Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 , What does safety have to do with not getting his lunch?? Lois Update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 , I'm so sorry that this is going on. It seems so many people have trouble with their school district. It must be so hard to send your child to people you do not trust. I don't really have any advice except to keep being a presence in the school and to keep going up the chain of command until you find someone who will help. Your son deserves to be in a safe,consistent learning environment and I know you will keep fighting and talking to them until he gets what he needs. Have you considered having an outside party come in to observe? I know in WI if you request this they have to allow an independent observer ( you both get to agree on who is qualified and who you want) into his class. Hope things get better! Kellie Subject: UpdateTo: AutismBehaviorProblems Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 1:33 PM Hi everyone, I'm so sorry for all the emails this morning. Forgive me for poppingin and out and leaving a mess of posts behind. I hope something I saymay be of a tiny help to someone. Anyway, please let me know what youthink of this....My son came home the other day and said that they didn't let him havelunch....and it was true....they admitted it...The teacher said it wasfor his safety. (and he's on med's.) Isn't there a law that protects children from this type of neglect? That's what I asked the teacher in different words though.Also, has anyone ever heard of a FBA? Functional behavioral analysis? I've never heard of this till recently and I guess it's where theyanaylize the child and try to figure what the triggers are.Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 If I'm not mistaken, FBA would be a data collection by a trained behaviorist. In the behavior world, there are the ABC's (A)ntecedent (B)ehavior and ©onsequence. The theory is that if you collect data to figure out the purpose of the behavior. For example, my son bites. One antecedant would be confusion-too much around him. The consequence of the bite is he gets time alone (or rather with one person) in a quiet place where he can calm down. Ideally, from an FBA you should be able to figure out what the triggers are (time of day, food, sensory input) and what the person gets from the behavior (avoidance, attention, sensory input for self-regulation). Then, in theory, you can (a) work on acceptance of the triggers (desensitization, self-recognition and removal, etc) and ( divert the negative behavior to a more appropriate form (and eventual extinction). Biggest problem I've seen with this approach is the quality of the staff making the observations. One behaviorist told us once that there was no antecedent for a biting incident. After dealing with this problem for 3 years, I can darn well tell you that there is always a reason, this " expert " just wasn't paying enough attention (during a behavioral session)--sorry for the vent. With respect to the lunch thing, heck yeah there are laws about this. At the basic core, no child can maintain focus (and that's what ultimately we are speaking of, focus on their own behavior and self-control) when they are hungry. Because I'm a pain in the butt, I would request an IEP meeting and have it written into his IEP that he must be allowed to eat (fill in how often). Make it a condition of his behavior-he can't behave appropriately when he is hungry. Since they would withhold lunch (how is it dangerous to him??), I would also be concerned with removing recess or play time. I've heard of other parents in my district who have had to fight for recess. Basically, the kid can't focus so they don't get through their work, teacher makes him/her stay in for recess to finish the work. End result is the kid loses it and misses (for all intents and purposes) the rest of the school day. Hope this helps, > > > Subject: Update > To: AutismBehaviorProblems > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 1:33 PM > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > I'm so sorry for all the emails this morning. Forgive me for popping > in and out and leaving a mess of posts behind. I hope something I say > may be of a tiny help to someone. Anyway, please let me know what you > think of this.... > > My son came home the other day and said that they didn't let him have > lunch....and it was true....they admitted it...The teacher said it was > for his safety. (and he's on med's.) > Isn't there a law that protects children from this type of neglect? > That's what I asked the teacher in different words though. > > Also, has anyone ever heard of a FBA? Functional behavioral analysis? > I've never heard of this till recently and I guess it's where they > anaylize the child and try to figure what the triggers are. > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 An FBA is a Functional Behavioral Assessment. It is the first component of a Positive Behavioral Support plan or intervention. It is data driven. Typically, if done correctly, it should go something like this. First a single targeted behavior is decided on, let's say biting of others. It needs to be clearly defined so everyone who is observing and recording data knows what they are looking at. Be specific, for instance biting of self is a completely different behavior than biting of others. Then everybody observes the child and takes down the data on the biting. By everybody I mean everybody; general ed teacher, SpEd teacher, bus driver, aides, SLP, parents, caregivers, grandma....Where and what time it happened(setting), what happened right before and who was bit (trigger), how long it lasted (duration), and what happened right after (resolution). You can just jot it down on a simple form with those 4 headings. Ideally you should do it for about a month, at least a couple of weeks. Then you get together, with your data and chart it out. A pattern will develop, especially if you collect enough observations in enough settings. From there the team draws up a Positive Behavioral Support plan (PBS). Many schools, districts and states are embracing this model and have specialists to advise and lead your team. Ask your school or the special ed co-ordinator at the district level for info about this. My district does a shortened version of this called a " Kid Focus " , which is a 3 hour mini FBA PBS meeting. If the team can't figure out the triggers, meaning and purpose of the behavior there, then we go on to the longer FBA. It can be a fantastic way to make interventions and accommodations that actually work. > > Hi everyone, > I'm so sorry for all the emails this morning. Forgive me for popping > in and out and leaving a mess of posts behind. I hope something I say > may be of a tiny help to someone. Anyway, please let me know what you > think of this.... > > My son came home the other day and said that they didn't let him have > lunch....and it was true....they admitted it...The teacher said it was > for his safety. (and he's on med's.) > Isn't there a law that protects children from this type of neglect? > That's what I asked the teacher in different words though. > > Also, has anyone ever heard of a FBA? Functional behavioral analysis? > I've never heard of this till recently and I guess it's where they > anaylize the child and try to figure what the triggers are. > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 That is exactly what we are doing Kellie! this is a good idea! We are having Dr Brouillard from Little Friends come in to observe! Actually I just got off the phone with them and had to call the school and talk to the assistant principal because Miss Jenna is not there this week to check if it is ok! They want to come on the 4th of Dec and I have to let them know today so it can be scheduled! So the assistant principal is going to go down and check with the assistants and then she is going to get back to me she said today! I called her on Fri 2 times and never heard back from her so we will see! That was about something else though!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:12:35 -0800 (PST)To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Re: Update , I'm so sorry that this is going on. It seems so many people have trouble with their school district. It must be so hard to send your child to people you do not trust. I don't really have any advice except to keep being a presence in the school and to keep going up the chain of command until you find someone who will help. Your son deserves to be in a safe,consistent learning environment and I know you will keep fighting and talking to them until he gets what he needs. Have you considered having an outside party come in to observe? I know in WI if you request this they have to allow an independent observer ( you both get to agree on who is qualified and who you want) into his class. Hope things get better! KellieFrom: shouttothenorth2 <gardendaisy1msn>Subject: UpdateTo: AutismBehaviorProblems Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 1:33 PMHi everyone, I'm so sorry for all the emails this morning. Forgive me for poppingin and out and leaving a mess of posts behind. I hope something I saymay be of a tiny help to someone. Anyway, please let me know what youthink of this....My son came home the other day and said that they didn't let him havelunch....and it was true....they admitted it...The teacher said it wasfor his safety. (and he's on med's.) Isn't there a law that protects children from this type of neglect? That's what I asked the teacher in different words though.Also, has anyone ever heard of a FBA? Functional behavioral analysis? I've never heard of this till recently and I guess it's where theyanaylize the child and try to figure what the triggers are.Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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