Re: olmesartan - friend or foe

April 3, 2009

Penny , I don’t know why my posts are flagged as possible spam.

What are you going on about the marshal Protocol for ..i too abandoned

that and posted my experiences about it on Mercola’s site …

But that doesn’t detract from the fact that inflammation is caused by

pathogens .The fact that simultaneously both Barry Marshal and

came the same conclusions on that speaks for itself .The science

is clear the mechanism of action is known …

The cause and effect, screwed up thigh muscles etc; you attribute to

ARB’s is complete guesswork .. Most who treat with ARB’s find them so

effective [as I did] they believe they may have an antibacterial action.

I wasn’t referring to hidden infections and die off ..most of the

symptoms of flue are actually the immune system at work..removing the

constraint of inflammation with Arb’s could have allowed your immune

system to work in a more normal way ..thats against the flue virus ..the

pathogens that are responsible for your chronic infection have their own

way of avoiding the immune system.

Our dilemma is caused not so much by the species and variety of our

pathogens and the poor performance of antibiotics but the inability of

the immune system to finish the job when antibiotics have knocked back

the infection to what should be manageable proportions

Penny Houle wrote:

>

> , for some reason your emails keep coming through as possible spam

> and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do on your end

> to fix that?

> , all I can do is share my own experience with olmesartan

> (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest people

> interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis folks). I know all

> about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about it too,

> because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I took it for

> well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall without looking at

> my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my thigh

> muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.

> That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind inflammation

> and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my infection smaller

> either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was with full

> strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.

> I also don't believe that olmesarten " potentiates " antibiotics. I

> started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx. The claim

> that the endless suffering that people experience on the protocol is

> due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else, is just

> rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's different, but

> most people with big infections should probably not be toying with

> tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.

> I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to more studies

> being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous amount of

> potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad results with

> the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go around promoting

> it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic infection or

> so called " auto-immune " diseases. I really, /really /think it's

> irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the marshall

> protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family where people

> really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only treatment option

> is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was naivete on my

> part. I had no idea that people who had negative experiences or other

> ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even taken to court.

> I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc who's facing

> disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for negligence

> in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more

> importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis of the protocol.

> In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his analyses are

> very well reasoned and supported with science.

> There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the protocol or

> omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic infection. If

> anything, it's something that people should approach very cautiously,

> and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know they are

> doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing out there

> yet that indicates it's a good long term anti-inflammatory or

> anti-microbial.

> penny

>

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April 3, 2009

Yes, I understand that my body's immune system may have been reacting more normally and that's why I got the flu. But it could also be because the immune system is TOO suppressed, as in the case of Steroids. And your explanation doesn't account for the fact that after being on the protocol for a long time, the inflammatory benefits decreased and my symptoms not only increased but new ones appeared.

I'm curious, how long have you been on the protocol again?

I'm not against olmesartan as long as it is discussed as a highly experimental drug if taken for inflation. It does worry me when I see it so highly endorsed (as you did) when I know the entire history of the protocol that brought olmesartan to the spotlight, as well as my own negative experience and that of others. Remember, 2 very close friends took it and I was privvy to a whole lot of other people suffering on it. I'm not just talking out my you-know-what. I'm speaking from experience. Olmesartan can be dangerous if taken for any purpose other than lowering blood pressure.

From my experiene, when there are this many red flags and this many people report negative effects, not just a few isolated cases here or there, there's good reason to be wary.

> >> > , for some reason your emails keep coming through as possible spam > > and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do on your end > > to fix that?> > , all I can do is share my own experience with olmesartan > > (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest people > > interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis folks). I know all > > about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about it too, > > because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I took it for > > well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall without looking at > > my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my thigh > > muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.> > That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind inflammation > > and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my infection smaller > > either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was with full > > strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.> > I also don't believe that olmesarten "potentiates" antibiotics. I > > started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx. The claim > > that the endless suffering that people experience on the protocol is > > due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else, is just > > rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's different, but > > most people with big infections should probably not be toying with > > tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.> > I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to more studies > > being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous amount of > > potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad results with > > the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go around promoting > > it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic infection or > > so called "auto-immune" diseases. I really, /really /think it's > > irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the marshall > > protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family where people > > really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only treatment option > > is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was naivete on my > > part. I had no idea that people who had negative experiences or other > > ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even taken to court.> > I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc who's facing > > disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for negligence > > in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more > > importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis of the protocol. > > In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his analyses are > > very well reasoned and supported with science.> > There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the protocol or > > omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic infection. If > > anything, it's something that people should approach very cautiously, > > and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know they are > > doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing out there > > yet that indicates it's a good long term anti-inflammatory or > > anti-microbial.> > penny> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00> >> >>

April 6, 2009

You keep quoting medical literature. Unfortunately we've all found that medical

literature more often than not is a croc of crap..If they knew the exact science

of inflammation, like they claim, no one would have any problems..This

angiotensin renin bs doesn't even come close.You have a whole holistic and many

other industries all touching and making an impact on inflammation in many

different ways.

