Re: $100,000 wasted on unnecerssary mold remediation??

[Guest guest]

From the article:

"Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to isolate the problem and make any adjustments to

alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio frequency electromagnetic fields were too high, so

he installed electrical filters in every outlet.

Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and the Melrose school also were fitted with

filters.

Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers began to report they felt much better. Even

students were in better health, she said.

Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers. Now, only five children are using inhalers.

"I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good," Olstad said. "Some people come here feeling

bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling good."

The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since the filters have been installed, yet the

thermostat hasn't been changed."

I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was EMFs. The last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room dropping 20 degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have been VOCs from the electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and headaches.

Steve Temes

It seems the school described below had been making teachers and pupils sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and had a $100,000 cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and solution is curious.

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf

Gibala

Acacia Services

[Guest guest]

Steve,

You have always been known to have a quick eye and here you do notice

a good question.

May I suggest you go back to the website and review the otrher 12

papers including the WHO health standards and the catalog of known

biological/medical effects from EMF. There is also a testimonial

from a school health official you may find helpful.

Ken Gibala

>

> From the article:

> " Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to isolate

the

> problem and make any adjustments to

> alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio frequency

> electromagnetic fields were too high, so

> he installed electrical filters in every outlet.

>

> Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and the

Melrose

> school also were fitted with

> filters.

>

> Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers

began to

> report they felt much better. Even

> students were in better health, she said.

>

> Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers.

Now, only

> five children are using inhalers.

> " I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good, "

Olstad said.

> " Some people come here feeling

> bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling

good. "

>

> The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since the

filters have

> been installed, yet the

> thermostat hasn't been changed. "

>

> I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was

EMFs. The

> last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

dropping 20

> degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have

been VOCs from the

> electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and

headaches.

>

> Steve Temes

>

> In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> jkg4902@... writes:

> > It seems the school described below had been making teachers and

pupils

> > sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and had a

$100,000

> > cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and

solution is curious.

> >

> >

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf

> >

> > Gibala

> > Acacia Services

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was EMFs.

The last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

dropping 20 degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might

have been VOCs from the

> electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and headaches.

>

> Steve Temes

And if the mold cleanup had already been performed, how did they

determine that the $100,000 worth of mold remediation had been

unnecessary, and had nothing to do with why they started feeling better?

-MW

[Guest guest]

I'm likewise (1) in agreement that EMF sensitivity is real, and (2)

skeptical that there was a single real cause, much less that it was

EMF.

At the height of my family's " sick house " experience my wife started

having symptoms at a particular location which could be explained by

EMF, but which subsided when her chemical exposures were reduced. I

have since that time considered both chemical sensitivity and EM

sensitivity as noise margin problems in the nervous system, with

both counting toward the same noise margin, and the noise margin

being cumulative (integral) rather than instantaneous.

If the temperature really did get cooler, then there were some

computer power supplies wasting an incredible amount of power (as

heat). There were some power supply design issues a decade before

that which became real problems if lots of PCs were run off a single

circuit...theoretically could create heat in the wiring all the way

back to the breaker...but even the low bidders shouldn't have had

that problem by then. (The words " power factor correction " are

relevant here, but the details are outside my expertise.) BTW if

that's the problem, filters are a really bad solution.

Last observation: I work in the computer business. Several decades

ago there was an expensive computer in the middle of nowhere which a

technician had gone out to fix, but when he put it back together

would not turn back on. A more senior technician was put on a plane

to " help " . Upon walking up to the equipment he noticed that a

particular rarely touched circuit breaker had not been turned back

on by the junior technician after the repair. Seizing upon his

heritage, and to distract the customer, he circled the equipment a

couple of times in something resembling a native american dance, on

the second time around deftly turning the breaker back on, causing

the equipment to come back to life. He dealt with the junior guy

later. My point? If the custodian had been mixing a toxic brew of

cleaning chemicals for years, and it was found out only after the

district spent all that money, of course they would have misdirected

the attention before dealing with the custodian in private.

Steve Chalmers

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> It seems the school described below had been making teachers and

pupils sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and

had a $100,000 cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses

and solution is curious.

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[Guest guest]

In a place that I used to work there was a room that had a very high

emf in one part of it. It took quite a while to figure out what was

happening, as different computers and different monitors all had the

same problem, but only when they were in that room!

A CRT-style monitor would not function properly there, we ended up

having to give the person who worked in that room a flat panel monitor

because otherwise, the monitor was impossible to use without

developing a headache very quickly because of the flicker.

I forget exactly what the technical cause was but I am thinking that

room was right near where the electrical feed for the entire building

came in. Later on there was a remodel and care was taken to re-route

that cable so that it no longer was so close to offices.

Its possible that people sick from a wide range of causes (perhaps the

spectrum of things that cause very low GSH status?) may become more

sensitive to EMF?

I would not be surprised if they find this to be true someday..

[Guest guest]

You have to read on...

The remediation was done over a summer period when the school was

closed. Over the summer the staff and students had recovered. When

they returned they their discomforts returned. That suggested the

$100,000 remediation did not do the job. From there they tested for

what can be called dirty electricity.

