Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 - > > > >Hi to everyone nad Happy New Year, > Had to say a few words on " supplements " .As a reminder my husband was > diagnosed with cirrhosis in September(last stage-ascites)so we are > dealing with his condition for four months. > Now i have to tell you a story: > 1986- My sister's father in law was chronic alchocolic and was > diagnosed with cirrhosis,decompensated,couldn't manage ascites anymore > so they were draining it twice a week,he spent a lot of time in > hospital.Finally he was realeased to go home and " die " .Three months > was life expectancy. > For a hundreds of years a " non denatured liquid whey " was famous for > it's ability to regenerate a liver.So doctor said go home and try it > and also a yarrow tea.He was over 50 years old at the time.His diet > was mostly liquid whey,whole grain bread and fresh made cheese.Which > he did for a whole year(surprise- he didn't died after three months). > Don't have to say that he is still alive,his wife died three years > ago???The most interesting part is coming-he stopped drinking only for > that year that he was on a diet???My sister told me that he was later > even drinking " rubbing alcohol " (when he had no other).What > happened?Seems that he made himself new liver???I want you take this > with caution-I'm just telling the story all we are different so what > worked for him doesn't mean that will work for all. > Now,let me tell you about my husband-he started drinking liquid whey > in October(my kitchen is cheese plant)and we found raw milk in > York,PA(it's illegal in Virginia).So far my husband is doing > fine,working 10 hours shifts as an electrician(doesn't sit in office). > Most remarkable change was in his AFP tumor markers-they dropped from > 124 to 13 and last was only 10!!!His proteins were high in September > and came into normal(his last lab was in Nonvember),alkaline > phosphates are normal also(they were really high before).His meld > score came from 19 to 18,highest billirubin was 4.2 and last was > 3.6.Albumin is still low and his ferritin levels hig also.His serum > iron is now normal and saturated iron is little down from > previous.Beside a liquid whey my husband eat healthy-raw juices > daily,vegetables,a lot of fruit also.He has a very good appetite,no > ascites(he is on low sodium diet,two bowels a day(no laxatives) and > working without any problems which is very important. > Next labs will be in a next couple of weeks so will see.It might be > worse-we don't know.But at least it keeps his energy levels at this > transition time before transplant.My husband has hepatitis C(it's > still there so he still has underlying cause)and also high > ferritin.Alcohol caused cirrhosis should be easier(in my opinion)to > deal with.You can check about liquid whey and it's abilities.I'm > against any of the products on market as herbal supplements(with any > of these other chemicals are involved).Liquid whey is just natural > supplement made from raw milk. > Take care /Elvira > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Most states incorporate it with vehicle registration. I think sates can go a step further and incorporate it with drivers education or some other scholastic activity. The problem with doing it with vehicle registration is that sometimes, registration is automatic or done on the internet and folks aren't given the option to become a donor or forget how to change their options. And how do they tie in vehicle registration with the medical community? Maybe the push should be at an emergency room waiting room? I know how that sounds, but seriously, ever emergency room waiting area I've been in has a few seats, lot's of people and a tv and security guard. The only thing everyone does there is wait. So why not talk or educate them? Anyway... Of course this is a very sensitive subject, and most won't address it. But the need is there. And everyone needs to understand the importance to give. I also think it's important to have a living will. So, family members know your wishes and can have your wishes expressed when the time comes. Always, Love & Peace, MaC > > That is a good idea. I don't know if all states do this, but > where we live they ask on their registration forms, for there > vehicles, for 1 dollar to be donated to make others aware of > organ donation. > > I want to state again something that many people do not > know....in the United States, you can sign an organ donor > card, but unless your immediate family agrees for the organ > to be taken, it may not be. Your family will have the last > say...so if you truly " want' to be sure your organ is used > for transplant, then your family has to know it. Also, > another thing to think about is when they will take the > organ. Some organs are taken when you are considered brain > dead and you may be hooked to machines that keep your body > processing like it is alive or the organ can be taken when > your heart stops beating. They do many tests and it takes > two doctors to verify, that are not in any way connected to > the transplant itself, to declare you brain dead. The tests they > do is to see if there is any electrical brain activity and > other things. The problem with taking the organ after the > heart stops beating is that the organ may become damage > from lack of nutrients and oxygen. It isn't as good to > transplant, may go into rejection faster in the recipent, > and may not be used unless transplanted in a shorter amount > of alotted time. > > These are just a few things to consider. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I most certainly will! It makes me upset as well how much control insurance companies have or the medical care of patients and hospitals. I wish the never ending feuding and name calling in Congress would stop and that they would sit down and actually fix problems that have been effecting Americans for so long. Health Care has been debated since the 40's I think. Try to stand your ground if you can. I'll say a good word tonight for you and your husband. