Toxins and autism

April 9, 2008

I posted this 3 days ago , looks like it got lost in the system ..

, thank you for your good wish's and I'm glad you have had success in

improving your children's health .

I am symptom free after decades of ill health and six+ years utterly

dependent on antibiotics to combat classic yeast and Lyme symptoms ...At 60

years of age and a diabetic [care of the infection] I think you will not

find many who has gained their health as I have done with this. I can

therefore talk with some authority .

Friendly argument/debate is a very good way of getting to the truth ,but

you should be sure that the information/principles you supply to back your

arguments is/are sound , otherwise your arguments will founder .This is not

a private debate ,this forum will be read by thousands for all we know ..

I'm still somewhat traumatised by Tamie's description of her daughters

seizure with the devastating the impact on her brother it has haunted me

since I read it .It's the reason we must find the answers ..

I'm sorry but your argument that finding toxins in the autistic child proves

a cause and effect is simply not good science , It's the same argument for

the presence of metals .

We need to show *** why autistic children accumulate toxins**** why should

autistic children accumulate metals and siblings, friends who live cheek by

jowl do not ..It cannot be an unlucky chance encounter with metals in the

environment because quite frankly the cause would quickly be found ..and

there wouldn't be such a black and white situation with the problem ..

The answer of course is the altered gut flora that inhibits the autistic

childs ability to metabolise metals [as per the study ] ..and no doubt many

other toxins that are with us in minute quantities.

I said I was traumatised by Tamies daughters predicament but I'm also

appalled at the way many seem to be drawn to obvious quacks , its

understandable that you all look to explore every possible avenue but why

you all ignore the prevailing view of many experts that cite yeast as the

main problem beats me ..Its painful for me to witness what is to my mind

abuse by neglect ..Sorry to be blunt, I know its not intentional but there

it is ...

More evidence on BT and

posible link to autism.

My Bt theory keeps growing folks. This is truly awful.

How many more children will have to pay and suffer until we test our

children and find the link to make this insane people to stop this genocide.

.

Tuesday, March 02, 2004[NL]Bt toxin found in blood samples of

townfolks[NL]By V. Estabillo[NL][NL]GENERAL SANTOS -- A Norwegian

scientist on Monday confirmed that residents of a farming village in

Polomok, South Cotabato may have been exposed to Bacillus Thuringiensis (Bt)

toxin. [NL][NL]The residents were downed last year by supposed infection

from Bt corn planted in the area. [NL][NL]Dr. Terje Traavik, a scientist

from the Norwegian Institute of Gene Ecology, said preliminary results of a

study conducted on blood samples taken last year from at least 38 farmers

and individuals from Sitio Kalyong, Barangay Landan in Polomolok town

allegedly yielded the presence of Bt toxin. [NL][NL] " Antibodies in the human

blood show that these people have been exposed to the Bt toxin during the

last few months, " said Traavik in a statement released Monday morning by the

South East Asia Regional Initiatives for Community Empowerment (Searice).

[NL][NL]Bacillus thuringiensis is an insecticidal bacterium marketed

worldwide for control of many important plant pests. Bt products represent

about one percent of the total " agrochemical " market (fungicides, herbicides

and insecticides) across the world. [NL][NL]Commercial Bt products are

powders containing a mixture of dried spores and toxin crystals. They are

applied to leaves or other environments where insect larvae feed. Toxin

genes have also been genetically engineered into several crop plants

[NL][NL]However, the scientist noted that the results of the preliminary

studies are not yet conclusive. [NL][NL] " [The analysis] has shown a

coincidence in time which may or may not show a cause and effect

relationship between the production of antibodies against Bt toxin and the

disease allegedly suffered by these farmers and individuals, " he said.

