Re: Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

[Guest guest]

unless you have confirmed active herpes viruses, why not just take antiretrovirals for XMV?

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...>infection & Inflammation group <infections >Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 10:36:20 AMSubject: [infections] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

[Guest guest]

Hi Penny /all , Good

info on Cimetidine..Another mechanism is detailed below on how

Cimitidine helps with a antibiotic damaged gut!

http://www.yeast-candida-infections-uk.co.uk/treatment-of-autism-and-yeast-infections

The information is of course not conclusive but it would support the

general theory that our gut flora generally has been downgraded by the

use of antibiotics leading to impaired synthesizing of vitamins leading

to poor elimination of Xenobiotics [ biologically active chemical/metal

which is found in an organism but which is not normally produced or

expected to be present in it]. It can also cover substances which are

present in much higher concentrations than are usual.

Metals act as

catalysts. The presence of metals in biological systems in an

uncomplicated form can significantly increase the level of oxidative

stress. Interlinked with Oxidative stress is a process called

methylation which is involved in regulating many cellular processes and

gene switching. under-methylators are about 45% of the "autism"

population. Mercury toxicity may disrupt the methylation cycle making

it practically unsolvable until the metals are removed. Several common

supplements often recommended for those with autism spectrum conditions

are involved in this process (this is just one of the processes

Vitamins and mineral supplements may help with).

Poor histamine

clearance is a direct consequence of impaired Methylation.

Histamine blockers [

H2 antagonists] have proved to be effective in treating cancer .

Cimetidine is a common drug used as an antacid Cimetidine works by

blocking H2 receptors . This site makes interesting readinghttp://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cimetidine.html ">“Is Cimetidine (Tagamet) a

Better Cure for Cancer?”

The main mechanism of

lowering histamine is by an enzyme produced in the gut mucosa. So if

you have an injured gut for whatever reason, less enzyme may be

produced, and this may mean you have a lower ability to eliminate

histamine. It’s known that many autistic children are contaminated with

metals/pesticides, this has lead to a widespread belief that this could

be the basic cause for the condition. The arguments against such a

basic conclusion are simple, where are the children of just a few

months old that have never been away from parental supervision

acquiring these health destroying amounts of contaminants, And how do

other children of the same age and living in the same environment avoid

the said contaminants.

The situation

strengthens the argument that we need normal gut flora to metabolise

metals pesticides etc; Without a pathway to excrete contaminants we all

encounter daily they build up within the body .In a mouse study it was

proved intestinal micro-flora is a major factor determining the

excretion rate of mercury [see.. Yeast, Genes, Enzyme production, Metal

toxicity ]

Cancer is an

infection .when cancer cells which we produce everyday as a normal

situation fail to be gobbled up [phagocytised] by cells of our immune

system. The main cells associated with this process [ Phagocytosis.]

are called Macrophages they are multifunctional immune cells.

just to make the

point again- our gut flora is our immune system.. how to manipulate our

gut flora is the key to good health

Antiretroviral

Drugs

The following

information comes from DR. ANDREW MANIOTIS, PhD Assistant Research

Professor Program Director Cell and Development Biology of Cancer,

Departments of Pathology and Bioengineering, University of Illinois,

Chicago

http://aras.ab.ca/articles/scientific/20071007-Maniotis-Lambros.pdf

However, to my

knowledge, there is no evidence that any antiretroviral drugs attack or

interfere with any virus directly. In all likelihood, antiretrovirals

modulate the immune system into either waking up, producing more

antibodies or, in some cases -- in high-dose regimens, they actually

kill bacteria, mycoplasmas, and fungi, that may be present in a immune

suppressed patient. At higher doses or during long term usage, these

drugs also modulate your cells, and eventually, kill the cells of the

immune system and other organs.

On 24/07/2010 15:36, Penny Houle wrote:

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a

good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication

(a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine

could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became

so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or

less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine

virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps

stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of

herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may

be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect

T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and

Mononucleosis

JAY

A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating

patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine,

300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients

have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in

no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects

and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive

suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2

receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by

cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals.org/content/99/3/410.2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for

Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success

rate in his CFS patients.

