Re: What happened on Fri

November 5, 2008

Yes he does have Autism and if he is low functioning, the powers that be at the school need to be more tender to that.

Stacie I know how hard it is to set limits, as I too do not know how much truly understands ( at this point seems to be high functioning...but then again he's had intervention since he was 10 months old...)...but I'm working on it hard...I remember the first time I knew we were going to have temper problems...we were doing exercise on his ball...we were singing row, row, row....I said, "OK, one more time and then All done." He was OK until it truly happened...he shrieked for the better part of an hour....ballistic. I recall thinking, "OK, I can sit here and keep my hand on his shoulder (if he'll let me), and not say anything until he calms..., OR, I can let him have the ball back, and I'll have to live with the consequences." I remember I sat with him, but I had to turn my back as it was not helpful to pay attention....every time he took even a nano second of a breath I'd turn and say with a smile... "OH, your

calming..." The second I got out the "OH," He began to rage more...it was very hard. However, I tell you, it made a big difference, and still does...I do it on a daily basis...one because I'm old LOL and another because I know it is the only way he is going to learn.........heart wrenching for sure....I've noticed the more I do, the less longevity, he has as it relates to his fits. I so hope it continues...

It's soooooooooooooooooooo freaking hard!!!!!!!!! LOL

e

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------To: AutismBehaviorProblems Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:27:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: What happened on Fri?

Thanks e. was so upset and kept saying I want to go to the party and the principal said that it was good that he was making the connection that he could not go because of what happened. I did agree then, that you do not get rewarded for behavior like that, but let's take into consideration my boy has Autism. I just don't know what I think right now. Stacie In a message dated 11/4/2008 12:21:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ljdjd1234yahoo (DOT) com writes:

It's not solely a matter of teaching them right from wrong. You are a good mom. Get him good intervention and do it now. ABA is a good idea...or have you heard of RDI...? It is something you can do at home with him --- it's also a good combo with ABA. So sorry you are going through this... Glad you are here! e

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: Oreyell

November 5, 2008

OK, it's late and I'm getting laughably mushy....story of my life...Isn't that what we are here for??? To lend and ear, to reassure, and to strengthen one another no matter what. Clearly, we can't condone everything ..., but we can always love, and listen...Sometimes when the day is rough with ( I have a million wonderful girlfriends), I come to you all....because I KNOW you will get it.........., don't have to explain a thing. I can go on and on if I want to (which I often do LOL) ---, or I can say, "my day has been so hard I cannot even speak." The outflowing of genuine love spills over...........that's what groups like this are about..., I'm soooooooooooooooo impressed with our group, as we do not blast one another...we don't always agree, and say

so at times, but this is by far the most accepting group I've been on. We all do Autism differently, but there is very little, if any infighting...that's a major thing in this day and age of Autism and it's treatment...I'm proud of us!!!!! Thanks to all... e (I truly am going to bed now) LOL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------To: AutismBehaviorProblems Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:00:47 PMSubject: Re: What happened on Fri.

They really do add comfort to me and thanks so much. What you say does mean the world to me, and I am so happy to have this group. Stacie In a message dated 11/4/2008 5:24:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ljdjd1234yahoo (DOT) com writes:

I'm glad my words can add comfort to you...I know I love to be told that I'm doing a good job It helps me so much!!!!!!!! I will be back and forth tonight, as I'm watching election coverage....

For now know that I'm thinking about you, and I think I do fully understand now LOL....,'ve only been corresponding for months

J

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----From: Stacie To: AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:12:56 PMSubject: Re: What happened on Fri.

e, what you say does mean so much to me! It really does and for you to say how proud of me you are! Wow!!!Ok, is in a mainstream school but the Autism class that was started is there! Miss Jenna is his full time teacher and specializes in Autism! The classroom is a closed, self contained class! Mrs Stamfa is the higher functioning sped teacher that goes to her class every day from 45 min to an hour! I don't know what is up in her class if it is all Autism or mixed disabilities! I will find out tomorrow when we go to observe the class at 915! I am just thinking what is the point of even going there to observe and have the staffing and all when I know he is not high functioning! I did get the invite today though for the staffing on the 13th, I think it is!Stacie

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> >

> > Hello everyone! How are you all doing? So much is still going on

> here and I have been wanting to post about it but just did not

have

> the energy to go through it all! So I decided this morning I would

> do it!

> > So, on Fri I was going to s Halloween party at school! I was

> going to go around 1. Well I was at Walmart shopping for the

> surprise treat that I was taking and I got a call from the

assistant

> principal, and it was about 1220! She said hi Stacie, I hate to

tell

> you this but we need you to come and get . He is having a very

> hard time and Mrs Stampa had to restrain him for a half hour! I

was

> like oh boy! Mrs stampa is the teacher that was in the meeting

with

> us and the teacher that has for an hour or so a day and has

sped

> kids and only 6 in her class but higher functioning kids! This is

> the class that they were thinking about moving into and we

are

> going to observe tomorrow even though I can tell you right now I

> don't agree and neither does the psychologist from Little Friends

as

> she confirmed to me the other day is not high functioning and

he

> is low functioning. People think he is high because he is verbal.

> Anyhow I told her ok I am at the store getting treats for the

kids.

