Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 I joined the spouse one today. I am sure it will be some help. I am not sure that I can keep up with two groups, but am giving it a try. Myrna New Member I am a new member. My husband is 70 and has Alzheimer's or LBD...who knows which???? I probably just want to listen and read for a little while. Thanks. Myrna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Welcome Myrna == I " diagnosed " my dad after reading experiences on the lewybodyjournal.com website. Rather than reading the main journal -- which is very long and in depth, I recommend reading the " other " stories. They are shorter and give you a variety of peoples experiences w/ their loved ones. I saw my Dad and our family over and over and over again in those stories. It was so helpful to finally understand what was going on. Blessings, Lori > Welcome Myrna, > > If you go to the LBD page to get to caring spouses group, do stop and read lots of the links and things. You can also go back and read old messages if you go to the Yahoo site. > > Sorry you have to be here. You can request a brochure and also read the news letter (1-3) and get some good insight. I do believe if you find an appropiate Nero, you should be able to get a proper diagnosis. The brochure will help you decide also and help you to determine what is going on. As you will read from the experience of many here, been there, done that. It will help you anticipate what is coming and what you might be able to avoid. > > Keep reading and let us know you are there and what is happening. Someone else has always been where you are. > > Let people know where you are located so you might find others who are in your area and can be a real support. We are having our first caregivers meeting in Florida in Sepember and I am sure Carol will be updating everyone soon again. We are hoping to have more support groups going in the near future. > > Donna R > > New Member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Welcome Phyllis --- A suggestion for the walking -- get an alarm system. It will alert you she is getting up -- and the alarm may become a reminder to her that she's not supposed to walk. My Dad had one in the hospital when his pneumonia caused severe dilarium (sp). It really helped. Lori In LBDcaregivers , " phyllis_40206 " <phyllis_40206@y...> wrote: > OMG - my sister found this site last night and forwarded it to me > this morning. i have been reading messages on and off all day. i > thought i had sent this before, but it didn't get sent somehow. > > my mom was dx 2-1/2 years ago and has been living with me since. i > have been her major caregiver and i am absolutely thrilled to find > this site. > > i have already learned alot and it is sooooo nice to know that there > are others out there going through the same things; coherent when > others around; the spells; the disorientation and being nasty.... > > mom has gone down so drastically in the last month that we have > called in hospice and goten a hospital bed. hospice has been a god > sent. just to know that i call call someone during the night and get > some answer regarding medicine, etc. > > we are currently trying our best to inforce the wheelchair only > policy. mom forgets that she can't walk and sometimes just gets up > and takes off. she ends up having to call me, and 9 out of 10 times > ends up having a " spell " . > > i don't want to make mom feel like she is a burden or that we don't > want her here.....we will keep her as long as we are able.....but i > cannot keep lifting her off the floor. she has lost so much weight > that she only weighs 110, however, as you all know - when she is out > she is dead weight and it is beginnning to have an adverse effect on > my back. > > i have sent an e-mail regarding namenda. i swear sometimes i think > the doctors don't know what is what. i guess that is why they call > it practicing. our nuerologist kept insisting that all the " spells " > were a result of a drop in blood pressure and had mom on so many meds > to raise her bp that it was going up to 240 + - and we have since > decided that it is not the bp alone causing the seizures. > > after we called in hospice, our neurologist called mom and told her > that she was concerned about the care she was being given and the > treatment she was receiving. i was not home at the time she called > and spoke with her later. i was amazed that she would question the > care my sister and i are giving mom - amazingly enough she can > remember that and is now questioning so many things i do - things > that we have been doing the same way for so long. we have taken her > off all the meds for bp and she is a bit better. not too much, > however, we will take any little bit of improvement. > > needless to say, the dr. will no longer treat mom. that is fine with > us as she is associated with a learning hospital and we think she > would keep mom alive as long as she