Re: Mercola says: Why I Don’t Recommend the [Protocol That Cannot Be Named]

[Guest guest]

I wonder if Mercola knows of

Trevor's litigous history.  At least Mercola has the resources to deal

with it ...

--Bob

sue_upstate wrote:

Hi all,

An interesting article was posted at Mercola.com yesterday:

Clearing Up Confusion on Vitamin D -- Why I Don't Recommend the

[Protocol That Cannot Be Named]l

by Dr. Mercola

Ever since I started promoting the benefits of vitamin D there has been

a small but vocal minority of advocates of what is referred to as the

["Protocol That Cannot Be Named"].

As much as I would like to ignore it due to its lack of validity, I can

no longer do so, because so many people are using this information and

at the very least, they are placing their health at great risk and in

many cases they are damaging their health...

===========================

It's a long, well-reasoned article, and the responses are very

interesting.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confusion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx

It will also be interesting to see how long Mercola leaves it on his

website.

Sue B.

[Guest guest]

I'll bet he does by now !!!

R

Re: [infections] Mercola says: Why I Don’t Recommend the [Protocol That Cannot Be Named]

I wonder if Mercola knows of Trevor's litigous history. At least Mercola has the resources to deal with it ...--Bobsue_upstate wrote:

Hi all,An interesting article was posted at Mercola.com yesterday:Clearing Up Confusion on Vitamin D -- Why I Don't Recommend the [Protocol That Cannot Be Named]lby Dr. Mercola Ever since I started promoting the benefits of vitamin D there has been a small but vocal minority of advocates of what is referred to as the ["Protocol That Cannot Be Named"]. As much as I would like to ignore it due to its lack of validity, I can no longer do so, because so many people are using this information and at the very least, they are placing their health at great risk and in many cases they are damaging their health... ===========================It's a long, well-reasoned article, and the responses are very interesting.http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confusion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspxIt will also be interesting to see how long Mercola leaves it on his website.Sue B.

[Guest guest]

Here's a forum run by a cardiologist, Dr. . He writes that he " was

inundated with questions about this so-called protocol, which amounts to little

more than the unfounded speculations of a non-physician, actually someone not

even involved in health care. "

He continues, " In all honesty, I blew the whole issue off after I read [the

protocol founder's] rants. They smack of pure quackery, though from somebody who

clearly has a command of scientific lingo. "

Then Dr. commends Vitamin D researcher Dr. Cannell for " taking the

time and effort to construct a rational response " in the latest issue of

Cannell's newsletter, which Dr. includes here:

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/marshall-protocol-and-other-fairy-tale\

s.html

An interesting discussion follows. One responder writes, " As you can see, most

of the post MPers like myself are posting as " anonymous " and not by accident.

This is because of the nature of leaving the MP is much like leaving a religious

cult. "

Sue B.

[Guest guest]

 Hi /all I

hope

you read my comment , i did say i generally agreed with the article but

its not

all rubbish on the MP, There’s no doubt that inflammation is a big

factor in

chronic infection and ARB's are so effective against that..

Anyways

, I think i may have worked out  why I have

relapsed . I have been taking statins for slightly high lipids. I did

say I would

want to be tested for co.enzyme q10 as statins deplete it ..I thought

testing at

about three or four months would be about the time scale to show

results ..but

no ..well within that period I felt so bloody tired with aching muscles

joints

.. and the symptoms of infection …On supplementing with 300 mg of co 10

per day all

symptoms have abated ..early days but maybe!!  I’ve

stopped taking statins BTW ..

 

I

e-mailed my GP and diabetic  consultant

this info on the 21 Feb

 

the

comments below i find especially relevant , Infection is associated

with high

cholesterol "There is also a growing

understanding that an inflammatory response of

the arterial intima

to injury is a crucial step in

the genesis of atherosclerosis. and that infections may be one type

of such injury"http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/96/12/927

It all adds to my findings that essential hypertension, high

cholesterol and

many more conditions are caused by stealth infections ..bugs from

within that

hide and manipulate the immune system ..

