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It's tough, I know, but you could try tying socks on her hands each time she

scratches and leaving them on for 5 to10 minutes (long enough for her to

recognize you have a way of preventing her until she can recognize you as

ultimate authority and accept a " no-nonsense " look or tone from you), then

giving a second chance ...

Once this happens over and over again, she may decide against having those

socks tied onto her hands and doing what caused that reaction to happen,

perhaps.

If socks seem too harsh, what about gloves?

When my daughter tantrummed years ago, I would say " Go to the bed " and

simply leave her there, closing the door and ignoring her for a period of

time I felt was just. She learned quickly that she could not get her way

unless she made me happy.

I know some of these measures seem tough, but how much do you want to put

up with? They could become worse and you'll want to nip it in the bud and

establish some sort of reign.

Sometimes they think they are " Queen of the World " when they are merely

princesses <grin>.

After biting, I would put something unpleasant in her mouth, but it must

happen directly afterwards. And it must sadly be kept as a rule.

She has to be taught her actions will determine her fate, as we all do.

If she has ever held her ears when a noise such as rushing water is heard,

you could hold your ears when she's crying or whining, perhaps, if you find

she can have empathy as a result of her own previous experiences.

My best to you. I know it is difficult. However, if a puppy wets and you

want to teach it not to, you do need to rub their noses in it sometimes ...

Minc

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> Hi

>

> I know this is, in all probability, a developmental stage that my 4yo DD

> missed out

> on, especially as we're seeing other behaviors more typical of a 2yo, such

as

> screaming tantrums when we tell her do something she doesn't want to do,

or

> when she doesn't get her own way, or some whining in similar

circumstances,

> but does anyone have any idea what we can do about her scratching and

biting?

> She doesn't seem to be interested in taking this out on a soft toy. If

> she's stopped from scratching me or my DH, she turns it on herself.

" Quiet

> hands " doesn't work, although she knows it.

>

> Any ideas.?

>

> Margaret

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Margaret,

Aggression is a form of communication, just not a comfortable or effective one.

Does your child have other positive forms of communication? Speech, PECS,

communication device, simple signs like yes and no?

1) Do whatever you can to determine if she's in any kind of pain. One I work

with was having subclinical seizures and becomes very aggressive when he gets

any gluten! Often nonverbal individuals use aggression to get our attention

(which she has succeeded in doing). Then we must play detective to figure out

why. Behaviors usually occur when a person wants to avoid something, or to gain

something.

2) Thoroughly praise her/reward her for using positive forms of communication

when she does. When she scratches or tries to bite say, " I know you're trying

to tell me something, can you find a different way to tell me " , or " I don't

understand what you want, use your words (or PECS or sign).

3)Try to give her choices whenever possible. Rather than, " put your shoes on "

try " do you want to put on your red shoes or blue shoes? " or instead of " time to

go to bed " try " do you want to go to bed now or in five minutes? "

4) Make a list of the requests which most often elicit the negative behaviors.

Do they have anything in common? Consider the environment and any sensory

issues she may have. Do the behaviors occur more frequently at particular times

of day, in particular locations, in places with a particular type of lighting,

noises, odors? Do they occur most often after she has had certain things to eat

or drink, or certain supplements? What has changed in the environment: new

paint, new carpet, different cleaning supplies, different laundry detergent?

For some reason the following story comes to mind, so I'll include it. One

child with autism refused to wear a coat even in the coldest weather. His

mother couldn't figure out why and feared for his health and that others would

consider her negligent. Finally she asked him and discovered that he refused to

wear it because with it on he couldn't run as fast. They went shopping for a

more aerodynamic coat and both got what they wanted.

S

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> Hi<BR>

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> I know this is, in all probability, a developmental stage that my 4yo DD <BR>

> missed out<BR>

> on, especially as we're seeing other behaviors more typical of a 2yo, such

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> screaming tantrums when we tell her do something she doesn't want to do, or

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> when she doesn't get her own way, or some whining in similar circumstances,

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> but does anyone have any idea what we can do about her scratching and biting?

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> She doesn't seem to be interested in taking this out on a soft toy. & nbsp; If

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> she's stopped from scratching me or my DH, she turns it on herself. & nbsp;

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> Any ideas.?<BR>

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> Margaret<BR>

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Hi all,

Has anyone had a child with much aggression be helped out by Dr. G's

protocol. We are currently seeing some pretty bad episodes of

aggression in our 4-year old son (dx autistic) and were wondering if

anyone else has had this happen and then have it go away with Dr. G's

protocol.

Any input will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dennis

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I think Dr. Goldberg has seen pretty much everything...aggression is a fairly

common behavior issue in autism, and if your son's aggression is a symptom of

(it most likely is), then it would very likely be helped on the protocol.

My son sometimes gets aggressive when he's sick (and we also recently had a

temporary period of aggressive behavior when we raised his dose of SSRI).

Remember, a child with (i.e. autism) is very likely in pain and discomfort

much of the time, feels confused and frightened when in unfamiliar or changed

situations, and is frustrated because he can't communicate or has difficulty

communicating, and because he can't " read " people. That would make anyone

aggressive! When recovery begins, there is increasingly less need to act out in

negative ways.

I would love to hear the stories on this topic from parents of children who have

recovered.

Donna

Aggression

Hi all,

Has anyone had a child with much aggression be helped out by Dr. G's

protocol. We are currently seeing some pretty bad episodes of

aggression in our 4-year old son (dx autistic) and were wondering if

anyone else has had this happen and then have it go away with Dr. G's

protocol.

Any input will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dennis

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Hey ,

It sounds like the timing points to the antivirals, but sometimes it ends up

being something else.  Is there blue dye?  How long has he been on them?

The thing that causes aggression in my son is soy proteins, especially soy

lecithen (soy bean oil is fine - no proteins).

Sometimes people have switched over to soy near the time they start

antivirals. 

Kids can take 2+ weeks to start showing reactions to soy and then it takes about

5 days for the aggression to ease up after stopping it.

I hope you find a trigger that you can remove.  If it' antivirals, the benefits

outweigh the problem and could actually be a psychological reaction to becoming

more aware.

Also antivirals can kick up yeast if you're not on the antifungals yet, and

sensory problems can certainly add acting out too.

And yes, SSRIs might help.  For some, the road gets rough on SSRIs, but some do

well.

HTH

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From: Fund <susan_fund@...>

Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 10:29:30 AM

Subject: Aggression

 

What does Dr G recommend for aggression? Sometimes my son will atttack me

......pull my hair or bite......this started once we started the anti virals.

Will the SSRI's help with those behaviors. We have not yet started an SSRI yet.

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