Re: They have Kombucha now!

[Guest guest]

I wonder if it will be sold in plastic like their milk products? I'm

lucky enough to have Claravale raw milk in glass at my local Whole

Foods. http://claravaledairy.com

The big plus is that it is strictly from jersey cows, which have lower

incidents of the genetic mutation that produces bad A1 beta-casein

proteins (BCM7 opioids) in the milk. I can provide more info on that

if anyone is interested and it's not too off topic.

This is my absolute favorite kombucha and it's sold in glass:

http://www.gtskombucha.com

In fact I have a cold bottle of gingerade beside me right now. It's an

expensive addiction and I should make my own, but I'm not sure if my

son could tolerate the high phenol load yet. It's too much trouble

just for me - I'd rather pay $3 per bottle.....

He's over the effects of PST deficiency/toxic overload and I've been

slowly increasing his phenol intake to find his new threshold. I think

kombucha might push it over the top. It's worth a test one weekend

though because it's SOOOOOOO good for your gut! And I just love the taste.

I'd highly recommend it for everyone, unless there is a history of

phenol issues. Or sulfur for that matter - because they processed by

the same PST enzyme.

>

> http://www.organicpastures.com/products_kombucha.html

>

[Guest guest]

Does Claravale carry raw butter? That actually was what I was going

to buy from Organic Pastures....

> >

> > http://www.organicpastures.com/products_kombucha.html

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I did a search on phenols. Can you tell me what they can do that's

not so good?

Second question... sorry to have so many... do some of you all who

can tolerate dairy comsume raw dairy? I have been on the verge of

purchasing raw milk and keep holding back for fear of lyme in the

milk... since lyme supposedly can be contracted in breast milk. I can

see that the beneficial bacteria present in cows who are properly fed

could make all the difference. Readin up on that at Weston Price

website, about lyme is not directly addressed.

Thanks a ton. Sal

> >

> > http://www.organicpastures.com/products_kombucha.html

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kombucha is likely high oxalate as well since it is fermented tea, for anyone

with oxalate sensitivity.

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Also, a subset of ASD children are highly allergy to yeast and cannot

be on either Kombucha, Saccharomyces Boulardii, or coconut kefir.

Limin

Ingrid Julyk wrote:

Kombucha is likely high oxalate as well since it is fermented tea,

for anyone with oxalate sensitivity.

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Hi Sal,

It's kinda complicated, involving a metabolic enzyme (not a digestive

one) called PST which processes phenols and sulfur into VERY useful

detox assistance molecules. It gets messed up by environmental toxins,

chlorine, artificial colors/flavors/msg etc.

A certain subset of kids on the spectrum benefit from a low phenol and

low sulfur diet along with certain essential elements to support PST

function. Once the traffic jam has cleared, then phenols and sulfur

foods can be re-introduced to tolerance level. Natural sources of

phenols and sulfur are good for you - if you can process them (think

pomegranates and broccoli) but if the biochemical processes are busted

then they just create a back log of stuff waiting in line.....

Here is a nice simple explanation:

http://www.healthfulliving.org/autism/sulfation

Let me know if you want to take it further and I can give you more

reading material. I don't think this relates to lyme at all, so I'm

not sure how much off-topic biochemistry chatter is tolerated by the

group.

As for milk - I drink raw cow's milk myself. My son only get raw dairy

from non cow sources (sheep, goat, buffalo). I wouldn't introduce cows

milk till you really understand the implications of the A1 gene

mutation in dairy cattle. It can produce the BMC 7(opioid) peptide if

the milk is not digested properly. I believe that BMC7 can NOT be

created from milk from animals with the (non-mutated) A2 beta-casein

gene. This is just my opinion. I'm waiting on a peptide test result to

confirm or destroy all my research.

I don't believe is related to lyme at this point, but you never know!

If you want more information buy the book Devil in the Milk by K.B.

Woodford.

What's the story about lyme in raw milk? Do dairy animals get infected

with this?

>

> I did a search on phenols. Can you tell me what they can do that's

> not so good?

>

> Second question... sorry to have so many... do some of you all who

> can tolerate dairy comsume raw dairy? I have been on the verge of

> purchasing raw milk and keep holding back for fear of lyme in the

> milk... since lyme supposedly can be contracted in breast milk. I can

> see that the beneficial bacteria present in cows who are properly fed

> could make all the difference. Readin up on that at Weston Price

> website, about lyme is not directly addressed.