> I will be there soon! When I got out to my car I called back and

> asked if he was calm now and she said yes! I said well since I am

> going to be there for the party and since he is ok now can we stay

> and if he starts acting up we will leave? She said the teachers

> thought he needed to be picked up but she would go down and aske

them

> and let me know when I got there! So I got there with all my stuff

> for the kids! I got to the office and the principal came out and

he

> said we can't let him stay! He punched Mrs Stampa and left a

bruise

> on her face! I was horrified! He said he just can't let him stay

> because that is awarding a behavior and I could understand that! I

> told him I would of never asked if he could stay if I would of

known

> that! I felt terrible! I guess he was restrained for a half hour

> and Miss Jenna helped some and the principal came and got him and

> took him with him for about an hour into the older kids music

classes

> and he was ok and liked it and he said he is gonna try to do that

> more! loves music and learns by it too! Anyhow by now I am

> crying! I said this is what I deal with every day and they said we

> know and we are going to get you help! By this time the assistant

> principal was out there too! I just kept saying I am so sorry! Now

> remember in the meeting Mrs Stampa and everyone said they could

not

> imagine acting like he does at home and with the aggression etc!

> Well I guess they see it now! And just on Wed I got a note home

from

> Mrs Lotito the Autism specialist from the child service center and

> the one who works closely with Miss Jenna and and runs the support

> group about how they do not see these behaviors in school etc and

> then Miss Jenna wrote a note saying the same thing! So was

> brought down to me and kept saying I want go party and was crying

and

> Mr Hickman said this is good because he is making the connection!

I

> gave the cookie cake I bought for the class to Miss Yirmis the

> assistant and the cards for the teachers and the goodie bags for

the

> kids and then we left both and I in tears! We talked about

good

> choices and bad choices with pix cues and went home! I called his

dr

> after I called Jim! Jim was at his grandmas house and I was

> bawling! I then called his Dr and was put right through to the

> nurse! Usually I have to leave a message but I was put right

through

> and the nurse Maureen who we just love was very supportive

listened

> then went and talked to the dr and called me back and she wanted

me

> to take to get his Depekote levels checked by bloodwork and

they

> increased his Risperdal! He was taking .25 at bedtime! Now since

> sat for 3 days he was to take half a pill and the full one at

night

> and starting today it is a full pill in the am and a full one in

the

> PM! Getting his bloodwork on Sat was very upsetting and we had to

> get someone else in there to help! He was very aggressive the rest

> of Fri that I did not take him out trick or treating! Sat he was

> pretty bad too! Sun and Mon were pretty good days! So that is what

> has been going on here! And also the fact that I am not getting

much

> in communication from Miss Jenna! I go today for paren teacher

> conferences at 10! I went for s yesterday and then also go

for

> Lexies today at 130 and then have to vote in between those times!

> And hopefully go grocery shopping! Then tonight we have our group

> workout with my weightloss clinic!

> > Have a good day everyone!

> > Stacie

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November 5, 2008

Hey Stacie, I just wanted to send you and a hug from me and my

son. My son had to miss a party too. He hit on an impulse. He didnt

know he would miss the party because he hit. He cried the biggest

tears,so did I. He was so happy about the party and I felt so bad

that he missed it. I am not saying it was ok for my son to hit. I

just believe he couldnt control his impulse. My son is low

functioning too. They just do not understand how to control impulses.

My son only knew he missed fun and treats. He never understood it was

because he hit. So heartbreaking for everyone. I felt bad and

apologized ect. and do not ever say its ok to hit. I still felt it

was heartbreaking all the way around.

I have been in your shoes,it hurts.

Hugs and more hugs,

Tishanne

- In AutismBehaviorProblems , hawkie6@... wrote:

>

> Thanks Tishanne. What you said makes me feel better and I know

you are

> right. I will have to email Sara and see if she can send me some

of what she has.

>

> Stacie

>

> In a message dated 11/4/2008 12:31:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> tishannepatterson@... writes:

>

> Hi,I am in the same boat. I can't find a school with any autism

> programs or resources for my son. I am homeschooling for now. If

your

> son has a good caring experience now,even though he is not

learning

> somethings, I think its still a good experience for him. Many of

our

> kids are having a bad experience and not learning. Perhaps you can

> discover his learning style during this time. It takes lots of

> patience to find the right enviroment. You have done an excellent

job

> of finding a good enviroment,thats worth its weight in gold. Its

> still learning,even if its not on paper or by reading. One of the

> moms,Sara in this group has a website of learning programs.

Perhaps

> something will click with your son from one of her free

> resources,programs. Search posts from Sara or post a question to

her.

> She is a teacher,mom and designed her programs with autism

friendly

> learning ideas.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tishanne

> -- In _AutismBehaviorProblAutismBehaviorPrAut_

> (mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ) , Oreyell

> <oreyelljames@ore> wrote:

> >

> > thank you.

> >

> > I am still searching for a school for him. I have been to 12

school

> in duval county and they just look at his matrix score and so no,

no

> no, no!!!! So tired. I have been trying for 3 years to find the

right

> fit. none yet. The private school he is in now I love the people

and

> they way they treat him, they love him! AWH!!!! But they can not

> accommodate him he is not learning and they have no low ratios and

he

> is further and further behind. They can deal with his behavior

just

> fine but they can't teach him. It never fails it is always

something.

> He can not right nor can he read but he is very verbal he talks to

me

> and he asks questions. But that is it!

> >

> > From: tishannepatterson <tishannepatterson@tis>

> > Subject: Re: What happened on Fri

> > To: _AutismBehaviorProblAutismBehaviorPrAut_

> (mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems )

> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:47 PM

> >

> > Hi Oreyell,welcome! You are not alone. This group is a wonderful

> > place,so happy you joined. My son curses and has many other

> behaviors

> > that caused us to leave his school also. You are right,its

> > embarrassing because we do teach right from wrong. Our kids have

> > behaviors of their own that they, or we have no control of.

> Negative

> > comments from outsiders just add to our grief and theirs. I

really

> > feel for you and your child.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Tishanne

> >

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone! How are you all doing? So much is still

going

> on

> > > here and I have been wanting to post about it but just did not

> have

> > > the energy to go through it all! So I decided this morning I

> would

> > > do it!