I observe time and time again the crippling effects of this group of drugs and

have seen dramatic improvemnt in people on there discontinuation..I am talking

crippling normal folk and leaving them invalids, until they discontinue the drug

and often return to normal.

You obviosuly don't look around and bury your head in the literature..

I have an aunty that was full of life and energy and watched this drug give her

adult onset asthma, crippling arthritis, and zap 70 % of her energy and get up

and go- what would you classify that as..

Inflammation is more than is claimed, it's also an electrical energy even

capable of giving your heart many irregularities that again no one can

explain... as is obvious, your heart relies on electrical signalling to perform

at it's peak, hence improvement in older patients with fatigue with the addition

of a pacemaker..

wake up and look around, you may have gotten inflammtion relief with benicar,

but more often than not the drug builds resistance to what causes the

inflammation in many and it becaomes useless, hence the need for the

pharmaceutical companies to keep rolling out several newer and newer drugs in

this category.

> > > >

> > > > , for some reason your emails keep coming through as possible

> > spam

> > > > and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do on your end

> > > > to fix that?

> > > > , all I can do is share my own experience with olmesartan

> > > > (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest people

> > > > interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis folks). I know

> > all

> > > > about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about it too,

> > > > because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I took it for

> > > > well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall without

> > looking at

> > > > my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my thigh

> > > > muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.

> > > > That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind inflammation

> > > > and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my infection smaller

> > > > either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was with full

> > > > strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.

> > > > I also don't believe that olmesarten " potentiates " antibiotics. I

> > > > started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx. The claim

> > > > that the endless suffering that people experience on the protocol is

> > > > due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else, is just

> > > > rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's different, but

> > > > most people with big infections should probably not be toying with

> > > > tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.

> > > > I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to more studies

> > > > being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous amount of

> > > > potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad results with

> > > > the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go around

> > promoting

> > > > it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic infection or

> > > > so called " auto-immune " diseases. I really, /really /think it's

> > > > irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the marshall

> > > > protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family where

> > people

> > > > really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only treatment

> > option

> > > > is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was naivete on my

> > > > part. I had no idea that people who had negative experiences or other

> > > > ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even taken

> > to court.

> > > > I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc who's facing

> > > > disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for negligence

> > > > in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more

> > > > importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis of the

> > protocol.

> > > > In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his analyses are

> > > > very well reasoned and supported with science.

> > > > There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the protocol or

> > > > omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic infection. If

> > > > anything, it's something that people should approach very cautiously,

> > > > and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know they are

> > > > doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing out there

> > > > yet that indicates it's a good long term anti-inflammatory or

> > > > anti-microbial.

> > > > penny

> > > >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > > >

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> > >

> >

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06:19:00

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>

April 7, 2009

If the science were that clean and clear, why isn't it used and recommended in

inflammatory conditions?I've only seen the best of the best so called experts

only go with steroid type drugs..

A friends dad recently had to undergo heart surgery and they placed him in an

ice bath to tame the inflammation, would the arb not have been a good

choice..Not to mention that arb's are widely used front line drugs here for any

type of heart condition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , for some reason your emails keep coming through as

> > possible

> > > > spam

> > > > > > and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do

> > on your end

> > > > > > to fix that?

> > > > > > , all I can do is share my own experience with olmesartan

> > > > > > (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest

> > people

> > > > > > interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis

> > folks). I know

> > > > all

> > > > > > about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about

> > it too,

> > > > > > because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I

> > took it for

> > > > > > well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall without

> > > > looking at

> > > > > > my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my

> > thigh

> > > > > > muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.

> > > > > > That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind

> > inflammation

> > > > > > and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my

> > infection smaller

> > > > > > either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was

> > with full

> > > > > > strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.

