Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 I use coconut oil mostly for frying...mostly eggs and other breakfasty things. My preferred way to get coconut fat though is making curries and soups using whole coconut milk. My favorite soup for using it is (approximately...I never actually use a recipe) * 1 can of organic pumpkin (or equivalent fresh or canned pumpkin, sweet potato, squash, or carrot) Pumpkin is lower carb than most of the other options, though. * 1 can coconut milk (or equivalent amount of homemade) * about 1 cup tomato sauce (I use the no addes salt type so I can add my own sea salt or RealSalt) * 1 diced medium onion * Garam Masala (Indian seasoning blend; can substitute with a personal blend of spices like allspice, cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger, cumin, cloves, black pepper, red pepper, etc) Think pumpkin pie spice with a bit of savory and a bit of a kick. * Crushed Garlic, Salt and Pepper to taste. * Juice and zest of 1-2 fresh limes, or pureed lime (flesh) and zest * Cut up chicken or firm fleshed fish like Mahi Mahi or Monkfish to serve 2-4 people * Optional: crushed nuts, nut butter, chopped parsley and/or chives Cook chicken in a large saucepan with a little coconut oil or butter until very slightly underdone then add onions and cook over low heat until they are translucent. If using fish put onions in first and let the fish steam on top of the onions. When onions are ready, stir in the pumpkin, tomato sauce and coconut milk. Continue over medium- low heat. Add Garam Masala, garlic, salt and/or other seasonings tasting as you go. When done seasoning and soup is hot enough add the lime juice. If you're using nut butter, blend it with the lime juice before adding to soup to make it easier to incorporate. Garnish with parsley and/or chives. It might also be good with some other fresh vegetables thrown in. Experiment! Very good, very warming, and nutritious... Kroyer Minneapolis, MN > >> Who knew how yummy coconut oil and butter were! > > Butter I have no problem using in quantity, but the coconut butter I > bought is still sitting in the fridge. What are some favorite ways to > use coconut oil and butter? And is Omega Nutrition Coconut Butter a good > brand? > > ~ Carma ~ > > To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually > ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured, > and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell > > Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:10 -0700 > From: " Carma Paden " <carmapaden@...> > Subject: coconut question > > >> Who knew how yummy coconut oil and butter were! > > Butter I have no problem using in quantity, but the coconut butter I > bought is still sitting in the fridge. What are some favorite ways to > use coconut oil and butter? And is Omega Nutrition Coconut Butter a good > brand? > > ~ Carma ~ Carma, The Omega coconut butter is refined and tasteless. They deodorize it because it is made from copra. If you want the full taste of coconuts, you need to get a Virgin Coconut Oil. You can read about the differences in coconut oil here: http://www.coconut-info.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm Shilhavy Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. http://www.coconut-info.com http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 , From what you've said about Omega coconut oil, it is a refined product. And from reading your website, these type of oils are solvent extracted and partially hydrogenated. Yet, the information on the Omega oil specifically says that it has no solvents and is unhydrogenated. The sources in NT recommend this particular brand, so I'm getting confused about this... So, to get truly unrefined coconut oil, it should taste like coconuts? Does anyone else have any info on brands? I don't think NT or Radiant Life would be recommending a refined product.... Becky And is Omega Nutrition Coconut Butter a good > > brand? > > > > ~ Carma ~ > > Carma, > > The Omega coconut butter is refined and tasteless. They deodorize it because > it is made from copra. If you want the full taste of coconuts, you need to > get a Virgin Coconut Oil. You can read about the differences in coconut oil > here: http://www.coconut-info.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm > > Shilhavy > > Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. > http://www.coconut-info.com > http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Becky - I've tried both the Mt. Banashaw (which is fermented and heated on " low heat " ) and the coconut oil sold on the following website, which isn't heated: http://www.coconutoil-online.com/PRODUCTS.html The latter (from the link above) is superior in taste and consistency, in my opinion. As far as effect, I really didn't start taking the oil consistently until I switched to the new stuff, (with good results), so I can't compare physical effect. Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: beckymauldin2001 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:04 AM Subject: Re: coconut question , From what you've said about Omega coconut oil, it is a refined product. And from reading your website, these type of oils are solvent extracted and partially hydrogenated. Yet, the information on the Omega oil specifically says that it has no solvents and is unhydrogenated. The sources in NT recommend this particular brand, so I'm getting confused about this... So, to get truly unrefined coconut oil, it should taste like coconuts? Does anyone else have any info on brands? I don't think NT or Radiant Life would be recommending a refined product.... Becky And is Omega Nutrition Coconut Butter a good > > brand? > > > > ~ Carma ~ > > Carma, > > The Omega coconut butter is refined and tasteless. They deodorize it because > it is made from copra. If you want the full taste of coconuts, you need to > get a Virgin Coconut Oil. You can read about the differences in coconut oil > here: http://www.coconut-info.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm > > Shilhavy > > Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. > http://www.coconut-info.com > http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 I got the Omega coconut oil a long time ago, and have tried cooking with it, but it really has no flavor. I was dissapointed and have not really cooked much with it for that reason. If it's refined, then it all makes sense. I just ordered the virgin coconut oil from tropicaltraditions.com and can't wait to taste it! --- In @y..., " Dana Milmeister " <danamilmeister@y...> wrote: > Becky - > > I've tried both the Mt. Banashaw (which is fermented and heated on " low heat " ) and the coconut oil sold on the following website, which isn't heated: > > http://www.coconutoil-online.com/PRODUCTS.html > > The latter (from the link above) is superior in taste and consistency, in my opinion. As far as effect, I really didn't start taking the oil consistently until I switched to the new stuff, (with good results), so I can't compare physical effect. > > Dana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: beckymauldin2001 > @y... > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:04 AM > Subject: Re: coconut question > > > , > > From what you've said about Omega coconut oil, it is a refined > product. And from reading your website, these type of oils are > solvent extracted and partially hydrogenated. Yet, the information > on the Omega oil specifically says that it has no solvents and is > unhydrogenated. The sources in NT recommend this particular brand, > so I'm getting confused about this... > > So, to get truly unrefined coconut oil, it should taste like > coconuts? > > Does anyone else have any info on brands? I don't think NT or > Radiant Life would be recommending a refined product.... > > Becky > > > And is Omega Nutrition Coconut Butter a good > > > brand? > > > > > > ~ Carma ~ > > > > Carma, > > > > The Omega coconut butter is refined and tasteless. They deodorize > it because > > it is made from copra. If you want the full taste of coconuts, you > need to > > get a Virgin Coconut Oil. You can read about the differences in > coconut oil > > here: http://www.coconut-info.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm > > > > Shilhavy > > > > Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. > > http://www.coconut-info.com > > http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Has anyone tried the hand-made Jamaican Gold coconut oil? It's supposed to be completely unrefined, and they claim it's made with organic coconuts. It's also relatively cheap compared with Tropical Traditions -- $10.29/lb; the price advantage rapidly goes to Tropical Traditons when buying in bulk though. I haven't tried either of them yet. Unfortunately, so far I've only had Spectrum's " semi-refined " coconut oil...which is why I prefer to get my lauric acid in the form of coconut milk. I haven't been able to commit to the price yet since I mostly use it to fry my eggs in. This is another item where buying clubs might help alot...bulk purchasing drops the price by over 20%. If anyone has tried Jamaican Gold and one or more of the others, I'd love to hear a comparison.1 You can find their website here: http://essentialoil.com/index2.html look for the Jamaican Gold link toward the bottom of the list. It includes a pictorial on the production process and the Jamaican crew that produces it. Kroyer Minneapolis, MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Wonder what difference the fermentation makes to the nutritional value of the final product? " Dana Milmeister " < > <danamilmeister@ cc: > Subject: Re: Re: coconut question 01/23/2002 11:16 AM Please respond to Becky - I've tried both the Mt. Banashaw (which is fermented and heated on " low heat " ) and the coconut oil sold on the following website, which isn't heated: http://www.coconutoil-online.com/PRODUCTS.html The latter (from the link above) is superior in taste and consistency, in my opinion. As far as effect, I really didn't start taking the oil consistently until I switched to the new stuff, (with good results), so I can't compare physical effect. Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: beckymauldin2001 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:04 AM Subject: Re: coconut question , From what you've said about Omega coconut oil, it is a refined product. And from reading your website, these type of oils are solvent extracted and partially hydrogenated. Yet, the information on the Omega oil specifically says that it has no solvents and is unhydrogenated. The sources in NT recommend this particular brand, so I'm getting confused about this... So, to get truly unrefined coconut oil, it should taste like coconuts? Does anyone else have any info on brands? I don't think NT or Radiant Life would be recommending a refined product.... Becky And is Omega Nutrition Coconut Butter a good > > brand? > > > > ~ Carma ~ > > Carma, > > The Omega coconut butter is refined and tasteless. They deodorize it because > it is made from copra. If you want the full taste of coconuts, you need to > get a Virgin Coconut Oil. You can read about the differences in coconut oil > here: http://www.coconut-info.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm > > Shilhavy > > Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. > http://www.coconut-info.com > http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:04:07 -0000 > From: " beckymauldin2001 " <beckymauldin@...> > Subject: Re: coconut question > > , > > >From what you've said about Omega coconut oil, it is a refined > product. And from reading your website, these type of oils are > solvent extracted and partially hydrogenated. Yet, the information > on the Omega oil specifically says that it has no solvents and is > unhydrogenated. The sources in NT recommend this particular brand, > so I'm getting confused about this... > > So, to get truly unrefined coconut oil, it should taste like > coconuts? > > Does anyone else have any info on brands? I don't think NT or > Radiant Life would be recommending a refined product.... > > Becky Hi Becky, You ask good questions. Bob Walberg, the president of Omega, is on our coconut-info discussion group, so I am just going by what he has publically said in what I am about to report here. If you join the coconut-info list and search the archives you can find out about these things for yourself. But first about the term refining. All oils made from copra must undergo some refining to remove impurities. But there are vast differences in refining. Not all refining processes hydrogenate their oils. In fact it is rare to hydrogenate coconut oil except here in the Philippines and other tropical climates where it is usually a liquid because of the warm weather. But there would be no need to hydrogenate it for the US market, where it is usually a solid fat anyway. Omega's would certainly NOT be hydrogenated. Likewise, it is not necessary to use solvent extracts to refine oils. Bob says their oil is not refined with solvent extracts, and I believe him. There is a process called " physical refining " which is mostly steam treating and filtering using clays or activated carbon. This effectively deodorizes the oil. I assume this is the more healthy refining that both Omega and Spectrum use, although I have no first hand knowledge of it. But to answer your question, yes, a truly unrefined Virgin Coconut Oil should retain the taste and scent of coconuts, and this is only possible when you start with fresh coconuts, not copra. As to the question about our fermenting: this is not a typical fermentation in the sense of introducing a yeast or something like that. The way most traditional cultures have made coconut oil for thousands of years is by simply boiling the freshly extracted coconut milk to remove the water. This method takes several hours of boiling, but does result in a very nice coconut oil with the full flavor and taste of coconuts. When we started looking at traditional ways of making coconut oil here in the Philippines, we found a different traditional way that we call " fermentation. " All that means is that instead of heating the fresh coconut milk right away, the coconut milk is allowed to stand for 24 to 48 hours so that the oil can naturally separate from the water. The water is much heavier and falls to the bottom, and the oil is on top of it. On top of the oil is a thin " curd " made up of the coconut solids. There is probably some enzyme activity going on to separate the oil, but it does not stand out for too long. The oil is scooped out and heated for a very short time (maybe 10 minutes depending on the quantity) to completely remove the moisture and draw any oil out of the curds. This method involves much less heat. There was also reference made to another product that claims they use no heat. That is probably not entirely true, as even in their mass production machine-made centrifuge method some heat would be generated. Before we came on the scene, this company only distributed their product for cosmetic purposes. I would assume that they now have a food grade certification from the FDA for their product, but it might be worth checking into. They also do not reveal where they get their coconuts from and whether or not they are organic. Since we live in the area where our coconut oil is produced, we guarantee that our coconut oil is completely organic as we oversee all aspects of production from the families that make it. But I am sure they make a good product, that is truly not refined. It just isn't made the traditional way like ours, but is mass produced by machine, and they have chosen a negative advertising campaign against us and other traditional coconut oil producers which is unfortunate. Thanks, Shilhavy Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corp. http://www.coconut-info.com http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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