Re: Questions-

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In a message dated 7/3/00 1:35:26 AM Central Daylight Time,

sindea@... writes:

<< First- what are the typical 4yr immunizations? My son goes in for his 4yr

check up next month... And please tell me the pros and cons of them, or

point me in the right direction please!

>>

My son is also four, and I think he will be " due " for an MMR and a DTaP. He

will get neither. Hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

: Wish I knew for sure and could help you more! Ashli's JRA started

with her complaining of legs/knees hurting and limping after a few weeks.

Doc thought it was an infection in the joint, which happens, and put her on

antibiotics. After a few weeks, no changes and blood work showed elevated

Sed. Rate. Ashli's always been RH negative, also. Keep on the doctors, Keep

a detailed daily log (helps you and doctors at appts.)

Prays with you,

Sandi A. (Ashli's mom)

[Guest guest]

Yo may fool some here but I know you love being graphic!! Especially

in Shoney's :?) LOL

Hugs,

Debbie/FL

> Kat,

>

> This may sound gross but I don't know how else to say it. When I

had my

> bleeds I had extreme fatigue. (Worse than normal that day) I had

a BM that

> was black and tarry looking. I never vomitted blood. Hope this

info helps.

> (Sorry to be so graphic but that's the only way I know how to tell

you what

> happened.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Debbie,

We second that..... is quite graphic.... but we love you

Cheryl & Randy

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad to hear from you. I have been worried. Yes I can be graphic.

Hope life's been treating you well. E-mail me directly some times.

[Guest guest]

The feeling is mutual. Hope life is still lovely in those hills of West VA.

I'm really going to come visit you guys sometime. Get my room ready.

[Guest guest]

>

>I'm chiming in here because I wanted to mention that of my twin

>boys, one is autistic and the other has nephrotic syndrome,

Oh! Can I ask about this? I hope you don't find me

nosey. I have a good friend whose child has both autism

and nephrotic syndrome. Her son as diagnosed this last year

with it when he started spilling blood into his urine.

I mentioned to her that I found it an interesting thing considering

her autoimmune history (she had cancer) Is your son doing okay

now?

What I really found fascinating was that her son made

some social and language leaps (he is older-10) while

taking prednisone to treat the kidney condition. Since

she wasn't doing anything " different " (biomedicals, ABA, etc)

I believe her when she attributes it to the prednisone.

Have others on this list used prednisone with their children?

A.C.

[Guest guest]

Jon,

I hadn't really looked at Rasmussen's, other than reading the paper they

have on the Yale website. I did a search yesterday and found some

interesting things in the new research. Some mention the cytokines and

immune activation which are now discussed in every brain disorder. Others

are now beginning to mention viruses. One discussed how the brain cells

they are looking at have the appearance normally connected with some type of

virus.

Some disorders may or may not have a viral component, but it's interesting

to see viruses mentioned in so many disorders now. Even Alzheimers which

was connected to aluminum alot in the earlier research. Now most of the

research is discussing the inflammation and treatments to address that. One

of the most recent abstracts I posted was on findings of elevated

herpesvirus in brain tissue. In other research like schizophrenia they

focus on infections, but like in other disorders are also looking at genetic

retrovirus activation in brain tissue.

The reason for pushing the research on the immune modulators is because it

isn't the toxin, virus, retrovirus, etc. that is causing the dysfunction

and/or damage, it's how the immune system is responding. People who have a

normally functioning immune system (different HLA & other genes) can be

exposed to the same things without any adverse effect. What the immune

modulators do is address the imbalance. They have the unique ability to

balance the immune system rather than stimulating or suppressing certain

parts. This post has an example of the type of med we are discussing.

Depending on funding...I believe there are around a half dozen that are

already developed and could go into trial.

/message/6457

Cheryl

>From: " Jon " <jerseybean@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: Questions-

>Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:23:28 +0100

>

>Hi Cheryl,

>

>I don't know if the Rasmussen mentioned in your other post today is

>anything to do with Rasmussen's encephalopathy but you might find it

>interesting to check out. I'd be interested in what you might have to say

>about it, it certainly would qualify as and generally only effects one

>hemisphere.

>

>Reading between the lines it would seem as if the anti-oxidative and detox

>defences are not entirely absent but rather are being switched off by

>excess cytokines.