> > > > > > I also don't believe that olmesarten " potentiates "

> > antibiotics. I

> > > > > > started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx.

> > The claim

> > > > > > that the endless suffering that people experience on the

> > protocol is

> > > > > > due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else, is just

> > > > > > rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's

> > different, but

> > > > > > most people with big infections should probably not be

> > toying with

> > > > > > tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.

> > > > > > I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to

> > more studies

> > > > > > being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous

> > amount of

> > > > > > potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad

> > results with

> > > > > > the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go around

> > > > promoting

> > > > > > it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic

> > infection or

> > > > > > so called " auto-immune " diseases. I really, /really /think

> > it's

> > > > > > irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the marshall

> > > > > > protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family

> > where

> > > > people

> > > > > > really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only

> > treatment

> > > > option

> > > > > > is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was

> > naivete on my

> > > > > > part. I had no idea that people who had negative

> > experiences or other

> > > > > > ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even

> > taken

> > > > to court.

> > > > > > I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc

> > who's facing

> > > > > > disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for

> > negligence

> > > > > > in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more

> > > > > > importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis of the

> > > > protocol.

> > > > > > In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his

> > analyses are

> > > > > > very well reasoned and supported with science.

> > > > > > There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the

> > protocol or

> > > > > > omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic

> > infection. If

> > > > > > anything, it's something that people should approach very

> > cautiously,

> > > > > > and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know

> > they are

> > > > > > doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing

> > out there

> > > > > > yet that indicates it's a good long term anti-inflammatory or

> > > > > > anti-microbial.

> > > > > > penny

> > > > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 -

> > Release Date:

> > > > 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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> > Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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10:54:00

> >

>

April 9, 2009

Your still in the dark yourself unfortunately..Your sort of buying that the drug

does the trick 100% of the time.This guys dad is probably already using an arb

and has this runaway inflammation.I don't really know the full details as I only

found the ice bath before heart surgery bit fascinating...

your focused on the bodies response to pathogens..I focus on the pathogens,

there needs and requirements are priority on understanding how to get your body

well.Switching them on or off far outweighs any benefit a drug that pretends to

control the landscape is going to deliver.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , for some reason your emails keep coming through as

> > > > possible

> > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do

> > > > on your end

> > > > > > > > to fix that?

> > > > > > > > , all I can do is share my own experience with olmesartan

> > > > > > > > (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest

> > > > people

> > > > > > > > interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis

> > > > folks). I know

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about

> > > > it too,

> > > > > > > > because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I

> > > > took it for

> > > > > > > > well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall without

> > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my

> > > > thigh

> > > > > > > > muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.

> > > > > > > > That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind

> > > > inflammation

> > > > > > > > and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my

> > > > infection smaller

> > > > > > > > either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was

> > > > with full

> > > > > > > > strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.

> > > > > > > > I also don't believe that olmesarten " potentiates "

> > > > antibiotics. I

> > > > > > > > started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx.

> > > > The claim

> > > > > > > > that the endless suffering that people experience on the

> > > > protocol is

> > > > > > > > due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else, is just

> > > > > > > > rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's

> > > > different, but

> > > > > > > > most people with big infections should probably not be

> > > > toying with

> > > > > > > > tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.

> > > > > > > > I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to

> > > > more studies

> > > > > > > > being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous

> > > > amount of

> > > > > > > > potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad

> > > > results with

> > > > > > > > the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go around

> > > > > > promoting

> > > > > > > > it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic

> > > > infection or

> > > > > > > > so called " auto-immune " diseases. I really, /really /think

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the marshall

> > > > > > > > protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family

> > > > where

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only

> > > > treatment

> > > > > > option

> > > > > > > > is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was

> > > > naivete on my

> > > > > > > > part. I had no idea that people who had negative

> > > > experiences or other

> > > > > > > > ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even

> > > > taken

> > > > > > to court.

> > > > > > > > I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc

> > > > who's facing

> > > > > > > > disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for

> > > > negligence

> > > > > > > > in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more

> > > > > > > > importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis of the

> > > > > > protocol.

> > > > > > > > In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his

> > > > analyses are

> > > > > > > > very well reasoned and supported with science.

> > > > > > > > There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the

> > > > protocol or

> > > > > > > > omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic

> > > > infection. If

> > > > > > > > anything, it's something that people should approach very

> > > > cautiously,

> > > > > > > > and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know

> > > > they are

> > > > > > > > doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing

> > > > out there

> > > > > > > > yet that indicates it's a good long term anti-inflammatory or

> > > > > > > > anti-microbial.

> > > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 -

> > > > Release Date:

> > > > > > 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release

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> > 04/05/09 10:54:00

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> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date: 04/05/09

10:54:00

> >

>

April 10, 2009

If bacteria use slime to evade the immune system, what can you do to bolster the

immune system?Understanding the slime and the bacteria that produce it and the

slimes ability to lay a matrix of communication between the bacteria to start

your buzzing processes/ fog process, or howeever your impacted by this

harmonious bacterial procession, is more important than actually imagining your

immune system can fix things.You can't have healthy rivers when there

stagnant..The other problem we face with this slime is that it hardens and

deposits all over your anatomy and there's no immune system going to break open

a pandora's box and fix things like your lead to believe...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , for some reason your emails keep coming through as

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do

> > > > > > on your end

> > > > > > > > > > to fix that?

> > > > > > > > > > , all I can do is share my own experience with

> > olmesartan

> > > > > > > > > > (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis

> > > > > > folks). I know

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about

> > > > > > it too,

> > > > > > > > > > because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I

> > > > > > took it for

> > > > > > > > > > well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall

> > without

> > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my

> > > > > > thigh

> > > > > > > > > > muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.

> > > > > > > > > > That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind

> > > > > > inflammation

> > > > > > > > > > and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my

> > > > > > infection smaller

> > > > > > > > > > either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was

> > > > > > with full

> > > > > > > > > > strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.

> > > > > > > > > > I also don't believe that olmesarten " potentiates "

> > > > > > antibiotics. I

> > > > > > > > > > started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx.

> > > > > > The claim

> > > > > > > > > > that the endless suffering that people experience on the

> > > > > > protocol is

> > > > > > > > > > due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else,

> > is just

> > > > > > > > > > rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's

> > > > > > different, but

> > > > > > > > > > most people with big infections should probably not be

> > > > > > toying with

> > > > > > > > > > tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.

> > > > > > > > > > I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to

> > > > > > more studies

> > > > > > > > > > being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous

> > > > > > amount of

> > > > > > > > > > potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad

> > > > > > results with

> > > > > > > > > > the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go

> > around

> > > > > > > > promoting

> > > > > > > > > > it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic

> > > > > > infection or

> > > > > > > > > > so called " auto-immune " diseases. I really, /really /think

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the

> > marshall

> > > > > > > > > > protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only

> > > > > > treatment

> > > > > > > > option

> > > > > > > > > > is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was

> > > > > > naivete on my

> > > > > > > > > > part. I had no idea that people who had negative

> > > > > > experiences or other

> > > > > > > > > > ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even

> > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > to court.

> > > > > > > > > > I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc

> > > > > > who's facing

> > > > > > > > > > disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for

> > > > > > negligence

> > > > > > > > > > in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more

> > > > > > > > > > importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis

> > of the

> > > > > > > > protocol.

> > > > > > > > > > In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his

> > > > > > analyses are

> > > > > > > > > > very well reasoned and supported with science.

> > > > > > > > > > There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the

> > > > > > protocol or

> > > > > > > > > > omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic

> > > > > > infection. If

> > > > > > > > > > anything, it's something that people should approach very

> > > > > > cautiously,

> > > > > > > > > > and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know

> > > > > > they are

> > > > > > > > > > doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing

> > > > > > out there

> > > > > > > > > > yet that indicates it's a good long term

> > anti-inflammatory or

> > > > > > > > > > anti-microbial.

> > > > > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > --------- -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 -

> > > > > > Release Date:

> > > > > > > > 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > --------- -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release

> > > > > > Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date:

> > > > 04/05/09 10:54:00

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date:

> > 04/05/09 10:54:00

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.47/2047 - Release Date: 04/08/09

05:53:00

> >

>

April 10, 2009

now I can understand why we keep beating you in the cricket..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , for some reason your emails keep coming through as

> > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > spam

> > > > > > > > > > and I have to approve them. Is there anything you can do

> > > > > > on your end

> > > > > > > > > > to fix that?

