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Where do you buy this product and what did the doctor say it would help

with? Sounds interesting.

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>Subject: [ ] L-Carnosine

>Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 15:53:21 -0000

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>We just started my 4.10 y.o. son on Carn-aware (L-Carnosine)at the

>recommendation of his doctor and have seen some great things in a

>short period of time, (improved eye contact, better pronounciation

>of words). Does anyone else have their child on this product or

>know anything about this supplement?

>Cyndi

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My 4.11 yo dtr. is using carnosine. After the first few doses, we

got a BURST of new expressive language. However, after the first few

days, things have levelled off. I will continue using it, and just

observe the next few weeks to decide if it's a " keeper. "

> We just started my 4.10 y.o. son on Carn-aware (L-Carnosine)at the

> recommendation of his doctor and have seen some great things in a

> short period of time, (improved eye contact, better pronounciation

> of words). Does anyone else have their child on this product or

> know anything about this supplement?

> Cyndi

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Dr. Chez in Chicago is doing a study on it and I heard that some kids are

doing very well on it. I also heard that it makes some kids hyper.

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madelinemelissa@... writes:

<< com

I have had my son on Carnosine for 3 weeks or a little more and both

his teacher and aide have commented that he is becoming more verbal

with them. I haven't mentioned any changes to them. Maddie >>

**********what dose are you using, and how old is your child?

angela

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I have had my son on Carnosine for 3 weeks or a little more and both

his teacher and aide have commented that he is becoming more verbal

with them. I haven't mentioned any changes to them. Maddie

> Double-Blind, Placebo-controlled Study of L-carnosine

supplementation in children with autistic spectrum disorder

>

>

> G. CHez, M.D., Cathleen P. Buchanan, Ph.D.,

>

> L. Komen, M.A., Marina Becker, R.N.

>

> Objective: L-Carnosine is an amino acid dipeptide that may enhance

frontal lobe function. We therefore sought to investigate whether L-

Carnosine supplementation for children with Autistic Spectrum

Disorders (ASD) results in observable, objective changes in language

and/or behavior in contrast to placebo.

>

> Design/Methods: Thirty-one children (21 M, mean age= 7.45; range =

3.2-12.5 yrs )meeting inclusion criteria were enrolled in an 8 week

blinded trial of either 400 mg BID powdered L-Carnosine or placebo.

Children were assessed at a pediatric neurology clinic with the

Childhood Autism Rating Scale (CARS), the Gilliam Autism Rating

Scale (GARS), the Expressive and Receptive One-Word Picture

Vocabulary tests (E/ROWPVT), and biweekly parental Clinical Global

Impression of Change (CGI), at baseline and 8 week endpoint.

>

>

> Results: Children who were on placebo (n=17) did not show

statistically significant changes on any of the outcome measures.

After 8 weeks on L-Carnosine, children (n=14) showed statistically

significant improvements on the GARS total score, GARS Behavior,

Socialization, and Communication subscales, and the ROWPVT (all

p's<.05). EOWPVT and CARS showed trends in improvements, which were

supported by parental CGI.

>

>

> Conclusions: Oral supplementation with L-Carnosine resulted in

demonstrable improvements in autistic behaviors as well as increases

in language comprehension that reached statistical significance.

Although the mechanism of action of the amino acid is not well

understood, it is believed that it acts to modulate

neurotransmission and affect metal ion transfer of zinc and copper

in the entorhinal cortex. This may enhance neurological function or

act in a neuroprotective fashion.

>

>

>

>

>

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<<Thirty-one children (21 M, mean age= 7.45;  range = 3.2-12.5 yrs )meeting

inclusion criteria were enrolled in an 8 week blinded trial of either 400 mg

BID powdered L-Carnosine or placebo. >>

Does this mean that 31 children total were studied? Or were 31 children

given placebo and 31 given the real thing?

Thanks,

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Interesting information regarding L-carnosine and zinc....the combination is

being used as a treatment for peptic ulcers in Japan. The lonza group claims

to hold a patent on zinc/carnosine, but for what application, I have no idea.