No virus found in this incoming message.

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[Guest guest]

I think that's a hot topic of discussion, but I don't know many doctors who will start prescribing anti-virals without some kind of research to back it up. I brought up cimetidine as a potential anti-viral that's easy to get over the counter.

Low dose naltrexone is another immune booster that some doctors are prescribing now. It needs to be made at a compounding pharmacy, but another therapy worth checking into.

From: Sue <suebackagain123@...>Subject: Re: [infections] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virusinfections Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 11:11 PM

unless you have confirmed active herpes viruses, why not just take antiretrovirals for XMV?

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule (DOT) com>infection & Inflammation group <InfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 10:36:20 AMSubject: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

[Guest guest]

Weird story. You would think someone studies EBV or T_s cells and would be

interested in his mono cure. I suspect that those who are lifelong specialists

in something can get very irritated sometimes when a generalist makes a big

discovery about their subject.

[Guest guest]

Its just such a shame. Retroviral infections are so serious and damage begins early after infection (like 2 weeks or something). I can only wonder what will become of me, starting the meds 18 yrs later! I had hoped more doctors would take this seriously now.

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...>infections Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 10:47:17 AMSubject: Re: [infections] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I think that's a hot topic of discussion, but I don't know many doctors who will start prescribing anti-virals without some kind of research to back it up. I brought up cimetidine as a potential anti-viral that's easy to get over the counter.

Low dose naltrexone is another immune booster that some doctors are prescribing now. It needs to be made at a compounding pharmacy, but another therapy worth checking into.

From: Sue <suebackagain123@ .ca>Subject: Re: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for VirusInfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.comDate: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 11:11 PM

unless you have confirmed active herpes viruses, why not just take antiretrovirals for XMV?

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule (DOT) com>infection & Inflammation group <InfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 10:36:20 AMSubject: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

[Guest guest]

There's a thread discussing Tagamet/Cimetidine over at Phoenix Rising if that's any help to you at all.

http://www.forums.aboutmecfs.org/showthread.php?2077-Tagamet-(cimetidine)-for-CFIDS-(worked-for-me) & highlight=Tagamet

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule@...>infections Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 10:47:17 AMSubject: Re: [infections] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I think that's a hot topic of discussion, but I don't know many doctors who will start prescribing anti-virals without some kind of research to back it up. I brought up cimetidine as a potential anti-viral that's easy to get over the counter.

Low dose naltrexone is another immune booster that some doctors are prescribing now. It needs to be made at a compounding pharmacy, but another therapy worth checking into.

From: Sue <suebackagain123@ .ca>Subject: Re: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for VirusInfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.comDate: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 11:11 PM

unless you have confirmed active herpes viruses, why not just take antiretrovirals for XMV?

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule (DOT) com>infection & Inflammation group <InfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 10:36:20 AMSubject: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

[Guest guest]

great post. Thanks, .

I was reminded of cimetidine because my gut has been acting up the last few days. It's usually the one place in my body that seems pretty solid, but not so much the last few days. I've got heartburn too, and the cimetidine obviously helps with that.

I know that you're right about a big part of the immune system being in the stomach. At least 60% if not more. I'm sure the years on abx have contributed to my gut changing. My body's balance has definitely become interdependent with the antibiotics. I've probably altered my dna. But trying to live without antibiotics is much worse than living with them.

One of the worst things I did to screw up my gut after it had functioned so well for so long, was about a year ago when I take a big dose of flagyl. I don't know what I was thinking. Should have started small, but I took a double dose and ended up so violently sick that I'm afraid to even look at the stuff now. After that episode, my gut has been less stable with some ibs type symptoms that I had 20 plus years ago, although milder.

