Guest guest Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 The test results are starting to role in on Austin. His CBC, TSH, ESR and sed rate were all within normal limits, which really suprised me. I thought for sure with all the joint pain he's been having his sed rate and ESR would be elevated. His CMT panel is due to come back any day, the neurologist is supposed to call one way or another today. With CMT what do you expect when they do routine labs? I have also seen postings about Social Security disability. I had contacted our local health and human service department to see if Austin would qualify for Medicaid, I'm a nurse, have health insurance but lord knows the bills are already starting to pile. They told me I would have to apply for social security for him first. I'm not real up to speed on the Regulations and Rules for social security, but am pretty sure they will deny him, he's only fourteen and hasn't worked, which makes me fear medicaid will deny him also because of my income and because of a social security denial. I don't know what to do, and could really use some advice. HELP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hanagan_8@... writes: *He has a restricted frenulum. The therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to clip the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or cannot talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a doubt! I have had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as babies, and since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their eating. Knowing that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their mouth, I went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them anymore, but rather the ENT. The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but once he realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to it. The thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't normally clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by that, because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech movements and if they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as compared to simply avoiding one altogether. Doesn't it make more sense for them to take care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents have to spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem that could have simply been avoided altogether? You can tell this is a pet peeve of mine But, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, it's to most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, because then all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as effective. It's not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done literally in seconds, and it's over. Becky ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 We just had our son's frenulum clipped, and while the results weren't dramatic, I would recommend the procedure. First of all, it improved nursing immediately. I was still occasionally getting cuts on my nipples from his technique -- at one year old! (And I'm an expert nurser -- 6-1/2 years under my belt so far.) Secondly, we experienced no negative consequences from the procedure and the medications involved. Tyler didn't even need pain medication afterward. We went forward even though his tongue tie was minor, because he already has motor delays. If he's not talking, we want to know that it's not because of this. You can end up spending a lot of time on these things, only to find out later that the time was misspent. He's still not making most of the age-appropriate sounds, but his tongue movement is greatly improvement. Our pediatrician wasn't gung-ho about it, but he did say that they used to clip kids all the time, regardless of need (e.g. feeding issues, speech issues, etc.) The only downside is the anesthesia, but the procedure is a quickie -- I think I read two articles in People magazine, and then it was over. in NJ > > *He has a restricted frenulum. The therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to clip the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue from side to side. The therapist says that he DOES NOT have oral apraxia. DOes this sound accurate? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Aaaaah, the diagnosis. We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech at a young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a true diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we were labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, expressive/receptive language delay at various points along the journey. The gross motor and fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to diagnose until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far behind before they make a real committment to issues! Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of speech, there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all likelihood, there are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop sign up ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked on now but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates and different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of their milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis and be faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out to be a late-bloomer. What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does have verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and other devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body tone, current developmental observations, etc. Did I make any sense here? Janice [sPAM] Re: [ ] Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to clip the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or cannot talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a doubt!I have had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as babies, and since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their eating.Knowing that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their mouth, I went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them anymore, but rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but once he realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to it.The thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't normally clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by that, because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech movements and if they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as compared to simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them to take care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents have to spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem that could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a pet peeve of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, it's to most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, because then all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as effective.It's not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done literally in seconds, and it's over.Becky************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 In a message dated 9/17/2007 7:52:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bigcheech91@... writes: The only downside is the anesthesia, but the procedure is a quickie -- I think I read two articles in People magazine, and