Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 I assume you live in the US. From my experience, it is incorrect to assume that all meat sold in a regular grocery store is grown on hormones. All brands of chickens I've seen in stores and obtained information about is are hormone free. One brand is Farms, and another one is Pilgrim's Pride. Chicken is not much more expensive than fruits and vegetables. Quite often it is as cheap or cheaper than fruits and vegs. You could buy chicken on sale and freeze it. While, you won't get the best chicken for less than $1/lb, but according to Dr. Byrnes, it's still better to buy non grass fed, organic meat than none at all. Sometimes, fish is pretty cheap on sale. At least you could take cod liver oil for some benefits of fish. Carlson's Labs is a brand of preference for many. While a bottle is quite expensive ($17 - $20), if you recalculate its price per dose, it will come out quite cheap. If you don't get foodstamps, you probably could. Hope this helps Roman --- Marcella Mathewes <honoraholmes@...> wrote: > We are basically poor. My husband is a full time > student and we have two > baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. > We are on a budget. Meat > is just really expensive and that is the grain fed > hormone laced stuff. > Would it be better to increase the animal products > in our diet using the > grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and > vegetables? I am just not > sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. > As far as good foods go, > what is most important for us? What should I buy > first? I actually have > loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my > son up on that when > meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am > working on a sourdour starter > so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we > can have fresh bread. I > personally am allergic to wheat and need something > else to fill up on and we > can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some > chickens soon but it > will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any > advice? At this point > we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it > warms up. lol! > > Marcella > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 >If you don't get foodstamps, you probably could When I was a single mother and struggling I got help from the government with food stamps program. They gave me so many of these I couldn't use them all and only stayed on for three months, yet had enough for six. My local food coop accpeted these too! So I could get organic foods. I hate being on these, but at least I could feed my son and myself well. Grace, a Augustine I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright. I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more. I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive. I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger. I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting. I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess. I wish you enough ''Hello's " to get you through the final goodbye. --anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Marcella, My recommendation would be this: I think the rustic leafy greens like collards, kale, spinach etc are often some of the cheaper vegetables for the nutritional punch that they provide. Don't eliminate the veggies by any means, but for the protein... eggs, eggs, EGGS, and more eggs Seriously, while I don't recommend you have a diet composed strictly of eggs, they are the cheapest and best protein source on the planet. If you can spend a little more for pastured or even one of the high omega brands (Gold Circle farms, Eggland's Best, or a local farm that uses fish meal, algae, or flax meal as part of the ration) so much the better. There is the side benefit of the high choline content being very good for the baby's brain (recent research suggests that choline not only increases intelligence during gestation but also during the first several months of lactation...although the lactation benefit appears to possibly be limited to males). Milk and yogurt are also relatively inexpensive, and very nutritionally valuable. After eggs and dairy, I'd head for the fish case. First, buy what you can afford. Second, stick to ocean fish. Third, select wild caught over farmed. Then choose the smallest fish from the coldest waters first (small=lower mercury; cold water=higher omega 3 fats). After fish, I'd head for the meats. You can save a ton of money (even with grass-fed and organics) by opting for stew meats and ground meats. Liver and other organ meats are also usually fairly cheap. I can usually buy about 1/3-1/2 lb of free-range, antibiotic-free chicken liver for less than a dollar. Hope this helps! Minneapolis, MN -----Original Message----- From: Marcella Mathewes [mailto:honoraholmes@...] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Which is better? We are basically poor. My husband is a full time student and we have two baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. We are on a budget. Meat is just really expensive and that is the grain fed hormone laced stuff. Would it be better to increase the animal products in our diet using the grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and vegetables? I am just not sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. As far as good foods go, what is most important for us? What should I buy first? I actually have loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my son up on that when meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am working on a sourdour starter so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we can have fresh bread. I personally am allergic to wheat and need something else to fill up on and we can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some chickens soon but it will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any advice? At this point we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it warms up. lol! Marcella _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Marcella, Possibly telling us where you live might help. Then we can make suggestions as to farms that sell meats directly to the customer. It might be less expensive for you to purchase a quarter or a side of beef. Deanna ----- Original Message ----- From: " Marcella Mathewes " <honoraholmes@...> < > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Which is better? We are basically poor. My husband is a full time student and we have two baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. We are on a budget. Meat is just really expensive and that is the grain fed hormone laced stuff. Would it be better to increase the animal products in our diet using the grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and vegetables? I am just not sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. As far as good foods go, what is most important for us? What should I buy first? I actually have loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my son up on that when meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am working on a sourdour starter so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we can have fresh bread. I personally am allergic to wheat and need something else to fill up on and we can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some chickens soon but it will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any advice? At this point we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it warms up. lol! Marcella _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 We live in Cumming, GA about an hour north of Atlanta. Marcella >From: " Deanna Buck " <dbuck@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: Which is better? >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:36:50 -0500 > >Marcella, > >Possibly telling us where you live might help. Then we can make >suggestions >as to farms that sell meats directly to the customer. It might be less >expensive for you to purchase a quarter or a side of beef. > >Deanna > >----- Original Message ----- >From: " Marcella Mathewes " <honoraholmes@...> >< > >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:26 AM >Subject: Which is better? > > >We are basically poor. My husband is a full time student and we have two >baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. We are on a budget. Meat >is just really expensive and that is the grain fed hormone laced stuff. >Would it be better to increase the animal products in our diet using the >grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and vegetables? I am just not >sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. As far as good foods >go, >what is most important for us? What should I buy first? I actually have >loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my son up on that when >meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am working on a sourdour >starter >so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we can have fresh bread. I >personally am allergic to wheat and need something else to fill up on and >we >can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some chickens soon but it >will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any advice? At this point >we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it warms up. lol! > >Marcella > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Dear Marcella, First let's discuss what you DON'T need to waste you limited resources on. Expensive cuts of muscle meats are over rated and over consumed. I could list several reasons as to at the very least limit your muscle meat consumption. It is true that an occasional really tender cut of expensive muscle meat steak is fun and delicious, it is not in any way a staple. So save your money and let the butcher sell the muscle meats to someone else, if you want and can afford to have a little that's fine. The two meat products that you should be most interested in are organ meats and bones. Fortunately most people don't have the foggiest idea what to do with these or know that they should and therefore these are much cheaper. Your best bet on acquiring these on a budget is NOT at your local grocer or health food store but instead doing some leg work and locating local farmers and finding out who has the high quality stuff. They may not be certified organic but you can actually go to the farm if its local and see things first hand. Many times they'll just be happy to get rid of these items as there may be too much for them and nobody else wants them. As you may know there are many valuable nutrients in meats especially organ meats. However in my opinion the most critical is the amino acids found there (specific proteins). Here is where you will get the most bang for your buck. Find a source of the leftover bones. Neck, leg, hoof, spine, rib, tail, etc these you can often get anywhere from .50 to $2 per pound depending on the farmer. And they are usually available in abundance as they are not big sellers hence they're cheap. If I could not afford any other foods I would get a hold of bones and make broths. As far as meat oriented staples go I would say there is no more valuable than the bone broth. Second would be the organ meats. Sally has terrific recipies for these detalied in her book and I'm certain if you have questions anyone on this site or the