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I'm here...I've been really upset of late...I was told I need an operation or maybe two and now I may have to give up my insurance I have in order for my husband to keep his since this insurance he was suppose to go with his doctors won't accept it. I don't want to go into details, but please keep us in your prayers that things work out that this won't happen to us. Thanks... --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 You two are soooo uncanny!!!! I spent all morning in the e.r. at UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER and I'm just fuming mad!!!! I told you MaC that i'd go get checked out.My belly has become swollen in the last four days and it's really uncomfortable, and my pain is just unbearable,and wouldnt you know it, they said to follow up with the hep clinic.No lasix,no ultrasound to confirm acities, I even ran into my hepatoligist in the hall and he jokingly asked if they had found an alien baby in my abdomen! The guy is just wierd. I'm so frustrated.It's getting harder to take this serious since no one else is . A smoke, a beer, and some bbq potato chips are sounding mighty good about now. Mac Imagine being sent to a hospital and a doctor comes in, who you never met before, and after you are there awhile, about a half an hour, the professional doctor comes in and asks this intern where a certain organ is located and he gives a completely wrong answer and he is an intern ready to become a doctor. This happened to me. I knew more than he did. That is frightening. .. so the answer is YES, I do want to know more about their required knowledge. How this joker made it as far as he did is scary. If he is told to operate on a uterus, you might end up losing a kidney. ( still smiling??) <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 That really has me surprised. When I took my wife to the ER for abdominal swelling, they admitted her and treated her ascites then released her. For your doctor to make that comment is completely unprofessional and inappropriate. I would contact the hospital's patient advocate or administrator and vent my frustration. It almost sounds like, from your posts, that they are just going through the motions and no one is advocating your care. If you haven't been doing so, now is the time to really learn about your disease and when you are at the hospital demand they answer your questions. Remember you are the patient and you have rights. What did they determine at the ER? And, what was the reason for discharge? MaC Bob Aragon wrote: You two are soooo uncanny!!!! I spent all morning in the e.r. at UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER and I'm just fuming mad!!!! I told you MaC that i'd go get checked out.My belly has become swollen in the last four days and it's really uncomfortable, and my pain is just unbearable,and wouldnt you know it, they said to follow up with the hep clinic.No lasix,no ultrasound to confirm acities, I even ran into my hepatoligist in the hall and he jokingly asked if they had found an alien baby in my abdomen! The guy is just wierd. I'm so frustrated.It's getting harder to take this serious since no one else is . A smoke, a beer, and some bbq potato chips are sounding mighty good about now. - --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 That was so sad to read. I'm sorry for your loss. I look back and also find where doctor(s) failed my wife. I know they all can't be perfect but I think at times some think more of money or hospital costs than actually doing everything they can to save a life. While others are young and seem more eager to try new things. I think we may have had that discussion earlier on. Can you tell us more about Jeanne? Her story? MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: That happened to a lady and good friend of mine on here. Her name was Jeanne and the doctor told her no transplant. She went to another doctor or specialist and was evaluated for transplant and got the organ the day she was placed on the list. ( Apparently, she was in very bad health) However, she lost her life (after the transplant) due to a nurse not recognizing an emergency situation when a transplant patient developed an infection. She never gave up hope and it was a shock to learn after all she went through, she wasn't blessed with a longer life. I miss her greatly. --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 You are too kind. The first paragraph, I thought was paraphrasing so I googled the words, which sometimes leads me to hours of reading. But in the second paragraph where the lymph nodes are mentioned, your definition is more likely. It's also important to note that nothing was noted about the cirrhosis. Just that it was there. It could be nodular in only a small area. Or be asymptomatic. Or, even mistaken for fibrosis. (No symptoms are mentioned either.) The statement lead me to believe the possibility the other conditions were secondary to cirrhosis, which I had assumed, and may not (most likely) be the case. But, now I'm off to study E-Coli and it's effects on the liver... MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: You did a good job...when I looked at the first sentence posted, it does appear that they were saying about the pressure in the veins. The second sentence is what changed that meaning for me when they ran the whole thing together in reference to the lymph nodes. It could really be either one. Now I am curious which one it really is. Shows that even doctors don't make things as clear as they should. That is quite interesting. If we took it differently, I wonder how the nurses take it. The saying that two or three heads are better than one is so true. I like when others see things in a