then it was over. For both of my children-- we had NO anesthesia or numbing stuff, whatsoever. Both were under 6 mos when the procedure was done, and they literally cried for less than 1 min and all was fine. Becky ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 One thing: My son is 2.5 and we have no diagnosis. I doubt I could get it now with al the improvememts from diet and fish oil. I do worry that there is more lurking around the corner but, and maybe I am an optimist here, the books do not take into account finding and eliminating allergins and toxins that were holding the kids back. I think we at least have a shot at avoiding dyspraxic decline if we do that right and get therapy. I have to believe that to get out of bed. The fact that he is progressing helps too. Still, I know with Mark and others, one bad sickness, etc. and big steps backward can happen. I guess I am saying I agree with Janice (not surprising as she has seen it all) but never give up hope and do as much as you can as early as you can to give him and you the best headstart against this beast. Janice wrote: > Aaaaah, the diagnosis. > > We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech at a > young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a true > diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we were > labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, expressive/receptive > language delay at various points along the journey. The gross motor and > fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to > diagnose > until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far > behind > before they make a real committment to issues! > > Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of speech, > there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all likelihood, > there > are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop > sign up > ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked on now > but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates and > different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of their > milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis and be > faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out to > be a > late-bloomer. > > What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does have > verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and other > devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all > therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body tone, > current developmental observations, etc. > > Did I make any sense here? > > Janice > > [sPAM] Re: [ ] > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, hanagan_8@... <mailto:hanagan_8%40hotmail.com> > writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to > clip > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or cannot > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a doubt!I > have > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as babies, and > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their eating.Knowing > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their mouth, I > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them anymore, but > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but once he > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to it.The > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't > normally > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by that, > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech movements > and if > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as compared to > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them to > take > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents have to > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem that > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a pet > peeve > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, > it's to > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, because then > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as > effective.It's > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done > literally > in seconds, and it's over.Becky************************************** See > what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com>[Non-text > portions of this message have been > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 You really have that optimism down pat! I am sure your kids, especially the baby, feed off that and thrive! bigcheech91 wrote: > We just had our son's frenulum clipped, and while the results weren't > dramatic, I would recommend the procedure. First of all, it improved > nursing immediately. I was still occasionally getting cuts on my > nipples from his technique -- at one year old! (And I'm an expert > nurser -- 6-1/2 years under my belt so far.) Secondly, we experienced > no negative consequences from the procedure and the medications > involved. Tyler didn't even need pain medication afterward. > > We went forward even though his tongue tie was minor, because he > already has motor delays. If he's not talking, we want to know that > it's not because of this. You can end up spending a lot of time on > these things, only to find out later that the time was misspent. He's > still not making most of the age-appropriate sounds, but his tongue > movement is greatly improvement. > > Our pediatrician wasn't gung-ho about it, but he did say that they used > to clip kids all the time, regardless of need (e.g. feeding issues, > speech issues, etc.) The only downside is the anesthesia, but the > procedure is a quickie -- I think I read two articles in People > magazine, and then it was over. > > in NJ > > > > > *He has a restricted frenulum. The therapist would like to see it > clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has anyone else encountered > this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to clip the frenulum, and > I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. Currently, though, > he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue from side to > side. The therapist says that he DOES NOT have oral apraxia. DOes > this sound accurate? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are putting together a program for him right now, at 5. in NJ > > Aaaaah, the diagnosis. > > We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech at a > young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a true > diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we were > labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, expressive/receptive > language delay at various points along the journey. The gross motor and > fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to diagnose > until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far behind > before they make a real committment to issues! > > Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of speech, > there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all likelihood, there > are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop sign up > ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked on now > but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates and > different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of their > milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis and be > faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out to be a > late-bloomer. > > What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does have > verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and other > devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all > therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body tone, > current developmental observations, etc. > > Did I make any sense here? > > Janice > > > [sPAM] Re: [ ] > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to clip > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or cannot > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a doubt!I have > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as babies, and > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their eating.Knowing > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their mouth, I > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them anymore, but > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but once he > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to it.The > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't normally > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by that, > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech movements and if > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as compared to > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them to take > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents have to > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem that > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a pet peeve > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, it's to > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, because then > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as effective.It's > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done literally > in seconds, and it's over.Becky************************************** See > what's new at http://www.aol.com[Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 , I'm just real curious...what made you concerned about auditory processing? My son is only 22 mons so I don't think this is an issue for us now but I was just wondering when and how you know there is an auditory processing issue. bigcheech91 <bigcheech91@...> wrote: I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are putting together a program for him right now, at 5. in NJ > > Aaaaah, the diagnosis. > > We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech at a > young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a true > diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we were > labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, expressive/receptive > language delay at various points along the journey. The gross motor and > fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to diagnose > until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far behind > before they make a real committment to issues! > > Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of speech, > there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all likelihood, there > are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop sign up > ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked on now > but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates and > different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of their > milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis and be > faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out to be a > late-bloomer. > > What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does have > verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and other > devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all > therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body tone, > current developmental observations, etc. > > Did I make any sense here? > > Janice > > > [sPAM] Re: [ ] > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to it. Has > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help to clip > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his tongue > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or cannot > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a doubt!I have > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as babies, and > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their eating.Knowing > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their mouth, I > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them anymore, but > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but once he > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to it.The > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't normally > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by that, > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech movements and if > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as compared to > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them to take > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents have to > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem that > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a pet peeve > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, it's to > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, because then > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as effective.It's > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done literally > in seconds, and it's over.Becky************************************** See > what's new at http://www.aol.com[Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 For us it was his apparent inability to follow direction. For daughter you knew she got it but seemed to be blowing us off but wasn't. Her hearing and her brothers, were cutting in and out due to a milk allergy. Thankfully we got rid of the milk and the problem. That is our story and not everyones but auditory processing was a concern of ours and the therapists wh initially brought it to our attention. I thought he was just lazy (one of my many dumb thoughts. Ignorance was bliss but information and helping my kid is preferable.) lauren baron wrote: > , > I'm just real curious...what made you concerned about auditory > processing? My son is only 22 mons so I don't think this is an issue > for us now but I was just wondering when and how you know there is an > auditory processing issue. > > > bigcheech91 <bigcheech91@... <mailto:bigcheech91%40>> > wrote: > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > > > > > > Aaaaah, the diagnosis. > > > > We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech > at a > > young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a > true > > diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we > were > > labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, > expressive/receptive > > language delay at various points along the journey. The gross > motor and > > fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to > diagnose > > until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far > behind > > before they make a real committment to issues! > > > > Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of > speech, > > there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all > likelihood, there > > are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop > sign up > > ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked > on now > > but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates > and > > different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of > their > > milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis > and be > > faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out > to be a > > late-bloomer. > > > > What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does > have > > verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and > other > > devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all > > therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body > tone, > > current developmental observations, etc. > > > > Did I make any sense here? > > > > Janice > > > > > > [sPAM] Re: [ ] > > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern > Daylight > > Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to > it. Has > > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help > to clip > > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his > tongue > > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or > cannot > > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a > doubt!I have > > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as > babies, and > > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their > eating.Knowing > > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their > mouth, I > > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them > anymore, but > > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but > once he > > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to > it.The > > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't > normally > > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by > that, > > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech > movements and if > > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as > compared to > > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them > to take > > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents > have to > > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem > that > > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a > pet peeve > > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, > it's to > > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, > because then > > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as > effective.It's > > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done > literally > > in seconds, and it's > over.Becky************************************** See > > what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com>[Non-text > portions of this message > have been > > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 A number of things: --The only song he can sing all the way through is the ABC song, which I sang at bedtime every night for years. He hated Music Together class, and his preschool teacher agreed that he seemed to be the first kid she's had that disliked music activities. In fact, when I bring him to music class (only when he happens to have a day off from school -- it's the little guys' class), he looks... off, like the stereotype of a kid with issues. Totally different than his normal look. --He never asks to be read to, interrupts with constant questions based on what he is seeing (rather than listening to the text), and can't answer simple questions the first time. (e.g. Me: There are two kinds of fire trucks, pumpers and ladders. , how many kinds of fire trucks are there? : uh, 500? If we've never read the book, I might have to repeat the sentence more than once.) --He's constantly asking questions based on what he sees, but he doesn't always listen to the answers. Instead, he repeats the question. --His listening skills can be poor, especially if the thought or command is complex. A lot of kids with auditory issues are mistakenly labeled ADHD because they seem inattentive, but with auditory issues it's about the brain not interpreting the input correctly. He is just starting kindergarten, but I anticipate him having problems with phonics, but not sight words. Because he went to an awesome preschool, he's pretty good at matching up basic sounds with their letters. Blends, on the other hand, totally throw him. He comes up with some crazy guesses that you could not anticipate. (e.g. one time he thought a " dr " word started with " j " .) NACD thinks that his lingering speech issues are a combination of auditory problems and low oral tone. So if we fix the auditory, the speech should improve without a lot of work. Also, he's probably behind on general knowledge because he's not soaking up as much in daily life plus he's not listening to a lot of books. And all this leads to some immaturity. Hope that helps. in NJ > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 A number of things: --The only song he can sing all the way through is the ABC song, which I sang at bedtime every night for years. He hated Music Together class, and his preschool teacher agreed that he seemed to be the first kid she's had that disliked music activities. In fact, when I bring him to music class (only when he happens to have a day off from school -- it's the little guys' class), he looks... off, like the stereotype of a kid with issues. Totally different than his normal look. --He never asks to be read to, interrupts with constant questions based on what he is seeing (rather than listening to the text), and can't answer simple questions the first time. (e.g. Me: There are two kinds of fire trucks, pumpers and ladders. , how many kinds of fire trucks are there? : uh, 500? If we've never read the book, I might have to repeat the sentence more than once.) --He's constantly asking questions based on what he sees, but he doesn't always listen to the answers. Instead, he repeats the question. --His listening skills can be poor, especially if the thought or command is complex. A lot of kids with auditory issues are mistakenly labeled ADHD because they seem inattentive, but with auditory issues it's about the brain not interpreting the input correctly. He is just starting kindergarten, but I anticipate him having problems with phonics, but not sight words. Because he went to an awesome preschool, he's pretty good at matching up basic sounds with their letters. Blends, on the other hand, totally throw him. He comes up with some crazy guesses that you could not anticipate. (e.g. one time he thought a " dr " word started with " j " .) NACD thinks that his lingering speech issues are a combination of auditory problems and low oral tone. So if we fix the auditory, the speech should improve without a lot of work. Also, he's probably behind on general knowledge because he's not soaking up as much in daily life plus he's not listening to a lot of books. And all this leads to some immaturity. Hope that helps. in NJ > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 A number of things: --The only song he can sing all the way through is the ABC song, which I sang at bedtime every night for years. He hated Music Together class, and his preschool teacher agreed that he seemed to be the first kid she's had that disliked music activities. In fact, when I bring him to music class (only when he happens to have a day off from school -- it's the little guys' class), he looks... off, like the stereotype of a kid with issues. Totally different than his normal look. --He never asks to be read to, interrupts with constant questions based on what he is seeing (rather than listening to