> > > > So, on Fri I was going to s Halloween party at school! I

> was

> > > going to go around 1. Well I was at Walmart shopping for the

> > > surprise treat that I was taking and I got a call from the

> > assistant

> > > principal, and it was about 1220! She said hi Stacie, I hate

to

> > tell

> > > you this but we need you to come and get . He is having a

> very

> > > hard time and Mrs Stampa had to restrain him for a half hour!

I

> was

> > > like oh boy! Mrs stampa is the teacher that was in the meeting

> with

> > > us and the teacher that has for an hour or so a day and

has

> > sped

> > > kids and only 6 in her class but higher functioning kids! This

is

> > > the class that they were thinking about moving into and

we

> are

> > > going to observe tomorrow even though I can tell you right now

I

> > > don't agree and neither does the psychologist from Little

Friends

> > as

> > > she confirmed to me the other day is not high functioning

> and

> > he

> > > is low functioning. People think he is high because he is

verbal.

> > > Anyhow I told her ok I am at the store getting treats for the

> kids.

> > > I will be there soon! When I got out to my car I called back

and

> > > asked if he was calm now and she said yes! I said well since I

am

> > > going to be there for the party and since he is ok now can we

> stay

> > > and if he starts acting up we will leave? She said the

teachers

> > > thought he needed to be picked up but she would go down and

aske

> > them

> > > and let me know when I got there! So I got there with all my

> stuff

> > > for the kids! I got to the office and the principal came out

and

> he

> > > said we can't let him stay! He punched Mrs Stampa and left a

> bruise

> > > on her face! I was horrified! He said he just can't let him

stay

> > > because that is awarding a behavior and I could understand

that!

> I

> > > told him I would of never asked if he could stay if I would of

> > known

> > > that! I felt terrible! I guess he was restrained for a half

hour

> > > and Miss Jenna helped some and the principal came and got him

and

> > > took him with him for about an hour into the older kids music

> > classes

> > > and he was ok and liked it and he said he is gonna try to do

that

> > > more! loves music and learns by it too! Anyhow by now I

am

> > > crying! I said this is what I deal with every day and they

said

> we

> > > know and we are going to get you help! By this time the

assistant

> > > principal was out there too! I just kept saying I am so sorry!

> Now

> > > remember in the meeting Mrs Stampa and everyone said they

could

> not

> > > imagine acting like he does at home and with the aggression

etc!

> > > Well I guess they see it now! And just on Wed I got a note

home

> > from

> > > Mrs Lotito the Autism specialist from the child service center

> and

> > > the one who works closely with Miss Jenna and and runs the

> support

> > > group about how they do not see these behaviors in school etc

and

> > > then Miss Jenna wrote a note saying the same thing! So

was

> > > brought down to me and kept saying I want go party and was

crying

> > and

> > > Mr Hickman said this is good because he is making the

connection!

> I

> > > gave the cookie cake I bought for the class to Miss Yirmis the

> > > assistant and the cards for the teachers and the goodie bags

for

> > the

> > > kids and then we left both and I in tears! We talked

about

> > good

> > > choices and bad choices with pix cues and went home! I called

his

> > dr

> > > after I called Jim! Jim was at his grandmas house and I was

> > > bawling! I then called his Dr and was put right through to the

> > > nurse! Usually I have to leave a message but I was put right

> > through

> > > and the nurse Maureen who we just love was very supportive

> listened

> > > then went and talked to the dr and called me back and she

wanted

> me

> > > to take to get his Depekote levels checked by bloodwork

and

> > they

> > > increased his Risperdal! He was taking .25 at bedtime! Now

since

> > > sat for 3 days he was to take half a pill and the full one at

> night

> > > and starting today it is a full pill in the am and a full one

in

> > the

> > > PM! Getting his bloodwork on Sat was very upsetting and we had

to

> > > get someone else in there to help! He was very aggressive the

> rest

> > > of Fri that I did not take him out trick or treating! Sat he

was

> > > pretty bad too! Sun and Mon were pretty good days! So that is

> what

> > > has been going on here! And also the fact that I am not

getting

> > much

> > > in communication from Miss Jenna! I go today for paren teacher

> > > conferences at 10! I went for s yesterday and then also

go

> > for

> > > Lexies today at 130 and then have to vote in between those

times!

> > > And hopefully go grocery shopping! Then tonight we have our

group

> > > workout with my weightloss clinic!

> > > > Have a good day everyone!

> > > > Stacie

> > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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November 5, 2008

Lois! Thanks for your post! No does not have his own aide! There is a teacher and 3 assistants in his room and only 3 students! He is in an Autism diagnostic classroom for K too and it it a closed classroom!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:27:52 -0500To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Re: What happened on Fri Stacie, I am so sorry to hear what happened. i have been there of course. (J is 21 now). Does he have his own aid? J has always had his own aid. J also has his own rocking chair to sit in when he needs to calm out. Sometimes Don (His aid) just takes J for a walk in the building or outside to get him back on track. ((HUGS)) Lois What happened on Fri

