Re: what to feed the kids

[Guest guest]

Hi Shona:

I use bakery sliced Italian bread for toast and sandwiches.

Eggs and sausage, rice krispies & soy milk , soy yogurt,

sugar free Jell-O, fresh fruit, flavored waters, clear Gatorade - every now &

then, hash browns, peanuts, sugar free jelly, hard boiled eggs, non-dairy

granola bars .... someone please send her the link to the Kosher symbols...

Hope this helps!

what to feed the kids

Hi group! I've been looking over Dr. G's do's and don't's for diet.

What do you feed your kids? My son loves toaster scrambles for

breakfast. He can't have the cheese in those now. I was thinking

grilled meat and veggies for supper, but am struggling with the other

two meals. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! Shona

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[Guest guest]

In looking over Dr. G's diet, my son is pretty much eating that way already

except for a few things. For breakfast, he eats eggs cooked omlete-style

with no cheese. You could throw in some meat for more flavor but we never

do. He also eats rice crackers with nut butter fixed sandwich-style or

open-faced rice crackers with nut butter. Sometimes he eats meat for

breakfast as well. His lunches are meat cooked from scratch (I usually cook

ahead and freeze) cut in chunks and veggies.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/14/02 10:33:11 AM Central Daylight Time,

barbkatsaros@... writes:

> Gaylen, did you choose not to give your son the processed wheat as is

> allowed on the diet?

After years of working so hard on getting a healthy diet into him, I cringe

at the thought of using processed stuff. From what he says on his site, I'm

assuming Dr. G only recommends adding processed wheat when you're having a

hard time getting protein or other things into your child -- kind of lesser

of evils thing? Curt eats enough other foods that we don't need to add

wheat. Though we may try it further down the road if he does ok on the milk

products we're adding back in gradually. I plan to take it really slow with

the milk like we did with soy to make sure he doesn't react and then if he's

ok on that, I've promised him we'll treat wheat with his NAET/TBM treatments

and then try it. I chose to try milk first because I hope to get some

benefits from yogurt and lactobacillus rather than the dairy-free stuff he

had to be on for so many years plus those who have been able to venture off

the diet after healing say negative effects don't seem to last as long to

dairy infractions as they do with wheat.

By the time we get to Dr. Goldberg, we should have a good picture of what

happens now when he eats milk products and maybe have tried wheat again, who

knows. We should have an apt with Dr. G soon -- yea! -- my hubby just told

me today that he forgot to give me a message that his office had called last

week to make an apt. I think we'll have to put hubby on the protocol as well

for memory issues .

>

> has become more volatile with his emotions but it's hard to say

> that is from wheat as he is doing metronome every day after school for an

> hour (very difficult). We went off samonas 2 weeks ago. did you notice

>

That seems a little soon to be having problems after stopping Samonas but I

guess it is possible. Curty's sensativities tend to ease back in over a

period of several weeks or months between listening to Samonas or TLP but

usually does fine with about a month between listenings. So hard to know

though when you're doing so much and often hard to control. When we tried

milk on Curt last week I thought it would be the perfect day but our

neighbors had Chem lawn spray that day. Since Curt is so sensative to

chemicals, I'm not sure if the little runny nose and slight focus drop came

from the milk or the chem lawn stuff or both. We'll try yogurt next Tuesday

and hopefully not have any other exposures so we can see what happens. Even

if it was the milk, that's a huge difference over the last time he had milk

almost three years ago when he regressed for several weeks and became

extremely volatile so I consider it a good sign.

Gaylen

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Shona,

We eat meat (fish, too!) cooked many different ways (for our child nitrates

are a problem so we can't do pepperoni, jerky, most lunch meat etc). Watch

out for the marinades... some have no-nos in them (I think soy sauce has

wheat gluten). Pizza with no cheese on it is still good as a special treat.

A word of warning... when we first started the diet, we innocently bought

the " veggie cheeses " that are available. After several months of this, we

realized that ALMOST ALL of them have casein in them. I don't think the

Tofutti cheeses do, but my kids don't care for them.