But the more immediate cause of my current gut problems is probably due to a fungal overload as a result to succumbing to a ridiculous sweet tooth. First time in my life. The sugar is clearly having a negative effect on my gut.

One thing I know will help is taking Chromium. Chromium has always killed my sugar/carb cravings very effectively (it's known to help diabetics with insulin regulation). I just have to go get some. When I've used it in the past, it has taken up to 2 weeks for the cravings to go away, but not only did they go away, I started craving protein, in particular chicken (which I normally find very boring), so I have no doubt that chromium can have a very big impact on sugar/carb cravings and insulin regulation.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep taking the cimetidine and see if I notice any symptom improvements outside the indigestion and heartburn. Once I start the chromium to reduce the sugar/fungal issues, it will be easier to guage other effects of the chromium beyond the digestive. But if it's potentially therapeutic for cancer, and it's such a benign drug in general, I don't have a problem taking it as a preventative, even if it has no effect on my specific infection.

I can't imagine how all those poor people with ulcers managed before Cimetidine came along (and the realization that ulcers are caused by bacteria). Being told to reduce stress and drink milk! Unbelievable! What suffering they must have had to endure. We used to hear of ulcers all the time as related to stress. Hardly ever do anymore. But the fact that a bacterial caused condition, like stomach ulcers, responded positively to Cimetidine, is another reason to give cimetidine type drugs another look.

penny

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I know. I feel the same way, but the good news is that break-throughs may finally be gaining some steam, even if it's just in the medical establishment's way of thinking. Once they accept something as "true" they'll also have to stop treating us like "malingerers" or "head cases" and acknowledge that there is a medical basis for our symptoms and therapy is needed.

I guess it would be better than nothing, to know that when you step into a doctor's exam room, that he's most likely taking you seriously. Or that your family, or ex's family, can no longer get away with saying "get over it". :-( So much ignorance!

I just hope that these doctors also wake up soon to what bacterial infections are doing to people. It's unbelievable how many bizarre illnesses are out there caused by bacteria, like deafness and blindness and flesh being eaten away, and yet they refuse to acknowledge that bugs can cause an illness that slowly deteriorates one's immune system and robs one's health in the process. They know that bugs can mutate and that bio-films exist as an inpenetrable armor. Why can't they see that bio-films are the reason treatments aren't all that effective and infections come back, or why don't ENT's make the connection to why sinus surgery is rarely that successful? My sinuses are clearly so coated with that hardened slime that I get no relief from nasal migraine meds, but give me a shot of the same drug which goes directly into the blood stream and the migraine is gone in 3 minutes. And I am far from alone in that

experience.

Seems so obvious and yet doctors seem to be the last to make the connections.

Okay, end of rant.

I'm trying to stay positive that good things are going to come of these new discoveries. Like the old saying, "the only thing that never changes is change". Something's gotta give here, sooner than later.

From: Sue <suebackagain123@ .ca>Subject: Re: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for VirusInfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.comDate: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 11:11 PM

unless you have confirmed active herpes viruses, why not just take antiretrovirals for XMV?

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule (DOT) com>infection & Inflammation group <InfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 10:36:20 AMSubject: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link. Definitely interesting. I think Goldstein said that perhaps only 20% of his cfs patients responded to cimetidine, so it could be a long shot, or it could just take time to recognize the benefits, or, if you end up cancer free, how would you know it wasn't because of cimetidine? Lots of interesting stuff.

I've been finding Goldstein more and more interesting of late. I don't remember how much I posted about this, but my Neurologist has been giving me nerve blocks for my migraines. The crazy thing, is that blocking that nerve also had the unexpected side effects of joint pain disappearing, muscle weakness going away, energy increasing. Basically all of my symptoms improving greatly or disappearing entirely. I felt like a new person, just because of a nerve block. I kow that Goldstein worked primarily with brain chemistry, but it seems very clear to me, after having received these nerve blocks, that my body is getting mixed signals from my brain and is over reacting with all kinds of pain and fatigue issues. The bad news is the nerve blocks only last for 2 to 3 weeks, but the good news is there's another procedure which acts in the same way and lasts for 6 months or so. I'm going to give that a go.