November 5, 2008

Ya I know and he is in a sped program and an Autism class too! But I guess that he did not make good choices therefore he had to go home and not be able to stay for the party! Miss Jenna emailed me today and asked me to not tell that I will be there tomorrow because with the long weekend for him and all they want him to have a good day and he knew that I would be coming to his school for the party!We are going tomorrow to observe in Mrs stamfas class!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:03:07 -0800 (PST)To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Re: Re: What happened on Fri Yes he does have Autism and if he is low functioning, the powers that be at the school need to be more tender to that. Stacie I know how hard it is to set limits, as I too do not know how much truly understands ( at this point seems to be high functioning...but then again he's had intervention since he was 10 months old...)...but I'm working on it hard...I remember the first time I knew we were going to have temper problems...we were doing exercise on his ball...we were singing row, row, row....I said, "OK, one more time and then All done." He was OK until it truly happened...he shrieked for the better part of an hour....ballistic. I recall thinking, "OK, I can sit here and keep my hand on his shoulder (if he'll let me), and not say anything until he calms..., OR, I can let him have the ball back, and I'll have to live with the consequences." I remember I sat with him, but I had to turn my back as it was not helpful to pay attention....every time he took even a nano second of a breath I'd turn and say with a smile... "OH, your calming..." The second I got out the "OH," He began to rage more...it was very hard. However, I tell you, it made a big difference, and still does...I do it on a daily basis...one because I'm old LOL and another because I know it is the only way he is going to learn.........heart wrenching for sure....I've noticed the more I do, the less longevity, he has as it relates to his fits. I so hope it continues... It's soooooooooooooooooooo freaking hard!!!!!!!!! LOLe --------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: "hawkie6aol" <hawkie6aol>To: AutismBehaviorProblems Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:27:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: What happened on Fri?Thanks e. was so upset and kept saying I want to go to the party and the principal said that it was good that he was making the connection that he could not go because of what happened. I did agree then, that you do not get rewarded for behavior like that, but let's take into consideration my boy has Autism. I just don't know what I think right now. Stacie In a message dated 11/4/2008 12:21:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ljdjd1234yahoo (DOT) com writes:It's not solely a matter of teaching them right from wrong. You are a good mom. Get him good intervention and do it now. ABA is a good idea...or have you heard of RDI...? It is something you can do at home with him --- it's also a good combo with ABA. So sorry you are going through this... Glad you are here! e --------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: Oreyell

November 5, 2008

Thanks Tishanne! It was heartbreaking and I cried and he cried! I know how you and your son felt! Thanks for the hugs from both of you! And hugs are being sent right back to you from and I!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:00:40 -0000To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Re: What happened on Fri Hey Stacie, I just wanted to send you and a hug from me and my son. My son had to miss a party too. He hit on an impulse. He didnt know he would miss the party because he hit. He cried the biggest tears,so did I. He was so happy about the party and I felt so bad that he missed it. I am not saying it was ok for my son to hit. I just believe he couldnt control his impulse. My son is low functioning too. They just do not understand how to control impulses. My son only knew he missed fun and treats. He never understood it was because he hit. So heartbreaking for everyone. I felt bad and apologized ect. and do not ever say its ok to hit. I still felt it was heartbreaking all the way around. I have been in your shoes,it hurts. Hugs and more hugs, Tishanne - In AutismBehaviorProblems , hawkie6@... wrote: > > Thanks Tishanne. What you said makes me feel better and I know you are > right. I will have to email Sara and see if she can send me some of what she has. > > Stacie > > > > > > > > Hi,I am in the same boat. I can't find a school with any autism > programs or resources for my son. I am homeschooling for now. If your > son has a good caring experience now,even though he is not learning > somethings, I think its still a good experience for him. Many of our > kids are having a bad experience and not learning. Perhaps you can > discover his learning style during this time. It takes lots of > patience to find the right enviroment. You have done an excellent job > of finding a good enviroment,thats worth its weight in gold. Its > still learning,even if its not on paper or by reading. One of the > moms,Sara in this group has a website of learning programs. Perhaps > something will click with your son from one of her free > resources,programs. Search posts from Sara or post a question to her. > She is a teacher,mom and designed her programs with autism friendly > learning ideas. > > Best wishes, > Tishanne > -- In _AutismBehaviorProblAutismBehaviorPrAut_ > (mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ) , Oreyell > <oreyelljames@ore> wrote: > > > > thank you. > > > > I am still searching for a school for him. I have been to 12 school > in duval county and they just look at his matrix score and so no, no > no, no!!!! So tired. I have been trying for 3 years to find the right > fit. none yet. The private school he is in now I love the people and > they way they treat him, they love him! AWH!!!! But they can not > accommodate him he is not learning and they have no low ratios and he > is further and further behind. They can deal with his behavior just > fine but they can't teach him. It never fails it is always something. > He can not right nor can he read but he is very verbal he talks to me > and he asks questions. But that is it! > > > > > > > > From: tishannepatterson <tishannepatterson@tis> > > Subject: Re: What happened on Fri > > To: _AutismBehaviorProblAutismBehaviorPrAut_ > (mailto:AutismBehaviorProblems ) > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Oreyell,welcome! You are not alone. This group is a wonderful > > place,so happy you joined. My son curses and has many other > behaviors > > that caused us to leave his school also. You are right,its > > embarrassing because we do teach right from wrong. Our kids have > > behaviors of their own that they, or we have no control of. > Negative > > comments from outsiders just add to our grief and theirs. I really > > feel for you and your child. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tishanne > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone! How are you all doing? So much is still going > on > > > here and I have been wanting to post about it but just did not > have > > > the energy to go through it all! So I decided this morning I > would > > > do it! > > > > So, on Fri I was going to s Halloween party at school! I > was > > > going to go around 1. Well I was at Walmart shopping for the > > > surprise treat that I was taking and I got a call from the > > assistant > > > principal, and it was about 1220! She said hi Stacie, I hate to > > tell > > > you this but we need you to come and get . He is having a > very > > > hard time and Mrs Stampa had to restrain him for a half hour! I > was > > > like oh boy! Mrs stampa is the teacher that was in the meeting > with > > > us and the teacher that has for an hour or so a day and has > > sped > > > kids and only 6 in her class but higher functioning kids! This is > > > the class that they were thinking about moving into and we > are > > > going to observe tomorrow even though I can tell you right now I > > > don't agree and neither does the psychologist from Little Friends > > as > > > she confirmed to me the other day is not high functioning > and > > he > > > is low functioning. People think he is high because he is verbal. > > > Anyhow I told her ok I am at the store getting treats for the > kids. > > > I will be there soon! When I got out to my car I called back and > > > asked if he was calm now and she said yes! I said well since I am > > > going to be there for the party and since he is ok now can we > stay > > > and if he starts acting up we will leave? She said the teachers > > > thought he needed to be picked up but she would go down and aske > > them > > > and let me know when I got there! So I got there with all my > stuff > > > for the kids! I got to the office and the principal came out and > he > > > said we can't let him stay! He punched Mrs Stampa and left a > bruise > > > on her face! I was horrified! He said he just can't let him stay > > > because that is awarding a behavior and I could understand that! > I > > > told him I would of never asked if he could stay if I would of > > known > > > that! I felt terrible! I guess he was restrained for a half hour > > > and Miss Jenna helped some and the principal came and got him and > > > took him with him for about an hour into the older kids music > > classes > > > and he was ok and liked it and he said he is gonna try to do that > > > more! loves music and learns by it too! Anyhow by now I am > > > crying! I said this is what I deal with every day and they said > we > > > know and we are going to get you help! By this time the assistant > > > principal was out there too! I just kept saying I am so sorry! > Now > > > remember in the meeting Mrs Stampa and everyone said they could > not > > > imagine acting like he does at home and with the aggression etc! > > > Well I guess they see it now! And just on Wed I got a note home > > from > > > Mrs Lotito the Autism specialist from the child service center > and > > > the one who works closely with Miss Jenna and and runs the > support > > > group about how they do not see these behaviors in school etc and > > > then Miss Jenna wrote a note saying the same thing! So was > > > brought down to me and kept saying I want go party and was crying > > and > > > Mr Hickman said this is good because he is making the connection! > I > > > gave the cookie cake I bought for the class to Miss Yirmis the > > > assistant and the cards for the teachers and the goodie bags for > > the > > > kids and then we left both and I in tears! We talked about > > good > > > choices and bad choices with pix cues and went home! I called his > > dr > > > after I called Jim! Jim was at his grandmas house and I was > > > bawling! I then called his Dr and was put right through to the > > > nurse! Usually I have to leave a message but I was put right > > through > > > and the nurse Maureen who we just love was very supportive > listened > > > then went and talked to the dr and called me back and she wanted > me > > > to take to get his Depekote levels checked by bloodwork and > > they > > > increased his Risperdal! He was taking .25 at bedtime! Now since > > > sat for 3 days he was to take half a pill and the full one at > night > > > and starting today it is a full pill in the am and a full one in > > the > > > PM! Getting his bloodwork on Sat was very upsetting and we had to > > > get someone else in there to help! He was very aggressive the > rest > > > of Fri that I did not take him out trick or treating! Sat he was > > > pretty bad too! Sun and Mon were pretty good days! So that is > what > > > has been going on here! And also the fact that I am not getting > > much > > > in communication from Miss Jenna! I go today for paren teacher > > > conferences at 10! I went for s yesterday and then also go > > for > > > Lexies today at 130 and then have to vote in between those times! > > > And hopefully go grocery shopping! Then tonight we have our group > > > workout with my weightloss clinic! > > > > Have a good day everyone! > > > > Stacie > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot > 5 Travel Deals! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/ aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount- travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) >