> > > > > > > > > > , all I can do is share my own experience with

> > olmesartan

> > > > > > > > > > (benicar). Maybe you forget that I was one of the earliest

> > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > interested in this drug (other than the sarcoidosis

> > > > > > folks). I know

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > about how it's supposed to work. I was very excited about

> > > > > > it too,

> > > > > > > > > > because it seemed to relieve my inflammatory symptoms. I

> > > > > > took it for

> > > > > > > > > > well over a year, maybe closer to 2, I can't recall

> > without

> > > > > > > > looking at

> > > > > > > > > > my records. Unfortunately, in the process, I screwed up my

> > > > > > thigh

> > > > > > > > > > muscles and weakened my ability to fight viruses and flus.

> > > > > > > > > > That had nothing to do with finding bugs /hidden/ behind

> > > > > > inflammation

> > > > > > > > > > and their resulting die off. Benicar didn't make my

> > > > > > infection smaller

> > > > > > > > > > either. I believe my infection got bigger. And that was

> > > > > > with full

> > > > > > > > > > strength antibiotics and anti-fungals.

> > > > > > > > > > I also don't believe that olmesarten " potentiates "

> > > > > > antibiotics. I

> > > > > > > > > > started with the protocol as designed with low dose abx.

> > > > > > The claim

> > > > > > > > > > that the endless suffering that people experience on the

> > > > > > protocol is

> > > > > > > > > > due to bacterial die-off (herxing) and nothing else,

> > is just

> > > > > > > > > > rediculous. Die off should be short lived. Everyone's

> > > > > > different, but

> > > > > > > > > > most people with big infections should probably not be

> > > > > > toying with

> > > > > > > > > > tiny amounts of antibiotics. It just strengthens the bugs.

> > > > > > > > > > I've been saying all along that I'm looking forward to

> > > > > > more studies

> > > > > > > > > > being done on Olmesartan. It seems to have a tremendous

> > > > > > amount of

> > > > > > > > > > potential. But I know far too many people who've had bad

> > > > > > results with

> > > > > > > > > > the experimental protocol, even deadly results, to go

> > around

> > > > > > > > promoting

> > > > > > > > > > it as some kind of a wonder drug for people with chronic

> > > > > > infection or

> > > > > > > > > > so called " auto-immune " diseases. I really, /really /think

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > irresponsible and I regret ever having publicized the

> > marshall

> > > > > > > > > > protocol. It should have stayed in the Sarcoidosis family

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > > really do have excess vitamin D issues and their only

> > > > > > treatment

> > > > > > > > option

> > > > > > > > > > is steroids. Partly. my publicising the protocol was

> > > > > > naivete on my

> > > > > > > > > > part. I had no idea that people who had negative

> > > > > > experiences or other

> > > > > > > > > > ideas would be banned from posting their experiences. Even

> > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > to court.

> > > > > > > > > > I really hope you read the previous posts about the doc

> > > > > > who's facing

> > > > > > > > > > disciplinary action based on 12 patients reporting her for

> > > > > > negligence

> > > > > > > > > > in regards to prescribing the Marshall Protocol. Even more

> > > > > > > > > > importantly, I hope you read the Mark London analysis

> > of the

> > > > > > > > protocol.

> > > > > > > > > > In my experience, he's always been very thorough and his

> > > > > > analyses are

> > > > > > > > > > very well reasoned and supported with science.

> > > > > > > > > > There are way too many leaps in reasoning to promote the

> > > > > > protocol or

> > > > > > > > > > omesartan alone as a sure tool for treating chronic

> > > > > > infection. If

> > > > > > > > > > anything, it's something that people should approach very

> > > > > > cautiously,

> > > > > > > > > > and if they decide to experiment with it, they should know

> > > > > > they are

> > > > > > > > > > doing it with a great deal of risk because there's nothing

> > > > > > out there

> > > > > > > > > > yet that indicates it's a good long term

> > anti-inflammatory or

> > > > > > > > > > anti-microbial.

> > > > > > > > > > penny

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > --------- -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 -

> > > > > > Release Date:

> > > > > > > > 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > --------- -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release

> > > > > > Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date:

> > > > 04/05/09 10:54:00

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date:

> > 04/05/09 10:54:00

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.47/2047 - Release Date: 04/08/09

05:53:00

> >

>

April 10, 2009

Actually these are interesting posts.. and basically you both are saying the

same thing when you pare down the individual subjective opinions and look JUST

at the facts about the drug at high dose:

1) Effects on the body are dose dependant.

2) High dose Olmesartan works very well to dampen inflammation.

3) Caution should be used as to the length of time high dose is used.

4) At specific dosages, it can be considered immunomodulatory.(and remember, the

definition of immunomodulatory can either be suppressive or stimulating.

Barb