I apologize in advance if I duplicated anything on the list below. I

consolidated a couple of my documents for this post. Also, if I put

anything on here that's a no-no, someone please correct me.

By the way, I have listed things on this list which contain sugar, which we

are supposed to avoid. The sugary items are only for occasional special

treats. We eat them sparingly. We do angel food cakes at birthday parties

because they are mostly air... even our diabetic friend can have angel food

cake.

Dr. G says if you have to cheat, it's

Shona, if you can find any other families " doing the diet " in your area,

(might want to check for an autism support group), they can be a GREAT

resource for helping you to find stuff locally that your child can have.

The " mommy " network in my town is great and we always tell each other when

we find a new item our kids can have.

Items we like that are Dairy Free...

eggs

canned chicken from Sam's (you can save that broth and freeze it because

regular chicken broth has stuff in it a lot of our kids can't have)

tortilla chips

refried beans

kidney beans

carrot nubs

Rice Krispie Treats once in a great while

Mc's Hamburger Happy Meals (this will save you on vacation)!

some Melba Toasts

Most Sour Dough Breads

Wonder Bread

Sugar Free sodas for a treat

Murray sugar-free vanilla wafers from Wal-Mart

We're big on spinach for the calcium

tons of veggies

Mayonnaise (we use Hellmann's)

cashews (get the BIG can at Sam's Club)

pistachios

peanuts and peanut butter

Tofutti ice cream desserts.

Rice Dream, Eden Soy, Soy Moo and Vance's Dari-Free (potato milk... order

from Miss Roben's website... you can also order a small sample if you want

to try it... that may only be available through Vance's website... not

sure). We buy ³WestSoy² Soy milk by the case (the vanilla is good for

drinking, we cook with the plain).

Soy Silk is supposedly the best tasting Soy milkŠ but it costs more than

West Soy and our son isn't picky!

We use ³Earth Balance Natural Buttery Spread² or " Soy Garden " spread

(Kroger). I just don¹t bake with it because I had a bad experience making

icing because it does liquefy at room temperature! It¹s very healthy,

though.

For baking... " Willow Ridge " soy margarine sticks for baking (from Kroger in

the Health Food section). We also use Fleischmann's unsalted margarine

sticks.

³Chicken Taquitos² from Sam¹s for fast food at homeŠ not too healthy, but

the kids like them.

Tyson Chicken nuggets (Sam's Club)

Many Duncan Hines mixes (cakes) are soy based.

Tofutti Cuties are ³fake² ice cream sandwiches that the kids love (from

Kroger in the Health Food section... also health food stores)

³Better than Cream Cheese² tastes greatŠ from Sunspot.

A friend just recommended ³Sour Supreme² fake sour cream (she got it at

Marsh)

Salsa makes a good snack with tortilla chips (we use the baked ones)

Popcorn

Hummus is a Middle Eastern dip that our kids love to dip pita in. We get it

at Kroger (Three Sheiks ³Red Pepper² or ³3 Pepper² flavor is bestŠ garlic is

next best after that)Š kind of expensive. I¹m trying to perfect a recipe

for it so I can make it at home. Trader Joe's has hummus, too.

Rice Krispies

Kix

Rice Chex

Corn Chex

Cheerios (plain)

Crunchy Corn Bran

A friend says she found Dairy Free Cool Whip at Wal-Mart (Cool Whip isn¹t

always dairy free). I haven't tired this myself yet.

Some more generic brands of vanilla Oreo type cookies (I got some at

Meijer... the peanut butter ones were good!)

Carob chips

Seasoned roasted soy nuts (Kroger)

DAIRY INGREDIENTS TO AVOID:

Acidophilus Milk (the milk is the problem, not the acidophilus)

Casein

Caseinate

Curds

Galactose

Ghee

Lactalbumin

Lactate

Lactic Acid (sometimes the base is dairy, but not always)

Lactoglobulin

Lactose

Malted Milk

Potassium Caseinate

Ready Sponge

Sodium Caseinate

Whey

The following ingredients sound like dairy, but are not:

Calcium Carbonate

Calcium Propionate

Calcium Stearoyl Lactylate (This is not ALWAYS dairy-free, but often is. The

base is lactic acid, which may or may not have dairy. If you see this

ingredient, call the manufacturer and ask if the lactic acid in it has a

base of dairy or not.)