Regards ..

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/21/900-Studies-Show-Statin-Drugs-are-Dangerous.aspx

Chlolesterol does

not cause heart

disease any more than firemen cause house fires! In fact that analogy

(the

relationship between them) is appropriate, i.e., cholesterol is the

body's

firemen (or Bandaid), and cholesterol levels go up in response to the

damage

that has already occurred to the arteries as a result of oxidation, etc. 

The actual cause of Heart Disease and

arterial

damage appears to be oxidation, caused by many factors: Trans-fatty

acids,

partially hydrogenated oils (vegetable), high Iron levels, and many other

things, but elevated cholesterol and 

high dietary cholesterol intake do not cause this damage.  The cholesterol is part of the "patch" that

the body uses to repair the

damage done by other factors!

There is a lot of money at stake in the

"war

on cholesterol". If you think "Drug X may be right for you!",

think twice. The whole class of anti-cholesterol drugs (called HMG-CoA

reductase inhibitors) is dangerous to your health!

Please read TheCholesterolMyths,

by Ravnskov. He is a top expert on the subject.  

I

would be happy to blog away about this!

 

DECEMBER

19, 2008

H.

pylori infection high in metabolic syndrome patients

Am J

Gastroenterol 2008;

103: 3005–3010

·                              

PRINT THIS ARTICLE

·                              

RSS HEADLINES

MedWire

News: Helicobacter

pylori infection is

significantly associated with presence of the metabolic syndrome, show

results

from a large Japanese population study published in the American Journal of

Gastroenterology.

“Some

epidemiologic

studies report a significant link between Helicobacter

pylori infection and

certain

cardiovascular disease risk factors, suggesting that chronic

inflammation caused

by H. pylori promotes atherosclerosis and

cardiovascular disease,” explain Nobuyuki Matsuhashi, from Kanto

Medical Center

in Tokyo, Japan, and team

The researchers investigated links between H.

pylori infection and

the

metabolic syndrome in 7394 asymptomatic Japanese individuals undergoing

medical

checkups between April 2006 and March 2007.

The

metabolic syndrome

was diagnosed according to Japanese criteria, namely, visceral obesity

plus two

of high blood pressure, dyslipidemia (high triglycerides and/or low

high-density lipoprotein [HDL] cholesterol) or glucose intolerance. H. pylori infection was diagnosed by the

presence of specific antibodies measured using an enzyme linked

immunosorbent

assay.

Matsuhashi et al report that prevalence of H. pylori infection was significantly

higher in

individuals with the metabolic syndrome than in those without, at 38.6%

versus

28.0%, respectively.

In

addition, individuals

who were positive for H.

pylori infection were

39%

more likely to have the metabolic syndrome than uninfected individuals.

When

analyzing individual

components, the researchers found that H.

pylori seropositivity

was

positively associated with low HDL cholesterol, high low-density

lipoprotein

(LDL) cholesterol, and high blood pressure in the study participants.

“Our

results add to the

evidence supporting the notion that H.

pylori has a role in

promoting atherosclerosis,” conclude the authors.

“Eradication

of H. pylori might have a role in preventing

the

metabolic syndrome, particularly in the Japanese population with H. pylori infection,” they add.

 

Windsor wrote:

I'll bet he does by now !!!

R

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Subject: Re: [infections] Mercola

says: Why I Don’t Recommend the [Protocol That Cannot Be Named]

I wonder if Mercola

knows of Trevor's litigous history.  At least Mercola has the resources

to deal with it ...

--Bob

sue_upstate wrote:

Hi all,

An interesting article was posted at Mercola.com yesterday:

Clearing Up Confusion on Vitamin D -- Why I Don't Recommend the

[Protocol That Cannot Be Named]l

by Dr. Mercola

Ever since I started promoting the benefits of vitamin D there has been

a small but vocal minority of advocates of what is referred to as the

["Protocol That Cannot Be Named"].

As much as I would like to ignore it due to its lack of validity, I can

no longer do so, because so many people are using this information and

at the very least, they are placing their health at great risk and in

many cases they are damaging their health...