the text), and can't answer simple questions the first time. (e.g. Me: There are two kinds of fire trucks, pumpers and ladders. , how many kinds of fire trucks are there? : uh, 500? If we've never read the book, I might have to repeat the sentence more than once.) --He's constantly asking questions based on what he sees, but he doesn't always listen to the answers. Instead, he repeats the question. --His listening skills can be poor, especially if the thought or command is complex. A lot of kids with auditory issues are mistakenly labeled ADHD because they seem inattentive, but with auditory issues it's about the brain not interpreting the input correctly. He is just starting kindergarten, but I anticipate him having problems with phonics, but not sight words. Because he went to an awesome preschool, he's pretty good at matching up basic sounds with their letters. Blends, on the other hand, totally throw him. He comes up with some crazy guesses that you could not anticipate. (e.g. one time he thought a " dr " word started with " j " .) NACD thinks that his lingering speech issues are a combination of auditory problems and low oral tone. So if we fix the auditory, the speech should improve without a lot of work. Also, he's probably behind on general knowledge because he's not soaking up as much in daily life plus he's not listening to a lot of books. And all this leads to some immaturity. Hope that helps. in NJ > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 , I didn't know.... until I went to NACD and they explained it to me when my child was 11. Upon reflection, I realize that my son must have failed all of the tests in this area and that other people who were supposedly 'experts' should have realized this but.... Let's just put it this way; if your child has an expressive/receptive language problem, in all probability he has an auditory processing issue. When we put the auditory processing together for Mark and made him age-appropriate, many of the language pieces fell into place. Yes, there were some articulation issues but he could actually speak coherently and with fluency; create a story with a beginning, a middle and an ending, combat with his sister verbally and 'remember' his point.... the auditory processing component is that 'slowness' of response. It's that kind of 'duh' look your child gives you when you tell him to do something. Your child is just a 'step or two' behind everything.... and that is procesing. Fix the processing and you go a long way to really helping the child. It is the 'what did you say?' (quizical look) in your child's language. Tonal processing is reflected by their dropping off of consonents at the end of words such as instead of 'lots of stuff', it's more like lo' o' stuff. This is indicative that the child is 'missing' out hearing certain sounds (quite often consonents) and simply does not say them or learn them because he cannot 'hear' them. A program such as The Listening Program works wonders for these issues. It also works well for hyper-sensitive issues as well and 'resensitizes' the ear to accomodate all of the pitches and tones pertinent to the human ear. BUT.... if your child has auditory processing and/or tonal processing, I'd wager my right hand that they are having issues with casien so.... that has to go as well if you're going to really see the 'normalization' of processing sounds for them. Janice [sPAM] Re: [ ] > > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern > Daylight > > Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to > it. Has > > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help > to clip > > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his > tongue > > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or > cannot > > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a > doubt!I have > > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as > babies, and > > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their > eating.Knowing > > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their > mouth, I > > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them > anymore, but > > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but > once he > > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to > it.The > > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't > normally > > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by > that, > > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech > movements and if > > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as > compared to > > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them > to take > > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents > have to > > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem > that > > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a > pet peeve > > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, > it's to > > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, > because then > > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as > effective.It's > > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done > literally > > in seconds, and it's > over.Becky************************************** See > > what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com>[Non-text > portions of this message > have been > > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 , That's EXACTLY what we found with Mark. When we fixed the auditory, a lot of the speech problems fell away into 'nothingness' and what was left was actually quite minor. You are about to do this so I want to give you a lot of encouragemet (especially with the sequencing since it's difficult to do yet sooooo important). It really does work and my son is so much the better for it. Did you get your program yet? Janice [sPAM] [ ] Re: Questions???? A number of things: --The only song he can sing all the way through is the ABC song, which I sang at bedtime every night for years. He hated Music Together class, and his preschool teacher agreed that he seemed to be the first kid she's had that disliked music activities. In fact, when I bring him to music class (only when he happens to have a day off from school -- it's the little guys' class), he looks... off, like the stereotype of a kid with issues. Totally different than his normal look. --He never asks to be read to, interrupts with constant questions based on what he is seeing (rather than listening to the text), and can't answer simple questions the first time. (e.g. Me: There are two kinds of fire trucks, pumpers and ladders. , how many kinds of fire trucks are there? : uh, 500? If we've never read the book, I might have to repeat the sentence more than once.) --He's constantly asking questions based on what he sees, but he doesn't always listen to the answers. Instead, he repeats the question. --His listening skills can be poor, especially if the thought or command is complex. A lot of kids with auditory issues are mistakenly labeled ADHD because they seem inattentive, but with auditory issues it's about the brain not interpreting the input correctly. He is just starting kindergarten, but I anticipate him having problems with phonics, but not sight words. Because he went to an awesome preschool, he's pretty good at matching up basic sounds with their letters. Blends, on the other hand, totally throw him. He comes up with some crazy guesses that you could not anticipate. (e.g. one time he