>

>From the first of the two posts is this:

>

> " Neopterin is a metabolite produced during the utilization of guanosine

>triphosphate, and increased production of neopterin is associated with

>macrophage activation by IFN gamma (174, 175). Neopterin is a presumed

>primate homolog of nitric oxide, which activated guanylate cyclase and is

>involved in neurotransmission, vasodilation, neurotoxicity, inhibition of

>platelet aggregation, the antiproliferative action of cytokines, and

>reduction of oxidative stress (176, 177). Neopterin derivatives belong to

>the cytotoxic arsenal of the activated human macrophage and, in high doses,

>enhance oxidative stress through enhancement of radical-mediated effector

>functions and programmed cell death by TNF-alpha, while having an opposite

>effect at low doses (176, 178). "

>

> It is clear that the reported elevations of such as TNF-a could well

>explain the numerous detox/anti-oxidative deficiencies. How else would you

>successfully programme cell death? I do agree with what you are saying but

>maintain that there is still room for mercury to push the process along

>that bit further.

>

>I'm curious if there is any form of specification for the ideal immune

>modulator? The concept seems great but the term could be applied to almost

>anything that influences the immune system. I presume it is not an immune

>suppressant per se, and also that it is not an immune stimulant. Perhaps

>there are a few targets requiring a few different modulators, I'm just

>trying to get a better handle on it.

>

>Jon.

>

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You can be as nosey as you like A.C. :-) Thanks for sharing that, the nephrotic

syndrome is under control thankfully. One surprise for you is that they used to

treat it with wild measles before they accidentally discovered steroids did the

trick (for most). I'd be interested in finding out some more, and more

particularly if it was literally blood in the urine or if it was albumin? There

certainly is good reason to suspect that the steroid helped with the symptoms of

autism, but it is also fair to say that there are risks associated with their

use. I have had family round tonight but tomorrow I will try and post some info

that your friend might find of interest.

Jon.

Re: Questions-

>

>I'm chiming in here because I wanted to mention that of my twin

>boys, one is autistic and the other has nephrotic syndrome,

Oh! Can I ask about this? I hope you don't find me

nosey. I have a good friend whose child has both autism

and nephrotic syndrome. Her son as diagnosed this last year

with it when he started spilling blood into his urine.

I mentioned to her that I found it an interesting thing considering

her autoimmune history (she had cancer) Is your son doing okay

now?

What I really found fascinating was that her son made

some social and language leaps (he is older-10) while

taking prednisone to treat the kidney condition. Since

she wasn't doing anything " different " (biomedicals, ABA, etc)

I believe her when she attributes it to the prednisone.

Have others on this list used prednisone with their children?

A.C.

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HI , I think you are having the 4 week freak out.

Have you checked out Skwigg's website? She has a whole post on

this. I think you should follow BFL for the first 12 weeks as it is

laid out (an honest effort) and see what happens. Not everyone has a

miraculous transformation in 12 weeks, but you will see results. It

can take a few challenges in a row to acheive the results you want,

remember this is for life.

If you add in all the extra cardio you will likely overtrain and

burn out (depending on how much you were exercising before & what

you are used to). If you do an all out effort HIIT cardio session,

it will be tough to add in more unless you are an advanced

exerciser. But it can't hurt to do fun activities in your spare

time like yoga, playing tennis/badminton, going for a swim, walk,

hike, whatever. Instead of adding up the minutes on these extras,

just try to be as active as you can within reason.

It can't really hurt to track things, but why not wait to see how

the first 12 weeks go? I think it is better to be able to eat

wihtout all the tracking, otherwise you can't live/eat normally

without a PDA in your hands. I have had to wean myself off of the

fitday fix. lol

I agree - absolutely no alcohol, that is a good move because it can

completely stall fat loss. Adding some extra abs won't hurt as long

as you rest them every other day. There is an ab boot camp in the

files section that can give you some ideas.

Changing your exercises is also ok if you feel you are adapting

(don't have sore muscles the next day is a good way to tell).

Definitely choose different cardio machines/methods, don't stick to

just one type of HIIT. Our bodies adapt so that is a good way to

scare the fat off.

>

> So, I just finished my fourth week and I have seen very little

> change. My measurements are not really moving and the scale has

only

> gone down three pounds (however, my quasi-BF says I look much

thinner

> and my boobs are shrinking! The one part I don't want to have fat

> loss. Oh the humanity!!). So for the next 8 weeks I have made a

few

> decisions:

>

> 1.) 2 cheat meals a week instead of a " free day. " I just feel

> disgusting after I take an entire day.