different way, it gets me thinking more of the possibilities and why they think the way they do. That is fascinating. --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Thanks! I have found two types of E coli so far that cause liver problems. One that causes inflammation and another that covers the liver in a discoloring orange film that gives the appearance of nodules. I'll post more later as I continue to read. As far as being a doctor. I don't think so. I doubt I would get through the year it takes just to learn medical terminology. I'm probably so interested in cirrhosis because it effected me very deeply even though I didn't have it. When my wife was going through this, I wasn't aware about support groups. I wasn't educated enough about the disease to even ask the doctors questions or even where to look for answers. Knew nothing about the dangers of tylenol, or NSAIDs. So for me, I just want to learn so I can help others who went what my wife and I went through. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I know the basics of this disease, but you seemed to be doing much more research on it than I have. Are you sure you are not going into the medical profession?....you seem to be really involved in studying this disease very thoroughly. Coming from every aspect of it. If I find any really good sites with alot of indepth studies on this I will be sure to pass them your way. --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Well I feel foolish. After back tracking my websites I found the article and was about to post it. When I read it the first time, I just searched key words " liver " and found two E Coli infections related to liver. Now that I read it further. It was talking about birds! Never thought this group would lead me to bird cirrhosis! LOL! (nothing against birds with cirrhosis mind you.) But, I have found this so far. " Intra-abdominal infections Intra-abdominal infections due to E coli often result from a perforated viscus (eg, appendix, diverticulum) or may be associated with intra-abdominal abscess, cholecystitis, and ascending cholangitis. Patients with diabetes mellitus are also at high risk of developing pylephlebitis of the portal vein and liver abscesses. " That's from eMedicine. I may have bit off more than I can chew. It seems for me, to see if E-Coli relates to liver disease, I would have to study E-Coli completely and understand how it works from a gastroenterology aspect. So in the meantime, I'll do some light reading and post anything of significance. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I admire you for going through all this and wanting to learn more to help others. Just reading articles and looking up the words in there that you may not know...is the way I learned alot of what medical terminology means. I've seen the articles you posted and read, so you must know alot of terminology pertaining to the liver. I'm interested in that article that makes the liver appear orange...can you post the link? Thanks... --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I was looking at the relation of back pain with cirrhosis. I have read where some people complain of back pain while others don't. But so far what I've found is that back pain is rare in cirrhosis patients and is more commonly found in pancreatitis. I'm sorry for your back trouble. The back is a tricky thing that gives us all problems at one time or another. My lower back still bothers me from a racquetball injury six years ago. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I have back trouble. I have a " partial " paralysis in both my legs...I can walk, but have difficulty getting in and out of high vehicles and sometimes going up and down many steps. It is located in my lumbar area that cause this. I also have trouble between my shoulder blades (thoracic) and (cervical)neck area. Are you having problems? --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Thanks! That saves me a lot of time from having to research many things separately. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: If you don't disappear from the group, here is a site you might like...This doesn't have to do with cirrhosis... it is a pathophysiology book on line that you can view anytime. It is free to read. http://www.mfi.ku.dk/ppaulev/content.htm --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Thanks again. I look forward to ready this tonight. And, to give you an idea of what I would look like being a doctor. Just imagine the movie Patch . MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: This article is high in medical terminology, but is a great article describing the difference between alcohol and non alcohol fatty livers leading to cirrhosis. The causes of the damage done. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/ResearchInformation/ExtramuralResearch/Resource\ sAppGrantees/R21liver.htm <http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/ResearchInformation/ExtramuralResearch/Resourc\ esAppGrantees/R21liver.htm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I meant " reading " not ready! Speaking of reading, when my wife asked our doctor for a suggestion of reading material about cirrhosis, he was almost at a loss for words. He couldn't reference anything that wasn't a mandatory study toward a degree. (at least it seemed at the time) Has anyone else asked that question? Looking back, I think he may have been into his second year of treating patients as part of a private practice. (While in contract with the local hospital to provide clinical visits. The kind " House " hates to do.) (semi-unsupervised) But anyway, he couldn't offer any information. We ended up driving toward LA to a large Korean book store and found many useful books. She found/bought/read several books. I think she may have been more up to speed than me at first. Anyway... Thanks for letting me post. (Posting in of itself is