[NL][NL]At least 106 lumad (indigenous people) residents, mostly elderly and

children, sought medical treatment in July last year due to infections

supposedly caused by the pollens of 60-day-old Bt corn planted in at least

two sites in Sitio Kalyong. [NL][NL]Sister Bolanio, director of the

Social Action Center of the Diocese of Marbel, said the natives, belonging

to the B'laan tribe, complained of various illnesses supposedly during the

two-week flowering sage of the Bt corn produced by biotechnology firm

Monsanto Philippines. [NL][NL]The questioned Bt corn, marketed by Monsanto

under the YieldGard 818 brand, were planted separately in May 18 last year

in two sites covering one hectare each. [NL][NL]According to documented

accounts by at least 51 residents, the symptoms allegedly caused by the Bt

corn range from gastrointestinal pain, vomiting, headache, cough, colds and

skin allergies. [NL][NL]Polomolok health officer Dr. Edwin Dipus, who

examined and treated the patients, doubts whether Bt corn caused the

reported illnesses. [NL][NL]He said the patients, who were mostly treated

for respiratory tract infections, could have acquired the infections because

of the rainy season then. [NL][NL]However, Dipus recommended deeper study on

the claims of the supposed Bt corn victims, and to call in toxicology

experts. [NL][NL]Searice immediately brought the incident to the attention

of Dr. Lynn Crisanta Panganiban, chair of the National Poison Control and

Information Service of the University of the Philippines College of

Medicine. [NL][NL]Panganiban, based on her analysis on the documented cases,

noted the " clustering effect on the manifestation of symptoms at almost the

same period is more indicative of a chemical exposure rather than biological

exposure. " [NL][NL]In September last year, Traavik, who was then conducting

an independent research on Bt corn in South Cotabato, got hold of the report

and immediately offered to analyze the blood samples of the affected

residents in his laboratory at the University of Tromso in Norway.

[NL][NL]The blood samples from 38 affected individuals were taken October

last year in Polomolok, and blood sampling was reportedly done under the

supervision of a municipal health officer and a registered medical

technologist. [NL][NL]The blood samples were sent to Dr. Traavik's

laboratory at the University of Tromso in Norway last Oct. 12. [NL][NL]When

informed about such findings Monday morning, Monsanto officials here

immediately raised doubts about the credibility of the findings and

recommended an independent study on the matter. [NL][NL] " We really don't

know how they were able to determine such findings except that they came

from those opposing our product, " said Francisco Camacho, Monsanto's

technology development executive. [NL][NL]He said the credibility of

findings should be substantiated, especially the process by which the blood

samples were taken. [NL][NL] " We have to make sure that the samples were

taken properly and that the process of the analysis was based of accepted

scientific standards, " he said. [NL][NL]Camacho also said that the alleged

infection of Landan residents from the Bt corn plants was the only report

they received out of the hundreds of sites planted with Bt corn in this city

and nearby South Cotabato. [NL][NL]The government approved Monsanto's

application for the commercialization of Bt corn in December 2002.

[NL][NL]Monsanto started the distribution of its Bt corn products through

Dekalb and several private seed companies based in Northern Luzon.

[NL][NL]Anit-GMO [NL][NL]Earlier, a former nun adjudged last year as " Best

Female Farmer " by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization

(UNFAO) strongly called on consumers to shun food products containing

genetically modified organisms (GMOs). [NL][NL]Virginia Muniño, who left the

convent of the Oblates of Notre Dame in 1994, said food products modified

genetically " pose as risk to human health and the environment. " [NL][NL] " No

one has the right to tinker God's creation whether they are plants or

animals. Disturbing the natural genetic structure [of plants and animals]

may result to health and environment catastrophe, " she said. [NL][NL]Muniño

was recognized as Best Female Farmer for 2003 for transforming her

two-hectare farm into a teeming enterprise using organic farming method.

[NL][NL]The 55-year-old former nun has been discouraging the public from

patronizing GMO products, particularly the controversial Bt corn that was

approved for commercial distribution by the Arroyo government in late 2002.

[NL][NL] " With regards to Bt corn, there's still no worldwide scientific

consensus that it's safe for human consumption as well as its impact to the

environment, " she said.

Lalama.

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18:38

April 14, 2008

your post is very interesting regarding yeast being a cause for

autism but I wonder why you don't consider Dr. Shoemaker's work? He

says 24% of the population has a genetic inability to filter toxins.

For those people/kids a toxin binding drug or supplement may help.

As a matter-of-fact his treatment with CSM during the pfiesteria

outbreak cured many people who were very sick. And it has worked on

mold patients and Lyme patients as well. He also says you have to

clear bacteria and fungus infections as well. Like you said it is

not that simple and just clearing a fungus infection may not do the

trick. It worked for you but you may not be of the genotype that has

an inability to filter toxins. I'm curious what you think about this?

Sharon

> , thank you for your good wish's and I'm glad you have had

success in

> improving your children's health .

> I am symptom free after decades of ill health and six+ years

utterly

> dependent on antibiotics to combat classic yeast and Lyme

symptoms ...At 60

> years of age and a diabetic [care of the infection] I think you

will not

> find many who has gained their health as I have done with this. I

can

> therefore talk with some authority .

> Friendly argument/debate is a very good way of getting to the

truth ,but

> you should be sure that the information/principles you supply to

back your

> arguments is/are sound , otherwise your arguments will

founder .This is not

> a private debate ,this forum will be read by thousands for all we

know ..

>

> I'm still somewhat traumatised by Tamie's description of her

daughters

> seizure with the devastating the impact on her brother it has

haunted me

> since I read it .It's the reason we must find the answers ..

> I'm sorry but your argument that finding toxins in the autistic

child proves

> a cause and effect is simply not good science , It's the same

argument for

> the presence of metals .

