Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 In message <e9que6+d9m6eGroups> you wrote: > Ed, I'm glad you posted that. I am a nursing mother of a son almost 10 > mos old now. I had heard conflicting reports as far as nursing mothers > are concerned. Pregnant women should not drink it, I've been told. So > based on this information, I should hold off on getting back into > kombucha until I've weaned my son? That makes me sad. > Barbara, It's all a matter of opinion! Of course, Ed is entitled to his opinion - there is no scientific study that shows that Kombucha is detrimental to either mother or baby. On the contrary! I read a Russian report some time ago which said that Kombucha helped the children and babies on one children's ward to recover from diarrhoea much quicker than a different group treated in the non-Kombucha way... Now that was an extreme case and Kombucha helped to deal with the pathogens in the gut superbly. My own personal experience of Kombucha during pregnancy and nursing is only positive. In fact, my youngest son had a a more Kombucha saturated mother than my other 5 children and his immune system is super duper! Kombucha does NOT take away the job of the immune system, but stimulates and undergirds it (unlike the antibiotics prescribed from the doctor). If you feel you want to continue to enjoy your Kombucha, do so. Kombucha is NOT a drug, but a nourishing food suitable for anyone. Once you know that you are fine drinking it and also established a good water drinking-habit (especially important when breast feeding!!) I would say that Kombucha not only doesn't pose a danger, but is good for you. BTW, I breastfed my youngest until he was three.... never had curdled milk ;-)) LOL! He is a strong 13-year-old now. Blessings, Margret:-) -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Minstrel@... <)))<>< http://www.therpc.f9.co.uk <)))<>< http://www.AnswersInGenesis.com http://www.lamblion.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're offended, there is only one answer: forgive and pray for the offender. Jesus did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Margret, Yes that is my opinion - and a professional licensed health care provider one. Yes, there are no studies - neither are there studies that KT is good for you. the Russian study you quote for a specific intervention. And that's what it would be good for in my opinion. But not every day for every person every time. I also did state in my opinion that I have heard from several mothers that they never experience any noticeable bad affects, such as in your experience. If you agree that KT stimulates the immune system than you should also know that a babies immune system has not fully developed yet so what is KT doing to the babies system. These are valid theories, and the consequences do not show up until years later. Comparing to early age vaccines altruism does not show up for years sometimes not till the teen age years - and yes, the AMA says that's all bull too - except for the thousands of mothers that have filed civil action. Yes, there are no studies for childhood immune system disorders for Kombucha much less for any prescribed drugs. In all I believe I gave a balanced opinion. and I thought I was making a minority report, I will try to make that more highlighted next time. I am very glad that kombucha has helped you and your family, it truly is a gift, as is your opinion. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. >>>>>>>>>>original message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3c. Re: Nursing Mother Posted by: " Margret Pegg " Minstrel@... Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:30 am (PDT) In message <e9que6+d9m6eGroups> you wrote: > Ed, I'm glad you posted that. I am a nursing mother of a son almost 10 > mos old now. I had heard conflicting reports as far as nursing mothers > are concerned. Pregnant women should not drink it, I've been told. So > based on this information, I should hold off on getting back into > kombucha until I've weaned my son? That makes me sad. > Barbara, It's all a matter of opinion! Of course, Ed is entitled to his opinion - there is no scientific study that shows that Kombucha is detrimental to either mother or baby. On the contrary! I read a Russian report some time ago which said that Kombucha helped the children and babies on one children's ward to recover from diarrhoea much quicker than a different group treated in the non-Kombucha way... Now that was an extreme case and Kombucha helped to deal with the pathogens in the gut superbly. My own personal experience of Kombucha during pregnancy and nursing is only positive. In fact, my youngest son had a a more Kombucha saturated mother than my other 5 children and his immune system is super duper! Kombucha does NOT take away the job of the immune system, but stimulates and undergirds it (unlike the antibiotics prescribed from the doctor). If you feel you want to continue to enjoy your Kombucha, do so. Kombucha is NOT a drug, but a nourishing food suitable for anyone. Once you know that you are fine drinking it and also established a good water drinking-habit (especially important when breast feeding!!) I would say that Kombucha not only doesn't pose a danger, but is good for you. BTW, I breastfed my youngest until he was three.... never had curdled milk ;-)) LOL! He is a strong 13-year-old now. Blessings, Margret:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Hmmm... 2006/7/22, Ed Kasper LAc : > If you agree that KT stimulates the immune system than you > should also know that a babies immune system has not fully > developed yet so what is KT doing to the babies system. > These are valid theories, and the consequences do not show > up until years later. Comparing to early age vaccines > altruism does not show up for years sometimes not till the > teen age years - and yes, the AMA says that's all bull too - > except for the thousands of mothers that have filed civil > action. > Yes, there are no studies for childhood immune system > disorders for Kombucha much less for any prescribed drugs. Also re: honey and botulism. If the mother eats honey, does she pass on whatever it is that causes botulism to her child via breastmilk? In my limited experience, I've never heard of that happening. I think there might be a difference between the mother drinking Kombucha, and giving it to the baby raw. The baby's immune system is dependant on the mother breastfeeding to help build it up, and I think what ever protection the mother might have to kombucha from doing any damage would be passed on to the baby. Think of it as something similar to what babies go through in Mexico. The mother eats lots and lots of chillis, and passes the capiscin on to her children through the breast milk. By the time they are weaned, they are capable of eating really hot chilis that I think most of the people on this list (myself included) might have some severe medical problems with. Just my € 0.02, although i've never breastfed a baby, and probably never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 - > 2006/7/22, Ed Kasper LAc : >. Comparing to early age vaccines > > altruism does not show up for years sometimes not till the > > teen age years - and yes, the AMA says that's all bull too - > > except for the thousands of mothers that have filed civil > > action. 