>

> Thanks a ton. Sal

[Guest guest]

Not that I know of. I've been told that making butter is not that

hard. Put it in a wide mouth glass container (with a lid!) and shake

while watching TV. I'm never sitting in one place long enough to try

it out, but when I get the conference DVD's I'll be stuck on the couch

for countless hours. I might give it a try with goat's milk for my son.

At the moment I buy butter that's made from pasteurized water buffalo

milk. I'm not thrilled about the pasteurization, but I'm not ready to

try him on cows milk that may have A1 beta-caseins (though butter by

it's nature should be low in casein). Jersey milk will have a higher

percentage of A2, so when the time comes for a challenge trial I plan

to make my own butter from claravale raw milk.

I'm sure Organic Pastures products are great - I'm just anti-plastic.

>

> Does Claravale carry raw butter? That actually was what I was going

> to buy from Organic Pastures....

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your responses. Question regarding infor below:

Would yeast be an allergy (IgE) type or a sensivity type and would

that include nutritional yeast? Sal

> >

> > Kombucha is likely high oxalate as well since it is fermented

tea, for

> > anyone with oxalate sensitivity.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh. I love this information! How do you clear the traffic jam?

I've heard some folks with lyme say they would not drink raw milk

because lyme can possibly be aquired by babies/toddlers(?) drinking

mom's milk if she is infected. Not heard of animals getting lyme that

way, but ???

I am reading info from Weston Price about the healthy bacteria in

milk killing off pathogens and am wondering if mom has proper healthy

bacteria if it will also kill off lyme pathogens...

I wonder is I am the sensitive on in our family... along with my son.

Have let him have gluten, dairy/cow, sweets this week because want

clear exposure before testing.. had these things out of diet for a

while... except occasional gluten,dairy free sweets... and he was

spinning and almost flapping in the grocery store today. Also more

emotional... eyes more red and tired, I think.

I obciously have no clue of the A1 gene thingy in cow milk and would

love to know more. I will look for that book.

We are kefering with live kefir grains now.. have goat milk kefiring

at the moment... I hope kefir grains are not a problem. Plan to make

water/juice kefir as well from other grains I've been offered.

Kombucha, as much as I love it, makes me feel very off and I'm

wondering what the culprit is.

Sal

> >

> > I did a search on phenols. Can you tell me what they can do

that's

> > not so good?

> >

> > Second question... sorry to have so many... do some of you all

who

> > can tolerate dairy comsume raw dairy? I have been on the verge of

> > purchasing raw milk and keep holding back for fear of lyme in the

> > milk... since lyme supposedly can be contracted in breast milk. I

can

> > see that the beneficial bacteria present in cows who are properly

fed

> > could make all the difference. Readin up on that at Weston Price

> > website, about lyme is not directly addressed.

> >

> > Thanks a ton. Sal

>

[Guest guest]

How do you tell if A-1 caesins are a problem? Sal

> >

> > Does Claravale carry raw butter? That actually was what I was

going

> > to buy from Organic Pastures....

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sal,

In our case, the sensitivity shows up on IgG ELISA test.

Limin

denalihike wrote:

Thank you all for your responses. Question regarding infor below:

Would yeast be an allergy (IgE) type or a sensivity type and would

that include nutritional yeast? Sal

> >

> > Kombucha is likely high oxalate as well since it is fermented

tea, for

> > anyone with oxalate sensitivity.

> >

> > Ingrid

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sal:

I have thought of this a lot. I believe that most autism has a root cause of lyme. I asked many with children with autism, ADHD, etc. and seen many postings on whether breast-feeding increases or lessons these problems. I have to give my vote as breast-feeding lessens the risk of autism, ADHD, etc. But, there are many who breast-fed who still have children with all these diagnoses. Plus, since I am seeing many reports that entire families are testing positive for lyme, whether showing symptoms or not, and also doctors saying that if a child with lyme-induced autism has lyme, siblings have it as well and just don't know it, then I must conclude that lack of breast-feeding is not keeping one from getting lyme.