WPF site or email me and you can get any answers you may need with preparation instructions. I can not stress the value of making cheap easy bone broth for you and your family enough. Eggs are another excellent cheap food for you. Also you need to find local people selling them. We get eggs from roaming chickens who eat lots of bugs and have lots of sex for $1 for a dozen. The quality doesn't get any better. Don't waste your money on " omega " type eggs as they are more expensive often times and the nutrient profile I feel is better in the non grain fed egg. As for your fruits and vegetables I suggest driving around your neighborhood and find out who has a garden and befriend them. They will have extra for sure, there always is and they will give you some. Even if its not organic it will certainly be better than the oversprayed aged deficient stuff at the grocery. This is kind of tongue and cheek however it will work. Also again look for local farmers who let you pick your own fruits or veggies for a small fee. You can eat much of the fresh picks and freeze the rest for later. We have done that here in Ohio at times and got over $250 worth of fruit for less than $50. Another option is find a local cooperative, csa or farmer and offer to trade a few hours of work each week for food, especially in Georgia those opportunities should abound. Another option which I'm sure has occurred to you is you could grow your own garden. If you cannot afford to buy seeds my wife and I keep a very nice garden and I would be happy to give you our seeds. You can have a garden on your own land, in a large pot on an apartment balcony or patio, or even approach a farmer or land owner who might let you use their land to grow a garden if you shared some of the harvest. As you know you can make your own soaked grain and sourdough grain foods dirt cheap and provided you tolerate them well and you prepare them properly, by all means eat them. The one place where if at all possible I would do my very best not to skimp would be on butter and or coconut oil. There are no substitutes for these and they are essential in your diet so if I had to spend my extra money in any one place it would be on the best grassfed butter I could find. Marcella I don't know how short your resources are, however I am confident at the very least you can produce daily meals based in bone broth, eggs/organs, veggies and butter along with some of the yummy fresh properly prepared grains you'll grind and make on a really tight budget. And on that you'll be the healthiest people in the neighborhood. Should you have any questions please feel free to email me at mmarasco@... I'll be happy to help. Also look at the website www.eatwild.com as they will list for you some of the high quality farmers in your state. All My Best, Dr. Marasco Cincinnati, OH --- In @y..., " Marcella Mathewes " <honoraholmes@h...> wrote: > We are basically poor. My husband is a full time student and we have two > baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. We are on a budget. Meat > is just really expensive and that is the grain fed hormone laced stuff. > Would it be better to increase the animal products in our diet using the > grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and vegetables? I am just not > sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. As far as good foods go, > what is most important for us? What should I buy first? I actually have > loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my son up on that when > meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am working on a sourdour starter > so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we can have fresh bread. I > personally am allergic to wheat and need something else to fill up on and we > can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some chickens soon but it > will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any advice? At this point > we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it warms up. lol! > > Marcella > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Also, I find that some WholeFoods stores carry New Zealand Grass-fed beef and lamb. The lamb often is available as " stew cuts " which are the left-over pieces from other, more expensive cuts. The stew cuts are fairly inexpensive by comparison and you can hand-grind it (try the old type of grinder) or just have it as is. Also, beef is an acceptable brand and isn't that expensive (but I think at least some grain feeding). -=mark=- >--- Marcella Mathewes <honoraholmes@...> >wrote: > > We are basically poor. My husband is a full time > > student and we have two > > baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. > > We are on a budget. Meat > > is just really expensive and that is the grain fed > > hormone laced stuff. > > Would it be better to increase the animal products > > in our diet using the > > grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and > > vegetables? I am just not > > sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. > > As far as good foods go, > > what is most important for us? What should I buy > > first? I actually have > > loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my > > son up on that when > > meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am > > working on a sourdour starter > > so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we > > can have fresh bread. I > > personally am allergic to wheat and need something > > else to fill up on and we > > can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some > > chickens soon but it > > will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any > > advice? At this point > > we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it > > warms up. lol! > > > > Marcella > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Luckily, most of the grocery stores here on Oahu carry New Zealand lamb and it is one of the cheapest meats available at about $2 a pound. For the lady on the budget, see Appendix A in Sally's book " Nourishing Traditions, " as it has tips for people like you who are on a budget. Also, the regular use of bone broths in the diet has a protein-sparing effect, making them ideal for people who cannot afford meat. Soup bones can be bought very cheaply at markets. Check the section on broth at www.westonaprice.org for more on this. Other cheap animal foods, besides eggs, would be organ meats as they are not popular food items with the public anymore. SCB >From: Theta Sigma <thetasig@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Which is better? >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:59:07 -0800 > >Also, I find that some WholeFoods stores carry New Zealand Grass-fed beef >and lamb. The lamb often is available as " stew cuts " which are the >left-over pieces from other, more expensive cuts. The stew cuts are fairly >inexpensive by comparison and you can hand-grind it (try the old type of >grinder) or just have it as is. Also, beef is an acceptable brand >and isn't that expensive (but I think at least some grain feeding). > >-=mark=- > > > >--- Marcella Mathewes <honoraholmes@...> > >wrote: > > > We are basically poor. My husband is a full time > > > student and we have two > > > baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. > > > We are on a budget. Meat > > > is just really expensive and that is the grain fed > > > hormone laced stuff. > > > Would it be better to increase the animal products > > > in our diet using the > > > grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and > > > vegetables? I am just not > > > sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. > > > As far as good foods go, > > > what is most important for us? What should I buy > > > first? I actually have > > > loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my > > > son up on that when > > > meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am > > > working on a sourdour starter > > > so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we > > > can have fresh bread. I > > > personally am allergic to wheat and need something > > > else to fill up on and we > > > can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some > > > chickens soon but it > > > will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any > > > advice? At this point > > > we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it > > > warms up. lol! > > > > > > Marcella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 Wow!! A fellow Georgian!! Woo-hoo!! I'm in ville, 40 minutes west of Atlanta. I have some friends in Cumming, so I go there every so often. I'm still pretty new to this way of eating, but since we are on a budget also, I hope I can help you. We just purchased part of a grass fed cow this winter from a guy in Newnan. I know of a person in Northeast Cobb co. who has a few chickens that are eating rye grass and have BRIGHT orange yolks. There is a guy in Jasper with Jersey cows that we get milk from. There is a CSA in north georgia that I can find details for you... I live 15 minutes from an organic farm and I go there and volunteer my labor once a week in exchange for produce. It is a great situation to be able to learn from them also. I'm sure if you wanted to drive this far, they could certainly use the help. I'd love to meet you sometime...If you email me personally, I'll give you my phone number so I can give you more details... Glad to find someone so close by, Becky --- In @y..., " Marcella Mathewes " <honoraholmes@h...> wrote: > We live in Cumming, GA about an hour north of Atlanta. > > Marcella > > > >From: " Deanna Buck " <dbuck@e...> > >Reply- @y... > >< @y...> > >Subject: Re: Which is better? > >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:36:50 -0500 > > > >Marcella, > > > >Possibly telling us where you live might help. Then we can make > >suggestions > >as to farms that sell meats directly to the customer. It might be less > >expensive for you to purchase a quarter or a side of beef. > > > >Deanna > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: " Marcella Mathewes " <honoraholmes@h...> > >< @y...> > >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:26 AM > >Subject: Which is better? > > > > > >We are basically poor. My husband is a full time student and we have two > >baby boys and I am nursing the youngest full time. We are on a budget. Meat > >is just really expensive and that is the grain fed hormone laced stuff. > >Would it be better to increase the animal products in our diet using the > >grain fed stuff or to just have more fruits and vegetables? I am just not > >sure where to spend the money at the grocery store. As far as good foods > >go, > >what is most important for us? What should I buy first? I actually have > >loads of organic grains but I don't want to fill my son up on that when > >meats and vegetables are more nutritious. I am working on a sourdour > >starter > >so I can make sourdough bread. I have a mill so we can have fresh bread. I > >personally am allergic to wheat and need something else to fill up on and > >we > >can't afford to fill up on meat. I plan to get some chickens soon but it > >will be awhile before we get anything from them. Any advice? At this point > >we are going to be foraging snails at dusk when it warms up. lol! > > > >Marcella > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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