Cocoa Butter

Cocoa Powder

Lactylate (This is not ALWAYS dairy-free, but often is. The base is lactic

acid, which may or may not have dairy. If you see this ingredient, call the

manufacturer and ask if the lactic acid in it has a base of dairy or not.)

Lecithin

Mannitol

Mono-Diglycerides

Sodium Lactylate (This is not ALWAYS dairy-free, but often is. The base is

lactic acid, which may or may not have dairy. If you see this ingredient,

call the manufacturer and ask if the lactic acid in it has a base of dairy

or not.)

Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate (This is not ALWAYS dairy-free, but often is. The

base is lactic acid, which may or may not have dairy. If you see this

ingredient, call the manufacturer and ask if the lactic acid in it has a

base of dairy or not.)

Sorbic Acid

Starch

Kosher Products

By law, a product can be labeled " dairy free " as long as it does not contain

more than 2% of a dairy product. A Kosher listing may give you immediate

feedback on the safety of a product. Most Kosher products have K, U, Parve

or Pareve on the label. These generally do not have dairy. The majority of

Pareve products do not contain dairy - however, Jewish law states that if

the product has less than 1.5% dairy by volume, they may take special

measures to allow for the product to be labeled Pareve. From what I

understand, this scenario would be VERY unusual and that the majority of

Pareve products are dairy-free. If there is a U or K with a D following it,

the product either has dairy or was made on equipment that has processed

other dairy products. You will find that many margarines have no dairy

listed in the ingredients, but have a K with a D on the front of the

package. Don't buy this product until you have spoken with the product

manufacturer regarding its dairy content. You can visit

http://www.ou.org/kosher for some wonderful Kosher information, and to

subscribe to a Kosher list that alerts us to mislabeled Kosher foods.

By the way, Dr. Goldberg once told me that if you *have* to cheat, just

don't cheat on the milk. He told me that cow's milk is the one thing he

thinks these children will NEVER be able to have.

That's all for now. Good luck starting the diet... it is a challenge, but

the results we have seen have been totally worth it. You get used to it

after a while and it does get easier. I am still, however, waiting for

someone to breed a casein free cow!

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline:

Sorry to tell you this: The Murrays cookies are no linger dairy free...

They are now marked U D, which means they contain dairy.

Rice Krispies brand of treats also contain milk.

I believe the Little Debbie ones are still dairy free.

I make my own, using soy margarine.

Sorry to eliminate some favorite snacks, D

Rice Krispie Treats once in a great while

Murray sugar-free vanilla wafers from Wal-Mart

³

[Guest guest]

I Know that Little Debbie Rice Krispy squares used to be dairy free. Nature's

Valley hard ( not chewy) granola bars are also dairy free. Check for the U, but

I believe it is all the flavors. UI get the variety pack, and they are all

dairy free.

Try these cookies ( with or without carob chips, nuts).... I also top these

with a blob of sugar free jam, and sometimes also add ground flax seed for more

protein.

I also have a good muffin recipe , I will post it in the morning, if you like.

Have a great evening,

Chocolate Chip Cookies

Prep Time: 15 Minutes

Cook Time: 12 Minutes

Ready in: 50 Minutes

Be sure to use a heat-stable sugar substitute. Since the substitutes vary in

strength, use an amount equal to 3/4 cup regular sugar according to the

package.

1/2 cup soy margarine, softened

3/4 cup granulated artificial sweetener (I use splenda)

4 tablespoons water

1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract

1 egg, beaten

1 1/8 cups all-purpose flour

1/2 teaspoon baking soda

1/2 teaspoon salt

1/2 cup dairy free carob chips (health food store)

1/2 cup chopped pecans or peanuts, almonds, etc. (if desired)

Directions

1 Preheat oven to 375 degrees F (190 degrees C).

2 In a medium bowl, cream together the butter and sugar substitute. Mix in

water, vanilla, and egg. Stir together the flour, baking soda, and salt in

another bowl; stir into the creamed mixture. Mix in the chips and pecans.