I have not researched much on raw or regular cow's milk, but am thinking likely raw is better due to the natural immune-helping properties not being killed by pasteurization. I have heard an interesting story once of a Senator who drank colostrum after infecting the cow with lyme, and the antibodies to lyme and who knows what else was in the colostrum, cured him of his lyme. He did this treatment over a few days only. Ridding lyme in a few days sounds interesting.

Heidi N

Oh. I love this information! How do you clear the traffic jam? I've heard some folks with lyme say they would not drink raw milk because lyme can possibly be aquired by babies/toddlers(?) drinking mom's milk if she is infected. Not heard of animals getting lyme that way, but ???I am reading info from Weston Price about the healthy bacteria in milk killing off pathogens and am wondering if mom has proper healthy bacteria if it will also kill off lyme pathogens... I wonder is I am the sensitive on in our family... along with my son. Have let him have gluten, dairy/cow, sweets this week because want clear exposure before testing.. had these things out of diet for a while... except occasional gluten,dairy free sweets... and he was spinning and almost flapping in the grocery store today. Also more emotional... eyes more red and tired, I think. I obciously have no clue of the A1 gene thingy in cow milk and would love to know more. I will look for that book. We are kefering with live kefir grains now.. have goat milk kefiring at the moment... I hope kefir grains are not a problem. Plan to make water/juice kefir as well from other grains I've been offered. Kombucha, as much as I love it, makes me feel very off and I'm wondering what the culprit is.SalGet the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!

[Guest guest]

Yes - the natural bacterial killing properties of milk are lost in

pasteurization. If you want to try a fun science experiment at home,

get a couple of sterile petri dishes (without agar) and smear one with

pasteurized milk and one with raw milk. Do two separate bacterial

swabs (I like to use the inside of my garbage disposal as the source)

and run them through the milks. Cover and leave on the counter for a

day or so and see what you get...... ;-)

I'd be interested to know more about the lyme cow colostrum story if

you come across it again.

>

> Sal:

>

> I have thought of this a lot. I believe that most autism has a root

cause

> of lyme. I asked many with children with autism, ADHD, etc. and

seen many

> postings on whether breast-feeding increases or lessons these

problems. I have

> to give my vote as breast-feeding lessens the risk of autism, ADHD,

etc.

> But, there are many who breast-fed who still have children with all

these

> diagnoses. Plus, since I am seeing many reports that entire

families are testing

> positive for lyme, whether showing symptoms or not, and also

doctors saying

> that if a child with lyme-induced autism has lyme, siblings have it

as well and

> just don't know it, then I must conclude that lack of

breast-feeding is not

> keeping one from getting lyme.

>

> I have not researched much on raw or regular cow's milk, but am

thinking

> likely raw is better due to the natural immune-helping properties

not being

> killed by pasteurization. I have heard an interesting story once of

a Senator

> who drank colostrum after infecting the cow with lyme, and the

antibodies to

> lyme and who knows what else was in the colostrum, cured him of his

lyme. He

> did this treatment over a few days only. Ridding lyme in a few

days sounds

> interesting.

>

> Heidi N

[Guest guest]

Consume A1 milk products and run a urine peptide test. Available from

Great Plains Lab for $99. Needs a doctors signature.

>

>

> How do you tell if A-1 caesins are a problem? Sal

[Guest guest]

Oh. OK. I feel so dense at the moment. My daughter and I had an IgG.

My daughter was neg Beta-lactoglobulin and class two Alpha

lactalbumin. Is the the same thing you are talking about? Which is A1

and which is A2? She is also class 2 for caesin.I am the opposite.

Neg Alpha lactoglobulin and class 1 Beta and negative for casein.

Not sure even how much of a problem a class 1 and 2 are... ??? I am

so confused by this test. We tested positive for every food we eat

(and some we dont.. I tested every food I;ve ever eaten or have

thought to eat...) and for both of us... positive for everything

except meat and some fish... I somehow managed, to not be allergice

to olives and cantelope... strange.

Do you all put much stock in these tests? Do you see them as

allergies due to leaky gut or as the body confusing the proteins with

bacteria? Then how do you know the difference. What do they mean and

how do you address? We are leaving out level 3 and 4 and supposed to

be rotating all other foods becasue of presumed leaky gut. Hard to

rotate. I've taken out gluten and dairy for several weeks,,, then

added back in for a test... then plan to go back off gluten despite

test results and stay on dairy unless the IgA comes back positive,

but possibly the IgG is correct implicator?? Because of the strang

amouth of positives, even my doctor and nutritionist said this was a

strangly large amount of positives... I was hoping this test was a

dud. Have any of you had this experience with this test?

