢t know if that is the reason I have very high mercury levels despite numerous attempts by doctors, naturopaths and myself to go through comprehensive detox programs or whether it is due to a fungal situation. As I became very ill, I also became very chemically sensitive (MCS) to a wide variety of products in the home and office and sensitive to many different types of foods. I am now severely underweight (lost 160 lbs since 1994 and now at 101. A normal good weight would be about 130 per my doc. I am looking for some help and what my status might be because of these experiences. I am allergic to many medications, primarily involving severe anaphylaxis to antibx including pcn, sulfa, cipro, levaquin, tetracycline, erthyomycin, and other meds including raglan, steroid induced psychosis,asprin, NSAIDs, etc. I am also severely allergic or sensitive to a wide range of

foods that result in asthma, throat swelling, severe apthous ulcers and swelling in mouth, throat, and stomach including foods like dairy (except goat), wheat; any type of gluten, buckwheat, millet and a variety of cleaning products.

From a medical point of view, in the past 5 years, my health has worsened substantially and I had to end a lucrative career in marketing and business development for Cisco at age 46 due to my illness. Diseases that I have been diagnosed by my doctor include multiple sclerosis, lupus, inflammatory arthritis, osteoarthritis, osteperosis, asthma, COPD etc. I have not responded to traditional medical treatment for these named diseases and/or there are contraindications in prescribing one med because I have already been diagnosed with another disease.

The biggest issue that is apparent is that my detox pathways are screwed up and do not work properly. Even the most basic detox methods do not work for me and result in hospital admissions often to ICU. Most doctors run when they see me or just shake their head. Medicare is particularly good at this and hospitals in the United States do a poor job of managing the care of the chronically ill like me.

I look forward to your response.

[Guest guest]

I think Jimmy's probably right. My own doc, who's really big on alternative therapies, did not want me to do the hard core chelation. Becuase of the state of my health, he thought milder forms of detox were necessary.

penny

From: jcarlozzi <jcarlozzi@...>Subject: [infections] Re: detox pathway and my own problemsinfections Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:33 PM

Hi there,First question : do you have any amalgam (silver colored mercury) fillings? This could be a contributor as well as your environmental exposures in the past.Have you considered herbals and natural detox, versus chelation therapy? I came down with acute mercury toxicity 3 years ago, due to the amalgams, and indulging in too much fish, in my own ignorance.I did not want to do chelation therapy, as the long term effects can be pretty significant. So, I did herbals, and various vitamin/substrates, and had much success.Today, like you, I still have some lingering health problems, but the toxocity has much improved, as the acute symptoms seemed to have dissipated.If you haven't tried the holistic route, then I strongly suggest exploring the option. Let me know if you would like the info, and I will post it for you.~Jimmy>> > > I believe strongly that I have a detox pathway problem leading to why I get> so sick when any chelation is done/ As a child, I grew up directly next> door and down the river about 200 feet from a mercury mine. You can google> the Gambonini mine, Tomales for more information. I had moved from that area> 8 years before the Superfund came in to do the cleanup.> > > > I don't know if that is the reason I have very high mercury levels despite> numerous attempts by doctors, naturopaths and myself to go through> comprehensive detox programs or whether it is due to a fungal situation. As> I became very ill, I also became very chemically

sensitive (MCS) to a wide> variety of products in the home and office and sensitive to many different> types of foods. I am now severely underweight (lost 160 lbs since 1994 and> now at 101. A normal good weight would be about 130 per my doc. I am looking> for some help and what my status might be because of these experiences. I am> allergic to many medications, primarily involving severe anaphylaxis to> antibx including pcn, sulfa, cipro, levaquin, tetracycline, erthyomycin, and> other meds including raglan, steroid induced psychosis,asprin, NSAIDs, etc.> I am also severely allergic or sensitive to a wide range of foods that> result in asthma, throat swelling, severe apthous ulcers and swelling in> mouth, throat, and stomach including foods like dairy (except goat), wheat;> any type of gluten, buckwheat, millet and a variety of