Just thought this interesting in light of all the buzz on

carnosine/carn-aware.

www.lonzagroup.com

> > Lonza Inc., announced that the US Food and Drug Administration

has allowed the sale of Zinc-Carnosine, the subject of a new dietary

ingredient submission to the federal agency. Zinc-Carnosine is a patented

zinc-carnosine complex supported by abundant human and animal data. > >

>

> > > > >

Lonza has an exclusive distribution agreement to market the ingredient in

North America and Europe. Zinc-Carnosine or Polaprezinc (INN) has been used

in Japan for over a decade as an ulcer-healing drug. Hamari Chemicals

manufactures and holds the patents on this unique compound. Zinc-Carnosine

offers exceptional, “drug-like†patent protection, in that the molecule

itself is claimed. This provides Lonza’s strategic marketing partners

exceptional exclusivity.

Zinc-Carnosine is a coordination complex of zinc with the dipeptide

L-carnosine. “Zinc-Carnosine is a unique molecular entity, with biological

activity different than that of zinc mixed with carnosine,†offered

L. Almada, MSc, President and Chief Scientific Officer of IMAGINutrition. He

added, “We believe Zinc Carnosine’s data and intellectual property package

will usher in a new category of evidence-based dietary supplementsâ€.

Lonza Group is a Life Sciences driven chemical company headquartered in

Switzerland, with sales of CHF 2.5 billion in 2001 and operating 21

production and R & D facilities in 9 countries. It employs 6 400 people

worldwide and is the leading supplier of active chemical ingredients,

intermediates and biotechnology solutions to the pharmaceutical and

agrochemical industries. It also offers a broad catalogue of organic

intermediates for a wide range of applications such as pharmaceuticals,

agrochemicals, vitamins, food and feedstuff, dyes and pigments, adhesives and

fragrances. Furthermore the Group manufactures specialty biocides and

oleochemicals and develops and produces specific polymer intermediates,

unsaturated polyester-resins, compounds and composites. For more information

on Lonza Group please visit the company’s website at www.lonzagroup.com.

For further information please contact:

Murray

Lonza Inc.

Tel +1 678 445 3535

Fax +1 678 445 3611

<A HREF= " mailto:dmurray2@... " >dmurray2@...</A>

Liane Gentry Skye

<A HREF= " http://talkingwithpictures.com/ " >Talking With Pictures</A>

" nonverbal " does not have to mean " unable to communicate "

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My handwritten notes from DAN! Boston Pangborn's talk say that

carnosine pulls copper into the body. Does anyone have more info on this?

Please don't not try it because of my incomplete handwritten notes, but I

would love to know more clearly what carnosine does in the body.

Diane in NC

>From: " Prokofiew " <aprokofiew@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: [ ] L-carnosine

>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:28:37 -0700

>

>Double-Blind, Placebo-controlled Study of L-carnosine supplementation in

>children with autistic spectrum disorder

>

>

> G. CHez, M.D., Cathleen P. Buchanan, Ph.D.,

>

> L. Komen, M.A., Marina Becker, R.N.

>

>Objective: L-Carnosine is an amino acid dipeptide that may enhance frontal

>lobe function. We therefore sought to investigate whether L-Carnosine

>supplementation for children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders (ASD) results

>in observable, objective changes in language and/or behavior in contrast to

>placebo.

>

>Design/Methods: Thirty-one children (21 M, mean age= 7.45; range = 3.2-12.5

>yrs )meeting inclusion criteria were enrolled in an 8 week blinded trial of

>either 400 mg BID powdered L-Carnosine or placebo. Children were assessed

>at a pediatric neurology clinic with the Childhood Autism Rating Scale

>(CARS), the Gilliam Autism Rating Scale (GARS), the Expressive and

>Receptive One-Word Picture Vocabulary tests (E/ROWPVT), and biweekly

>parental Clinical Global Impression of Change (CGI), at baseline and 8 week

>endpoint.

>

>

>Results: Children who were on placebo (n=17) did not show statistically

>significant changes on any of the outcome measures. After 8 weeks on

>L-Carnosine, children (n=14) showed statistically significant improvements

>on the GARS total score, GARS Behavior, Socialization, and Communication

>subscales, and the ROWPVT (all p's<.05). EOWPVT and CARS showed trends in

>improvements, which were supported by parental CGI.