From: Sue <suebackagain123@ .ca>Subject: Re: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for VirusInfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.comDate: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 11:11 PM

unless you have confirmed active herpes viruses, why not just take antiretrovirals for XMV?

From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule (DOT) com>infection & Inflammation group <InfectionAndInflamm ation2@grou ps.com>Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 10:36:20 AMSubject: [infectionAndInflam mation2] Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on "Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20% success rate in his CFS patients.

[Guest guest]

Penny a

sweet tooth

is one of the symptoms of a yeast infection ..as treatment progresses

the

craving for sugar goes ..it happened with me ..On the subject of

stimulating

the immune system , We now know that our commensal gut flora have

extraordinary

abilities ..in the normal flora sect of my site I provide info that gut

flora can manipulate the immune system actually eliciting an immune

response then

switching it off ..wow.. Now, with a gut dysbiosis gut flora are

exported

throughout the body ..bacteria that can manipulate the immune system...

I believe that’s why we are

chronically ill and why I provide info on stimulating the IS …It explains my

improvement overall when suffering a cold ..anyway food for thought ..I

presented

my data to government scientists last week the presentation and

discussion lasted

3 hours ,,a big success I’ll

keep you all posted as and when things develop

On 25/07/2010 16:42, Penny Houle wrote:

great post. Thanks, .

I was reminded of cimetidine because my gut has been

acting up the last few days. It's usually the one place in my body that

seems pretty solid, but not so much the last few days. I've got

heartburn too, and the cimetidine obviously helps with that.

I know that you're right about a big part of the immune

system being in the stomach. At least 60% if not more. I'm sure the

years on abx have contributed to my gut changing. My body's balance has

definitely become interdependent with the antibiotics. I've probably

altered my dna. But trying to live without antibiotics is much worse

than living with them.

One of the worst things I did to screw up my gut after it

had functioned so well for so long, was about a year ago when I take a

big dose of flagyl. I don't know what I was thinking. Should have

started small, but I took a double dose and ended up so violently sick

that I'm afraid to even look at the stuff now. After that episode, my

gut has been less stable with some ibs type symptoms that I had 20 plus

years ago, although milder.

But the more immediate cause of my current gut problems is

probably due to a fungal overload as a result to succumbing to a

ridiculous sweet tooth. First time in my life. The sugar is clearly

having a negative effect on my gut.

One thing I know will help is taking Chromium. Chromium

has always killed my sugar/carb cravings very effectively (it's known

to help diabetics with insulin regulation). I just have to go get

some. When I've used it in the past, it has taken up to 2 weeks for the

cravings to go away, but not only did they go away, I started craving

protein, in particular chicken (which I normally find very boring), so

I have no doubt that chromium can have a very big impact on sugar/carb

cravings and insulin regulation.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep taking the cimetidine

and see if I notice any symptom improvements outside the indigestion

and heartburn. Once I start the chromium to reduce the sugar/fungal

issues, it will be easier to guage other effects of the chromium beyond

the digestive. But if it's potentially therapeutic for cancer, and it's

such a benign drug in general, I don't have a problem taking it as a

preventative, even if it has no effect on my specific infection.

I can't imagine how all those poor people with ulcers

managed before Cimetidine came along (and the realization that ulcers

are caused by bacteria). Being told to reduce stress and drink milk!

Unbelievable! What suffering they must have had to endure. We used to

hear of ulcers all the time as related to stress. Hardly ever

do anymore. But the fact that a bacterial caused condition, like

stomach ulcers, responded positively to Cimetidine, is another reason

to give cimetidine type drugs another look.

penny

I've talked about this before but thought it

might be a good time to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral

medication (a benign one at that).

Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that

Cimetidine could cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And

he became so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that

he more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

However, I recently was doing a search on

"Cimetidine virus" and came across numerous claims from people who

find it helps stop or slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is

a type of herpes virus.)