could regardless of > anything....just so that she can record it somewhere. > > i love my mother very much, however, i don't want her to be kept > alive just to be kept alive. she is so weak, has no muscles left, is > so stiff and in pain - oh yes, the dr. said this is a painless > disease and the concept of keeping her comfortable until she dies doe > not exist! - and she was a vital, energetic person who was always the > first one to go somewhere or party! now she is awake maybe 4 hours a > day and spends most of her time in bed and confused. this is not the > quality of life mom wants and she has said so in lucid moments. > > anyway, enuf' rambling. i am sure i will be posting messages and > seeking advice quite often. i am so relieved to find other people > who are living the same life as i am. the dr. saw her once every 6-8 > months and did not see all that we have. > phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 what a great idea. i find that i can't relax at all - day or night - since i never know when she is going to be jumping up. where do you get these alarms, does anyone know? that would be wonderful as mom can't remember she can't walk.......sounds perfect. thanks too much! ladpr6 wrote:Welcome Phyllis --- A suggestion for the walking -- get an alarm system. It will alert you she is getting up -- and the alarm may become a reminder to her that she's not supposed to walk. My Dad had one in the hospital when his pneumonia caused severe dilarium (sp). It really helped. Lori In LBDcaregivers , " phyllis_40206 " <phyllis_40206@y...> wrote: > OMG - my sister found this site last night and forwarded it to me > this morning. i have been reading messages on and off all day. i > thought i had sent this before, but it didn't get sent somehow. > > my mom was dx 2-1/2 years ago and has been living with me since. i > have been her major caregiver and i am absolutely thrilled to find > this site. > > i have already learned alot and it is sooooo nice to know that there > are others out there going through the same things; coherent when > others around; the spells; the disorientation and being nasty.... > > mom has gone down so drastically in the last month that we have > called in hospice and goten a hospital bed. hospice has been a god > sent. just to know that i call call someone during the night and get > some answer regarding medicine, etc. > > we are currently trying our best to inforce the wheelchair only > policy. mom forgets that she can't walk and sometimes just gets up > and takes off. she ends up having to call me, and 9 out of 10 times > ends up having a " spell " . > > i don't want to make mom feel like she is a burden or that we don't > want her here.....we will keep her as long as we are able.....but i > cannot keep lifting her off the floor. she has lost so much weight > that she only weighs 110, however, as you all know - when she is out > she is dead weight and it is beginnning to have an adverse effect on > my back. > > i have sent an e-mail regarding namenda. i swear sometimes i think > the doctors don't know what is what. i guess that is why they call > it practicing. our nuerologist kept insisting that all the " spells " > were a result of a drop in blood pressure and had mom on so many meds > to raise her bp that it was going up to 240 + - and we have since > decided that it is not the bp alone causing the seizures. > > after we called in hospice, our neurologist called mom and told her > that she was concerned about the care she was being given and the > treatment she was receiving. i was not home at the time she called > and spoke with her later. i was amazed that she would question the > care my sister and i are giving mom - amazingly enough she can > remember that and is now questioning so many things i do - things > that we have been doing the same way for so long. we have taken her > off all the meds for bp and she is a bit better. not too much, > however, we will take any little bit of improvement. > > needless to say, the dr. will no longer treat mom. that is fine with > us as she is associated with a learning hospital and we think she > would keep mom alive as long as she could regardless of > anything....just so that she can record it somewhere. > > i love my mother very much, however, i don't want her to be kept > alive just to be kept alive. she is so weak, has no muscles left, is > so stiff and in pain - oh yes, the dr. said this is a painless > disease and the concept of keeping her comfortable until she dies doe > not exist! - and she was a vital, energetic person who was always the > first one to go somewhere or party! now she is awake maybe 4 hours a > day and spends most of her time in bed and confused. this is not the > quality of life mom wants and she has said so in lucid moments. > > anyway, enuf' rambling. i am sure i will be posting messages and > seeking advice quite often. i am so relieved to find other people > who are living the same