===========================

It's a long, well-reasoned article, and the responses are very

interesting.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confusion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx

It will also be interesting to see how long Mercola leaves it on his

website.

Sue B.

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I consantly observe the bullshit thrown up by arb's..Most doctors visits in my

opinion are because of the rediculous side effects these drugs throw up..I

recently had a friend who's father was given an arb and was suffering crippling

joint issues,(frozen shoulders) which resolved 3 days after stopping the arb.

This line of drug(arb's) are complete and utter bullshit drugs IMO..I have seen

time and time again people being made invalids from taking these so called

wonder drugs..Personally they dampened inflammation for a couple of weeks then

the benefits were all gone.. Why you'd want to introduce constant lung

infections and crippling joint pains in the hope you reduce blood pressure is

beyond me.Higher Blood pressure in a three minute doctor visit isn't a marker

that your BP is high for the rest of the week.It's basically an oppurtunity to

push something on behalf of the drug companies for something that may not even

be a real health issue.

> >

> >> Hi all,

> >>

> >> An interesting article was posted at Mercola.com yesterday:

> >>

> >> Clearing Up Confusion on Vitamin D -- Why I Don't Recommend the

> >> [Protocol That Cannot Be Named]l

> >>

> >> by Dr. Mercola

> >>

> >> Ever since I started promoting the benefits of vitamin D there has

> >> been a small but vocal minority of advocates of what is referred to

> >> as the [ " Protocol That Cannot Be Named " ].

> >>

> >> As much as I would like to ignore it due to its lack of validity, I

> >> can no longer do so, because so many people are using this

> >> information and at the very least, they are placing their health at

> >> great risk and in many cases they are damaging their health...

> >> ===========================

> >>

> >> It's a long, well-reasoned article, and the responses are very

> >> interesting.

> >>

> >>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confus\

ion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx

> >>

<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confu\

sion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx>

> >>

> >> It will also be interesting to see how long Mercola leaves it on his

> >> website.

> >>

> >> Sue B.

> >>

> >

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Tony

, amazing , you always manage to meet my expectations of you

dumbaussie2000 wrote:

I consantly observe the bullshit thrown up by arb's..Most doctors

visits in my opinion are because of the rediculous side effects these

drugs throw up..I recently had a friend who's father was given an arb

and was suffering crippling joint issues,(frozen shoulders) which

resolved 3 days after stopping the arb.

This line of drug(arb's) are complete and utter bullshit drugs IMO..I

have seen time and time again people being made invalids from taking

these so called wonder drugs..Personally they dampened inflammation for

a couple of weeks then the benefits were all gone.. Why you'd want to

introduce constant lung infections and crippling joint pains in the

hope you reduce blood pressure is beyond me.Higher Blood pressure in a

three minute doctor visit isn't a marker that your BP is high for the

rest of the week.It's basically an oppurtunity to push something on

behalf of the drug companies for something that may not even be a real

health issue.

> >

> >> Hi all,

> >>

> >> An interesting article was posted at Mercola.com

yesterday:

> >>

> >> Clearing Up Confusion on Vitamin D -- Why I Don't

Recommend the

> >> [Protocol That Cannot Be Named]l

> >>

> >> by Dr. Mercola

> >>

> >> Ever since I started promoting the benefits of vitamin D

there has

> >> been a small but vocal minority of advocates of what is

referred to

> >> as the ["Protocol That Cannot Be Named"].

> >>

> >> As much as I would like to ignore it due to its lack of

validity, I

> >> can no longer do so, because so many people are using

this

> >> information and at the very least, they are placing their

health at

> >> great risk and in many cases they are damaging their

health...

> >> ===========================

> >>

> >> It's a long, well-reasoned article, and the responses are

very

> >> interesting.

> >>

> >> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confusion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx

> >> <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confusion-on-Vitamin-D--Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx>

> >>

> >> It will also be interesting to see how long Mercola

leaves it on his

> >> website.

> >>

> >> Sue B.

> >>

> >

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