> We need to show *** why autistic children accumulate toxins**** why

should

> autistic children accumulate metals and siblings, friends who live

cheek by

> jowl do not ..It cannot be an unlucky chance encounter with metals

in the

> environment because quite frankly the cause would quickly be

found ..and

> there wouldn't be such a black and white situation with the

problem ..

> The answer of course is the altered gut flora that inhibits the

autistic

> childs ability to metabolise metals [as per the study ] ..and no

doubt many

> other toxins that are with us in minute quantities.

>

> I said I was traumatised by Tamies daughters predicament but I'm

also

> appalled at the way many seem to be drawn to obvious quacks , its

> understandable that you all look to explore every possible avenue

but why

> you all ignore the prevailing view of many experts that cite yeast

as the

> main problem beats me ..Its painful for me to witness what is to my

mind

> abuse by neglect ..Sorry to be blunt, I know its not intentional

but there

> it is ...

>

> More evidence on BT

and

> posible link to autism.

> My Bt theory keeps growing folks. This is truly awful.

> How many more children will have to pay and suffer until we test our

> children and find the link to make this insane people to stop this

genocide.

>

> .

>

> Tuesday, March 02, 2004[NL]Bt toxin found in blood samples of

> townfolks[NL]By V. Estabillo[NL][NL]GENERAL SANTOS -- A

Norwegian

> scientist on Monday confirmed that residents of a farming village in

> Polomok, South Cotabato may have been exposed to Bacillus

Thuringiensis (Bt)

> toxin. [NL][NL]The residents were downed last year by supposed

infection

> from Bt corn planted in the area. [NL][NL]Dr. Terje Traavik, a

scientist

> from the Norwegian Institute of Gene Ecology, said preliminary

results of a

> study conducted on blood samples taken last year from at least 38

farmers

> and individuals from Sitio Kalyong, Barangay Landan in Polomolok

town

> allegedly yielded the presence of Bt toxin. [NL][NL] " Antibodies in

the human

> blood show that these people have been exposed to the Bt toxin

during the

> last few months, " said Traavik in a statement released Monday

morning by the

> South East Asia Regional Initiatives for Community Empowerment

(Searice).

> [NL][NL]Bacillus thuringiensis is an insecticidal bacterium marketed

> worldwide for control of many important plant pests. Bt products

represent

> about one percent of the total " agrochemical " market (fungicides,

herbicides

> and insecticides) across the world. [NL][NL]Commercial Bt products

are

> powders containing a mixture of dried spores and toxin crystals.

They are

> applied to leaves or other environments where insect larvae feed.

Toxin

> genes have also been genetically engineered into several crop plants

> [NL][NL]However, the scientist noted that the results of the

preliminary

> studies are not yet conclusive. [NL][NL] " [The analysis] has shown a

> coincidence in time which may or may not show a cause and effect

> relationship between the production of antibodies against Bt toxin

and the

> disease allegedly suffered by these farmers and individuals, " he

said.

> [NL][NL]At least 106 lumad (indigenous people) residents, mostly

elderly and

> children, sought medical treatment in July last year due to

infections

> supposedly caused by the pollens of 60-day-old Bt corn planted in

at least

> two sites in Sitio Kalyong. [NL][NL]Sister Bolanio, director

of the

> Social Action Center of the Diocese of Marbel, said the natives,

belonging

> to the B'laan tribe, complained of various illnesses supposedly

during the

> two-week flowering sage of the Bt corn produced by biotechnology

firm

> Monsanto Philippines. [NL][NL]The questioned Bt corn, marketed by

Monsanto

> under the YieldGard 818 brand, were planted separately in May 18

last year

> in two sites covering one hectare each. [NL][NL]According to

documented

> accounts by at least 51 residents, the symptoms allegedly caused by

the Bt

> corn range from gastrointestinal pain, vomiting, headache, cough,

colds and

> skin allergies. [NL][NL]Polomolok health officer Dr. Edwin Dipus,

who

> examined and treated the patients, doubts whether Bt corn caused the

> reported illnesses. [NL][NL]He said the patients, who were mostly

treated

> for respiratory tract infections, could have acquired the

infections because

> of the rainy season then. [NL][NL]However, Dipus recommended deeper

study on

> the claims of the supposed Bt corn victims, and to call in

toxicology

> experts. [NL][NL]Searice immediately brought the incident to the

attention

> of Dr. Lynn Crisanta Panganiban, chair of the National Poison

Control and

> Information Service of the University of the Philippines College of

> Medicine. [NL][NL]Panganiban, based on her analysis on the

documented cases,

> noted the " clustering effect on the manifestation of symptoms at

almost the

> same period is more indicative of a chemical exposure rather than

biological

> exposure. " [NL][NL]In September last year, Traavik, who was then

conducting

> an independent research on Bt corn in South Cotabato, got hold of

the report

> and immediately offered to analyze the blood samples of the affected

> residents in his laboratory at the University of Tromso in Norway.