life as i am. the dr. saw her once every 6-8 > months and did not see all that we have. > phyllis Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Medical supply stores should sell these alarms. ALso places on line. Try AgelessDesign.org or .com. Also try searches on " aids for seniors " and variations of that. THe one in the hospital was a strip Dad layed/sat on that rang when he tried to get up. Good luck, Lori > > OMG - my sister found this site last night and forwarded it to me > > this morning. i have been reading messages on and off all day. > i > > thought i had sent this before, but it didn't get sent somehow. > > > > my mom was dx 2-1/2 years ago and has been living with me since. > i > > have been her major caregiver and i am absolutely thrilled to find > > this site. > > > > i have already learned alot and it is sooooo nice to know that > there > > are others out there going through the same things; coherent when > > others around; the spells; the disorientation and being nasty.... > > > > mom has gone down so drastically in the last month that we have > > called in hospice and goten a hospital bed. hospice has been a > god > > sent. just to know that i call call someone during the night and > get > > some answer regarding medicine, etc. > > > > we are currently trying our best to inforce the wheelchair only > > policy. mom forgets that she can't walk and sometimes just gets > up > > and takes off. she ends up having to call me, and 9 out of 10 > times > > ends up having a " spell " . > > > > i don't want to make mom feel like she is a burden or that we > don't > > want her here.....we will keep her as long as we are able.....but > i > > cannot keep lifting her off the floor. she has lost so much > weight > > that she only weighs 110, however, as you all know - when she is > out > > she is dead weight and it is beginnning to have an adverse effect > on > > my back. > > > > i have sent an e-mail regarding namenda. i swear sometimes i > think > > the doctors don't know what is what. i guess that is why they > call > > it practicing. our nuerologist kept insisting that all > the " spells " > > were a result of a drop in blood pressure and had mom on so many > meds > > to raise her bp that it was going up to 240 + - and we have since > > decided that it is not the bp alone causing the seizures. > > > > after we called in hospice, our neurologist called mom and told > her > > that she was concerned about the care she was being given and the > > treatment she was receiving. i was not home at the time she > called > > and spoke with her later. i was amazed that she would question > the > > care my sister and i are giving mom - amazingly enough she can > > remember that and is now questioning so many things i do - things > > that we have been doing the same way for so long. we have taken > her > > off all the meds for bp and she is a bit better. not too much, > > however, we will take any little bit of improvement. > > > > needless to say, the dr. will no longer treat mom. that is fine > with > > us as she is associated with a learning hospital and we think she > > would keep mom alive as long as she could regardless of > > anything....just so that she can record it somewhere. > > > > i love my mother very much, however, i don't want her to be kept > > alive just to be kept alive. she is so weak, has no muscles left, > is > > so stiff and in pain - oh yes, the dr. said this is a painless > > disease and the concept of keeping her comfortable until she dies > doe > > not exist! - and she was a vital, energetic person who was always > the > > first one to go somewhere or party! now she is awake maybe 4 > hours a > > day and spends most of her time in bed and confused. this is not > the > > quality of life mom wants and she has said so in lucid moments. > > > > anyway, enuf' rambling. i am sure i will be posting messages and > > seeking advice quite often. i am so relieved to find other people > > who are living the same life as i am. the dr. saw her once every > 6-8 > > months and did not see all that we have. > > phyllis > > > > > Welcome to LBDcaregivers. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I don't understand how an MRI scan can diagnose that. My doctor tells me that the brain scans on my husband are negative, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have AD or LBD, because brain scans are not definitive. Myrna " but an MRI scan performed in May of this year finally gave us the diagnosis of probable LBD. " urbanmisfit9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 tears are running down my face. I, too, am so very close with my dad and this poem says it all. Thank you so much for sharing it with me and everyone else. I have only been part of this group for 4 days and when I get to work each morning, this is the first thing I check. It helps me get through the day. I pray for you and your family. Laurie South Bend, IN urbanmisfit9 wrote: I came