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hi Ed, Did you mean AUTISM? ALTRUISM does not show up ever in many. Best wishes, neb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Some of you may wonder why this issue is so close to my heart. I will tell you that I was medically traumatized with wrongful, unnecessary surgery at 18 mos old and it has affected my entire life. So I am very sensitive to the issue of medicalization of normality (I had an outie belly button which they sewed up, a surgery that was done for a 30-year span before it was halted as destructive and unnecessary-- yeah, tell me about it). >2006/7/22, Ed Kasper LAc : > > If you agree that KT stimulates the immune system than you > > should also know that a babies immune system has not fully > > developed yet so what is KT doing to the babies system. helping the body to grow and have full health? (because the mother is getting optimal nutrition-- remember that the caffeine in KT is in very small amounts because of the large amount of water compared to tea, and, tea is known to be highly beneficial in itself.) > > These are valid theories, I'm not so sure >and the consequences do not show > > up until years later. Comparing to early age vaccines > > altruism does not show up for years sometimes not till the > > teen age years - and yes, the AMA says that's all bull too - > > except for the thousands of mothers that have filed civil > > action. " altruism " there is supposed to be " autism " ... so you're saying that kombucha could have similar results as mercury in vaccines and cause autism or some other horrible developmental problem? I just don't think so, and it seems like really reaching to make that kind of statement. I go back to fundamental truths: Kombucha has been being brewed by the human family for thousands of years. If it had negative effects the tribal healers would have noticed and it would have been stamped out long before science ever got a crack at it. Yaakov wrote: >Also re: honey and botulism. If the mother eats honey, does she pass >on whatever it is that causes botulism to her child via breastmilk? >In my limited experience, I've never heard of that happening. I think >there might be a difference between the mother drinking Kombucha, and >giving it to the baby raw. I believe that the mother can eat honey no problem. And, there's no botulism in KT (botulism is a bacteria). sheesh!! I repeat: there is no way that the mother getting optimal nutrition during pregnancy is bad for the baby. KT is a gift from Creator and gives each of us what we need. If we're so messed up by bad diet and poisoned environment and Western medicine that we're having drug interactions with KT, well, ok, maybe we shouldn't drink KT. Or, maybe we should give up the pharma addiction? But a natural process like pregnancy is not a disease or a medical issue, and I repeat that if KT had a negative impact on human reproduction, it would never have survived as a fermentation because it is dependent on humans for its continuation. Unlike today's world, in the old days and the cave ways, if something was found to harm a mother or child, they didn't calculate cost-benefit ratios and decide that some small amount was ok (and later find out it isn't, such as mercury in vaccines), they simply didn't engage in a given practice (I'm talking tribal cultures, not city cultures like Rome where they put lead on their faces as a cosmetic and couldn't figure out why they were getting stupid). Anyone who doubts the human capacity for observation of pattern and our health and healing awareness needs to research cave medicine. As I mentioned previously, Google trephination and it will blow your mind. What I am primarily objecting to is the medicalization of kombucha. As if we needed scientific studies of a food that has been being made by human cultures all over the planet for thousands of years in order to trust that it is good food. Licensed professionals may need those studies, but regular ol' folks don't need to wait. Another case of science trying to catch up with what is already known. Kind of like science now " proving " that all energy and matter is One-- yes it is, and the oldest texts and traditions tell us that is so. I see this as an area of disconnect between traditional healing and industrial medicine, and traditional healing is the one I'm betting on for the long haul. If there's any haul at all. --V ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Yaakov, just to clarify. Raw (versus cooked) honey is almost always preferred for its health benefits. Honey and Vinegar is a traditional folk remedy enjoyed in many cultures. KT and honey is a favorite combination. However, __Raw honey__ may be contaminated with microorganism that normally presents no problems for healthy individuals. However, in the case of immune compromised people, or infants - those without an adequately developed or newly developing system, may be at risk. In those cases cooked honey/KT would be advised,. For further clarification see " Infant botulism' first recognized in 1976. This type of botulism is caused by the ingestion of C. botulinum spores which colonize and produce toxin in the intestinal tract of infants (intestinal toxemia botulism). Of the various potential environmental sources such as soil, cistern water, dust and foods, honey is the one dietary reservoir of C. botulinum The neurotoxin is heat labile and can be destroyed if heated at 80°C (176 Fahrenheit) for 10 minutes or longer. live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac. A professional kombuchaist > > Hmmm... > > 2006/7/22, Ed Kasper LAc : > > If you agree that KT stimulates the immune system than you > > should also know that a babies immune system has not fully > > developed yet so what is KT doing to the babies system. > > These are valid theories, and the consequences do not show > > up until years later. Comparing to early age vaccines > > altruism does not show up for years sometimes not till the > > teen age years - and yes, the AMA says that's all bull too - > > except for the thousands of mothers that have filed civil > > action. > > Yes, there are no studies for childhood immune system > > disorders for Kombucha much less for any prescribed drugs. > > Also re: honey and botulism. If the mother eats honey, does she pass > on whatever it is that causes botulism to her child via breastmilk? > In my limited experience, I've never heard of that happening. I think > there might be a difference between the mother drinking Kombucha, and > giving it to the baby raw. The baby's immune system is dependant on > the mother breastfeeding to help build it up, and I think what ever > protection the mother might have to kombucha from doing any damage > would be passed on to the baby. Think of it as something similar to > what babies go through in Mexico. The mother eats lots and lots of > chillis, and passes the capiscin on to her children through the breast > milk. By the time they are weaned, they are capable of eating really > hot chilis that I think most of the people on this list (myself > included) might have some severe medical problems with. > > Just my € 0.02, although i've never breastfed a baby, and probably never will. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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