I read alot, and am hitting a huge learning curve with this list...

and I am so grateful for you all! I promise not to be asking so many

questions once I get up to speed. Ordering DVDs from the conferences

and excited they are available!!!

Sal

> > > >

> > > > Kombucha is likely high oxalate as well since it is fermented

> > tea, for

> > > > anyone with oxalate sensitivity.

> > > >

> > > > Ingrid

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Low phenol, low sulfur diet. Zero chemical exposure, especially

chlorine. Supplement with molybdenum, magnesium, selenium (careful

with that one) and manganese. If you want to get more into sulfation

and phenol research, there is a great paper in the Enzymes and Autism

yahoo group's files section. It's called Sulfur and PST or something

like that. Join that group to get access.

See my posting about bacteria and raw milk in the microscope thread.

If I could isolate live spirochetes from my son's blood I might be

able to do a test in raw and pasteurized milk mediums - just for fun.

In all my spare time..... :-)

I wouldn't re-introduce cows milk till you get a copy of Devil in the

Milk. Just my personal opinion. I've been doing a lot of research in

the last 6 months or so - milk is much more complicated than I'd imagined.

>

> Oh. I love this information! How do you clear the traffic jam?

>

> I've heard some folks with lyme say they would not drink raw milk

> because lyme can possibly be aquired by babies/toddlers(?) drinking

> mom's milk if she is infected. Not heard of animals getting lyme that

> way, but ???

>

> I am reading info from Weston Price about the healthy bacteria in

> milk killing off pathogens and am wondering if mom has proper healthy

> bacteria if it will also kill off lyme pathogens...

>

> I wonder is I am the sensitive on in our family... along with my son.

> Have let him have gluten, dairy/cow, sweets this week because want

> clear exposure before testing.. had these things out of diet for a

> while... except occasional gluten,dairy free sweets... and he was

> spinning and almost flapping in the grocery store today. Also more

> emotional... eyes more red and tired, I think.

>

> I obciously have no clue of the A1 gene thingy in cow milk and would

> love to know more. I will look for that book.

>

> We are kefering with live kefir grains now.. have goat milk kefiring

> at the moment... I hope kefir grains are not a problem. Plan to make

> water/juice kefir as well from other grains I've been offered.

> Kombucha, as much as I love it, makes me feel very off and I'm

> wondering what the culprit is.

>

> Sal

>

[Guest guest]

:

Here's a link on colostrum to cure lyme. I have seen other reports that describe the procedure as well.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Oct/ai_78900841/pg_3

Heidi NGet the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!

[Guest guest]

That's a gret experiment. I wonder if it would also work for

pasturized but kefired milk.... we will try that one for now. Reading

about raw milk on Weston Price site and I am close to sold. Sal

> >

> > Sal:

> >

> > I have thought of this a lot. I believe that most autism has a

root

> cause

> > of lyme. I asked many with children with autism, ADHD, etc. and

> seen many

> > postings on whether breast-feeding increases or lessons these

> problems. I have

> > to give my vote as breast-feeding lessens the risk of autism,

ADHD,

> etc.

> > But, there are many who breast-fed who still have children with

all

> these

> > diagnoses. Plus, since I am seeing many reports that entire

> families are testing

> > positive for lyme, whether showing symptoms or not, and also

> doctors saying

> > that if a child with lyme-induced autism has lyme, siblings have

it

> as well and

> > just don't know it, then I must conclude that lack of

> breast-feeding is not

> > keeping one from getting lyme.

> >

> > I have not researched much on raw or regular cow's milk, but am

> thinking

> > likely raw is better due to the natural immune-helping properties

> not being

> > killed by pasteurization. I have heard an interesting story once

of

> a Senator

> > who drank colostrum after infecting the cow with lyme, and the

> antibodies to

> > lyme and who knows what else was in the colostrum, cured him of

his

> lyme. He

> > did this treatment over a few days only. Ridding lyme in a few

> days sounds

> > interesting.

> >

> > Heidi N

>

[Guest guest]

Ahhh. Thank you!!