>

>

>Conclusions: Oral supplementation with L-Carnosine resulted in demonstrable

>improvements in autistic behaviors as well as increases in language

>comprehension that reached statistical significance. Although the mechanism

>of action of the amino acid is not well understood, it is believed that it

>acts to modulate neurotransmission and affect metal ion transfer of zinc

>and copper in the entorhinal cortex. This may enhance neurological function

>or act in a neuroprotective fashion.

>

>

>

>

>

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I actually have my son on L-Histidine which the body uses to make L-

Carnosine. It is cheaper and less potent. I heard that L-Carnosine

could cause hyperactivity so I started with the lesser of the two

although I have a bottle of L-Carnosine that I plan to use when my

Histidine runs out.

Dosing - I give 500 mg L-Histidine twice a day on an empty (or the

best we can do) tummy. Because Carn-aware has Selenium and Vitamin

E (am I remembering this right?) I also give him these. I can't be

sure it is helping him, I have also recently started giving him Milk

Thistle 3x day instead of 1x, but I must say we have had a very

smooth time in the last 10 days or so. Maddie

> In a message dated 10/15/02 6:14:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> madelinemelissa@y... writes:

>

> << com

>

> I have had my son on Carnosine for 3 weeks or a little more and

both

> his teacher and aide have commented that he is becoming more

verbal

> with them. I haven't mentioned any changes to them. Maddie >>

> **********what dose are you using, and how old is your child?

> angela

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Diane,

does this mean if you already have to much copper or copper is very high then L

carnosine would be a bad idea.? Anyone I would love the answer.

Kathy

Diane Ritchie wrote:

> My handwritten notes from DAN! Boston Pangborn's talk say that

> carnosine pulls copper into the body. Does anyone have more info on this?

> Please don't not try it because of my incomplete handwritten notes, but I

> would love to know more clearly what carnosine does in the body.

> Diane in NC

>

> >From: " Prokofiew " <aprokofiew@...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: [ ] L-carnosine

> >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:28:37 -0700

> >

> >Double-Blind, Placebo-controlled Study of L-carnosine supplementation in

> >children with autistic spectrum disorder

> >

> >

> > G. CHez, M.D., Cathleen P. Buchanan, Ph.D.,

> >

> > L. Komen, M.A., Marina Becker, R.N.

> >

> >Objective: L-Carnosine is an amino acid dipeptide that may enhance frontal

> >lobe function. We therefore sought to investigate whether L-Carnosine

> >supplementation for children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders (ASD) results

> >in observable, objective changes in language and/or behavior in contrast to

> >placebo.

> >

> >Design/Methods: Thirty-one children (21 M, mean age= 7.45; range = 3.2-12.5

> >yrs )meeting inclusion criteria were enrolled in an 8 week blinded trial of

> >either 400 mg BID powdered L-Carnosine or placebo. Children were assessed

> >at a pediatric neurology clinic with the Childhood Autism Rating Scale

> >(CARS), the Gilliam Autism Rating Scale (GARS), the Expressive and

> >Receptive One-Word Picture Vocabulary tests (E/ROWPVT), and biweekly

> >parental Clinical Global Impression of Change (CGI), at baseline and 8 week

> >endpoint.

> >

> >

> >Results: Children who were on placebo (n=17) did not show statistically

> >significant changes on any of the outcome measures. After 8 weeks on

> >L-Carnosine, children (n=14) showed statistically significant improvements

> >on the GARS total score, GARS Behavior, Socialization, and Communication

> >subscales, and the ROWPVT (all p's<.05). EOWPVT and CARS showed trends in

> >improvements, which were supported by parental CGI.

> >

> >

> >Conclusions: Oral supplementation with L-Carnosine resulted in demonstrable

> >improvements in autistic behaviors as well as increases in language

> >comprehension that reached statistical significance. Although the mechanism

> >of action of the amino acid is not well understood, it is believed that it

> >acts to modulate neurotransmission and affect metal ion transfer of zinc

> >and copper in the entorhinal cortex. This may enhance neurological function

> >or act in a neuroprotective fashion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dr. Chez said in his study that he used 400mg two times a day in his sample.

