Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I like LaVerne's idea. I've had good luck using poly film (started out with Tedlar because I was worried about being distracted by poly odor, but not really a problem). I like the blue tape that doesn't peel of the paint. Terry Brennan RE: Odor problem On 25 Jan 2005 18:27:44 -0000, <iequality > wrote: Have you considered simply putting a foil barrier over the vinyl to see if it makes any difference at all in terms of having it isolated? (I would tape it in place with foil tape, as well, so as not to introduce any new variables.) If you notice a difference in any way, then it's likely to be related to the vinyl in some way and removing it might solve the problem. Hope this helps, LaVerne > Hi again everybody - here is an update on my downtown office building > conference room odor problem. Hopefully some of you remember the > scenario so > I won't repeat myself overly much...since this was last discussed the > following has been done by the management: > * All furniture and carpet/pad removed. Odor remains. > * Floor sealed and new carpet installed. Odor remains. > * Suspended ceiling panels replaced (fairly standard 2'x2' tile > ceiling). Odor remains. > * Vinyl wall covering cleaned and washed. Odor remains. FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 That would be fun from a scientific standpoint...not sure it is practical though. The walls are certainly the only surface that has not been physically changed thus far... D. Carlson, CIAQC, CMRS Liesch Associates, Inc. RE: Odor problem On 25 Jan 2005 18:27:44 -0000, <iequality > wrote: Have you considered simply putting a foil barrier over the vinyl to see if it makes any difference at all in terms of having it isolated? (I would tape it in place with foil tape, as well, so as not to introduce any new variables.) If you notice a difference in any way, then it's likely to be related to the vinyl in some way and removing it might solve the problem. Hope this helps, LaVerne > Hi again everybody - here is an update on my downtown office building > conference room odor problem. Hopefully some of you remember the > scenario so > I won't repeat myself overly much...since this was last discussed the > following has been done by the management: > * All furniture and carpet/pad removed. Odor remains. > * Floor sealed and new carpet installed. Odor remains. > * Suspended ceiling panels replaced (fairly standard 2'x2' tile > ceiling). Odor remains. > * Vinyl wall covering cleaned and washed. Odor remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 > That would be fun from a scientific standpoint...not sure it is > practical though. What is it you see as being impractical in doing this? > The walls are certainly the only surface that has not been > physically changed thus far... Yes, and it could well be another wall, but I'd suspect the vinyl covered one. Vinyl can have some odd odours on its own or there could be mold or something behind the paper. Take good care, LaVerne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 : Did you ever solve the odor problem in that downtown office building conference room ? I was curious about the source ... e Indoor Environmental Testing Inc ---- Original Message ----- From: Carlson To: 'iequality ' Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: Odor problem Hi again everybody - here is an update on my downtown office building conference room odor problem. Hopefully some of you remember the scenario so I won't repeat myself overly much...since this was last discussed the following has been done by the management: All furniture and carpet/pad removed. Odor remains. Floor sealed and new carpet installed. Odor remains. Suspended ceiling panels replaced (fairly standard 2'x2' tile ceiling). Odor remains. Vinyl wall covering cleaned and washed. Odor remains. We are now, somewhat out of desperation, thinking of looking into each wall cavity for...who knows what. There is no water source around this room that could have soaked any of the walls. Even a dead mouse (which have been reported in the building occasionally) doesn't stink forever, especially when the humidity is in the single digits like it has been recently with the below zero temps outside. You guys have been very helpful with your brainstorming ideas and investigative avenues...what do you think now? D. Carlson, CIAQC, CMRS Liesch Associates, Inc. FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 " These are hard nuts to crack " ! *LOL* I did not follow your " thread " but were you able to measure anything? Did anybody discuss comparing odor thresholds to various low level chemical exposures? Cutz, CIH Toronto, Ontario, Canada FURTHER TO ... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: iequality To: <iequality > Subject: Re: Odor problem Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:42:04 -0600 : Did you ever solve the odor problem in that downtown office building conference room ? I was curious about the source ... e Indoor Environmental Testing Inc ---- Original Message ----- From: Carlson To: 'iequality ' Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: RE: Odor problem Hi again everybody - here is an update on my downtown office building conference room odor problem. Hopefully some of you remember the scenario so I won't repeat myself overly much...since this was last discussed the following has been done by the management: a.. All furniture and carpet/pad removed. Odor remains. b.. Floor sealed and new carpet installed. Odor remains. c.. Suspended ceiling panels replaced (fairly standard 2'x2' tile ceiling). Odor remains. d.. Vinyl wall covering cleaned and washed. Odor remains. We are now, somewhat out of desperation, thinking of looking into each wall cavity for...who knows what. There is no water source around this room that could have soaked any of the walls. Even a dead mouse (which have been reported in the building occasionally) doesn't stink forever, especially when the humidity is in the single digits like it has been recently with the below zero temps outside. You guys have been very helpful with your brainstorming ideas and investigative avenues...what do you think now? D. Carlson, CIAQC, CMRS Liesch Associates, Inc. FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 No...despite all efforts the odor is still present. The owner has decided to dismantle the walls entirely, at which point every material in the room will have been changed out, except the concrete subfloor. He has asked me to be present for the grand deconstruction. If a source is identified I will be sure to let you all know... D. Carlson, CIAQC, CMRS Liesch Associates, Inc. RE: Odor problem Hi again everybody - here is an update on my downtown office building conference room odor problem. Hopefully some of you remember the scenario so I won't repeat myself overly much...since this was last discussed the following has been done by the management: 1.All furniture and carpet/pad removed. Odor remains. 2.Floor sealed and new carpet installed. Odor remains. 3.Suspended ceiling panels replaced (fairly standard 2'x2' tile ceiling). Odor remains. 4.Vinyl wall covering cleaned and washed. Odor remains. We are now, somewhat out of desperation, thinking of looking into each wall cavity for...who knows what. There is no water source around this room that could have soaked any of the walls. Even a dead mouse (which have been reported in the building occasionally) doesn't stink forever, especially when the humidity is in the single digits like it has been recently with the below zero temps outside. You guys have been very helpful with your brainstorming ideas and investigative avenues...what do you think now? D. Carlson, CIAQC, CMRS Liesch Associates, Inc. FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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