Re: LED- why has it not worked for me? Any ideas?

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Rita and Limin,

My daughter tests IgG to every food as well. Did you find a rotation

diet helpful or did you bother? GAPS or the abx have helped her

digestion, but I am wondering if a rotation diet (and the deprivation

and stress) is really the answer. She had lots of undigested food in

her gut pre abx and or GAPS diet. This is really good info. Thank you

so much for sharing. I remember from Heidi as well that the allgery

issue could be an immune response. Hope I got that right, Heidi.

We've have no LED practioner here although our alternative doc does

ART now.. and were referred by another doc to one that does NAET but

I keep wondering if that would be worth the time and expense.

Robin

> > >> >

> > >> > My son has done the entire LED with Dr.C at Dr. M's office

in

> LA

> > >> and

> > >> > unfortunately none of his allergies were resolved. Infact it

> did

> > >> > nothing for us. I took a great deal of obsessive care to make

> > > sure

> > >> that

> > >> > my son was not exposed to foods on his list, certain

> > > supplements,

> > >> EMF

> > >> > etc while we were doing the treatment- even to the extent of

> not

> > >> taking

> > >> > him to Disney inspite of being right there. Dr. C said that

> his

> > >> food

> > >> > allergies would resolve- he seemed very confident. My son has

> > > many

> > >> many

> > >> > allergies- some very very severe (egg, dairy) and so after

the

> > >> > customary wait time I tried a small amount of an allergenic

> food

> > > on

> > >> him

> > >> > and he had a bad reaction. So when I read about people having

> > >> success

> > >> > with LED it makes me wonder what I did not do right. Any

> ideas?

> > >> > kay

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Use my gut? LOL! New concept there, seriously. Trusting self and

all. Thanks, again, Heidi, Robin

>

> As usual, the answers are not easy. I have been pondering on

allergies

> lately. I have heard fantastic reports on NAET, and I don't

remember anyone not

> liking it. I think allergies are tied in to so many things. It

appears they

> are connected to pathogens, toxins, leaky gut, under-working

liver, etc. I

> have seen people say they have rid them by rotating foods, fixing

leaky guts,

> ridding pathogens, ridding toxins, using digestive enzymes, NAET,

or other

> methods. ly, I think our kids are ill, and they need to be

well in order

> for allergies to not be a problem. After all, ill people develop

new

> allergies. In my family, we only appear to react to wheat, dairy,

coffee, MSG,

> aspartame, gmos and pesticides. We can eat organic apples just

fine, but if

> they are not, noses run like faucets. Organic corn is fine, but

if not,

> immediate bloating happens. Wheat, dairy and coffee also give

very noticeable

> symptoms. The rest of the foods that we are allergic to, we

consume anyhow, but

> not daily. Even oatmeal makes some of us react, but not the steel-

cut oats

> which are in a very unadulterated state, of course. Thus,

processing of the

> foods increases noticeable reactions.

>

> They say that cooking the food changes it so that you are no

longer allergic

> to it, thus implying allergies are only to raw states. But, at my

house,

> there is a difference between cooked instant oatmeal and cooked

steel-cut

> oatmeal as far as reactions to it. I think a lot of things happen

to things from

> the soil they are grown in, processing, additives not required to

be labeled

> may be in it, etc. Maybe even the pesticide used in the warehouse

where the

> food is stored in between shipping may be a factor. Thus, we just

do

> organic, no gluten, no dairy and then look for reactions on foods

served. Usually

> the reaction happens within 30 minutes of consumption or adverse

behaviors

> just seem to increase daily until you realize, " hey, he used to

not do this

> behavior until he started eating such and such " . Thus, its

complicated. Use

> your judgement call on what you think is best for your family. We

are mostly

> concentrating on fixing our bodies and ridding pathogens and

toxins. I am

> considering using NAET at some point if needed.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> " I remember from Heidi as well that the allgery

> issue could be an immune response. Hope I got that right, Heidi.

> We've have no LED practioner here although our alternative doc

does

> ART now.. and were referred by another doc to one that does NAET

but

> I keep wondering if that would be worth the time and expense. "

>

> Robin

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[Guest guest]

Gayatri & Limin,

's 1st LED detox was also the Sulfa by itself. It was

explained to me that you need to clear the Sulfa to bring in the

sulfer containing chelators to bind up the metals that the

subsequent viral/bacterial/metal LED's will release. Clearing the

sulfer so you can get the good chelators on board to mop up the

stirred up mess that is to come is a very important 1st step. For

after 3+ years of successful chelation (DMSA, DMPS, ALA &

others) 's body was pretty stressed with Sulfer products. He's

been on Chlorella (which his body really likes) but other than that,

with as heavy of a detox as the LED brings, we needed to know we

could bring in a heavy duty binder and not have his body stress. We

ran a total of 3 Asyra's during our treatments. DE had to alter the

schedule the Asyra set up quite a bit due to the heavy detox

reaction he got from the treatments (a well trained muscle testing

practioner is priceless when doing these treatments).