Drop cookies by heaping teaspoonfuls onto a cookie sheet.

3 Bake in the preheated oven for 10 to 12 minutes. Remove from cookie sheets

to cool on wire racks. These cookies freeze well.

The tops do not brown like cookies made with milk- check bottoms for

brownness and look at tops consistency for doneness to your liking

These do not spread well- squish/spread them with a spoon if a flatter

cookie is desired

You can also use as a " sugar " cookie recipe- omit chips/pecans

I have also made these with all-purpose gluten free baking mix: same amount

as regular flour

Re: what to feed the kids

Dear ,

AAAAAAAAGH! Thanks for the tip on the Murray Wafers. We have always made

our own Rice Krispie treats, glad you mentioned that for those who might buy

them off the shelf.

What Little Debbie treats were you referring to? We're always looking for

new options.

Caroline

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Dear ,

AAAAAAAAGH! Thanks for the tip on the Murray Wafers. We have always made

our own Rice Krispie treats, glad you mentioned that for those who might buy

them off the shelf.

What Little Debbie treats were you referring to? We're always looking for

new options.

Caroline

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks so much for the tips and recipe! Glad to hear that they freeze well.

I'll have to try them.

Caroline

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to mention that there is a brand of cookies called " ph's " that

is sugar-free and dairy free. They're delicious. I believe they have a

website. For those in the Los Angeles area, the only place that I know of that

carries them is Gelson's.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Regarding milk: The " Do's and Don't's of the Diet " guidelines say not to give

them anything where milk is a " MAJOR " (Capitals are Dr. Goldberg's) ingredient.

I took that to mean that if milk or a milk product is listed as, say, the 12th

ingredient, it would be okay to give occasionally. Has anyone discussed this

with Dr. G.? I do occasionally give my son sugar-free cookies where milk is

way down the list, and haven't noticed any bad effects. I imagine it's

different for each child, though.

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/15/02 1:00:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

donnaaron@... writes:

> I believe they use a combination of sucralose (Splenda) and maltitol, which,

> like xylitol and sorbitol, is a sugar alcohol.

>

Don't those things feed yeast? When I used to have Candida overgrowth, I had

to stay away from all types of sugars including these and especially things

made from alcohol. At my worst, I couldn't handle any fruit and could barely

handle starchy stuff. I'm so glad those days are over.

Does anyone know if the no-sugar recommendation is only for yeast issues or

does sugar feed viruses as well?

I'm having a hard time finding Dr. G's diet dos & don'ts on his site again --

can't recall where I saw it last. Can anyone tell me what area to click on

to find it?

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

For special occasions, The Gluten-Free Pantry's Old Fashioned Cake & Cookie

Mix is a really good base for cakes and cookies. It does have a little bit

of sugar but not nearly as much as other cookies. I always use peanut butter

in place of shortening or butter and kids love it. I made both this kind and

regular Duncan Hines cake mix cup cakes at Curty's last birthday party and

people ate more of the peanut butter ones than the other ones. You can find

them online but I don't recall the site off-hand.

I also used to make alot of things from Sondra ' Allergy & Candidia

Cooking Made Easy. She uses alot of spices like cinnamon instead of sugar or

fruit and the treats are pretty good. She also uses Teff flour alot for

sweets since it is naturally sweet and needs no added sweetener. It does

have a kind of strong flavor so people tend to either love it or hate it.

Teff pancakes are wonderful with no topping and teff muffins are pretty good

too. I never tried teff cookies but they'd probably be good.

One of my best discoveries was if I cut raw cabbage into french-fry sized

pieces, my son loves to eat " cabbage fries " as a snack. The red cabbage is

his favorite but he likes green cabbage as well. He also likes chinese

cabbage cut in sticks like celery. Nuts are also a really good snack, high

in protien and essential fatty acids.