Are you finding that is too much? i just ordered the Carn-Aware and am

anxious to try it but do not know what dosage. My daughter weighs 32 pounds.

Thanks-

Keri

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Actually, carnosine is made up of histidine and alanine. Some prefer

histidine over carnosine because they believe it is the beneficial

half and because they also believe it is the alanine that causes some

kids to be hyper on carnosine. We started on carnosine, and he

did get a little jumpy, and slightly more talkative. When we

switched to histidine, he didn't back pedal on talkative, but he did

dial it down a notch or two on his jumpiness.

Also, I have heard that carnosine pulls copper out of the body, not

into the body. This is more of an issue for Andy to chime in on...

Max in VA

> > In a message dated 10/15/02 6:14:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> > madelinemelissa@y... writes:

> >

> > << com

> >

> > I have had my son on Carnosine for 3 weeks or a little more and

> both

> > his teacher and aide have commented that he is becoming more

> verbal

> > with them. I haven't mentioned any changes to them. Maddie >>

> > **********what dose are you using, and how old is your child?

> > angela

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Do you give the same doseage of histidine as carnosine? My 6 yr old

son is up to 125 mg 2x/day of carnosine. I truely love this stuff but

he is a little more " energetic. " I might want to try switching to the

histidine once we've used the carnosine up.

>

> Actually, carnosine is made up of histidine and alanine. Some

prefer

> histidine over carnosine because they believe it is the beneficial

> half and because they also believe it is the alanine that causes

some

> kids to be hyper on carnosine. We started on carnosine, and

he

> did get a little jumpy, and slightly more talkative. When we

> switched to histidine, he didn't back pedal on talkative, but he

did

> dial it down a notch or two on his jumpiness.

>

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Yes, we went from 500mg of carnosine per day, divided into three

doses, to 500mg of histidine per day, again divided into three

doses. We order the histidine from www.cfsn.com, by the way.

Max in VA

> >

> > Actually, carnosine is made up of histidine and alanine. Some

> prefer

> > histidine over carnosine because they believe it is the

beneficial

> > half and because they also believe it is the alanine that causes

> some

> > kids to be hyper on carnosine. We started on carnosine, and

> he

> > did get a little jumpy, and slightly more talkative. When we

> > switched to histidine, he didn't back pedal on talkative, but he

> did

> > dial it down a notch or two on his jumpiness.

> >

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In a message dated 10/17/02 7:09:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

msalinas@... writes:

<<

> I actually have my son on L-Histidine which the body uses to make L-

> Carnosine. It is cheaper and less potent. I heard that L-

Carnosine

> could cause hyperactivity so I started with the lesser of the two

> although I have a bottle of L-Carnosine that I plan to use when my

> Histidine runs out.

> Dosing - I give 500 mg L-Histidine twice a day on an empty (or the

> best we can do) tummy. Because Carn-aware has Selenium and Vitamin

> E (am I remembering this right?) I also give him these. I can't be

> sure it is helping him, I have also recently started giving him

Milk

>>

hi thanks for your response. Are you giving anyother supplements like folic

acid and b-12?

I did just buy the Carnosine, it is expensive, almost 50. 00 at the health

food store. My son is on the hyperactive side too, so I am a little worried

to try it.

angela

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You can give up to 20 mg of histidine per pound of kid. You should

start at 1 or 2 mg per pound and work your way up to find the point

where you get the best response.

Andy . .. . . . .. . . . . . .

> Do you give the same doseage of histidine as carnosine? My 6 yr old

> son is up to 125 mg 2x/day of carnosine. I truely love this stuff

but

> he is a little more " energetic. " I might want to try switching to

the

> histidine once we've used the carnosine up.

>

>

> >

> > Actually, carnosine is made up of histidine and alanine. Some

> prefer

> > histidine over carnosine because they believe it is the beneficial

> > half and because they also believe it is the alanine that causes

> some

> > kids to be hyper on carnosine. We started on carnosine, and

> he

> > did get a little jumpy, and slightly more talkative. When we

> > switched to histidine, he didn't back pedal on talkative, but he

> did

> > dial it down a notch or two on his jumpiness.