Here's our actual LED Detox schedule right from the dr notes (if you

need to know what the abreviations are, go to the files and look up

the LED Detox Instructions...they are very interesting and you can

learn what some of the toxins are and where they come from):

1) Sulfa

2) Re-do Sulfa, mercury & mumps (6 days later he developed a rash

and extra OCD. We also had a major metals/viral stress shift from

the brain from the QN and LED detox...extra binders & supports put

in place and it altered the LED schedule).

3) URA & rabies (not ready for Pb)

4) CBC & Smallpox (caught cold)

5) Lead, re-ran smallpox & CBC

6) MEK, Tetnus (extra stimmy, eyeblinking OCD)

7) re-ran MEK & tetnus + polio & pulsing EBV w/infared laser

8) (New Asyra) Hg I, II, III, Halo & PHF (drooling...common for him

with a good Hg pull, OCD and lots of brain fog/non-focus...teachers

complained wondering what's going on).

9) DS & GHON

10) (New Asyra) Sulfa & red flower PS + mercury II

11) Red toxins w/yellow flower DS, red non-metals, polio, 245T, PHF,

MEK group, dental chord (devoloped sand paper rash on hands and

lightly on chest, pictures of it in the photo section of the group,

I figure the rash was the plastics detox, because he had done many

of the other ones before without this bad of reaction)

12) Yellow non-metals, HepB, infl mix, invermectin, rubella, DDT

group, ammonium manaticum, w/red flowers

13) red metals, tin, cadmium

14) yellow metals, cobalt

Weekly, just before doing the LED detox, we did QN for rehab and

detox/organ support. At this time we rested with the LED detox and

went to monthly QN rehab/organ support appts which we continue to

do. Our LED detoxes were done from Jan-about May 2008.

I LOVE the cold lasers, and am very greatful that DE did both the QN

and LED detoxes on , it was a very good treatment for

him...hard when you're in the midst of it because he had a lot of

detox regression, but he came out better than ever. Like Limin said,

it needs to be supported with the proper supplements (incl

herbs/binders). For us, there are many things that have helped along

the way (and it's taken all to move him forward each step), diet &

basic supplementation have been basic supports, chelation, anti-

virals (especially the LDM-100), reducing our Lyme stress and many

other of the bacterial layers, then the lasers and lastly the

Valkion...each of these pieces having been the most important to

.

Hope this helps.

Rita

> >> >> >

> >> >> > My son has done the entire LED with Dr.C at Dr. M's office

in LA

> >> >> and

> >> >> > unfortunately none of his allergies were resolved. Infact

it did

> >> >> > nothing for us. I took a great deal of obsessive care to

make

> >> > sure

> >> >> that

> >> >> > my son was not exposed to foods on his list, certain

> >> > supplements,

> >> >> EMF

> >> >> > etc while we were doing the treatment- even to the extent

of not

> >> >> taking

> >> >> > him to Disney inspite of being right there. Dr. C said

that his

> >> >> food

> >> >> > allergies would resolve- he seemed very confident. My son

has

> >> > many

> >> >> many

> >> >> > allergies- some very very severe (egg, dairy) and so after

the

> >> >> > customary wait time I tried a small amount of an

allergenic food

> >> > on

> >> >> him

> >> >> > and he had a bad reaction. So when I read about people

having

> >> >> success

> >> >> > with LED it makes me wonder what I did not do right. Any

ideas?

> >> >> > kay

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ------------------------------------

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Rita,

Thank you for your detailed post. It is always interesting to compare

notes. I notice that DE had one of 's LED treatment dedicated for DS

(detox support) and GHON (glands, hormones, organs, neurotransmitters). Our

local naturopath doctor does it differently. He does not dedicate one

treatment for DS and GHON; instead, he uses these two vials first every time

before sweeping a toxin remedy. Let me clarify a bit: Every time when we

come in for sweeping a particular toxin vial, before using the toxin vial,

he would use both infrared pulser and cold laser pen to sweep the DS vial,

while Ingvar holds the GHON vial in his hand. Out of curiosity, one time I

asked him why he does not use laser to sweep GHON and only let Ingvar hold

it. He said that GHON vial is used to remind the body of normal tissues.