So with all the talk of the new XMRV

retro-virus, it may be time to take another look at Cimetidine or other

drugs that affect T-cells and their receptors.

From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE

Cimetidine

and Mononucleosis

JAY A. GOLDSTEIN, M.D.

Excerpt

To the editor: For 2 years I

have been treating patients in my family practice who have

mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg three times a day for 5 days.

Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients have had almost complete remission

of symptoms in 1 or 2 days, and in no patient has the disease recurred.

There have been no adverse effects and no complications.

Because herpes virus

disorders may cause excessive suppressor T-cell activity (1) and

because suppressor T cells have H-2 receptors, (2) this excessive

activity may be partially blocked by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may

secrete lymphokines that may be...

http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

There are more excerpts out there if you do a

search for Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a

20% success rate in his CFS patients.

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[Guest guest]

Speaking of Ulcers- My hubby and I went to Mexico in Feb this year and I

contracted h. pylori... or put it this way ( in case it was latent and just

decided to show symptoms)... I became symptomatic about 10 days after returning.

Waking up at night with a gnawing sensation in my gut- feeling sicj about 1 hr

after eating.. etc. Quest diagnostics confirmed positive for h.pylori by blood

test ( antibodies).

I took a modified version of the PrevPac ( 1 G clarithromycin, 2G amoxicillin %

60 mg Nexium with 8 Oz Kefir and 500,000 cfu Nystatin) daily for 2 .5 weeks...

then 6 weeks later tested Negative for H. Pylori antigen by Fecal Test.

My guts been great since. I imagine that killed some Lyme if there was any

unexposed as well!. Bonus.

Barb

> >> I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time

> >> to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a

> >> benign one at that).

> >> Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could

> >> cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became

> >> so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he

> >> more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

> >> However, I recently was doing a search on " Cimetidine virus " and

> >> came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or

> >> slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of

> >> herpes virus.)

> >> So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time

> >> to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect

> >> T-cells and their receptors.

> >> *From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE*

> >>

> >>

> >> Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

> >>

> >> 1. JAY A. GOLDSTEIN

> >>

<http://www.annals.org/search?author1=JAY+A.+GOLDSTEIN & sortspec=date & submit=Subm\

it>,

> >> M.D.

> >>

> >> *Excerpt*

> >>

> >> **

> >>

> >> To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my

> >> family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg

> >> three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients

> >> have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days,

> >> and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no

> >> adverse effects and no complications.

> >>

> >> Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor

> >> T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2

> >> receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked

> >> by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that

> >> may be...

> >>

> >> http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

> >> <http://www.annals.org/content/99/3/410.2.extract>

> >> There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for

> >> Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20%

> >> success rate in his CFS patients.

> >>

> >>

> >>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Barb /all , I

do wonder why you

contracted HP and hubby didn’t and hasn’t . I don’t

think it’s just a case of bumping into the

pathogen

but how you have developed susceptibly to infection …

I remember reading

an account of how

Mexican workers in a food outlet tested positive for many health

destroying parasites

/pathogens [stool test] yet remained unaffected ..Its

also a fact than in parts of the world

HP is endemic with no obvious problems to those affected.

It is suspected

that HP was with us before

we were human!!! So why is it a pathogen only in some people?

Here’s one theory ,

that gels very well with my findings ..Our illness stems from

a gut dysbiosis ,

restoring gut flora to what is considered normal is now the

holly grail of

medicine [or should be]..See my comments to Dr Mercloa’s

articles in “current medical thinking I”

part of my site ..And in "normal flora" sect on how our commensal flora tweak the immune

system to provide our immune response ..

Best

An alternative

hypothesis is that microorganisms that cause lifelong

infections can ill afford

to express virulence factors that directly cause disease,

because the risk of

losing the host is too great. Rather, we propose that

gastroduodenal disease

associated with H.

pylori infection

is

predominantly a result of inappropriately regulated gastric

immune responses to

the infection. In this model, the interactions between the

immune/inflammatory

response, gastric physiology, and host repair mechanisms would

dictate the

disease outcome in response to infection.