> [NL][NL]The blood samples from 38 affected individuals were taken

October

> last year in Polomolok, and blood sampling was reportedly done

under the

> supervision of a municipal health officer and a registered medical

> technologist. [NL][NL]The blood samples were sent to Dr. Traavik's

> laboratory at the University of Tromso in Norway last Oct. 12. [NL]

[NL]When

> informed about such findings Monday morning, Monsanto officials here

> immediately raised doubts about the credibility of the findings and

> recommended an independent study on the matter. [NL][NL] " We really

don't

> know how they were able to determine such findings except that they

came

> from those opposing our product, " said Francisco Camacho, Monsanto's

> technology development executive. [NL][NL]He said the credibility of

> findings should be substantiated, especially the process by which

the blood

> samples were taken. [NL][NL] " We have to make sure that the samples

were

> taken properly and that the process of the analysis was based of

accepted

> scientific standards, " he said. [NL][NL]Camacho also said that the

alleged

> infection of Landan residents from the Bt corn plants was the only

report

> they received out of the hundreds of sites planted with Bt corn in

this city

> and nearby South Cotabato. [NL][NL]The government approved

Monsanto's

> application for the commercialization of Bt corn in December 2002.

> [NL][NL]Monsanto started the distribution of its Bt corn products

through

> Dekalb and several private seed companies based in Northern Luzon.

> [NL][NL]Anit-GMO [NL][NL]Earlier, a former nun adjudged last year

as " Best

> Female Farmer " by the United Nations Food and Agriculture

Organization

> (UNFAO) strongly called on consumers to shun food products

containing

> genetically modified organisms (GMOs). [NL][NL]Virginia Muniño, who

left the

> convent of the Oblates of Notre Dame in 1994, said food products

modified

> genetically " pose as risk to human health and the environment. " [NL]

[NL] " No

> one has the right to tinker God's creation whether they are plants

or

> animals. Disturbing the natural genetic structure [of plants and

animals]

> may result to health and environment catastrophe, " she said. [NL]

[NL]Muniño

> was recognized as Best Female Farmer for 2003 for transforming her

> two-hectare farm into a teeming enterprise using organic farming

method.

> [NL][NL]The 55-year-old former nun has been discouraging the public

from

> patronizing GMO products, particularly the controversial Bt corn

that was

> approved for commercial distribution by the Arroyo government in

late 2002.

> [NL][NL] " With regards to Bt corn, there's still no worldwide

scientific

> consensus that it's safe for human consumption as well as its

impact to the

> environment, " she said.

>

> Lalama.

> http://www.reversingautism.org

> For the record, all original ideas like BT connection and

> other opinions and hypothesis created by Lalama

> relevant to autism and expressed in this email are

> Copyright by Lalama 2005-2008.

>

> No virus found in this outgoing message.

> Checked by AVG.

> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1364 - Release Date:

07/04/2008

> 18:38

>

April 14, 2008

Sharon , I don’t consider Dr Shoemaker’s genetic involvement as a cause/complication

of autism simple because its bad science

Autism is new in

evolutionary terms , the growth is exponential …THAT RULES OUT ANY GENETIC

INVOLEMENT AS A CAUSE if growth occurs

in any condition within the same generation [30yrs] then genetics cannot be a

factor .His treatment maybe very useful, but it’s crystal clear that a genetic

trait that inhibits the metabolising of toxins has nothing to do with the

explosive growth of autism .

As I point out in my site

an analogy would be..In sunburn fair skinned people suffer disproportionately

worse than others .. it would be stupid to blame their genetic make up as a

cause of the problem , the sun is the problem …We all have a genetic make up that

make us more or less susceptible to many things that challenge us …Like the

fair skinned people who are more susceptible to sunlight ..we display genetic

traits not a genetic faults ..and just as it’s the challenge of sunlight with

fair skins it’s some other EXTERNAL challenge with autism ..I know that

challenge is yeast because I’ve experienced it ..There maybe kids who fair

better or worse because of their particular genetic make up .***but the new*** external challenge

is antibiotics that have altered our gut flora downgrading the immune system. And

don’t forget there are no shades of grey with autism , it’s no puzzle to me

that the autistic child accumulates metal and probably other toxins too while siblings, peers do not.

Restoring gut flora to optimise the immune system is the goal ..and today’s

probiotics are transient and do not permanently restore gut flora .. I may have

the answer to that

But in the meantime as they say …our wonderful medical professionals do

not recognise yeast as a problem , so as ive said before unless you people kick

up a skink about that then no meaningful progress can be expected from the

medics ..Its up to you people ..i’m cured …I would like to use my experience to

cure your children , but I need your help …

http://www.yeast-candida-infections-uk.co.uk/

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Re: Toxins and autism

your

post is very interesting regarding yeast being a cause for