cleaning products.> > > > From a medical point of view, in the past 5 years, my health has worsened> substantially and I had to end a lucrative career in marketing and business> development for Cisco at age 46 due to my illness. Diseases that I have been> diagnosed by my doctor include multiple sclerosis, lupus, inflammatory> arthritis, osteoarthritis, osteperosis, asthma, COPD etc. I have not> responded to traditional medical treatment for these named diseases and/or> there are contraindications in prescribing one med because I have already> been diagnosed with another disease.> > > > The biggest issue that is apparent is that my detox pathways are screwed up> and do not work properly. Even the most basic detox methods do not work for> me and result in hospital admissions often to ICU. Most doctors

run when> they see me or just shake their head. Medicare is particularly good at this> and hospitals in the United States do a poor job of managing the care of the> chronically ill like me. > > > > I look forward to your response.>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,.I’m sorry

to hear of your predicament, I would agree that your basic problem is

infection

induced inflammation and your inability to metabolise toxins /metals.

I have explained in my site that it’s clear that

we

need normal gut flora to metabolise metals. Data is scarce but with the

limited

mouse studies carried out this was the conclusion ..

It’s interesting that

you can tolerate goats milk, I believe that raw goats milk is an

essential part

of therapy , we interact with the very special microbes in the milk

...we acquire

immunity from the milk.

http://www.rowantreegoats.co.uk/nutrition.htm

Drinking the milk alone will not bring about a

cure but its

worth considering sterilising the gut with appropriate antibiotics and

repopulating gut flora using raw goats milk. You may want to consider

faecal bacteriotherapy

the same mechanism is at work with that ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

I don’t think you or any will find a cure with

antibiotics

alone , ARB’s are an essential part of therapy as is restoring normal

gut flora

..

If you contact me off line I’ll give you my tel

number …

Levitt wrote:

I believe strongly that I have a

detox

pathway problem leading to why I get so sick when any chelation is

done/ As

a child, I grew up directly

next door

and down the river about 200 feet from a mercury mine. You can google the Gambonini

mine, Tomales

for more information. I had moved from that area 8 years before the

Superfund

came in to do the cleanup.

I don’t know if that is the reason I have

very high mercury

levels despite numerous attempts by doctors, naturopaths and myself to

go

through comprehensive detox programs or whether it is due to a fungal

situation. As I became very ill, I also became very chemically

sensitive (MCS)

to a wide variety of products in the home and office and sensitive to

many

different types of foods. I am now severely underweight (lost 160 lbs

since

1994 and now at 101. A normal good weight would be about 130 per my

doc. I am

looking for some help and what my status might be because of these

experiences.

I am allergic to many medications, primarily involving severe

anaphylaxis to

antibx including pcn, sulfa, cipro, levaquin, tetracycline,

erthyomycin, and

other meds including raglan, steroid induced psychosis,asprin, NSAIDs,

etc. I

am also severely allergic or sensitive to a wide range of foods that

result in

asthma, throat swelling, severe apthous ulcers and swelling in mouth,

throat,

and stomach including foods like dairy (except goat), wheat; any type

of

gluten, buckwheat, millet and a variety of cleaning products.

From a medical point of view, in the past 5

years, my health has

worsened substantially and I had to end a lucrative career in marketing

and

business development for Cisco at age 46 due to my illness. Diseases

that I

have been diagnosed by my doctor include multiple sclerosis, lupus,

inflammatory arthritis, osteoarthritis, osteperosis, asthma, COPD etc.

I have

not responded to traditional medical treatment for these named diseases

and/or

there are contraindications in prescribing one med because I have

already been

diagnosed with another disease.

The biggest issue that is apparent is that my

detox pathways are

screwed up and do not work properly. Even the most basic detox methods

do not

work for me and result in hospital admissions often to ICU. Most

doctors run

when they see me or just shake their head. Medicare is particularly

good at

this and hospitals in the United States do a

poor job of managing the care of

the chronically ill like me.

I look forward to your response.

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[Guest guest]

,

Something else to ask : Have you checked your liver function lately?