thought a " dr " word started with " j " .) NACD thinks that his lingering speech issues are a combination of auditory problems and low oral tone. So if we fix the auditory, the speech should improve without a lot of work. Also, he's probably behind on general knowledge because he's not soaking up as much in daily life plus he's not listening to a lot of books. And all this leads to some immaturity. Hope that helps. in NJ > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Thanks and Liz, I don't think Tyler has an auditory processing issue, but I'm glad to know what kinds of things to watch for. We are actually off milk now since we got a milk allergy test (IGG) done which came back showing milk as a " low level allergen " . Even with this done our regular pediatrician and a supposed excellent allergist said this was insignificant! Even when I told them milk makes my son congested and eventually after a week being on milk it turns into a cold and an eczema flare-up. The allergist like this couldn't possibly be and that anything can cause eczema flare-ups! Sorry, now i'm venting but thanks so much for the auditory processing signs! Liz <lizlaw@...> wrote: For us it was his apparent inability to follow direction. For daughter you knew she got it but seemed to be blowing us off but wasn't. Her hearing and her brothers, were cutting in and out due to a milk allergy. Thankfully we got rid of the milk and the problem. That is our story and not everyones but auditory processing was a concern of ours and the therapists wh initially brought it to our attention. I thought he was just lazy (one of my many dumb thoughts. Ignorance was bliss but information and helping my kid is preferable.) lauren baron wrote: > , > I'm just real curious...what made you concerned about auditory > processing? My son is only 22 mons so I don't think this is an issue > for us now but I was just wondering when and how you know there is an > auditory processing issue. > > > bigcheech91 <bigcheech91@... <mailto:bigcheech91%40>> > wrote: > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > > > > > > Aaaaah, the diagnosis. > > > > We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech > at a > > young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a > true > > diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we > were > > labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, > expressive/receptive > > language delay at various points along the journey. The gross > motor and > > fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to > diagnose > > until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far > behind > > before they make a real committment to issues! > > > > Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of > speech, > > there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all > likelihood, there > > are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop > sign up > > ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked > on now > > but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates > and > > different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of > their > > milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis > and be > > faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out > to be a > > late-bloomer. > > > > What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does > have > > verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and > other > > devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all > > therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body > tone, > > current developmental observations, etc. > > > > Did I make any sense here? > > > > Janice > > > > > > [sPAM] Re: [ ] > > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern > Daylight > > Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to > it. Has > > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help > to clip > > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his > tongue > > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or > cannot > > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a > doubt!I have > > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as > babies, and > > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their > eating.Knowing > > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their > mouth, I > > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them > anymore, but > > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but > once he > > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to > it.The > > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't > normally > > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by > that, > > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech > movements and if > > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as > compared to > > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them > to take > > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents > have to > > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem > that > > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a > pet peeve > > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, > it's to > > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, > because then > > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as > effective.It's > > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done > literally > > in seconds, and it's > over.Becky************************************** See > > what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com>[Non-text > portions of this message > have been > > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Janice...what do you mean by sequencing. Aggie [sPAM] [ ] Re: Questions???? A number of things: --The only song he can sing all the way through is the ABC song, which I sang at bedtime every night for years. He hated Music Together class, and his preschool teacher agreed that he seemed to be the first kid she's had that disliked music activities. In fact, when I bring him to music class (only when he happens to have a day off from school -- it's the little guys' class), he looks... off, like the stereotype of a kid with issues. Totally different than his normal look. --He never asks to be read to, interrupts with constant questions based on what he is seeing (rather than listening to the text), and can't answer simple questions the first time. (e.g. Me: There are two kinds of fire trucks, pumpers and ladders. , how many kinds of fire trucks are there? : uh, 500? If we've never read the book, I might have to repeat the sentence more than once.) --He's constantly asking questions based on what he sees, but he doesn't always listen to the answers. Instead, he repeats the question. --His listening skills can be poor, especially if the thought or command is complex. A lot of kids with auditory issues are mistakenly labeled ADHD because they seem inattentive, but with auditory issues it's about the brain not interpreting the input correctly. He is just starting kindergarten, but I anticipate him having problems with phonics, but not sight words. Because he went to an awesome preschool, he's pretty good at matching up basic sounds with their letters. Blends, on the other hand, totally throw him. He comes up with some crazy guesses that you could not anticipate. (e.g. one time he thought a " dr " word started with " j " .) NACD thinks that his lingering speech