Does Dr. G's diet allow dried fruits? They can be kind of high in sugar but

one of our health food grocery stores sells some freeze dried mangos, bananas

and apples that seem lower in sugar and are really tastey. I think the brand

is " Just Fruit. "

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

> I believe they use a combination of sucralose (Splenda) and maltitol, which,

> like xylitol and sorbitol, is a sugar alcohol.

>

Don't those things feed yeast? When I used to have Candida overgrowth, I had

to stay away from all types of sugars including these and especially things

made from alcohol.

No, they don't. There have been several studies done on sugar alcohols -- they

actually retard yeast growth! The only concern about them is they can be very

laxative, so you don't want to overdo it . Sugar alcohols are not the same

wine or spirits, which are fermented and actually have yeasts in them.

I'm having a hard time finding Dr. G's diet dos & don'ts on his site again --

can't recall where I saw it last. Can anyone tell me what area to click on

to find it?

On the home page of www.nids.net, you should see a link to " The Do's and Don't's

of the Diet " . I believe it's somewhere near the bottom of the page.

[Guest guest]

>>There have been several studies done on sugar alcohols -- they actually retard

yeast growth!

Thanks Donna: You just made my whole week! I give my son things with sugar

alcohols in them occasionally, and was kind of

worried about them concerning yeast....Hurray!

D

[Guest guest]

,

Forgot to say I would love the muffin recipe. Thanks again for the cookie

recipe!

Caroline

>On 9/14/02 10:25 PM, " CJ Dir " <gstone98@...> wrote:

> I also have a good muffin recipe , I will post it in the morning, if you

> like.

> Have a great evening,

[Guest guest]

Donna,

This sounds like a great question for posting on " Ask Dr. Goldberg " , on the

website.

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Gaylen,

here is the link to the Diet Do's and Don;ts...

http://www.neuroimmunedr.com/Articles/Autism___PDD/Diet_/diet_.html

" The Do's and Don'ts say " Keep fruit consumption to two pieces of fruit a

day, this includes juice. Avoid strawberry, cherry, most " berries " as these

can be very allergic. "

I would assume that dried fruits have the same amount of sugar (per piece)

when dried. On the other hand, they are more concentrated. I don't know if

that could be a problem for some of our kids or not. Our son seems to do

fine with raisins and dried bananas.

Maybe someone else will chime in if they have ever run into a problem.

Caroline

>On 9/15/02 2:49 PM, " googahly@... " <googahly@...> wrote:

> Does Dr. G's diet allow dried fruits?

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline: I will send your recipe after I get my youngest 2 to bed...

Dakota has a problem with apples and grapes...(probably the phenols) - they make

him agitated. Cherry is out-turns his behind cherry red! (has since he was a

baby)

I do not give him juice, as he has yeast issues, and most processed juice sits

in vats exposed to molds and fermentation ( according to our nutritionist)

Most recipes can be adapted quite easily- I have found for my liking, it takes a

bit more soy milk than what the recipe calls for for milk, Splenda converts

equally.

Have a great week all! D

Re: what to feed the kids

Gaylen,

here is the link to the Diet Do's and Don;ts...

http://www.neuroimmunedr.com/Articles/Autism___PDD/Diet_/diet_.html

" The Do's and Don'ts say " Keep fruit consumption to two pieces of fruit a

day, this includes juice. Avoid strawberry, cherry, most " berries " as these

can be very allergic. "

I would assume that dried fruits have the same amount of sugar (per piece)

when dried. On the other hand, they are more concentrated. I don't know if

that could be a problem for some of our kids or not. Our son seems to do

fine with raisins and dried bananas.

Maybe someone else will chime in if they have ever run into a problem.

Caroline

>On 9/15/02 2:49 PM, " googahly@... " <googahly@...> wrote:

> Does Dr. G's diet allow dried fruits?

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[Guest guest]

Hi again, everyone,

Just wanted to say one more things about sugar alcohols, i.e., sorbitol,

xylitol, maltitol, etc Even though they are not sugars and in and of themselves

won't feed yeast, they ARE recognized by the body as carbohydrates, which as you

all know, are eventually broken down by the body into simple sugars just like

bread or pasta. So, although they are a lifesaver, we should still approach

them sparingly as we do other carbohydrates.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Good question about whether Dr. G. uses this protocal for viruses as

well as yeast. As for the yeast. What did you use to defeat the candida

problem? How long did it take?