across this mailing group while searching for information on LBD. The reason I was looking for information is because my father was diagnosed with dementia almost three years ago when he was just 53-years-old! At first he was misdiagnosed with Alzheimers disease and then again with hydrocephalus, but an MRI scan performed in May of this year finally gave us the diagnosis of probable LBD. Sadly my father's decline has been swift, he has't had the disease three years yet, but he is already confined to a specially adapted hospital bed at home. He can't stand let alone walk, is barely verbal and often has trouble identifying us. Two nurses call to my parents house four times a day to assist my mom with looking after my dad. I can honestly say that if you were to ever have asked me at any point in my life who my hero is I would repliy in a heartbeat " my dad " . All four of us cherish our father beyond words, so what we are being forced to deal with right now is a living hell. I've written several poems to my father one of which I've included below, to express my love and admiration for this wonderful man. FATHER The echo of your voice is always with me On occasions you've spoke inside my head I've heard you narrate my thoughts at times When I've mentally recited things you've said I'm clinging to the hope you'll be just fine My pillow bears the stains of desperate tears I'm still struggling to accept this situation To lose you is one of my greatest fears I'm trying real hard to just be strong Though I'm sure you understand the sheer strain Bravado has now become so fundamental To conceal the anguish coursing through each vein I assumed that you'd be here for most my life Pictured your joy at watching me succeed But assumption can often lead to heartache My misjudgement has caused my heart to bleed It's like standing on the outside looking in We know that there is nothing we can do The hand of fate has dealt a bitter blow Made the hand of life let slowly go of you Your dreams have all faded into blackness I never hear you singing like before The reality of what we're all enduring Has completely left me incensed to the core My memories are pre-eminent recollections Of all the precious moments we have had No matter what our precarious future holds You'll remain my friend, my hero...my dad Copyright ©2005 Kane Welcome to LBDcaregivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 An MRI can reveal brain atrophy..in my fathers case it was very noticeable on his MRI...this was brought on by excessive alcoholism and appeared in the frontal lobe region (the area responsible for behaviors)...this explained A LOT of dad's increasingly verbally/physically aggressive/terrifying behaviours... of course dad denied he was sick at all and the was convinced doctors/mother/I were all crazy....sadly part of the LBD can be extreme paranoia... --- urbanmisfit9 wrote: > > > I don't understand how an MRI scan can diagnose > that. My doctor > tells me that the brain scans on my husband are > negative, but that > doesn't mean he doesn't have AD or LBD, because > brain scans are not > definitive. Myrna > > " but an MRI scan performed in May > > of this year finally gave us the diagnosis of > probable > LBD. " urbanmisfit9 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Hence the fact that we were told and I did state in > the > message 'probable LBD!' There is no definate test > for LBD it can only > be truly diagnosed through an autopsy > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Hi and welcome to the group. Your mom is probably in shock and angry as hell. Who among us would want to face up to the facts of LBD. If I were in your shoes I would let her blow off some steam. Its going to be hard for you but please know that our LO's tend to take out their frustration with their main caregiver - lucky you. This too shall pass. I learned early on to just roll with this disease and just be wherever my mother was at. If she rambled or hallucinated I would just go with it because trying to reason with someone with LBD is tiring - you can use your energy on something else. The next few weeks are going to be rough but eventually you and mom will be able to pace yourselves and live with your new normal. When you are able, read some posts and check out the files section for up to date information. Hang in there and sending you strength. Courage Duvall wrote: > Hi, > > My name is , and I just received the diagnosis of my Mom's LBD > last Wed. We knew something was wrong, and suspected Alzheimers, but > I had never heard of LBD. At this point, Mom is crying, yelling at me > about the diagnosis, calling herself an " idiot, " and " nuts, " and > saying that she was crucified by the doctors. She's upset, and > upsetting me terribly. She blames me for making and taking her to the > doctor's appointments. Does anyone have any ideas on how to deal with > this? She wants to sue everybody involved, and swears up and down > that she doesn't have memory problems. Mom will be 81 this year, and > still gets around fairly well. We thought her memory issues might be > tied to a couple of falls she took in the last few years, but the > doctors said no. > > Anyways, any ideas you may have would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank you, > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 , i am soo sorry that you ahve the uglies of LBD right now. they are so hard to deal with. if you can try to distract your mom into thinking about something else, in other words change the subject, otherwise agree with it and maybe pretend to call a lawyer to make an appointment for say one month out, and tell her mom i have an appt with a lawyer we will talke to him;/her about suing the doc. play along maybe she will calm down then, someimtes you have to do both inordre for them to calm down. my dad has terrifying night mares that we hafve to console him thru and sometimes it is hard, as i am the bad guy in his dreams and i have to assure him that i m not the bad guy but someone hwo wants to help him. good luck hugs sharon m Date: 2005/09/11 Sun PM 09:34:52 EDT To: LBDcaregivers Subject: New member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I know I'm replying to an older post, but I'm trying to go through some of my unread mail. The MRI probably was looking for strokes. My dad had a cat-scan to rule out strokes or a brain tumor. When neither were found, LBD was dx'd as the reason for hallucinations. Last Friday he had an EEG, a brain waves test. I could see the computer screen from where I was sitting. There sure was a lot of " mess " on the screen whenever he had a hallucinogenic episode. I think the test was looking for seizure activity. Has anyone else's lo had an EEG? The doc hasn't told me the results yet. _____ From: LBDcaregivers [mailto:LBDcaregivers ] On Behalf Of Myrna Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:49 AM To: LBDcaregivers Subject: Re: New member I don't understand how an MRI scan can diagnose that. My doctor tells me that the brain scans on my husband are negative, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have AD or LBD, because brain scans are not definitive. Myrna " but an MRI scan performed in May of this year finally gave us the diagnosis of probable LBD. " urbanmisfit9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hello and welcome to the group! It's an exciting time to find this place because there have been developments lately for possibly studying this condition which is what we need so badly! I am 35 and have had this since 10. I'll tell you, my fantasy is the same as yours!! I'd love to live in a secluded place (beautiful of course) where only the selected would be there! LOL. Like you said though, I'd probably be alone. However, if I had that kind of money I'd find a cure for this stupid condition and then we wouldn't need an island! Anyhow, welcome and I hope you will find some ideas here that can help you out in your daily battle! Darlene > > hello everyone- > i am a new member, just joined a couple days ago. I can't believe > that a group like this actually exists, and that treatment options > are being explored (even at the level of the NIH). > I'm a 31 y/o nurse living in Billings, Montana. I have been > sensitive to noises for.. i don't know... 15 or 16 years? Gum > chewing/popping is the worst for me, as is eating loudly and teeth > scraping on silverware. i haven't been able to enjoy going to a movie > in years b/c of the popcorn. i actually fantasize about winning the > power ball and buying my own island- no popcorn, no gum, and people > have to pass an " eating test " before being allowed to live on my > island. sadly, i'd probably end up being the only one living > there! (oh- and keyboard typing) > i'm tired of thinking i'm the following: crazy, mean, hateful, a > loner, unable to socialize, unfit for marriage. its depressing. the > second i hear sounds i can feel my blood pressure/pulse rate/stress > level rise dramatically and i know this is having a profound effect > on my health. i've tried xanax and zoloft but to no avail, and i > can't be taking xanax around the clock for the rest of my life b/c i > sure don't want to add an addiction on right now. > > so hello- and i can honestly say on this Thanksgiving, i am > infinitely grateful that a group like this exists. > - (p.s.