Re: Re: $100,000 wasted on unnecerssary mold remediation??

[Guest guest]

Ken,

I am totally convinced that some people are indeed sensitive to EMFs. I've owned a Gaussmeter for more than 12 years. When I bought it, I had attended several seminars and read most of the health studies done at that time. I never heard or read anything about respiratory symptoms -- only weak associations with (from memory) leukemia, brain cancer, male breast cancer, endocrine system (melatonin).

I have also encountered in my work a teacher in a computer classroom who became sensitized to chemicals from 25 new computers and no ventilation in the room. She developed severe respiratory problems. I'd bet that the respiratory problems described in the subject article had nothing to do with the EMFs. High temperatures will result in greater off-gassing of VOCs from wire insulation and other plastics in the electronic equipment.

Where in the health studies you referenced is there anything about EMFs or RFs causing respiratory symptoms? That health info would be very important to know about, if it exists.

Steve Temes

Steve,

You have always been known to have a quick eye and here you do notice

a good question.

May I suggest you go back to the website and review the otrher 12

papers including the WHO health standards and the catalog of known

biological/medical effects from EMF. There is also a testimonial

from a school health official you may find helpful.

Ken Gibala

>

>From the article:

>"Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to isolate

the

>problem and make any adjustments to

>alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio frequency

>electromagnetic fields were too high, so

>he installed electrical filters in every outlet.

>

>Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and the

Melrose

>school also were fitted with

>filters.

>

>Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers

began to

>report they felt much better. Even

>students were in better health, she said.

>

>Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers.

Now, only

>five children are using inhalers.

>"I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good,"

Olstad said.

>"Some people come here feeling

>bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling

good."

>

>The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since the

filters have

>been installed, yet the

>thermostat hasn't been changed."

>

>I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was

EMFs. The

>last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

dropping 20

>degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have

been VOCs from the

>electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and

headaches.

>

>Steve Temes

>

>In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>jkg4902@... writes:

>>It seems the school described below had been making teachers and

pupils

>>sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and had a

$100,000

>>cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and

solution is curious.

>>

>>

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf

>>

>> Gibala

>>Acacia Services

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Ken

Although I check EMF conditions in all of the houses I investigate, I would suggest that the ground loop that is likely contributing to the problem should have been corrected rather than use filters that sop up the 'noise' from the combination of the poor wiring and noisy equipment (schools often buy by price alone).

For years CMHC had a small research effort on EMF pollution and has several research reports on the subject.

Some of my clients have felt much better after they dealt with high EMF fields, especially in bedrooms; sometimes it is simply a matter of moving or replacing a cheap clock radio.

Jim H. White

System Science Consulting.

Re: $100,000 wasted on unnecerssary mold remediation??

Steve,You have always been known to have a quick eye and here you do notice a good question.May I suggest you go back to the website and review the otrher 12 papers including the WHO health standards and the catalog of known biological/medical effects from EMF. There is also a testimonial from a school health official you may find helpful.Ken Gibala>> From the article:> "Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to isolate the > problem and make any adjustments to> alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio frequency > electromagnetic fields were too high, so> he installed electrical filters in every outlet.> > Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and the Melrose > school also were fitted with> filters.> > Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers began to > report they felt much better. Even> students were in better health, she said.> > Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers. Now, only > five children are using inhalers.> "I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good," Olstad said. > "Some people come here feeling> bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling good."> > The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since the filters have > been installed, yet the> thermostat hasn't been changed."> > I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was EMFs. The > last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room dropping 20 > degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have been VOCs from the > electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and headaches.> > Steve Temes> > > > It seems the school described below had been making teachers and pupils > > sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and had a $100,000 > > cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and solution is curious.> > > > http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf> > > > Gibala> > Acacia Services> >>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Do you have any references on exactly what kind of electromagnetic

fields and at what kind of intensity have been shown (or even, are

suspected) to effect people?

I know from personal experience when out hiking around a year ago that

EMF in some places is very high.

Carbon fiber is used in photo tripods because its both lightweight and

strong. I am guessing that it is a resistive conductor and in a

strong alternating magnetic field it may be developing an induced

current - and then my hand is bridging the induced current in a way

that would not be feelable with either a better conductor or an

insulator.

That is my only explanation for what I felt that day.. We were near

some high tension wires, and the feelable aspect seemed to drop off

very quickly as we moved away.

That night I did some Googling and evidently these high tension wires

emit so much magnetic energy that they make flourescent light tubes

flicker.

(High level RF can do that too, especially on foggy days..)

There is an artist in England who creates art installations underneath

high tension wires with flourescent tubes. There are videos on the net

that show them, imagine grids of hundreds of flourescent tubes,

arranged sort of like gravestones in a cemetery, flickering visibly..

Its very strange, because normally, we can't (or don't want to!)

visualize this energy !

Glad I don't live or work near them!

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM, System Science Consulting

wrote:

> Ken

> Although I check EMF conditions in all of the houses I investigate, I would

> suggest that the ground loop that is likely contributing to the problem

> should have been corrected rather than use filters that sop up the 'noise'

> from the combination of the poor wiring and noisy equipment (schools often

> buy by price alone).

>

> For years CMHC had a small research effort on EMF pollution and has several

> research reports on the subject.

>

> Some of my clients have felt much better after they dealt with high EMF

> fields, especially in bedrooms; sometimes it is simply a matter of moving or

> replacing a cheap clock radio.

> Jim H. White

> System Science Consulting.

>

>

> Re: $100,000 wasted on unnecerssary mold remediation??

>

> Steve,

>

> You have always been known to have a quick eye and here you do notice

> a good question.

>

> May I suggest you go back to the website and review the otrher 12

> papers including the WHO health standards and the catalog of known

> biological/medical effects from EMF. There is also a testimonial

> from a school health official you may find helpful.

>

> Ken Gibala

>

>

>>

>> From the article:

>> " Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to isolate

> the

>> problem and make any adjustments to

>> alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio frequency

>> electromagnetic fields were too high, so

>> he installed electrical filters in every outlet.

>>

>> Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and the

> Melrose

>> school also were fitted with

>> filters.

>>

>> Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers

> began to

>> report they felt much better. Even

>> students were in better health, she said.

>>

>> Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers.

> Now, only

>> five children are using inhalers.

>> " I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good, "

> Olstad said.

>> " Some people come here feeling

>> bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling

> good. "

>>

>> The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since the

> filters have

>> been installed, yet the

>> thermostat hasn't been changed. "

>>

>> I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was

> EMFs. The

>> last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

> dropping 20

>> degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have

> been VOCs from the

>> electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and

> headaches.

>>

>> Steve Temes

>>

>> In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> jkg4902@... writes:

>> > It seems the school described below had been making teachers and

> pupils

>> > sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and had a

> $100,000

>> > cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and

> solution is curious.

>> >

>> >

> http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf

>> >

>> > Gibala

>> > Acacia Services

>> >

>>

>

>