THE DISEASE

SPECTRUM

OF HELICOBACTER

PYLORI:

The Immunopathogenesis of

Gastroduodenal Ulcer and Gastric Cancer

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.54.1.615

http://www.yeast-candida-infections-uk.co.uk/autism-is-increasing-exponentially

On 15/08/2010 12:30, egroups1bp wrote:

Speaking of Ulcers- My hubby and I went to Mexico in Feb

this year and I contracted h. pylori... or put it this way

( in case it was latent and just decided to show

symptoms)... I became symptomatic about 10 days after

returning.

Waking up at night with a gnawing sensation in my gut-

feeling sicj about 1 hr after eating.. etc. Quest

diagnostics confirmed positive for h.pylori by blood test

( antibodies).

I took a modified version of the PrevPac ( 1 G

clarithromycin, 2G amoxicillin % 60 mg Nexium with 8 Oz

Kefir and 500,000 cfu Nystatin) daily for 2 .5 weeks...

then 6 weeks later tested Negative for H. Pylori antigen

by Fecal Test.

My guts been great since. I imagine that killed some Lyme

if there was any unexposed as well!. Bonus.

Barb

> >> I've talked about this before but thought it

might be a good time

> >> to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an

anti-viral medication (a

> >> benign one at that).

> >> Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported

that Cimetidine could

> >> cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2

days. And he became

> >> so frustrated at the lack of attention to

this finding that he

> >> more or less gave up trying to get people to

listen.

> >> However, I recently was doing a search on

"Cimetidine virus" and

> >> came across numerous claims from people who

find it helps stop or

> >> slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently,

mono is a type of

> >> herpes virus.)

> >> So with all the talk of the new XMRV

retro-virus, it may be time

> >> to take another look at Cimetidine or other

drugs that affect

> >> T-cells and their receptors.

> >> *From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE*

> >>

> >>

> >> Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

> >>

> >> 1. JAY A. GOLDSTEIN

> >> <http://www.annals.org/search?author1=JAY+A.+GOLDSTEIN & sortspec=date & submit=Submit>,

> >> M.D.

> >>

> >> *Excerpt*

> >>

> >> **

> >>

> >> To the editor: For 2 years I have been

treating patients in my

> >> family practice who have mononucleosis with

cimetidine, 300 mg

> >> three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of

thirty-two patients

> >> have had almost complete remission of

symptoms in 1 or 2 days,

> >> and in no patient has the disease recurred.

There have been no

> >> adverse effects and no complications.

> >>

> >> Because herpes virus disorders may cause

excessive suppressor

> >> T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T

cells have H-2

> >> receptors, (2) this excessive activity may

be partially blocked

> >> by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may

secrete lymphokines that

> >> may be...

> >>

> >> http://www.annals.

org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

> >> <http://www.annals.org/content/99/3/410.2.extract>

> >> There are more excerpts out there if you do

a search for

> >> Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he

talks about a 20%

> >> success rate in his CFS patients.

> >>

> >>

> >>

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[Guest guest]

IMO, there's not much of a case for damage. It's possible it could exist in

some. More likely, I believe, all symtpoms are reversable in everyone with

me/cfs.

> Its just such a shame. Retroviral infections are so serious and damage begins

> early after infection (like 2 weeks or something). I can only wonder what will

> become of me, starting the meds 18 yrs later! I had hoped more doctors would

> take this seriously now.

[Guest guest]

i have spoken to a retroviroligst, who tells me there can be damage, including lymph tissue atrophy and other things. i cannot remember what else and have lost the email.

i dont know if this will happen to us or not....maybe it is mostly reversible damage. but i know people who have had cancer and heart attacks due to CFS so i am not sure if its all reversible for everyone.

sue

From: hodolog1ca <usenethod@...>infections Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 1:48:01 AMSubject: [infections] Re: Cimetidine/Tagament for Virus

IMO, there's not much of a case for damage. It's possible it could exist in some. More likely, I believe, all symtpoms are reversable in everyone with me/cfs.> Its just such a shame. Retroviral infections are so serious and damage begins > early after infection (like 2 weeks or something). I can only wonder what will > become of me, starting the meds 18 yrs later! I had hoped more doctors would > take this seriously now.