November 5, 2008

I agree wholeheartedly e! NOW go get some sleep hehe!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:14:14 -0800 (PST)To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Re: What happened on Fri OK, it's late and I'm getting laughably mushy....story of my life...Isn't that what we are here for??? To lend and ear, to reassure, and to strengthen one another no matter what. Clearly, we can't condone everything ..., but we can always love, and listen...Sometimes when the day is rough with ( I have a million wonderful girlfriends), I come to you all....because I KNOW you will get it.........., don't have to explain a thing. I can go on and on if I want to (which I often do LOL) ---, or I can say, "my day has been so hard I cannot even speak." The outflowing of genuine love spills over...........that's what groups like this are about..., I'm soooooooooooooooo impressed with our group, as we do not blast one another...we don't always agree, and say so at times, but this is by far the most accepting group I've been on. We all do Autism differently, but there is very little, if any infighting...that's a major thing in this day and age of Autism and it's treatment...I'm proud of us!!!!! Thanks to all... e (I truly am going to bed now) LOL --------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: "hawkie6aol" <hawkie6aol>To: AutismBehaviorProblems Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:00:47 PMSubject: Re: What happened on Fri.They really do add comfort to me and thanks so much. What you say does mean the world to me, and I am so happy to have this group. Stacie In a message dated 11/4/2008 5:24:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ljdjd1234yahoo (DOT) com writes:I'm glad my words can add comfort to you...I know I love to be told that I'm doing a good job It helps me so much!!!!!!!! I will be back and forth tonight, as I'm watching election coverage....For now know that I'm thinking about you, and I think I do fully understand now LOL....,'ve only been corresponding for months :)J ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----From: Stacie To: AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:12:56 PMSubject: Re: What happened on Fri.e, what you say does mean so much to me! It really does and for you to say how proud of me you are! Wow!!!Ok, is in a mainstream school but the Autism class that was started is there! Miss Jenna is his full time teacher and specializes in Autism! The classroom is a closed, self contained class! Mrs Stamfa is the higher functioning sped teacher that goes to her class every day from 45 min to an hour! I don't know what is up in her class if it is all Autism or mixed disabilities! I will find out tomorrow when we go to observe the class at 915! I am just thinking what is the point of even going there to observe and have the staffing and all when I know he is not high functioning! I did get the invite today though for the staffing on the 13th, I think it is!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT & T --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!

November 5, 2008

Hi Lois,a rocking chair on our porch is my sons favorite place to

zone after a meltdown. He really calms from rocking. How did you get

an aide? I tried,asked and was refused by the school superintendant.

They actually used an example of a deaf person not needing,having

additional requirements to counter my request and flat refused one.