Be Well, Gail

googahly@... wrote:

>  In a message dated 9/15/02 1:00:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

> donnaaron@... writes:

>  

>

> > I believe they use a combination of sucralose (Splenda) and

> maltitol, which,

> > like xylitol and sorbitol, is a sugar alcohol.

> >

>

> Don't those things feed yeast?  When I used to have Candida

> overgrowth, I had

> to stay away from all types of sugars including these and especially

> things

> made from alcohol.  At my worst, I couldn't handle any fruit and could

> barely

> handle starchy stuff.  I'm so glad those days are over.

>

> Does anyone know if the no-sugar recommendation is only for yeast

> issues or

> does sugar feed viruses as well?

>

> I'm having a hard time finding Dr. G's diet dos & don'ts on his site

> again --

> can't recall where I saw it last.  Can anyone tell me what area to

> click on

> to find it?

> Gaylen

>  

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question about whether Dr. G. uses this protocal for viruses as

well as yeast. As for the yeast. What did you use to defeat the candida

problem? How long did it take?

Be Well, Gail

googahly@... wrote:

>  In a message dated 9/15/02 1:00:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

> donnaaron@... writes:

>  

>

> > I believe they use a combination of sucralose (Splenda) and

> maltitol, which,

> > like xylitol and sorbitol, is a sugar alcohol.

> >

>

> Don't those things feed yeast?  When I used to have Candida

> overgrowth, I had

> to stay away from all types of sugars including these and especially

> things

> made from alcohol.  At my worst, I couldn't handle any fruit and could

> barely

> handle starchy stuff.  I'm so glad those days are over.

>

> Does anyone know if the no-sugar recommendation is only for yeast

> issues or

> does sugar feed viruses as well?

>

> I'm having a hard time finding Dr. G's diet dos & don'ts on his site

> again --

> can't recall where I saw it last.  Can anyone tell me what area to

> click on

> to find it?

> Gaylen

>  

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>I Know that Little Debbie Rice Krispy squares used to be dairy free.

Nature's Valley hard ( not chewy) granola bars are also dairy free. Check for

the U, but I believe it is all the flavors. UI get the variety pack, and they

are all dairy free.

If your kids are not sensitive to chocolate:

My son absolutely LOVES " Oreo " -type cookies and after doing an exhaustive

search, I've finally found a brand that does not contain diary: Mother's. The

package says " may contain traces of peanuts, nuts, eggs, and milk " because of

other cookies being manufactured in the same plant, but there is no dairy in the

ingredient list. They're sweetened with maltitol.

Donna

[Guest guest]

You might want to double check the mothers cookies. If I remember correctly

the only ones that don't contain whey are an oatmeal type, and one or two

others. Although we are not casein free...my son is not able to tolerate

things with whey, milk, cheese, butter, etc.

Trader Joes has an oreo type cooking that has no dairy.

Cheryl

>From: " Donnaaron " <donnaaron@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: what to feed the kids

>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:18:28 -0700

>

> >>>I Know that Little Debbie Rice Krispy squares used to be dairy free.

>Nature's Valley hard ( not chewy) granola bars are also dairy free. Check

>for the U, but I believe it is all the flavors. UI get the variety pack,

>and they are all dairy free.

>

>

>If your kids are not sensitive to chocolate:

>My son absolutely LOVES " Oreo " -type cookies and after doing an exhaustive

>search, I've finally found a brand that does not contain diary: Mother's.

>The package says " may contain traces of peanuts, nuts, eggs, and milk "

>because of other cookies being manufactured in the same plant, but there is

>no dairy in the ingredient list. They're sweetened with maltitol.

>Donna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i live in los angeles, and at whole foods market, there is lunch meats

without nitrites and also beef jerkey.

vicki in los angeles

[Guest guest]

hi donna, i too live in the los angeles area, fairfax district. lets keep in

touch.

vickila1@...