I'm not concerned at the moment with the claim of a 20 degree

reduction in temperature; after all what we are reading is a

newspaper story by a home town reporter who may have mistyped or

confused that item. I plan to check with the vendor what that is all

about but have not had the time as yet.. I do agree such sounds like

nonsense. I'm not willing to conclude at the moment there is

any " smoke and mirrors " .

My point with sharing the article is to illustrate how the paranoia

with mold and mold in schools can lead to wasteful spending.

Obviously they had no competent CIH on their staff.

Just my opinion.

Ken

>

> >

> > I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was

EMFs.

> The last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

> dropping 20 degrees since the filters were installed tells me it

might

> have been VOCs from the

> > electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and

headaches.

> >

> > Steve Temes

>

>

> And if the mold cleanup had already been performed, how did they

> determine that the $100,000 worth of mold remediation had been

> unnecessary, and had nothing to do with why they started feeling

better?

> -MW

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Steve for phrasing your thoughts as you just did...

I agree that EMF's can alter the environment significiently and cause

many discomforts and medical condition of which you've listed a few.

As far as the school in question here is a testimonial from the

school nurse giving her opinion as to the improvement after the

filters were installed. Listed are the physical complaints that

existed before the remediation that seemed to have been corrected.

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/filter_school_results.pdf

As for the general subject of electromagnetic radiation causing

illness and disconforts here are additional references.

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/dirty_power_healthy_schools.pdf

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/NikitinaV.pdf

http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/committees/04_scenihr/docs/scenihr_

o_007.pdf

Ken

> > >

> > >From the article:

> > > " Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to

isolate

> > the

> > >problem and make any adjustments to

> > >alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio

frequency

> > >electromagnetic fields were too high, so

> > >he installed electrical filters in every outlet.

> > >

> > >Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and

the

> > Melrose

> > >school also were fitted with

> > >filters.

> > >

> > >Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers

> > began to

> > >report they felt much better. Even

> > >students were in better health, she said.

> > >

> > >Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers.

> > Now, only

> > >five children are using inhalers.

> > > " I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good, "

> > Olstad said.

> > > " Some people come here feeling

> > >bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling

> > good. "

> > >

> > >The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since the

> > filters have

> > >been installed, yet the

> > >thermostat hasn't been changed. "

> > >

> > >I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was

> > EMFs. The

> > >last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

> > dropping 20

> > >degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have

> > been VOCs from the

> > >electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and

> > headaches.

> > >

> > >Steve Temes

> > >

> > >In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > >jkg4902@ writes:

> > >>It seems the school described below had been making teachers

and

> > pupils

> > >>sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and had

a

> > $100,000

> > >>cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and

> > solution is curious.

> > >>

> > >>

> > http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf

> > >>

> > >> Gibala

> > >>Acacia Services

> > >>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

You're right. It very well could have been a poorly installed or

maintained ground loop. But I can't fault the school system. There

is so much mold fright they apparantly were suckered into the major

remediation cleanup. They spent the money and when the school

reopened after the summer everyone got sick again. Someone came up

with the idea of emf contamination and they tried a small section as

a test and the teachers seemed pleased. Supposedly that solved the

problem accordingly to the school nurse. The vendor sold a bushel of

$25 harmonics/emf filters and he was happy. Maybe a faulty ground

loop still exists. We'll probably never know. But we do know by the

literature that the complaints have disappeared.

Ken

====================

> >

> > From the article:

> > " Dave Stetzer of Stetzer Electric, Blair, was contracted to

isolate

> the

> > problem and make any adjustments to

> > alleviate the problem. Stetzer found the amount of radio

frequency

> > electromagnetic fields were too high, so

> > he installed electrical filters in every outlet.

> >

> > Besides the Mindoro school, the Melrose-Mindoro High School and

the

> Melrose

> > school also were fitted with

> > filters.

> >

> > Weeks after the filter installation, Olstad and other teachers

> began to

> > report they felt much better. Even

> > students were in better health, she said.

> >

> > Before the problem was diagnosed, 37 children were on inhalers.

> Now, only

> > five children are using inhalers.

> > " I haven't had a headache since. I have never felt this good, "

> Olstad said.

> > " Some people come here feeling

> > bad and when they leave at the end of the day, they are feeling

> good. "

> >

> > The temperature in the computer lab dropped 20 degrees since

the

> filters have

> > been installed, yet the

> > thermostat hasn't been changed. "

> >

> > I'm not buying that the true cause of respiratory problems was

> EMFs. The

> > last sentence above about the temperature in the computer room

> dropping 20

> > degrees since the filters were installed tells me it might have

> been VOCs from the

> > electronics that were the cause of respiratory effects and

> headaches.

> >

> > Steve Temes

> >

> > In a message dated 10/29/2008 8:00:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > jkg4902@ writes:

> > > It seems the school described below had been making teachers

and

> pupils

> > > sick. The administration assumed it was a mold problem and

had a

> $100,000

> > > cleaning undertaken. The true cause of the illnesses and

> solution is curious.

> > >

> > >

> http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/pdfs/electrical_toll_on_school.pdf

> > >

> > > Gibala

> > > Acacia Services

> > >

> >

>