>

> 2.) I want to follow the eating for life program on Ediets because

I

> feel like that will help me control my calories better (and I find

> fitday completely mind numbing). What do you guys think about

that? I

> mean, I would try to pick the options that were more authorized

than

> not.

>

> 3.) To increase cardio. 20-30 minutes on weight days and 45

minutes

> on a free day (of course this includes things like walking,

hiking,

> etc.)

>

> 4.) No alcohol of any kind.

>

> 5.) Try to work abs 2-3 times a week.

>

> 6.) Change up my exercises

>

> What do you guys think?? especially about the ediets/efl thing. I

> could really use some input on that. I want to get down to 15% bf

OR

> BUST!!

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. But I'm so close to giving up and trying something else. I

have been gaining weight these last two weeks and it isn't muscle. I

look bigger than I have in a long time and I feel horrible. I'm so

depressed about this program and I have no idea how to pull myself

out of it. I'm just afraid that by the end of twelve weeks I'm going

to look like a line backer. Sigh....Maybe 6 meals isn't for me. IS

possible I have a permanently fucked up metabolism?? I've only had

one liberal free day this program and the rest has been free meals.

I just feel awful (I also have stuff happening personally too which

makes me feel like @ss). Any advice would help.

Steph

In , " "

wrote:

>

> HI , I think you are having the 4 week freak out.

>

> Have you checked out Skwigg's website? She has a whole post on

> this. I think you should follow BFL for the first 12 weeks as it

is

> laid out (an honest effort) and see what happens. Not everyone has

a

> miraculous transformation in 12 weeks, but you will see results.

It

> can take a few challenges in a row to acheive the results you

want,

> remember this is for life.

>

> If you add in all the extra cardio you will likely overtrain and

> burn out (depending on how much you were exercising before & what

> you are used to). If you do an all out effort HIIT cardio

session,

> it will be tough to add in more unless you are an advanced

> exerciser. But it can't hurt to do fun activities in your spare

> time like yoga, playing tennis/badminton, going for a swim, walk,

> hike, whatever. Instead of adding up the minutes on these extras,

> just try to be as active as you can within reason.

>

> It can't really hurt to track things, but why not wait to see how

> the first 12 weeks go? I think it is better to be able to eat

> wihtout all the tracking, otherwise you can't live/eat normally

> without a PDA in your hands. I have had to wean myself off of the

> fitday fix. lol

>

> I agree - absolutely no alcohol, that is a good move because it

can

> completely stall fat loss. Adding some extra abs won't hurt as

long

> as you rest them every other day. There is an ab boot camp in the

> files section that can give you some ideas.

>

> Changing your exercises is also ok if you feel you are adapting

> (don't have sore muscles the next day is a good way to tell).

> Definitely choose different cardio machines/methods, don't stick

to

> just one type of HIIT. Our bodies adapt so that is a good way to

> scare the fat off.

>

>

> >

> > So, I just finished my fourth week and I have seen very little

> > change. My measurements are not really moving and the scale has

> only

> > gone down three pounds (however, my quasi-BF says I look much

> thinner

> > and my boobs are shrinking! The one part I don't want to have

fat

> > loss. Oh the humanity!!). So for the next 8 weeks I have made a

> few

> > decisions:

> >

> > 1.) 2 cheat meals a week instead of a " free day. " I just feel

> > disgusting after I take an entire day.

> >

> > 2.) I want to follow the eating for life program on Ediets

because

> I

> > feel like that will help me control my calories better (and I

find

> > fitday completely mind numbing). What do you guys think about

> that? I

> > mean, I would try to pick the options that were more authorized

> than

> > not.

> >

> > 3.) To increase cardio. 20-30 minutes on weight days and 45

> minutes

> > on a free day (of course this includes things like walking,

> hiking,

> > etc.)

> >

> > 4.) No alcohol of any kind.

> >

> > 5.) Try to work abs 2-3 times a week.

> >

> > 6.) Change up my exercises

> >

> > What do you guys think?? especially about the ediets/efl thing.