Regardless what conditions or symptoms the body is going through, GHON vial

reminds the body what it is like of being " normal. " It is not necessary to

deliver GHON via laser, but just let the body holds on to it while sweeping

detox support vial. I thought that his explanation is kind of interesting,

and I kind of liked it.

Here are a few pages of Dr. LC's presentation slides on LED prescription

template and a list of acupuncture points for laser sweeping:

http://slett.net/public/files/DrCowden_LEDtemplate.ppt

Limin

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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 01:12

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: LED- why has it not

worked for me? Any ideas?

> Gayatri & Limin,

>

> 's 1st LED detox was also the Sulfa by itself. It was

> explained to me that you need to clear the Sulfa to bring in the

> sulfer containing chelators to bind up the metals that the

> subsequent viral/bacterial/metal LED's will release. Clearing the

> sulfer so you can get the good chelators on board to mop up the

> stirred up mess that is to come is a very important 1st step. For

> after 3+ years of successful chelation (DMSA, DMPS, ALA &

> others) 's body was pretty stressed with Sulfer products. He's

> been on Chlorella (which his body really likes) but other than that,

> with as heavy of a detox as the LED brings, we needed to know we

> could bring in a heavy duty binder and not have his body stress. We

> ran a total of 3 Asyra's during our treatments. DE had to alter the

> schedule the Asyra set up quite a bit due to the heavy detox

> reaction he got from the treatments (a well trained muscle testing

> practioner is priceless when doing these treatments).

> Here's our actual LED Detox schedule right from the dr notes (if you

> need to know what the abreviations are, go to the files and look up

> the LED Detox Instructions...they are very interesting and you can

> learn what some of the toxins are and where they come from):

> 1) Sulfa

> 2) Re-do Sulfa, mercury & mumps (6 days later he developed a rash

> and extra OCD. We also had a major metals/viral stress shift from

> the brain from the QN and LED detox...extra binders & supports put

> in place and it altered the LED schedule).

> 3) URA & rabies (not ready for Pb)

> 4) CBC & Smallpox (caught cold)

> 5) Lead, re-ran smallpox & CBC

> 6) MEK, Tetnus (extra stimmy, eyeblinking OCD)

> 7) re-ran MEK & tetnus + polio & pulsing EBV w/infared laser

> 8) (New Asyra) Hg I, II, III, Halo & PHF (drooling...common for him

> with a good Hg pull, OCD and lots of brain fog/non-focus...teachers

> complained wondering what's going on).

> 9) DS & GHON

> 10) (New Asyra) Sulfa & red flower PS + mercury II

> 11) Red toxins w/yellow flower DS, red non-metals, polio, 245T, PHF,

> MEK group, dental chord (devoloped sand paper rash on hands and

> lightly on chest, pictures of it in the photo section of the group,

> I figure the rash was the plastics detox, because he had done many

> of the other ones before without this bad of reaction)

> 12) Yellow non-metals, HepB, infl mix, invermectin, rubella, DDT

> group, ammonium manaticum, w/red flowers

> 13) red metals, tin, cadmium

> 14) yellow metals, cobalt

> Weekly, just before doing the LED detox, we did QN for rehab and

> detox/organ support. At this time we rested with the LED detox and

> went to monthly QN rehab/organ support appts which we continue to

> do. Our LED detoxes were done from Jan-about May 2008.

>

> I LOVE the cold lasers, and am very greatful that DE did both the QN

> and LED detoxes on , it was a very good treatment for

> him...hard when you're in the midst of it because he had a lot of

> detox regression, but he came out better than ever. Like Limin said,

> it needs to be supported with the proper supplements (incl

> herbs/binders). For us, there are many things that have helped along

> the way (and it's taken all to move him forward each step), diet &

> basic supplementation have been basic supports, chelation, anti-

> virals (especially the LDM-100), reducing our Lyme stress and many

> other of the bacterial layers, then the lasers and lastly the

> Valkion...each of these pieces having been the most important to

> .

> Hope this helps.

> Rita

>

>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > My son has done the entire LED with Dr.C at Dr. M's office

> in LA

>> >> >> and

>> >> >> > unfortunately none of his allergies were resolved. Infact

> it did

>> >> >> > nothing for us. I took a great deal of obsessive care to

> make

>> >> > sure

>> >> >> that

>> >> >> > my son was not exposed to foods on his list, certain

>> >> > supplements,

>> >> >> EMF

>> >> >> > etc while we were doing the treatment- even to the extent

> of not

>> >> >> taking

>> >> >> > him to Disney inspite of being right there. Dr. C said

> that his

>> >> >> food

>> >> >> > allergies would resolve- he seemed very confident. My son

> has

>> >> > many

>> >> >> many

>> >> >> > allergies- some very very severe (egg, dairy) and so after

> the

>> >> >> > customary wait time I tried a small amount of an

> allergenic food

>> >> > on

>> >> >> him

>> >> >> > and he had a bad reaction. So when I read about people

> having

>> >> >> success

>> >> >> > with LED it makes me wonder what I did not do right. Any

> ideas?