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I did just buy the Carnosine, it is expensive, almost 50. 00 at the health

food store. My son is on the hyperactive side too, so I am a little worried

to try it.

angela

You can buy carnosine for much less at www.beyondacentury.com It comes in

powder form, so you'd have to measure out the doses by yourself.

Sheryl

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Carn-aware site is www.carn-aware.com. Here is another piece I found.

Valeri

Autism Breakthrough

By Dr. Breen

Chicago

Monday, October 07, 2002

10:03 AM

There has been a major

breakthrough in the treatment of autism. A supplement

that you can get at health food stores

has been shown to make a major difference. Dr. Breen reports the

details.

Parents with autistic

children are saying that a natural compound in a

person's body called carnosine have helped their

kids. Carnosine combines with transmitters deep in the brain.

Rose Stodola a mother of autistic child said, " Almost immediately within the

first week I noticed a change. "

" The gym teacher came up to me and said my gosh he's like a different

child, " added Maureen Sieger.

Four-year-old

Stodola would not talk to anybody. But then he took

carnosine and there was a noticeable

change. (Nick shakes Dr.

Breen's hand.)

Dr. Chez found that

kind of change was typical for 80 percent of these and

other autistic children. Some jumped

eight months in their

reading scores and their behavior also changed. He

said, " Response time, and eye contact and

social awareness improved, play skills improved as a general rule. "

What's really exciting is

because carnosine works by stabilizing and protecting

brain cells and helping patients like

may be just the beginning.

Carnosine may help patients

with Alzheimer's, an illness similar to autism and it

has already helped some Alzheimer

patients. Carnosine's also

helped some other children. Dr. Chez said, " We've had

parents report improved reading skills

with dyslexic tendencies...just improved test scores with kids who've had

borderline attention disorder. "

Soon other parents may have the same reaction ' have. " Carnoware and

Dr.

Chez have given us our son back, "

said Stodola.

Dr. Breen says some non-autistic adults claim carnosine makes them

more alert and improves their memory.

Dr. Chez

Autism and Epilepsy Center

Lake Bluff, IL

847-735-0300

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can i ask you about brainchild nutritionals? how are you getting your child

to take the vitamins? my daughter fights me alot on them! they are no better

tasting than the super nu thera! the minerals are easy to hide! keri

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Are we giving other supplements? Boy... do we ever!

's primary source of folic acid and B-12 actually comes from the

BrainChild Nutritionals Spectrum Support II we give him. In addition

to this he gets a bunch of other stuff, e.g. C, E, Milk Thistle, NAG,

Citramin II, Calcium, Zinc, Magnesium Glycinate, Idebenone, Chelation

Pro Aid Support, Glutamine, Melatonin, probiotics, enzymes, nystatin

(for the next couple of months), Bethanochol, calcium butyrate, alpha-

keto glutarate, and maybe a couple of others that I don't recall at

the moment.

The dosing seems pretty daunting at first, but it's not as bad as it

sounds. My parents will be watching next weekend while DW and I

go to the San Diego DAN!, and they're a little intimadated, but a

prep visit this weekend will hopefully soothe their worries.

Max in VA

> In a message dated 10/17/02 7:09:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> msalinas@y... writes:

>

> <<

> > I actually have my son on L-Histidine which the body uses to

make L-

> > Carnosine. It is cheaper and less potent. I heard that L-

> Carnosine

> > could cause hyperactivity so I started with the lesser of the

two

> > although I have a bottle of L-Carnosine that I plan to use when

my

> > Histidine runs out.

> > Dosing - I give 500 mg L-Histidine twice a day on an empty (or

the

> > best we can do) tummy. Because Carn-aware has Selenium and

Vitamin

> > E (am I remembering this right?) I also give him these. I can't

be

> > sure it is helping him, I have also recently started giving him

> Milk

> >>

> hi thanks for your response. Are you giving anyother supplements

like folic

> acid and b-12?

> I did just buy the Carnosine, it is expensive, almost 50. 00 at

the health

> food store. My son is on the hyperactive side too, so I am a little

worried

> to try it.

> angela

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