- please let me know if i am posting things in the wrong > place, etc) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi , Welcome to the group. It's great that you found us. I loved reading about your dream of winning Powerball, I completely relate to that - oh for some relief from this horrible 4S thing. My dream is just to be able to find a cure or more realistically, a treatment that works. I really want nothing more than to be able feel calm when other people go about doing perfectly normal things, like eating or breathing near to me. I am really encouraged by the NIH interest, and even though I live in Sydney, I've made an application to their study! I'd do an awful lot to find a solution. I've had this since I was 11 and I'm now 49. I can still remember days before I had 4S. It felt so blissful. This group is full of suggestions of things to try so I hope you find some support and inspiration here. It is also seems to be the best place to get the latest info on research interests etc. So stay tuned in here. Best wishes Ingrid. > > hello everyone- > i am a new member, just joined a couple days ago. I can't believe > that a group like this actually exists, and that treatment options > are being explored (even at the level of the NIH). > I'm a 31 y/o nurse living in Billings, Montana. I have been > sensitive to noises for.. i don't know... 15 or 16 years? Gum > chewing/popping is the worst for me, as is eating loudly and teeth > scraping on silverware. i haven't been able to enjoy going to a movie > in years b/c of the popcorn. i actually fantasize about winning the > power ball and buying my own island- no popcorn, no gum, and people > have to pass an " eating test " before being allowed to live on my > island. sadly, i'd probably end up being the only one living > there! (oh- and keyboard typing) > i'm tired of thinking i'm the following: crazy, mean, hateful, a > loner, unable to socialize, unfit for marriage. its depressing. the > second i hear sounds i can feel my blood pressure/pulse rate/stress > level rise dramatically and i know this is having a profound effect > on my health. i've tried xanax and zoloft but to no avail, and i > can't be taking xanax around the clock for the rest of my life b/c i > sure don't want to add an addiction on right now. > > so hello- and i can honestly say on this Thanksgiving, i am > infinitely grateful that a group like this exists. > - (p.s.- please let me know if i am posting things in the wrong > place, etc) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 , Welcome to our group. I'm fairly close to you, I'm in western ND, north of Williston. Anyways, glad you found us. I'm not always able to be on here, but mostly I'm just relieved that this is not something just in my mind. Well, got heaps to do. Oh and everyone, for some weird reason, I had a fantastic Thanksgiving without any outbreaks. Today...well...it is a different day! Happy Friday! Vicki To: Soundsensitivity Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:28:06 PMSubject: Re: new member Hi ,Welcome to the group. It's great that you found us. I loved reading about your dream of winning Powerball, I completely relate to that - oh for some relief from this horrible 4S thing. My dream is just to be able to find a cure or more realistically, a treatment that works. I really want nothing more than to be able feel calm when other people go about doing perfectly normal things, like eating or breathing near to me. I am really encouraged by the NIH interest, and even though I live in Sydney, I've made an application to their study! I'd do an awful lot to find a solution.I've had this since I was 11 and I'm now 49. I can still remember days before I had 4S. It felt so blissful. This group is full of suggestions of things to try so I hope you find some support and inspiration here. It is also seems to be the best place to get the latest info on research interests etc. So stay tuned in here.Best wishesIngrid.>> hello everyone-> i am a new member, just joined a couple days ago. I can't believe > that a group like this actually exists, and that treatment options > are being explored (even at the level of the NIH). > I'm a 31 y/o nurse living in Billings, Montana. I have been > sensitive to noises for.. i don't know... 15 or 16 years? Gum > chewing/popping is the worst for me, as is eating loudly and teeth > scraping on silverware. i haven't been able to enjoy going to a movie > in years b/c of the popcorn. i actually fantasize about winning the > power ball and buying my own island- no popcorn, no gum, and people > have to pass an "eating test" before being allowed to live on my > island. sadly, i'd probably end up being the only one living > there! (oh- and keyboard typing)> i'm tired of thinking i'm the following: crazy, mean, hateful, a > loner, unable to socialize, unfit for marriage. its depressing. the > second i hear sounds i can feel my blood pressure/pulse rate/stress > level rise dramatically and i know this is having a profound effect > on my health. i've tried xanax and zoloft but to no avail, and i > can't be taking xanax around the clock for the rest of my life b/c i > sure don't want to add an addiction on right now. > > so hello- and i can honestly say on this Thanksgiving, i am > infinitely grateful that a group like this exists.> - (p.s.- please let me know if i am posting things in the wrong > place, etc)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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