therapeutic. Right?) MaC MaC wrote: Thanks again. I look forward to ready this tonight. And, to give you an idea of what I would look like being a doctor. Just imagine the movie Patch . MaC --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q & A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Here's a link that would explain it better than I. http://www.patchadams.com/story.html MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I never seen the movie, Patch ...so I have no idea. You will have to explain it to me. No, we never had a chance to ask anyone for anything about cirrhosis cause the day we found out my husband had cirrhosis is the day I transported him down to the transplant hospital right from the doctor office...he was in liver failure. He had been tested for another operation and all showed everything as being normal until he went to have the surgery and the anethesiologist stopped the operation cause he noticed that the whites of his eyes were yellow. This all took place in one week time period. Talk about fast. From the time that the white of his eyes were yellow to his skin turning a truly unforgetable orange color was just a few days. Bilirubin in the blood is the number one sign a patient has of knowing if they have cirrhosis. Bilirubin can be high in other disease also, one being a blood disorder. However, it is still counted on as being dependable for the diagnosis of cirrhosis and liver function evaluation more than any other test available. --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Abijann, If you could only see me at work! I sometimes bring tears to peoples eyes! Being in the military, and being so professional all the time (which is ok), I feel, I just have to make people relax. Some things aren't ALL important. I work in an office environment. And you would be surprised at what people get upset about. A misspelled word, or an incomplete phone message. Yes, these could be important, but the people that get irate about them are usually the officers. And, at the same time they miss that important phone call, they're picking up their dry cleaning. While the enlisted guy/gal who skipped lunch to " watch " the office took the message. Anyway, so one day I decided to do halves. I took half messages, half phone calls, I cut everything in half. I left messages for my boss to call back numbers like 634-... , Chuck.... so and so called. You can call him back at.... I left half the message blank. I left work with half my work done. I also left at half past the hour etc. I wouldn't recommend anyone doing this, but, I knew my boss. After I explained why, he laughed and gave me a day of leave. LOL! Oh, the main reason I did this, was so my boss could see how much (half) of my work was. Once they saw what half of what I did was, my job seemed more important. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I read the story about Patch and if that is the kind of doctor you would be, I'd say go for it. There is never too much laughter and humor in this world. --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 When I was in Navy cooking school, these guys dissassembled another students' bed in the bachelor enlisted quarters and stuffed all the parts into a huge wall locker, including the mattress. When he got back from the enlisted club drunk at 2:00 am,his bed was AWOL ! lol Mac Of course, the payback is worse!!!! They took all the cut up paper out of the trash bin and placed it on top of everything inside my desk once, every drawer. Even the little tiny punch pieces. It took me a long time to clean it out. While I was talking to a representative on the phone, I was doing that and everyone was sitting around snickering at me. One even hid my stapler and would not let me use theirs. I got them back good. I took their calendar where they kept track of all their appointments and things they had to do and hid it. Someone place a real looking rubber mouse in a trap and placed it in one of the offices right near a girls desk. She screamed while she was on the phone...everyone got a kick out of that. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 That's funny! That was in Virginia right? The school, I mean. I heard many good things about that school. I cooked in a very popular seafood restaurant in the California (bay area) before I came into the service. (Not Red Lobster). In Basic once, we switched two guys uniforms who had the same name. What made it funny is that one was short and one was tall. The next morning, we all had to rush down for chow so the two guys didn't have time to switch uniforms. I wish I could paint a better picture. But if you could have seen our TI's (Training Instructor) face! He just shook his head. :-) Bob Aragon wrote: When I was in Navy cooking school, these guys dissassembled another students' bed in the bachelor enlisted quarters and stuffed all the parts into a huge wall locker, including the mattress. When he got back from the enlisted club drunk at 2:00 am,his bed was AWOL ! lol Mac Of course, the payback is worse!!!! They took all the cut up paper out of the trash bin and placed it on top of everything inside my desk once, every drawer. Even the little tiny punch pieces. It took me a long time to clean it out. While I was talking to a representative on the phone, I was doing that and everyone was sitting around snickering at me. One even hid my stapler and would not let me use theirs. I got them back good. I took their calendar where they kept track of all their appointments and things they had to do and hid it. Someone place a real looking rubber mouse in a trap and placed it in one of the offices right near a girls desk. She screamed while she was on the phone...everyone got a kick out of that. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> __________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Actually San Diego,and the campus is in the scene where Mcgillis chases Tom Cruise with her little car in Top Gun. Mac Of course, the payback is worse!!!! They took all the cut up paper out of the trash bin and placed it on top of everything inside my desk once, every drawer. Even the little tiny punch pieces. It took me a long time to clean it out. While I was talking to a representative on the phone, I was doing that and everyone was sitting around snickering at me. One even hid my stapler and would not let me use theirs. I got them back good. I took their calendar where they kept track of all their appointments and things they had to do and hid it. Someone place a real looking rubber mouse in a trap and placed it in one of the offices right near a girls desk. She screamed while she was on the phone...everyone got a kick out of that. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial,helvetica, clean,sans- serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica, clean,sans- serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family: Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family: Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-size:77% ; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space: nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space: nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight: bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family: Verdana; font-size:77% ; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family: verdana; font-size:77% ; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77% ; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; color:#333; text-transform: uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type: none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight: bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right: .5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight: bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type: square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration: none; font-size:130% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color: #eee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100% ; line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0; } ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120% ; } blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= list & sid= 396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Maybe I was thinking of something near Langley. I thought the Navy had a very good culinary arts school in VA. MaC Bob Aragon wrote: Actually San Diego,and the campus is in the scene where Mcgillis chases Tom Cruise with her little car in Top Gun. Mac Of course, the payback is worse!!!! They took all the cut up paper out of the trash bin and placed it on top of everything inside my desk once, every drawer. Even the little tiny punch pieces. It took me a long time to clean it out. While I was talking to a representative on the phone, I was doing that and everyone was sitting around snickering at me. One even hid my stapler and would not let me use theirs. I got them back good. I took their calendar where they kept track of all their appointments and things they had to do and hid it. Someone place a real looking rubber mouse in a trap and placed it in one of the offices right near a girls desk. She screamed while she was on the phone...everyone got a kick out of that. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial,helvetica, clean,sans- serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica, clean,sans- serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family: Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family: Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-size:77% ; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space: nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space: nowrap; } .bld{font-weight: bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family: Verdana; font-size:77% ; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family: verdana; font-size:77% ; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77% ; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; color:#333; text-transform: uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type: none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight: bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right: .5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight: bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type: square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration: none; font-size:130% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color: #eee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100% ; line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0; } .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120% ; } blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= list & sid= 396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Well... the suspense is killing me. What branch are you in? (and are you enlisted or an 'O' ?) Mac Of course, the payback is worse!!!! They took all the cut up paper out of the trash bin and placed it on top of everything inside my desk once, every drawer. Even the little tiny punch pieces. It took me a long time to clean it out. While I was talking to a representative on the phone, I was doing that and everyone was sitting around snickering at me. One even hid my stapler and would not let me use theirs. I got them back good. I took their calendar where they kept track of all their appointments and things they had to do and hid it. Someone place a real looking rubber mouse in a trap and placed it in one of the offices right near a girls desk. She screamed while she was on the phone...everyone got a kick out of that. