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Our son started the protocol mid August. He has been on Nizoral

for three weeks. About a week into the Nizoral, he got a cold sore at

the corner of his mouth which is still there (has cleared up some) and

for the past few days, I've noticed his cheeks are slightly reddish

looking. Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks.

ette

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Barb,

I am sorry I haven't supplied you with any answers on this yet... I am so

overwhelmed at home right now (nothing serious... just the typical holiday

stuff x 4 kids)! I have been trying to get on to Dr. Goldberg's conference

site for a few days now to pull something up for you and I can't seem to get

in. When I do I'll try to post something for you. I can't even paraphrase

it because I don't remember what he said. I'm sorry !

Caroline

> On 11/30/02 1:35 PM, " Barb Katsaros " <barbkatsaros@...> wrote:

> What are his concerns re. enzymes? I have been

> holding off on ours as he told us to hold off

> everything we've been doing until we talk to him next

> on 12/30, but what is the problem with enzymes? I am

> just curious. Barb

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Hi,

 

I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks.  My

son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. 

 

 This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere

else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He is definately not on

during these times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies?  We just

thought he was coming down with something.  The only change to his diet is we

added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the

past.  He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

Thanks for any help,

Noel

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This happens to my son with changes in the weather accompanied with exposure to

the son. It's especially bad when he already has a cold and the weather is going

from warm or hot to cold. Right now his cheeks are flaming red and so is his

temper. He's had a cold for a week now, and we can't seem to get it to go away,

although it's not getting any worse.

I usually put vaseline on his cheeks, or if I can find it, that unpetroleum

jelly at the health food store. This seems to protect the skin and soothe it.

HTH,

Robyn

> From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...>

> Subject: Re: Red Cheeks

> nids

> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:53 PM

> Hi,

>  

> I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever

> developed red cheeks.  My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I

> mean fire engine red. 

>  

>  This doesn't look like fifths disease because there

> is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse

> than the other.  He is definately not on during these

> times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? 

> We just thought he was coming down with something.  The

> only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy

> milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. 

> He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z

> cup.

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Noel

>

>

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Hey Noel,

My first guess would be allergies (after ruling out the virus of course).  Soy

makes my son very aggressive and hostile, and his pupils will dilate somewhat. 

It tends to take several days for it to build up in his system,  but once it

does, he's hostile and in a rage for up to 5 days after removing the offending

food.  That's specific to soy proteins.  As far as other allergies, sometimes

they can start reacting to things that were previously ok, and maybe if you've

introduced goat milk in the last 2 weeks, you may be seeing a delayed

sensitivity.  I would try to have his CBC done when he's recently had this

reaction to check to see if his eosiniphils are elevated or not.

 

The other possibility is that something he is eating is high in phenols, and he

may be low in the enzyme that processes the phenols.  This is not a concern as

far as triggering the immune system, so I don't bother to restrict them.  Some

people may have discomfort and mood changes.  I don't hear much about it

anymore, so I don't really know how valid that is.  The recommendation used to

be a soak in a warm tub with epsom salts.  I don't know if it works or not, but

my kids enjoyed the salts anyway so it's no harm and they're cheap.  (Don't wash

hair in the salt - wash first then add salts).

 

And of course he could just be coming down with something, and if so, it'll all

pass within a couple of weeks.  But I'd pull the most recent addition to his

diet and reintroduce it if the symptoms go away to see if you can duplicate it.

 

HTH-

Re: Red Cheeks

Hi,

 

I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks.  My

son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. 

 

 This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere

else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He is definately not on

during these times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies?  We just

thought he was coming down with something.  The only change to his diet is we

added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the

past.  He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

Thanks for any help,

Noel

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Noel,

Could it be phenols? Look at the outer edges of his ears... are they red

sometimes, too? Red ears/cheeks are a classic sign of phenol reaction.

Some foods high in phenols are apples, bananas, nuts, tomatoes, grapes. I

also read somewhere that a child reacted to the phenols in his/her

antihistamine.

Caroline

> Hi,

 

> I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. 

> My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. 

 

>  This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere

> else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He is definately not on

> during these times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies?  We just

> thought he was coming down with something.  The only change to his diet is

> we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least

> in the past.  He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

> Thanks for any help,

> Noel

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Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your input.