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Hubby was tested at the same time I was at the same lab and he was negative.

I agree with you 100% about gut and immunity. Actually I think my

gut/digestive tract / bowels are in the best shape they've ever been in. But

that doesn't mean it's in great shape either (it was in such terrible shape when

Lyme was active)

I have a candida panel (IgA, IgM, IgG)done every couple of years, and I was

negative for the first time in about 10 years - tested at the same time I was

tested for HP.

You know my spleen status is a mystery- right? None present on a CT scan- but

a suspected smaLL auxillary spleen attached to my pancreas... SO I'm not sure

I'm the best subject to generalize about immunity - as mine is suspect anyway.

I have had some massive infections in my past - some infections my immune system

elevates and responds to and some it just doesn;t.

I've had 3 major surgeries on my gut dating back to 1956 ( born in 1948

operated on in 1956 exploratory surgery - they found a kidney flopping around in

my body cavity) and then another OP in 1976 when adhesions from the 1954 op

looped a section of intestine ( That was mis dx as hysterical pregnancy and I

almost died).

I'll read your references though

Thanks.

B

> > > >> I've talked about this before but thought it might be a good time

> > > >> to revisit Cimetidine (Tagament) as an anti-viral medication (a

> > > >> benign one at that).

> > > >> Dr. Jay Goldstein in Los Angeles reported that Cimetidine could

> > > >> cure the Mononuecleosis virus within 1 to 2 days. And he became

> > > >> so frustrated at the lack of attention to this finding that he

> > > >> more or less gave up trying to get people to listen.

> > > >> However, I recently was doing a search on " Cimetidine virus " and

> > > >> came across numerous claims from people who find it helps stop or

> > > >> slow their Herpes outbreaks. (apparently, mono is a type of

> > > >> herpes virus.)

> > > >> So with all the talk of the new XMRV retro-virus, it may be time

> > > >> to take another look at Cimetidine or other drugs that affect

> > > >> T-cells and their receptors.

> > > >> *From ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE*

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Cimetidine and Mononucleosis

> > > >>

> > > >> 1. JAY A. GOLDSTEIN

> > > >>

> >

<http://www.annals.org/search?author1=JAY+A.+GOLDSTEIN & sortspec=date & submit=Subm\

it

> >

<http://www.annals.org/search?author1=JAY+A.+GOLDSTEIN & sortspec=date & submit=Subm\

it>>,

> > > >> M.D.

> > > >>

> > > >> *Excerpt*

> > > >>

> > > >> **

> > > >>

> > > >> To the editor: For 2 years I have been treating patients in my

> > > >> family practice who have mononucleosis with cimetidine, 300 mg

> > > >> three times a day for 5 days. Twenty-nine of thirty-two patients

> > > >> have had almost complete remission of symptoms in 1 or 2 days,

> > > >> and in no patient has the disease recurred. There have been no

> > > >> adverse effects and no complications.

> > > >>

> > > >> Because herpes virus disorders may cause excessive suppressor

> > > >> T-cell activity (1) and because suppressor T cells have H-2

> > > >> receptors, (2) this excessive activity may be partially blocked

> > > >> by cimetidine. Suppressor T cells may secrete lymphokines that

> > > >> may be...

> > > >>

> > > >> http://www.annals. org/content/ 99/3/410. 2.extract

> > > >> <http://www.annals.org/content/99/3/410.2.extract>

> > > >> There are more excerpts out there if you do a search for

> > > >> Goldstein and Cimetidine. In some places he talks about a 20%

> > > >> success rate in his CFS patients.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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