I

> > could really use some input on that. I want to get down to 15%

bf

> OR

> > BUST!!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What does your diet look like . Believe me, the 6 meals will HELP your

metabolism. Don't be discouraged! We can help you!

stephanie wrote: Thanks. But I'm so close to

giving up and trying something else. I

have been gaining weight these last two weeks and it isn't muscle. I

look bigger than I have in a long time and I feel horrible. I'm so

depressed about this program and I have no idea how to pull myself

out of it. I'm just afraid that by the end of twelve weeks I'm going

to look like a line backer. Sigh....Maybe 6 meals isn't for me. IS

possible I have a permanently fucked up metabolism?? I've only had

one liberal free day this program and the rest has been free meals.

I just feel awful (I also have stuff happening personally too which

makes me feel like @ss). Any advice would help.

Steph

In , " "

wrote:

>

> HI , I think you are having the 4 week freak out.

>

> Have you checked out Skwigg's website? She has a whole post on

> this. I think you should follow BFL for the first 12 weeks as it

is

> laid out (an honest effort) and see what happens. Not everyone has

a

> miraculous transformation in 12 weeks, but you will see results.

It

> can take a few challenges in a row to acheive the results you

want,

> remember this is for life.

>

> If you add in all the extra cardio you will likely overtrain and

> burn out (depending on how much you were exercising before & what

> you are used to). If you do an all out effort HIIT cardio

session,

> it will be tough to add in more unless you are an advanced

> exerciser. But it can't hurt to do fun activities in your spare

> time like yoga, playing tennis/badminton, going for a swim, walk,

> hike, whatever. Instead of adding up the minutes on these extras,

> just try to be as active as you can within reason.

>

> It can't really hurt to track things, but why not wait to see how

> the first 12 weeks go? I think it is better to be able to eat

> wihtout all the tracking, otherwise you can't live/eat normally

> without a PDA in your hands. I have had to wean myself off of the

> fitday fix. lol

>

> I agree - absolutely no alcohol, that is a good move because it

can

> completely stall fat loss. Adding some extra abs won't hurt as

long

> as you rest them every other day. There is an ab boot camp in the

> files section that can give you some ideas.

>

> Changing your exercises is also ok if you feel you are adapting

> (don't have sore muscles the next day is a good way to tell).

> Definitely choose different cardio machines/methods, don't stick

to

> just one type of HIIT. Our bodies adapt so that is a good way to

> scare the fat off.

>

>

> >

> > So, I just finished my fourth week and I have seen very little

> > change. My measurements are not really moving and the scale has

> only

> > gone down three pounds (however, my quasi-BF says I look much

> thinner

> > and my boobs are shrinking! The one part I don't want to have

fat

> > loss. Oh the humanity!!). So for the next 8 weeks I have made a

> few

> > decisions:

> >

> > 1.) 2 cheat meals a week instead of a " free day. " I just feel

> > disgusting after I take an entire day.

> >

> > 2.) I want to follow the eating for life program on Ediets

because

> I

> > feel like that will help me control my calories better (and I

find

> > fitday completely mind numbing). What do you guys think about

> that? I

> > mean, I would try to pick the options that were more authorized

> than

> > not.

> >

> > 3.) To increase cardio. 20-30 minutes on weight days and 45

> minutes

> > on a free day (of course this includes things like walking,

> hiking,

> > etc.)

> >

> > 4.) No alcohol of any kind.

> >

> > 5.) Try to work abs 2-3 times a week.

> >

> > 6.) Change up my exercises

> >

> > What do you guys think?? especially about the ediets/efl thing.

I

> > could really use some input on that. I want to get down to 15%

bf

> OR

> > BUST!!

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

How big are your meals? What are you eating? Are you hungry?

You should feel physically hungry and ready to eat something every 2-3

hours. If not, you know your portions are too big or too calorie

dense. Remember, these aren't " meals " in the traditional sense. They

should only be about 200-250 cals each, and your carb portions should

be mostly fruits and vegetables.

Also, in your last message, you said you lost 3 pounds, your boobs are

vanishing and somebody said you look much thinner. And now a few hours

later, you've been gaining weight for weeks and you're entering

" linebacker " territory. You did read about The 4-Week Freakout right?

http://www.skwigg.com/id40.html

You seem to be having the classic meltdown. For some lucky women, the

4-week freakout and PMS week coincide and cause you to feel like a

huge sobbing slug. At 4 weeks into my first challenge I had lost NO

weight and was borderline hysterical. I still hit 15% body fat in that

challenge. I wouldn't have if I'd quit. Check out the BFL Lady Success

document in the club files section. It's a collection of posts from

women who didn't see changes until 6-8 weeks in and then had major

results.