 Sincerely Noel

From: <thecolemans4@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Red Cheeks

Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:18 PM

Hey Noel,

My first guess would be allergies (after ruling out the virus of course).  Soy

makes my son very aggressive and hostile, and his pupils will dilate somewhat. 

It tends to take several days for it to build up in his system,  but once it

does, he's hostile and in a rage for up to 5 days after removing the offending

food.  That's specific to soy proteins.  As far as other allergies, sometimes

they can start reacting to things that were previously ok, and maybe if you've

introduced goat milk in the last 2 weeks, you may be seeing a delayed

sensitivity.  I would try to have his CBC done when he's recently had this

reaction to check to see if his eosiniphils are elevated or not.

 

The other possibility is that something he is eating is high in phenols, and he

may be low in the enzyme that processes the phenols.  This is not a concern as

far as triggering the immune system, so I don't bother to restrict them.  Some

people may have discomfort and mood changes.  I don't hear much about it

anymore, so I don't really know how valid that is.  The recommendation used to

be a soak in a warm tub with epsom salts.  I don't know if it works or not, but

my kids enjoyed the salts anyway so it's no harm and they're cheap.  (Don't wash

hair in the salt - wash first then add salts).

 

And of course he could just be coming down with something, and if so, it'll all

pass within a couple of weeks.  But I'd pull the most recent addition to his

diet and reintroduce it if the symptoms go away to see if you can duplicate it.

 

HTH-

Re: Red Cheeks

Hi,

 

I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks.  My

son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. 

 

 This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere

else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He is definately not on

during these times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies?  We just

thought he was coming down with something.  The only change to his diet is we

added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the

past.  He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

Thanks for any help,

Noel

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-My sons ears get very red when he is anxious. Yes the anxiety could

be caused from an allergy, but I can't seem to figure out what that

is. Everytime he plays the wii or his nintendo ds, they get red.

Sometime I clearly think his sympathetic nervous system is getting

aroused from the intenisity that is present when playing these games.

We will also see it after wrestling or something when he gets

disregulted and laughs really hard.

-- In , NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

>  

> I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed

red cheeks.  My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine

red. 

>  

>  This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a

rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He

is definately not on during these times.  I don't know if maybe this

is food allergies?  We just thought he was coming down with

something.  The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the

soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past.  He

gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Noel

>

>

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Just wondering, are you keeping him away from food dyes...red in

paricular?

ray

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

nm042

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:10 PM

Subject: Re: Red Cheeks

-My sons ears get very red when he is anxious. Yes the anxiety could

be caused from an allergy, but I can't seem to figure out what that

is. Everytime he plays the wii or his nintendo ds, they get red.

Sometime I clearly think his sympathetic nervous system is getting

aroused from the intenisity that is present when playing these games.

We will also see it after wrestling or something when he gets

disregulted and laughs really hard.

-- In <mailto:%40> , NOEL

SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed

red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine

red.

>

> This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a

rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He

is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this

is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with

something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the

soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He

gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Noel

>

>

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My daughter is albino and of course very pale.   One day when I was

walking through the clinic on post and a doctor confronted me about wearing a

hat on my child who has albinism because she needed protected from the sun.  I

will just say that comment went over like a lead balloon.  I was not happy that

day anyway because I had just fought with my primary care manager about my

daughter needing more specialized care.  Of course she didn't think that 

did and that did not help my mood then this clown comes in and insinuates that I

was not caring for or protecting my child.  I knew that her head was red I asked

about that at every visit but I was told that it was no big deal.  So I

 researched and discovered that low Vit K could cause a red appearance to the

head and scalp.  Sheri

From: <thecolemans4@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Red Cheeks

Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 9:18 PM

Hey Noel,

My first guess would be allergies (after ruling out the virus of course).  Soy

makes my son very aggressive and hostile, and his pupils will dilate somewhat. 

It tends to take several days for it to build up in his system,  but once it

does, he's hostile and in a rage for up to 5 days after removing the offending

food.  That's specific to soy proteins.  As far as other allergies, sometimes

they can start reacting to things that were previously ok, and maybe if you've

introduced goat milk in the last 2 weeks, you may be seeing a delayed

sensitivity.  I would try to have his CBC done when he's recently had this

reaction to check to see if his eosiniphils are elevated or not.