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial,helvetica, clean,sans- serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica, clean,sans- serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family: Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family: Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-size:77% ; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space: nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space: nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight: bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family: Verdana; font-size:77% ; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family: verdana; font-size:77% ; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77% ; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; color:#333; text-transform: uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type: none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight: bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right: .5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight: bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color: #e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type: square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration: none; font-size:130% ; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color: #eee; margin-bottom: 20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100% ; line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration: underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0; } ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120% ; } blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers. yahoo.com/ dir/?link= list & sid= 396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Hmmm. Good question. A nasal decongestant may help relieve the pain by opening the ear and nasal passages. Drinking plenty of water through out the flight could help as well. But next time I see anyone from our Flight Surgeons office I'll ask. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I have a relative that everytime she goes in a airplane, her ears hurt so bad...the doctor has tried medication and they have also tried her chewing gum and other things. Do you have any good ideas how to prevent the pain following the flight? Surely, someone in the airforce has gone through that. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I haven't heard about too many people with ear problems from flying in the Air Force. But anyone with inner problems wouldn't pass the entrance physical for the jobs that require a lot of flying. Like pilots for instance. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: Thanks...I will pass the info along. --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I meant inner ear problems and not just inner problems. :-) MaC MaC wrote: I haven't heard about too many people with ear problems from flying in the Air Force. But anyone with inner problems wouldn't pass the entrance physical for the jobs that require a lot of flying. Like pilots for instance. MaC --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Not off hand. I can dig some stuff up and repost. I know there were times they gave my wife low doses of morphine or other derivatives for pain for short periods of time. Bob Aragon wrote: By the way MaC, I wanted to update you and abajann. The liver doctor told me that he thought it was time to seek a pain doctor so I saw my wife's doc last week. He prescribed the duragesic patch. It's fentynyl. I tried it for three days, and stopped it. Im waiting to speak with him, I didnt like the way I felt on it. A lot of side effect for a little benefit. Are either of you famialier with this drug ? --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I know you must be frustrated to no end. And it's unfortunate the America's health system is the way it is. I wish Congress would get off it's duff and fix it and make it work and make it the model system for the rest of the world to envy. Remember the days when America was like that? Instead health care seems to have only become a political rant. All the while you and others are left in a sea of bureaucracy trying to take care your of loved ones. And that's not even going into dental coverage which in of itself is another nightmare. I don't know about others with cirrhosis, but my wife always had bleeding gums, so I know keeping your teeth healthy is important also and sometimes overlooked. An internal medicine doctor would be good. Are you close enough to a bigger city in the case of having to be referred? You know I wish you and your husband all the best. When you get down, or frustrated, just remember... God never gives us more than we can handle. MaC abijann <no_reply > wrote: I am sure you did fine. When you post here, I can tell your mind is clear and functioning at full capacity. As for me, it is up and down all the time. Let us know when you receive that promotion. Extra dollars always come in handy. That is until the government or insurance takes it away from you. I haven't really been studying the liver of late, I've been into the cells and their development more. I think that is why I haven't posted as much. I've got tons of work to do here in the next couple weeks and I don't know where the energy to get it done will come from....If you have any to spare, send it my way. I guess that one doctor who said he didn't know for certain whether he could accept our insurance has made his final decision not to go with it. My husband went to him for over 20 years now and now we have to locate another Primary care for him. No one is accepting patients. I would like to get him into someone in Internal Medicine, so they don't give him something that will harm his liver knowing he has had a transplant. He is tired of traveling hours to doctors now and wants to get one close to home. Problem is, is that the doctors don't stick around here often enough and tend to leave in very short time periods...that is fine for me, but not for him. --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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