issues are a combination of auditory problems and low oral tone. So if we fix the auditory, the speech should improve without a lot of work. Also, he's probably behind on general knowledge because he's not soaking up as much in daily life plus he's not listening to a lot of books. And all this leads to some immaturity. Hope that helps. in NJ > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Your allergist will never ever see a milk problem because he has decided they do not exist. Honestly what harms our kids is not a dairy conspiracy but a listening delay among the professionals! lauren baron wrote: > Thanks and Liz, > I don't think Tyler has an auditory processing issue, but I'm glad to > know what kinds of things to watch for. We are actually off milk now > since we got a milk allergy test (IGG) done which came back showing > milk as a " low level allergen " . Even with this done our regular > pediatrician and a supposed excellent allergist said this was > insignificant! Even when I told them milk makes my son congested and > eventually after a week being on milk it turns into a cold and an > eczema flare-up. The allergist like this couldn't possibly be and that > anything can cause eczema flare-ups! Sorry, now i'm venting but thanks > so much for the auditory processing signs! > > > Liz <lizlaw@... <mailto:lizlaw%40optonline.net>> wrote: > For us it was his apparent inability to follow direction. For daughter > you knew she got it but seemed to be blowing us off but wasn't. Her > hearing and her brothers, were cutting in and out due to a milk allergy. > Thankfully we got rid of the milk and the problem. That is our story and > not everyones but auditory processing was a concern of ours and the > therapists wh initially brought it to our attention. I thought he was > just lazy (one of my many dumb thoughts. Ignorance was bliss but > information and helping my kid is preferable.) > > lauren baron wrote: > > > , > > I'm just real curious...what made you concerned about auditory > > processing? My son is only 22 mons so I don't think this is an issue > > for us now but I was just wondering when and how you know there is an > > auditory processing issue. > > > > > > bigcheech91 <bigcheech91@... <mailto:bigcheech91%40> > <mailto:bigcheech91%40>> > > wrote: > > I agree 100% with Janice, and I would add that apraxia is easiest to > > dx in hindsight. Once a child has some speech, it is easier to see > > the apraxic elements. When they have no speech, it could be > > anything. Along the way, you will find people throwing out ages that > > need to pass belong you can have a proper evaluation for this or > > that. That does not mean you can't work on that problem today. We > > are experiencing this right now. I have worried about auditory > > processing disorder for some time, and I keep getting told that it's > > best to wait until 7 or even 8 for an evaluation. In the meantime, > > the NACD thinks it's my son's number one problem, and they are > > putting together a program for him right now, at 5. > > > > in NJ > > > > > > > > > > Aaaaah, the diagnosis. > > > > > > We had the diagnosis of apraxia of speech and dysarthria of speech > > at a > > > young age, probably between the 2.5 to 3.5 age. We did not get a > > true > > > diagnosis of developmental dyspraxia until the age of 7 although we > > were > > > labled with 'gross motor delay, fine motor delay, > > expressive/receptive > > > language delay at various points along the journey. The gross > > motor and > > > fine motor component of developmental dyspraxia, they don't like to > > diagnose > > > until later.... they like to wait until the child gets good and far > > behind > > > before they make a real committment to issues! > > > > > > Sorry for the skeptisism but it is true. If you have apraxia of > > speech, > > > there is a 90% co-morbidity with other problems so in all > > likelihood, there > > > are other issues just lurking around the corner waiting at the stop > > sign up > > > ahead a few years. This could be successfully attacked and worked > > on now > > > but according to the 'books', children develop at different rates > > and > > > different speeds. Thus, until a child has truly MISSED all of > > their > > > milestones and are eons behind, no one likes to make the diagnosis > > and be > > > faced with possible professional humiliation if the child turns out > > to be a > > > late-bloomer. > > > > > > What they should do is this: indicate that because the child does > > have > > > verbal appraxia, there is a high risk of developmental apraxia and > > other > > > devlopmental issues and thus this child should have access to all > > > therapeutic options. This could be based on observations on body > > tone, > > > current developmental observations, etc. > > > > > > Did I make any sense here? > > > > > > Janice > > > > > > > > > [sPAM] Re: [ ] > > > Questions????In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:01:02 P.M. Eastern > > Daylight > > > Time, hanagan_8@... writes:*He has a restricted frenulum. The > > > therapist would like to see it clipped. The doctor is opposed to > > it. Has > > > anyone else encountered this issue? I've read that it doesn't help > > to clip > > > the frenulum, and I'd rather avoid unnecessary surgical procedures. > > > Currently, though, he can't touch the top of his lips or move his > > tongue > > > from side to side. This ABSOLUTELY DOES Affect how a child can or > > cannot > > > talk. If the frenulum is restricted, GET IT CLIPPED, without a > > doubt!I have > > > had personal experience with this with TWO of my children as > > babies, and > > > since they were breastfed, it made a difference with their > > eating.Knowing > > > that they needed the tongue to be able to touch the top of their > > mouth, I > > > went immediately to the ENT, since the Ped's don't clip them > > anymore, but > > > rather the ENT.The guy didn't want to clip it for a newborn, but > > once he > > > realized that the child couldn't feed properly, then he agreed to > > it.The > > > thing they told me with each child though, was that they wouldn't > > normally > > > clip until they child had difficulty speaking. I was incensed by > > that, > > > because even as a baby, they need the tongue for pre-speech > > movements and if > > > they don't have that-- they will acquire a speech problem, as > > compared to > > > simply avoiding one altogether.Doesn't it make more sense for them > > to take > > > care of the tongue BEFORE it's an issue, and before the parents > > have to > > > spend hundreds or thousands on speech therapy to correct a problem > > that > > > could have simply been avoided altogether?You can tell this is a > > pet peeve > > > of mineBut, in all honesty, if it's something I can stress highly, > > it's to > > > most definitely get the frenulum clipped if it's restricted, > > because then > > > all of the speech therapy that you pay for simply won't be as > > effective.It's > > > not real surgery-- it's simply a clip to the tongue, and it's done > > literally > > > in seconds, and it's > > over.Becky************************************** See > > > what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com> > <http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com>>[Non-text > > portions of this message > > have been > > > removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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