> >

> >

> > How do you tell if A-1 caesins are a problem? Sal

>

[Guest guest]

So I guess one question would be: does, cow, goat, sheep milk even

become " infected " with lyme as a human mother's possibly can...

(although we are not sure about that?)Seems yes to the cow since the

colostrum has the antibodies.

Then.. does mothers milk transfer the protective factors? (kids in

families where no nursing are not protected more than kids who

nursed?)

and then another question: does the milk from either transfer the

spirochetes without protection and under what conditions?

Does grassfed healthy even if " infected " with lyme bacteria cows for

example... provide a healthier product complete with antibodies

needed whereas a mother who is infected and does not have a good

healthy proper diet may not transfer protection?

I hope that makes sense. In a hurry and my brain feel ike it is on

fire today. Sal

>

> Sal:

>

> I have thought of this a lot. I believe that most autism has a

root cause

> of lyme. I asked many with children with autism, ADHD, etc. and

seen many

> postings on whether breast-feeding increases or lessons these

problems. I have

> to give my vote as breast-feeding lessens the risk of autism,

ADHD, etc.

> But, there are many who breast-fed who still have children with

all these

> diagnoses. Plus, since I am seeing many reports that entire

families are testing

> positive for lyme, whether showing symptoms or not, and also

doctors saying

> that if a child with lyme-induced autism has lyme, siblings have

it as well and

> just don't know it, then I must conclude that lack of breast-

feeding is not

> keeping one from getting lyme.

>

> I have not researched much on raw or regular cow's milk, but am

thinking

> likely raw is better due to the natural immune-helping properties

not being

> killed by pasteurization. I have heard an interesting story once

of a Senator

> who drank colostrum after infecting the cow with lyme, and the

antibodies to

> lyme and who knows what else was in the colostrum, cured him of

his lyme. He

> did this treatment over a few days only. Ridding lyme in a few

days sounds

> interesting.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

>

>

> Oh. I love this information! How do you clear the traffic jam?

>

> I've heard some folks with lyme say they would not drink raw milk

> because lyme can possibly be aquired by babies/toddlers(because

lyme

> mom's milk if she is infected. Not heard of animals getting lyme

that

> way, but ???

>

> I am reading info from Weston Price about the healthy bacteria in

> milk killing off pathogens and am wondering if mom has proper

healthy

> bacteria if it will also kill off lyme pathogens...

>

> I wonder is I am the sensitive on in our family... along with my

son.

> Have let him have gluten, dairy/cow, sweets this week because want

> clear exposure before testing.. had these things out of diet for a

> while... except occasional gluten,dairy free sweets... and he was

> spinning and almost flapping in the grocery store today. Also more

> emotional... eyes more red and tired, I think.

>

> I obciously have no clue of the A1 gene thingy in cow milk and

would

> love to know more. I will look for that book.

>

> We are kefering with live kefir grains now.. have goat milk

kefiring

> at the moment... I hope kefir grains are not a problem. Plan to

make

> water/juice kefir as well from other grains I've been offered.

> Kombucha, as much as I love it, makes me feel very off and I'm

> wondering what the culprit is.

>

> Sal

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sal:

Looks like you are interested in some research. Whenever I google, I almost always find great information, research, etc. Its all about getting the right key words in. At this point, we are no longer drinking milk because I can't trust it anymore, and we will not be drinking it when we are symptom-free. I have seen several reports where many believe that half the world is a lyme carrier. The difference is why does it take over in some and latent in others. But, being so many are theorized to have it, I think avoiding human breast-milk is just not going to do much, but I read that it is in human breast-milk. I read that colostrum is full of antibodies and that colostrum turns on VH1 immunity which allows for one to kill pathogens. Thus, those who do not get breast-fed are likely to struggle more in getting their immune system to re-set for the pathogens of this world. That could be the difference. I also hear that pitocin, used to induce labor, also delays this immune re-setting. Thus, I guess its just like vaccines. When you get them while sick or too many at once, your immune system gets over-burdening and may not recover. I imagine there are many factors, but its likely related to immune system being over-burdened, allowing the lyme to then take-over.

Sounds gloomy doesn't it, like we all at risk, and sooner or later the risk happens.