 

The other possibility is that something he is eating is high in phenols, and he

may be low in the enzyme that processes the phenols.  This is not a concern as

far as triggering the immune system, so I don't bother to restrict them.  Some

people may have discomfort and mood changes.  I don't hear much about it

anymore, so I don't really know how valid that is.  The recommendation used to

be a soak in a warm tub with epsom salts.  I don't know if it works or not, but

my kids enjoyed the salts anyway so it's no harm and they're cheap.  (Don't wash

hair in the salt - wash first then add salts).

 

And of course he could just be coming down with something, and if so, it'll all

pass within a couple of weeks.  But I'd pull the most recent addition to his

diet and reintroduce it if the symptoms go away to see if you can duplicate it.

 

HTH-

Re: Red Cheeks

Hi,

 

I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks.  My

son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. 

 

 This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere

else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He is definately not on

during these times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies?  We just

thought he was coming down with something.  The only change to his diet is we

added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the

past.  He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

Thanks for any help,

Noel

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Ray,

 

 He did have a birthday party at school, and I made cupcakes, one of he last

ingredients was a red dye, I never noticed much before with a sensitivity to

this. We have done antibiotics with red dye in the past with no problem.

 

He just turned 4, He is on immunovir for 8 weeks now, I am noticing some sensory

seeking type behavior, mostly clenching of the teeth, wanting to play rough with

us, teeth grinding at night, etc...I wonder sometime if the immunovir kicks some

of this up? Dr. G says probably not...I see him soon, he is craving sweets

lately which makes me question a few things.

 

We used to see these red cheeks a year ago,  before , they are back??

 

Thanks again for your help.

Noel

 Sincerely Noel

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed

red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine

red.

>

> This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a

rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He

is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this

is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with

something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the

soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He

gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Noel

>

>

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mmhhmm, sounds familiar. Mine is 16 now. As soon as I took him off

gluten, casein, and red food dyes at around age 7 (I wished I was savvy

enough when he was 4) his red cheeks, stimming behavior, self injurious

behavior, hyperactivity, and aggressiveness quelled down considerably.

Only then was he able to really benefit from his ABA. The GFCF diet wa

a real bear back then, but there are a lot more good tasting foods out

there now then there was then. The diet is hard but its worth it when

you see the change in behavior. I am not as strict now but do make his

lunch with a good gfcf bread, and he has learned not to eat dairy

(really no need anyway).

Best, Ray

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

NOEL SCHNEIDER

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:10 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Red Cheeks

Ray,

He did have a birthday party at school, and I made cupcakes, one of he

last ingredients was a red dye, I never noticed much before with a

sensitivity to this. We have done antibiotics with red dye in the past

with no problem.

He just turned 4, He is on immunovir for 8 weeks now, I am noticing some

sensory seeking type behavior, mostly clenching of the teeth, wanting to

play rough with us, teeth grinding at night, etc...I wonder sometime if

the immunovir kicks some of this up? Dr. G says probably not...I see him

soon, he is craving sweets lately which makes me question a few things.

We used to see these red cheeks a year ago, before , they are

back??

Thanks again for your help.

Noel

Sincerely Noel

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed

red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine

red.

>

> This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a

rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He

is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this

is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with

something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the

soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He

gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Noel

>

>

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Mine did.  It was from food allergies. 

Barb Katsaros

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From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...>

Subject: Re: Red Cheeks

nids

Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:53 PM

Hi,

 

I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks.  My

son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. 

 

 This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere

else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other.  He is definately not on

during these times.  I don't know if maybe this is food allergies?  We just

thought he was coming down with something.  The only change to his diet is we

added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the

past.  He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup.

Thanks for any help,

Noel

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<<<Everytime he plays the wii or his nintendo ds, they get red.

Sometime I clearly think his sympathetic nervous system is getting

aroused from the intenisity that is present when playing these games.<<<

This happens frequently to my son, as well.

He also occasionally gets red cheeks and outer ears from phenols, but

that doesn't seem to happen as much now that he's older and healthier.

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