Guest guest Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 Our son started the protocol mid August. He has been on Nizoral for three weeks. About a week into the Nizoral, he got a cold sore at the corner of his mouth which is still there (has cleared up some) and for the past few days, I've noticed his cheeks are slightly reddish looking. Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks. ette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Barb, I am sorry I haven't supplied you with any answers on this yet... I am so overwhelmed at home right now (nothing serious... just the typical holiday stuff x 4 kids)! I have been trying to get on to Dr. Goldberg's conference site for a few days now to pull something up for you and I can't seem to get in. When I do I'll try to post something for you. I can't even paraphrase it because I don't remember what he said. I'm sorry ! Caroline > On 11/30/02 1:35 PM, " Barb Katsaros " <barbkatsaros@...> wrote: > What are his concerns re. enzymes? I have been > holding off on ours as he told us to hold off > everything we've been doing until we talk to him next > on 12/30, but what is the problem with enzymes? I am > just curious. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Hi, I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. Thanks for any help, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 This happens to my son with changes in the weather accompanied with exposure to the son. It's especially bad when he already has a cold and the weather is going from warm or hot to cold. Right now his cheeks are flaming red and so is his temper. He's had a cold for a week now, and we can't seem to get it to go away, although it's not getting any worse. I usually put vaseline on his cheeks, or if I can find it, that unpetroleum jelly at the health food store. This seems to protect the skin and soothe it. HTH, Robyn > From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...> > Subject: Re: Red Cheeks > nids > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 4:53 PM > Hi, > > I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever > developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I > mean fire engine red. > > This doesn't look like fifths disease because there > is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse > than the other. He is definately not on during these > times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? > We just thought he was coming down with something. The > only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy > milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. > He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z > cup. > > Thanks for any help, > Noel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Hey Noel, My first guess would be allergies (after ruling out the virus of course). Soy makes my son very aggressive and hostile, and his pupils will dilate somewhat. It tends to take several days for it to build up in his system, but once it does, he's hostile and in a rage for up to 5 days after removing the offending food. That's specific to soy proteins. As far as other allergies, sometimes they can start reacting to things that were previously ok, and maybe if you've introduced goat milk in the last 2 weeks, you may be seeing a delayed sensitivity. I would try to have his CBC done when he's recently had this reaction to check to see if his eosiniphils are elevated or not. The other possibility is that something he is eating is high in phenols, and he may be low in the enzyme that processes the phenols. This is not a concern as far as triggering the immune system, so I don't bother to restrict them. Some people may have discomfort and mood changes. I don't hear much about it anymore, so I don't really know how valid that is. The recommendation used to be a soak in a warm tub with epsom salts. I don't know if it works or not, but my kids enjoyed the salts anyway so it's no harm and they're cheap. (Don't wash hair in the salt - wash first then add salts). And of course he could just be coming down with something, and if so, it'll all pass within a couple of weeks. But I'd pull the most recent addition to his diet and reintroduce it if the symptoms go away to see if you can duplicate it. HTH- Re: Red Cheeks Hi, I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. Thanks for any help, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Noel, Could it be phenols? Look at the outer edges of his ears... are they red sometimes, too? Red ears/cheeks are a classic sign of phenol reaction. Some foods high in phenols are apples, bananas, nuts, tomatoes, grapes. I also read somewhere that a child reacted to the phenols in his/her antihistamine. Caroline > Hi, > I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. > My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. > This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere > else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on > during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just > thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is > we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least > in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. > Thanks for any help, > Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your input. Sincerely Noel From: <thecolemans4@...> Subject: Re: Re: Red Cheeks Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:18 PM Hey Noel, My first guess would be allergies (after ruling out the virus of course). Soy makes my son very aggressive and hostile, and his pupils will dilate somewhat. It tends to take several days for it to build up in his system, but once it does, he's hostile and in a rage for up to 5 days after removing the offending food. That's specific to soy proteins. As far as other allergies, sometimes they can start reacting to things that were previously ok, and maybe if you've introduced goat milk in the last 2 weeks, you may be seeing a delayed sensitivity. I would try to have his CBC done when he's recently had this reaction to check to see if his eosiniphils are elevated or not. The other possibility is that something he is eating is high in phenols, and he may be low in the enzyme that processes the phenols. This is not a concern as far as triggering the immune system, so I don't bother to restrict them. Some people may have discomfort and mood changes. I don't hear much about it anymore, so I don't really know how valid that is. The recommendation used to be a soak in a warm tub with epsom salts. I don't know if it works or not, but my kids enjoyed the salts anyway so it's no harm and they're cheap. (Don't wash hair in the salt - wash first then add salts). And of course he could just be coming down with something, and if so, it'll all pass within a couple of weeks. But I'd pull the most recent addition to his diet and reintroduce it if the symptoms go away to see if you can duplicate it. HTH- Re: Red Cheeks Hi, I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. Thanks for any help, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 -My sons ears get very red when he is anxious. Yes the anxiety could be caused from an allergy, but I can't seem to figure out what that is. Everytime he plays the wii or his nintendo ds, they get red. Sometime I clearly think his sympathetic nervous system is getting aroused from the intenisity that is present when playing these games. We will also see it after wrestling or something when he gets disregulted and laughs really hard. -- In , NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. > > This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. > > Thanks for any help, > Noel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Just wondering, are you keeping him away from food dyes...red in paricular? ray ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of nm042 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Red Cheeks -My sons ears get very red when he is anxious. Yes the anxiety could be caused from an allergy, but I can't seem to figure out what that is. Everytime he plays the wii or his nintendo ds, they get red. Sometime I clearly think his sympathetic nervous system is getting aroused from the intenisity that is present when playing these games. We will also see it after wrestling or something when he gets disregulted and laughs really hard. -- In <mailto:%40> , NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. > > This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. > > Thanks for any help, > Noel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 My daughter is albino and of course very pale. One day when I was walking through the clinic on post and a doctor confronted me about wearing a hat on my child who has albinism because she needed protected from the sun. I will just say that comment went over like a lead balloon. I was not happy that day anyway because I had just fought with my primary care manager about my daughter needing more specialized care. Of course she didn't think that did and that did not help my mood then this clown comes in and insinuates that I was not caring for or protecting my child. I knew that her head was red I asked about that at every visit but I was told that it was no big deal. So I researched and discovered that low Vit K could cause a red appearance to the head and scalp. Sheri From: <thecolemans4@...> Subject: Re: Re: Red Cheeks Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 9:18 PM Hey Noel, My first guess would be allergies (after ruling out the virus of course). Soy makes my son very aggressive and hostile, and his pupils will dilate somewhat. It tends to take several days for it to build up in his system, but once it does, he's hostile and in a rage for up to 5 days after removing the offending food. That's specific to soy proteins. As far as other allergies, sometimes they can start reacting to things that were previously ok, and maybe if you've introduced goat milk in the last 2 weeks, you may be seeing a delayed sensitivity. I would try to have his CBC done when he's recently had this reaction to check to see if his eosiniphils are elevated or not. The other possibility is that something he is eating is high in phenols, and he may be low in the enzyme that processes the phenols. This is not a concern as far as triggering the immune system, so I don't bother to restrict them. Some people may have discomfort and mood changes. I don't hear much about it anymore, so I don't really know how valid that is. The recommendation used to be a soak in a warm tub with epsom salts. I don't know if it works or not, but my kids enjoyed the salts anyway so it's no harm and they're cheap. (Don't wash hair in the salt - wash first then add salts). And of course he could just be coming down with something, and if so, it'll all pass within a couple of weeks. But I'd pull the most recent addition to his diet and reintroduce it if the symptoms go away to see if you can duplicate it. HTH- Re: Red Cheeks Hi, I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. Thanks for any help, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Ray, He did have a birthday party at school, and I made cupcakes, one of he last ingredients was a red dye, I never noticed much before with a sensitivity to this. We have done antibiotics with red dye in the past with no problem. He just turned 4, He is on immunovir for 8 weeks now, I am noticing some sensory seeking type behavior, mostly clenching of the teeth, wanting to play rough with us, teeth grinding at night, etc...I wonder sometime if the immunovir kicks some of this up? Dr. G says probably not...I see him soon, he is craving sweets lately which makes me question a few things. We used to see these red cheeks a year ago, before , they are back?? Thanks again for your help. Noel Sincerely Noel > > > Hi, > > I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. > > This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. > > Thanks for any help, > Noel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 mmhhmm, sounds familiar. Mine is 16 now. As soon as I took him off gluten, casein, and red food dyes at around age 7 (I wished I was savvy enough when he was 4) his red cheeks, stimming behavior, self injurious behavior, hyperactivity, and aggressiveness quelled down considerably. Only then was he able to really benefit from his ABA. The GFCF diet wa a real bear back then, but there are a lot more good tasting foods out there now then there was then. The diet is hard but its worth it when you see the change in behavior. I am not as strict now but do make his lunch with a good gfcf bread, and he has learned not to eat dairy (really no need anyway). Best, Ray ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of NOEL SCHNEIDER Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: RE: Re: Red Cheeks Ray, He did have a birthday party at school, and I made cupcakes, one of he last ingredients was a red dye, I never noticed much before with a sensitivity to this. We have done antibiotics with red dye in the past with no problem. He just turned 4, He is on immunovir for 8 weeks now, I am noticing some sensory seeking type behavior, mostly clenching of the teeth, wanting to play rough with us, teeth grinding at night, etc...I wonder sometime if the immunovir kicks some of this up? Dr. G says probably not...I see him soon, he is craving sweets lately which makes me question a few things. We used to see these red cheeks a year ago, before , they are back?? Thanks again for your help. Noel Sincerely Noel > > > Hi, > > I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. > > This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. > > Thanks for any help, > Noel > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Mine did. It was from food allergies. Barb Katsaros barbkatsaros@... From: NOEL SCHNEIDER <schneid99@...> Subject: Re: Red Cheeks nids Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:53 PM Hi, I was hoping someone could tell me if their child ever developed red cheeks. My son sometimes gets red cheeks, I mean fire engine red. This doesn't look like fifths disease because there is never a rash anywhere else. Usually one cheek looks worse than the other. He is definately not on during these times. I don't know if maybe this is food allergies? We just thought he was coming down with something. The only change to his diet is we added goats milk to the soy milk. He is usually fine with this, at least in the past. He gets very small amt. 1/2 and 1/2 one time a day. 8 0z cup. Thanks for any help, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 <<<Everytime he plays the wii or his nintendo ds, they get red. Sometime I clearly think his sympathetic nervous system is getting aroused from the intenisity that is present when playing these games.<<< This happens frequently to my son, as well. He also occasionally gets red cheeks and outer ears from phenols, but that doesn't seem to happen as much now that he's older and healthier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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