Heidi N

So I guess one question would be: does, cow, goat, sheep milk even become "infected" with lyme as a human mother's possibly can... (although we are not sure about that?)Seems yes to the cow since the colostrum has the antibodies.Then.. does mothers milk transfer the protective factors? (kids in families where no nursing are not protected more than kids who nursed?)and then another question: does the milk from either transfer the spirochetes without protection and under what conditions?Does grassfed healthy even if "infected" with lyme bacteria cows for example... provide a healthier product complete with antibodies needed whereas a mother who is infected and does not have a good healthy proper diet may not transfer protection?I hope that makes sense. In a hurry and my brain feel ike it is on fire today. SalGet the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!

[Guest guest]

Could our country's mass consumption of cow's milk be a contributing factor to

the rise in Lyme infections, and in turn autism rates?

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Wow -that was REALLY interesting. Thanks Heidi.

Gota get me a goat....... ;-)

>

> :

>

> Here's a link on colostrum to cure lyme. I have seen other reports

that

> describe the procedure as well.

>

>

_http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Oct/ai_78900841/pg_3_

>

(http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Oct/ai_78900841/pg_3)

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Google is my middle name...

And yes, Keyword, says it all! And time!

I thought you were drinking raw milk?

I've been reading so many good things about raw milk from grassfed

humanely raised cows and goats.

I love knowledge, but I hate this process at times. It makes me sick

to have to worry about so many things. I think the fact that some

people do not get sick is immunity and detox pathways/toxin load and

stress and imbalance and nutrition being on the top of the list. That

makes the most sense to me... when one figures out what the heck they

can eat with all these sensitivies... and why do we have them.. why a

phenol sensitivity or a sulfur sensitivity... faulty processing...

and is that genetic/culturally derived (or blood type derived) or set

up from nutritional neglect as our society is based on?

Sal

>

> Sal:

>

> Looks like you are interested in some research. Whenever I google,

I almost

> always find great information, research, etc. Its all about

getting the

> right key words in. At this point, we are no longer drinking milk

because I

> can't trust it anymore, and we will not be drinking it when we are

symptom-free.

> I have seen several reports where many believe that half the

world is a

> lyme carrier. The difference is why does it take over in some and

latent in

> others. But, being so many are theorized to have it, I think

avoiding human

> breast-milk is just not going to do much, but I read that it is in

human

> breast-milk. I read that colostrum is full of antibodies and that

colostrum turns

> on VH1 immunity which allows for one to kill pathogens. Thus,

those who do

> not get breast-fed are likely to struggle more in getting their

immune system

> to re-set for the pathogens of this world. That could be the

difference. I

> also hear that pitocin, used to induce labor, also delays this

immune

> re-setting. Thus, I guess its just like vaccines. When you get

them while sick or

> too many at once, your immune system gets over-burdening and may

not recover.

> I imagine there are many factors, but its likely related to immune

system

> being over-burdened, allowing the lyme to then take-over.

> Sounds gloomy doesn't it, like we all at risk, and sooner or later

the risk

> happens.

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> So I guess one question would be: does, cow, goat, sheep milk even

> become " infected " with lyme as a human mother's possibly can...

> (although we are not sure about that?)Seems yes to the cow since

the

> colostrum has the antibodies.

>

> Then.. does mothers milk transfer the protective factors? (kids in

> families where no nursing are not protected more than kids who

> nursed?)

>

> and then another question: does the milk from either transfer the

> spirochetes without protection and under what conditions?

>

> Does grassfed healthy even if " infected " with lyme bacteria cows

for

> example... provide a healthier product complete with antibodies

> needed whereas a mother who is infected and does not have a good

> healthy proper diet may not transfer protection?

>

> I hope that makes sense. In a hurry and my brain feel ike it is on

> fire today. Sal

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Does pasturization kill it? or protect it by not being high enough for

long enough to kill the lyme... or b wiping out all the good bacteria

and enzymes that might kill it if it survives pasturization?

Does raw complete with antibodies and good bacteria that can eat up

bugs like listeria protect or allow the lyme to infect us?

Dr. Ron Schmid claims raw milk helped him " cure " his lyme. That along

with fermented vegetables, probably grandulars... organ meats, good

oils (Weston Price). ???

Sal

>

> Could our country's mass consumption of cow's milk be a contributing

factor to the rise in Lyme infections, and in turn autism rates?

>

> Ingrid

>