Is their a trick to it? Excluding black hats,lol

Best wishes,

Tishanne

-- In AutismBehaviorProblems , " lois

noland " wrote:

>

> Stacie,

> I am so sorry to hear what happened. i have been there of course.

(J is 21 now). Does he have his own aid? J has always had his own

aid. J also has his own rocking chair to sit in when he needs to calm

out. Sometimes Don (His aid) just takes J for a walk in the building

or outside to get him back on track. ((HUGS)) Lois

> What happened on Fri

>

November 5, 2008

e, found an interesting paragraph on endorphines,

Because many children with autism have sensory disturbances and often

seem impervious to pain, scientists are also looking for medications

that increase or decrease the transmission of physical sensations.

Endorphins are natural painkillers produced by the body. But in

certain people with autism, the endorphins seem to go too far in

suppressing feeling. Scientists are exploring substances that block

the effects of endorphins, to see if they can bring the sense of

touch to a more normal range. Such drugs may be helpful to children

who experience too little sensation. And once they can sense pain,

such children could be less likely to bite themselves, bang their

heads, or hurt themselves in other ways.

From text at,www.health.discovery.com

title page,autism medications

I still say its the endorphine increase addiction{sib},

Tishanne

-- In AutismBehaviorProblems , Two Blessings

wrote:

>

> Thank you Tishanne...you are so funny!!!! I do love the Lord

>

> Hugs to you...thank you for the kudos...I'm going to bed now as I'm

drained --- to much news for too many months...LOL

>

> e

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: AutismBehaviorProblems

> Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:18:14 PM

> Subject: Re: What happened on Fri

>

> e,let me know if Optimus Prime wins,case you hear before

me,lol

> You are a wonderful,caring, kind and precious Mom and friend. A

very

> spiritual type too who shares the prayers!

>

> Hugs,smiles

> Tishanne

>

> -- In AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com, Two Blessings

> <ljdjd1234@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > I'm glad my words can add comfort to you...I know I love to be

told

> that I'm doing a good job It helps me so much!!!!!!!! I will

be

> back and forth tonight, as I'm watching election coverage....

> > For now know that I'm thinking about you, and I think I do fully

> understand now LOL....we've only been corrisponding for months

> > J

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> ------------

> > From: stacie

> > To: AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:12:56 PM

> > Subject: Re: What happened on Fri

> > e, what you say does mean so much to me! It really does and

> for you to say how proud of me you are! Wow!!!

> > Ok, is in a mainstream school but the Autism class that was

> started is there! Miss Jenna is his full time teacher and

specializes

> in Autism! The classroom is a closed, self contained class! Mrs

> Stamfa is the higher functioning sped teacher that goes to her

> class every day from 45 min to an hour! I don't know what is up in

> her class if it is all Autism or mixed disabilities! I will find

out

> tomorrow when we go observe the class at 915! I am just thinking

what

> is the point of even going there to observe and have the staffing

and

> all when I know he is not high functioning! I did get the invite

> today though for the staffing on the 13th I think it is!

> > Stacie

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

>

November 5, 2008

Stacie,

had a rough time in kindergarten as well. There was a classroom aide who worked mostly with him. He had a few melt downs but nothing really severe well one day he wanted to do something and the aide said no so he threw himself down to the ground and she went to move around him and he moved and she fell over him. She actually hurt her knee so bad that the ambulance came and she was out of school for a month and then she worked in the office for the rest of the year with a soft cast and crutches. This was an accident but I felt absolutely horrible and I apologized to her but she seemed very upset for the rest of the year. The whole schools attitude changed toward then. I kept thinking they would understand he didn't attack her and even the special ed teacher told everyone in the meetings that she fell and he didn't pull her down or trip her on purpose but from that day on seemed to have a big red mark on

him. Thankfully they built a new school in our subdivision and now goes there. Fresh start with a terrific staff. One of s home therapist also works as an aide in school and it is not uncommon for the kids she works with to bite, kick or hit and they are not all autistic. She told us the most important thing is to have a behavioral plan in place to handle such behaviors. Since all these kids are so different it really helps to know the kids signs of a meltdown or triggers and what usually works for calming them down before they lose it. She is a wonderful person and has spent years (5 with ) working with disabled kids. I am very lucky to have her. Starting to really ramble so I'll go now. Hope today does better for you. Kellie> > > > From: tishannepatterson <tishannepatterson@ tis>> > Subject: Re: What happened on Fri> > To: _AutismBehaviorProb lAutismBehaviorP rAut_ >

(mailto:AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com) > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:47 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Oreyell,welcome! You are not alone. This group is a wonderful > > place,so happy you joined. My son curses and has many other > behaviors > > that caused us to leave his school also. You are right,its > > embarrassing because we do teach right from wrong. Our kids have > > behaviors of their own that they, or we have no control of. > Negative > > comments from outsiders just add to our grief and theirs. I really > > feel for you and your child.> > > > Best wishes,> > Tishanne> > > > > >> > > > Hello everyone! How are you all doing? So much is still going > on > > > here and I have been wanting to post about it but just did not > have > > > the energy to go through it all! So I decided this morning I > would > > > do it!> > > > So, on Fri I was going to s Halloween party at school! I > was > > > going to go around 1. Well I was at Walmart shopping for the > > >

surprise treat that I was taking and I got a call from the > > assistant > > > principal, and it was about 1220! She said hi Stacie, I hate to > > tell > > > you this but we need you to come and get . He is having a > very > > > hard time and Mrs Stampa had to restrain him for a half hour! I > was > > > like oh boy! Mrs stampa is the teacher that was in the meeting > with > > > us and the teacher that has for an hour or so a day and has > > sped > > > kids and only 6 in her class but higher functioning kids! This is > > > the class that they were thinking about moving into and we > are > > > going to observe tomorrow even though I can tell you right now I > > > don't agree and neither does the psychologist from Little Friends > >

as > > > she confirmed to me the other day is not high functioning > and > > he > > > is low functioning. People think he is high because he is verbal. > > > Anyhow I told her ok I am at the store getting treats for the > kids. > > > I will be there soon! When I got out to my car I called back and > > > asked if he was calm now and she said yes! I said well since I am > > > going to be there for the party and since he is ok now can we > stay > > > and if he starts acting up we will leave? She said the teachers > > > thought he needed to be picked up but she would go down and aske > > them > > > and let me know when I got there! So I got there with all my > stuff > > > for the kids! I got to the office and the principal came out and > he