It's all intertwined. Liver function can diminish with heavy metal

toxicity, which can further impair your ability to metabolise the

mercury. Actually, a large part of the holistic detox treatment is to

improve liver function. Also, you can have a heavy metal tox screen

done, which will show how much free floating mercury is currently in

your body. Unfortunately, it will not show what mercury is still

sequestered in organs and tissue, but it will give you an idea of how

toxic your levels are at the moment.

~Jimmy

-- In infections , Penny Houle

<pennyhoule@...> wrote:

>

> I think Jimmy's probably right. My own doc, who's really big on

alternative therapies, did not want me to do the hard core chelation.

Becuase of the state of my health, he thought milder forms of detox

were necessary.

>

> penny

>

>

>

> From: jcarlozzi <jcarlozzi@...>

> Subject: [infections] Re: detox pathway and my own

problems

> infections

> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:33 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi there,

>

> First question : do you have any amalgam (silver colored mercury)

> fillings? This could be a contributor as well as your environmental

> exposures in the past.

>

> Have you considered herbals and natural detox, versus chelation

> therapy?

>

> I came down with acute mercury toxicity 3 years ago, due to the

> amalgams, and indulging in too much fish, in my own ignorance.

>

> I did not want to do chelation therapy, as the long term effects

can

> be pretty significant. So, I did herbals, and various

> vitamin/substrates, and had much success.

>

> Today, like you, I still have some lingering health problems, but

the

> toxocity has much improved, as the acute symptoms seemed to have

> dissipated.

>

> If you haven't tried the holistic route, then I strongly suggest

> exploring the option. Let me know if you would like the info, and I

> will post it for you.

>

> ~Jimmy

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I believe strongly that I have a detox pathway problem leading to

> why I get

> > so sick when any chelation is done/ As a child, I grew up

directly

> next

> > door and down the river about 200 feet from a mercury mine. You

can

> google

> > the Gambonini mine, Tomales for more information. I had moved

from

> that area

> > 8 years before the Superfund came in to do the cleanup.

> >

> >

> >

> > I don't know if that is the reason I have very high mercury

levels

> despite

> > numerous attempts by doctors, naturopaths and myself to go through

> > comprehensive detox programs or whether it is due to a fungal

> situation. As

> > I became very ill, I also became very chemically sensitive (MCS)

to

> a wide

> > variety of products in the home and office and sensitive to many

> different

> > types of foods. I am now severely underweight (lost 160 lbs since

> 1994 and

> > now at 101. A normal good weight would be about 130 per my doc. I

> am looking

> > for some help and what my status might be because of these

> experiences. I am

> > allergic to many medications, primarily involving severe

> anaphylaxis to

> > antibx including pcn, sulfa, cipro, levaquin, tetracycline,

> erthyomycin, and

> > other meds including raglan, steroid induced psychosis,asprin,

> NSAIDs, etc.

> > I am also severely allergic or sensitive to a wide range of foods

> that

> > result in asthma, throat swelling, severe apthous ulcers and

> swelling in

> > mouth, throat, and stomach including foods like dairy (except

> goat), wheat;

> > any type of gluten, buckwheat, millet and a variety of cleaning

> products.

> >

> >

> >

> > From a medical point of view, in the past 5 years, my health has

> worsened

> > substantially and I had to end a lucrative career in marketing

and

> business

> > development for Cisco at age 46 due to my illness. Diseases that

I

> have been

> > diagnosed by my doctor include multiple sclerosis, lupus,

> inflammatory

> > arthritis, osteoarthritis, osteperosis, asthma, COPD etc. I have

not

> > responded to traditional medical treatment for these named

diseases

> and/or

> > there are contraindications in prescribing one med because I have

> already

> > been diagnosed with another disease.

> >

> >

> >

> > The biggest issue that is apparent is that my detox pathways are

> screwed up

> > and do not work properly. Even the most basic detox methods do

not

> work for

> > me and result in hospital admissions often to ICU. Most doctors

run

> when

> > they see me or just shake their head. Medicare is particularly

good

> at this

> > and hospitals in the United States do a poor job of managing the

> care of the

> > chronically ill like me.

> >

> >

> >

> > I look forward to your response.

> >

>