All of the planned changes you listed sound good, especially the one

about alcohol. It can totally stop your progress.

I'm a member of the Eating for Life plan on e-diets. I don't use it

much but it's cool for stealing meal ideas. If you think it will help

you, go for it.

> Thanks. But I'm so close to giving up and trying something else. I

> have been gaining weight these last two weeks and it isn't muscle. I

> look bigger than I have in a long time and I feel horrible. I'm so

> depressed about this program and I have no idea how to pull myself

> out of it. I'm just afraid that by the end of twelve weeks I'm going

> to look like a line backer. Sigh....Maybe 6 meals isn't for me. IS

> possible I have a permanently fucked up metabolism?? I've only had

> one liberal free day this program and the rest has been free meals.

> I just feel awful (I also have stuff happening personally too which

> makes me feel like @ss). Any advice would help.

>

> Steph

[Guest guest]

No, I haven't been hungry which makes me think that my meals may be

too big. That's why I thought the Eating for life on the Ediets

might be the way to go. That way at least I know I'm eating within a

certain calorie range.

I definitely have all the signs of the 4 week freak out. Also, these

past four weeks have really been a learning curve. I've realized

that my body feels gross when I eat badly and really good when I

don't. I'm not going to give up, but I'm going to start being way

more vigilant about portion size.

Thank you so much for your support. I was about to have a massive

meltdown.

> > Thanks. But I'm so close to giving up and trying something else.

I

> > have been gaining weight these last two weeks and it isn't

muscle. I

> > look bigger than I have in a long time and I feel horrible. I'm

so

> > depressed about this program and I have no idea how to pull

myself

> > out of it. I'm just afraid that by the end of twelve weeks I'm

going

> > to look like a line backer. Sigh....Maybe 6 meals isn't for me.

IS

> > possible I have a permanently fucked up metabolism?? I've only

had

> > one liberal free day this program and the rest has been free

meals.

> > I just feel awful (I also have stuff happening personally too

which

> > makes me feel like @ss). Any advice would help.

> >

> > Steph

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , most everyone goes through what you are going through

right now. Hang in there and 'fake it' until you make it!

Do you have goals that aren't based on the scale? Goals you can

actually control? Sometimes we are unrealistic with our

expectations about how quickly our bodies will react to the program,

and how much weight & fat we will lose. I know I fell into that

camp.

Instead set goals you can control and reward yourself when you meet

them:

- I will do HIIT 3X week

- I will do weights 3X week

- I will eat 6 small properly proportioned meals each day

- I will drink 12 glasses of water/day etc etc.

If you meet your goals, then reward yourself by buying a new workout

outfit, or getting your nails done, or having a relaxing bath with

bubbles, etc.

Focus on the things you can control, the rest will fall into place.

By the way, I've only lost about 4 lbs in 2.5 challenges, but my bf

% went from 25 to 16.

And do post your meals, everyone will be happy to critique and

provide advice.

>>>>>> No, I haven't been hungry which makes me think that my meals

may be

> too big. That's why I thought the Eating for life on the Ediets

> might be the way to go. That way at least I know I'm eating within

a

> certain calorie range.

>

> I definitely have all the signs of the 4 week freak out. Also,

these

> past four weeks have really been a learning curve. I've realized

> that my body feels gross when I eat badly and really good when I

> don't. I'm not going to give up, but I'm going to start being way

> more vigilant about portion size.

>

> Thank you so much for your support. I was about to have a massive

> meltdown.

>

>

>

> > > Thanks. But I'm so close to giving up and trying something

else.

> I

> > > have been gaining weight these last two weeks and it isn't

> muscle. I

> > > look bigger than I have in a long time and I feel horrible.

I'm

> so

> > > depressed about this program and I have no idea how to pull

> myself

> > > out of it. I'm just afraid that by the end of twelve weeks I'm

> going

> > > to look like a line backer. Sigh....Maybe 6 meals isn't for

me.

> IS

> > > possible I have a permanently fucked up metabolism?? I've only

> had

> > > one liberal free day this program and the rest has been free

> meals.

> > > I just feel awful (I also have stuff happening personally too

> which

> > > makes me feel like @ss). Any advice would help.

> > >

> > > Steph

> >

>