>> >> >> > kay

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > ------------------------------------

>> >> >

>> >> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Limin and Rita for the responses. Rita, where did lyme feature

in the 1 through 14 that you have described below. I appreciate the

time taken to give the details.

Gayatri

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > My son has done the entire LED with Dr.C at Dr. M's office

> in LA

> > >> >> and

> > >> >> > unfortunately none of his allergies were resolved. Infact

> it did

> > >> >> > nothing for us. I took a great deal of obsessive care to

> make

> > >> > sure

> > >> >> that

> > >> >> > my son was not exposed to foods on his list, certain

> > >> > supplements,

> > >> >> EMF

> > >> >> > etc while we were doing the treatment- even to the extent

> of not

> > >> >> taking

> > >> >> > him to Disney inspite of being right there. Dr. C said

> that his

> > >> >> food

> > >> >> > allergies would resolve- he seemed very confident. My son

> has

> > >> > many

> > >> >> many

> > >> >> > allergies- some very very severe (egg, dairy) and so after

> the

> > >> >> > customary wait time I tried a small amount of an

> allergenic food

> > >> > on

> > >> >> him

> > >> >> > and he had a bad reaction. So when I read about people

> having

> > >> >> success

> > >> >> > with LED it makes me wonder what I did not do right. Any

> ideas?

> > >> >> > kay

> > >> >> >

> > >> >>

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > ------------------------------------

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

We just had the LED detox a couple of weeks ago and my son has been worse since.

Is this part of the detox? Is there a regression several days/weeks following?

We have been seeing rashes off and on, thought it was our yeast treatment. Yeast

has been really bad for us. The things that came up on Asyra were:

Smallpox

Diptheria

Pertussis

Rubella

thymus

circulation

gallbladder

cadmium

No mercury, hmmm

toxins in brain

dental chord

colon (of course)

We had two homeopathic remedies to take for 2 weeks and Burbur. How long do you

give the Burbur? They also added OSR, but he had what looked like a seizure and

I just couldn't tell what was bothering him, so stopped that, What binders are

you talking about using? They didn't really use any binders (think OSR was for

that) but I decided to give charcoal. Any other advice would be great! When does

the effects (lots of visuals, very dopey acting, tongue sticking out-major

regressions) start to get better? Has anyone here used this for treating yeast?

They have had 2 very yeasty kids get rid of yeast with about 6 treatments at

our Dr. Would like to know if this would work and does the gut get better after

getting rid of these toxins?

Jen

>

> Subject: Re: LED- why has it not worked

for me? Any ideas?

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:07 PM

> Thanks Limin and Rita for the responses. Rita, where did

> lyme feature

> in the 1 through 14 that you have described below. I

> appreciate the

> time taken to give the details.

>

> Gayatri

>

>

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > My son has done the entire

> LED with Dr.C at Dr. M's office

> > in LA

> > > >> >> and

> > > >> >> > unfortunately none of his

> allergies were resolved. Infact

> > it did

> > > >> >> > nothing for us. I took a

> great deal of obsessive care to

> > make

> > > >> > sure

> > > >> >> that

> > > >> >> > my son was not exposed to

> foods on his list, certain

> > > >> > supplements,

> > > >> >> EMF

> > > >> >> > etc while we were doing

> the treatment- even to the extent

> > of not

> > > >> >> taking

> > > >> >> > him to Disney inspite of

> being right there. Dr. C said

> > that his

> > > >> >> food

> > > >> >> > allergies would resolve-

> he seemed very confident. My son

> > has

> > > >> > many

> > > >> >> many

> > > >> >> > allergies- some very very

> severe (egg, dairy) and so after

> > the

> > > >> >> > customary wait time I

> tried a small amount of an

> > allergenic food

> > > >> > on

> > > >> >> him

> > > >> >> > and he had a bad reaction.

> So when I read about people

> > having

> > > >> >> success

> > > >> >> > with LED it makes me

> wonder what I did not do right. Any

> > ideas?

> > > >> >> > kay

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> ------------------------------------

> > > >> >

> > > >> >