> > > said we can't let him stay! He punched Mrs Stampa and left a > bruise > > > on her face! I was horrified! He said he just can't let him stay > > > because that is awarding a behavior and I could understand that! > I > > > told him I would of never asked if he could stay if I would of > > known > > > that! I felt terrible! I guess he was restrained for a half hour > > > and Miss Jenna helped some and the principal came and got him and > > > took him with him for about an hour into the older kids music > > classes > > > and he was ok and liked it and he said he is gonna try to do that > > > more! loves music and learns by it too! Anyhow by now I am > > > crying! I said this is what I deal with every day and they said > we > > > know and

we are going to get you help! By this time the assistant > > > principal was out there too! I just kept saying I am so sorry! > Now > > > remember in the meeting Mrs Stampa and everyone said they could > not > > > imagine acting like he does at home and with the aggression etc! > > > Well I guess they see it now! And just on Wed I got a note home > > from > > > Mrs Lotito the Autism specialist from the child service center > and > > > the one who works closely with Miss Jenna and and runs the > support > > > group about how they do not see these behaviors in school etc and > > > then Miss Jenna wrote a note saying the same thing! So was > > > brought down to me and kept saying I want go party and was crying > > and > > > Mr Hickman said this is

good because he is making the connection! > I > > > gave the cookie cake I bought for the class to Miss Yirmis the > > > assistant and the cards for the teachers and the goodie bags for > > the > > > kids and then we left both and I in tears! We talked about > > good > > > choices and bad choices with pix cues and went home! I called his > > dr > > > after I called Jim! Jim was at his grandmas house and I was > > > bawling! I then called his Dr and was put right through to the > > > nurse! Usually I have to leave a message but I was put right > > through > > > and the nurse Maureen who we just love was very supportive > listened > > > then went and talked to the dr and called me back and she wanted > me > > > to take to get his Depekote

levels checked by bloodwork and > > they > > > increased his Risperdal! He was taking .25 at bedtime! Now since > > > sat for 3 days he was to take half a pill and the full one at > night > > > and starting today it is a full pill in the am and a full one in > > the > > > PM! Getting his bloodwork on Sat was very upsetting and we had to > > > get someone else in there to help! He was very aggressive the > rest > > > of Fri that I did not take him out trick or treating! Sat he was > > > pretty bad too! Sun and Mon were pretty good days! So that is > what > > > has been going on here! And also the fact that I am not getting > > much > > > in communication from Miss Jenna! I go today for paren teacher > > > conferences at 10! I went for s yesterday

and then also go > > for > > > Lexies today at 130 and then have to vote in between those times! > > > And hopefully go grocery shopping! Then tonight we have our group > > > workout with my weightloss clinic!> > > > Have a good day everyone!> > > > Stacie> > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T> > > >> > >> >> > > > > ************ **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot > 5 Travel Deals! > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121241 6248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel. aol.com/discount -travel?ncid= emlcntustrav0000

0001)>

November 5, 2008

Thanks Kellie! Gosh it is so hard! For these little ones and for us as the parents! You are a great support to me! I really mean that! Gosh I wish you still lived in Illinois! You live in Michigan right? I wonder how far you are from us! Would you ever consider meeting halfway between us sometime? Depending if you are in Mich and if so, how far from us you are! Are there any members on here that are from Illinois? So far I have not seen anyone!StacieSent via BlackBerry by AT&TDate: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:59:01 -0800 (PST)To: <AutismBehaviorProblems >Subject: Re: Re: What happened on Fri Stacie, had a rough time in kindergarten as well. There was a classroom aide who worked mostly with him. He had a few melt downs but nothing really severe well one day he wanted to do something and the aide said no so he threw himself down to the ground and she went to move around him and he moved and she fell over him. She actually hurt her knee so bad that the ambulance came and she was out of school for a month and then she worked in the office for the rest of the year with a soft cast and crutches. This was an accident but I felt absolutely horrible and I apologized to her but she seemed very upset for the rest of the year. The whole schools attitude changed toward then. I kept thinking they would understand he didn't attack her and even the special ed teacher told everyone in the meetings that she fell and he didn't pull her down or trip her on purpose but from that day on seemed to have a big red mark on him. Thankfully they built a new school in our subdivision and now goes there. Fresh start with a terrific staff. One of s home therapist also works as an aide in school and it is not uncommon for the kids she works with to bite, kick or hit and they are not all autistic. She told us the most important thing is to have a behavioral plan in place to handle such behaviors. Since all these kids are so different it really helps to know the kids signs of a meltdown or triggers and what usually works for calming them down before they lose it. She is a wonderful person and has spent years (5 with ) working with disabled kids. I am very lucky to have her. Starting to really ramble so I'll go now. Hope today does better for you. Kellie> > > > From: tishannepatterson <tishannepatterson@ tis>> > Subject: Re: What happened on Fri> > To: _AutismBehaviorProb lAutismBehaviorP rAut_ > (mailto:AutismBehaviorProbl emsyahoogroups (DOT) com) > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:47 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Oreyell,welcome! You are not alone. This group is a wonderful > > place,so happy you joined. My son curses and has many other > behaviors > > that caused us to leave his school also. You are right,its > > embarrassing because we do teach right from wrong. Our kids have > > behaviors of their own that they, or we have no control of. > Negative > > comments from outsiders just add to our grief and theirs. I really > > feel for you and your child.> > > > Best wishes,> > Tishanne> > > > > >> > > > Hello everyone! How are you all doing? So much is still going > on > > > here and I have been wanting to post about it but just did not > have > > > the energy to go through it all! So I decided this morning I > would > > > do it!> > > > So, on Fri I was going to s Halloween party at school! I > was > > > going to go around 1. Well I was at Walmart shopping for the > > > surprise treat that I was taking and I got a call from the > > assistant > > > principal, and it was about 1220! She said hi Stacie, I hate to > > tell > > > you this but we need you to come and get . He is having a > very > > > hard time and Mrs Stampa had to restrain him for a half hour! I > was > > > like oh boy! Mrs stampa is the teacher that was in the meeting > with > > > us and the teacher that has for an hour or so a day and has > > sped > > > kids and only 6 in her class but higher functioning kids! This is > > > the class that they were thinking about moving into and we > are > > > going to observe tomorrow even though I can tell you right now I > > > don't agree and neither does the psychologist from Little Friends > > as > > > she confirmed to me the other day is not high functioning > and > > he > > > is low functioning. People think he is high because he is verbal. > > > Anyhow I told her ok I am at the store getting treats for the > kids. > > > I will be there soon! When I got out to my car I called back and > > > asked if he was calm now and she said yes! I said well since I am > > > going to be there for the party and since he is ok now can we > stay > > > and if he starts acting up we will leave? She said the teachers > > > thought he needed to be picked up but she would go down and aske > > them > > > and let me know when I got there! So I got there with all my > stuff > > > for the kids! I got to the office and the principal came out and > he > > > said we can't let him stay! He punched Mrs Stampa and left a > bruise > > > on her face! I was horrified! He said he just can't let him stay > > > because that is awarding a behavior and I could understand that! > I > > > told him I would of never asked if he could stay if I would of > > known > > > that! I felt terrible! I guess he was restrained for a half hour > > > and Miss Jenna helped some and the principal came and got him and > > > took him with him for about an hour into the older kids music > > classes > > > and he was ok and liked it and he said he is gonna try to do that > > > more! loves music and learns by it too! Anyhow by now I am > > > crying! I said this is what I deal with every day and they said > we > > > know and we are going to get you help! By this time the assistant > > > principal was out there too! I just kept saying I am so sorry! > Now > > > remember in the meeting Mrs Stampa and everyone said they could > not > > > imagine acting like he does at home and with the aggression etc! > > > Well I guess they see it now! And just on Wed I got a note home > > from > > > Mrs Lotito the Autism specialist from the child service center > and > > > the one who works closely with Miss Jenna and and runs the > support > > > group about how they do not see these behaviors in school etc and > > > then Miss Jenna wrote a note saying the same thing! So was > > > brought down to me and kept saying I want go party and was crying > > and > > > Mr Hickman said this is good because he is making the connection! > I > > > gave the cookie cake I bought for the class to Miss Yirmis the > > > assistant and the cards for the teachers and the goodie bags for > > the > > > kids and then we left both and I in tears! We talked about > > good > > > choices and bad choices with pix cues and went home! I called his > > dr > > > after I called Jim! Jim was at his grandmas house and I was > > > bawling! I then called his Dr and was put right through to the > > > nurse! Usually I have to leave a message but I was put right > > through > > > and the nurse Maureen who we just love was very supportive > listened > > > then went and talked to the dr and called me back and she wanted > me > > > to take to get his Depekote levels checked by bloodwork and > > they > > > increased his Risperdal! He was taking .25 at bedtime! Now since > > > sat for 3 days he was to take half a pill and the full one at > night > > > and starting today it is a full pill in the am and a full one in > > the > > > PM! Getting his bloodwork on Sat was very upsetting and we had to > > > get someone else in there to help! He was very aggressive the > rest > > > of Fri that I did not take him out trick or treating! Sat he was > > > pretty bad too! Sun and Mon were pretty good days! So that is > what > > > has been going on here! And also the fact that I am not getting > > much > > > in communication from Miss Jenna! I go today for paren teacher > > > conferences at 10! I went for s yesterday and then also go > > for > > > Lexies today at 130 and then have to vote in between those times! > > > And hopefully go grocery shopping! Then tonight we have our group > > > workout with my weightloss clinic!> > > > Have a good day everyone!> > > > Stacie> > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T> > > >> > >> >> > > > > ************ **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot > 5 Travel Deals! > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121241 6248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel. aol.com/discount -travel?ncid= emlcntustrav0000 0001)>

November 5, 2008

Hi Stacie,

I actually live in Kenosha WI right across the border to IL. My husband still commutes to Chicago everyday for work. We get to IL at least 3 times a month to visit family so maybe we could schedule something. Our relatives live in the western suburbs and some in the south suburbs so we really aren't to far from you (you live in Aurora, right?). It is hard and sometimes if feels overwhelming but it passes. We have felt like we are on the roller coaster ride for years- he does something great and we all rise up and up and then something bad happens or he seems to regress and then we all go down. At least we get to share the ride together!! I am trying not to do this but it is so hard!! I think there is a degree of this ride with every child but it is just more intense when your child is struggling with a disability. Right now we are mostly on the ups with a few occasional dips but no big

drops lately. This summer was one big drop after another so I am trying to enjoy these ups while they last. Hope your conference at school went well. Kellie> > > > From: tishannepatterson <tishannepatterson@ tis>> > Subject: Re: What happened on Fri> > To: _AutismBehaviorProb lAutismBehaviorP rAut_ >