Re: Dr. Shoemaker's Questran (cholestyramine) treatment

[Guest guest]

Ok, I just searched past messages again after spelling cholestyramine

incorrectly the first

time. Looks like I'm opening a can of worms here that has been recently

discussed. Anyway,

sorry if this is redundant for some, but I'm still interested in replies!

Heidi in particular: I read your posts with great respect and saw your previous

comments

about this. Like you, I tend towards naturals whenever possible and so does our

beloved MD.

I want to make an additional note here that after 2 years and numerous

supplement regimes,

this is the first prescription drug he has suggested.

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

I have seen several postings on cholestyramine. Many love it, some

don't. They also talk about cholestepure as being an alternative.

Are you saying that your doc thinks the germs are gone but the toxins

from them are still making people sick. I do feel that many have

difficulty ridding toxins, but I also feel they are still full of

germs. I see too many people saying they are getting well continuing

their lyme-killing treatments over a long time period. Thus, killing

the germs in my opinion must continue. Toxins or die-off is rid at

my house by lithium orotate by Ortho Molecular, Burbur by Nutramedix,

cod liver oil by Nordic Naturals, Pectasol Chelation Complex by

EcoNugenics and Mellatonin by Kirkman. We do more stuff too. There

are probably other things one could do as well.

I have heard that most children with autism have very low

cholesterol, that is why many do well on eggs.

I do agree that you will get very quick symptom reduction in removing

toxins. Much of my protocol is based on protection from or ridding

toxins. I hate die-off, and I have great difficulty ridding toxins.

Thus, I support ridding toxins, just keep killing germs also.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> I read here daily but rarely post because I have more questions

than answers. Now I have a

> treatment question for all the knowledgeable members of this group:

> Has anyone had experience with a treatment for biotoxin illnesses

(including Lyme,

> autism, MS, CFS, fibromyalgia, etc.) using cholestyramine?

Apparently this is from Dr.

> Ritchie Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors (we are awaiting it from

Amazon), and my

> brilliant doctor has arrived at this strategy to treat Lyme and

autism in my family.

> His explanation was that " biotoxin illness " is an underlying theory

for most of these

> diagnoses, and that people's bodies cannot inactivate the toxins

even if they go after the

> infections. So, we can treat symptoms, treat systemic problems like

> yeast/bacteria/viruses/etc., but we continue to see illness because

the toxins persist.

> Cholestyramine has been around since the 60s, and was created as a

cholesterol-lowering

> drug. Apparently, it is also effective in acting like a sponge for

toxins and carrying them

> out through the bowel. I can't adequately condense the information,

but I will include a

> link that explains it clearly:

>

> http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-

articles/neurotoxins-

> %11-treatment-information-sheet/

>

> Our doctor presented this to me after months of research. He has

been seeing my son

> (autism, likely Lyme) for 2 years and me (Lyme, CFS) for a year,

and he thinks this is our

> best strategy for treatment. Thus far, every consultation I've had

with him has been for

> either me or for my son. I was impressed that he tied us together

this time, and I'm

> intrigued by the idea.

> I had one concern, which was the fact that both my son and I have

low cholesterol, and

> this is a cholesterol-lowering drug. He explained that it would be

short term use, in cycles

> if necessary, and that some side effects would be tolerable if we

were able to solve our

> overall problem by removing toxins.

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks,

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

From my memory, there have been some who say they love

cholestyramine, but some who say it made them ill.

Google " cholestyramine liver " to see what you find. I have also seen

many postings say to use cholesepure instead, which is non-

prescription. I have used neither. I nevr researched them much. I

of course mentioned what I use. I would research them to see if you

feel they are safe, and then one would have to learn by trial and

error to see if it worked for them.

I will never forget my trial and error with lithium orotate. I have

great difficulty detoxing. I only took the lithium orotate because I

take everything my kids take. Thus, I try it first so I know the

effects on them. My adopted girl has mood swings, and so I was

really looking for some help with that. Thus, I tried out the

lithium orotate. I then could not believe how much it helped. I

have to take very low doses of pathogen-killers because I get so sick

from die-off (dizzy, off-balance, nauseaus, headaches, fatigue, foggy

brain, etc.) The lithium orotate enabled me to take much higher

doses of pathogen-killers than I normally could take. I never read

that it was for dizziness, etc. Thus, that trial and error was a

nice surprise. I then researched it some more and found that it

protects the nerves from toxins, and is safe in low amounts. Thus, I

was sold, since I only need a very low amount. My brother started

taking it; he has Bipolar (really just probably lyme). He said he

had never felt better in his entire life. Now, I guess I am just

saying here that my pattern is to research safety, drug/herb

interactions, normal doseage, and then trial and error.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> Ok, I just searched past messages again after spelling

cholestyramine incorrectly the first

> time. Looks like I'm opening a can of worms here that has been

recently discussed. Anyway,

> sorry if this is redundant for some, but I'm still interested in

replies!

> Heidi in particular: I read your posts with great respect and saw

your previous comments

> about this. Like you, I tend towards naturals whenever possible and

so does our beloved MD.

> I want to make an additional note here that after 2 years and

numerous supplement regimes,

> this is the first prescription drug he has suggested.

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

You should go for it.

Effects may not be immediate, but over time it shows.

I am doing so myself and it is working.

care must be taken with timing - otherwise it interfers with many or

most medications and supplements.

Yoav

>

> I read here daily but rarely post because I have more questions than

answers. Now I have a

> treatment question for all the knowledgeable members of this group:

> Has anyone had experience with a treatment for biotoxin illnesses

(including Lyme,

> autism, MS, CFS, fibromyalgia, etc.) using cholestyramine?

Apparently this is from Dr.

> Ritchie Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors (we are awaiting it from

Amazon), and my

> brilliant doctor has arrived at this strategy to treat Lyme and

autism in my family.

> His explanation was that " biotoxin illness " is an underlying theory

for most of these

> diagnoses, and that people's bodies cannot inactivate the toxins

even if they go after the

> infections. So, we can treat symptoms, treat systemic problems like

> yeast/bacteria/viruses/etc., but we continue to see illness because

the toxins persist.

> Cholestyramine has been around since the 60s, and was created as a

cholesterol-lowering

> drug. Apparently, it is also effective in acting like a sponge for

toxins and carrying them

> out through the bowel. I can't adequately condense the information,

but I will include a

> link that explains it clearly:

>

>

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-articles/neurotoxin\

s-

> %11-treatment-information-sheet/

>

> Our doctor presented this to me after months of research. He has

been seeing my son

> (autism, likely Lyme) for 2 years and me (Lyme, CFS) for a year, and

he thinks this is our

> best strategy for treatment. Thus far, every consultation I've had

with him has been for

> either me or for my son. I was impressed that he tied us together

this time, and I'm

> intrigued by the idea.

> I had one concern, which was the fact that both my son and I have

low cholesterol, and

> this is a cholesterol-lowering drug. He explained that it would be

short term use, in cycles

> if necessary, and that some side effects would be tolerable if we

were able to solve our

> overall problem by removing toxins.

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks,

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

I am not familiar with Questran, but think, if using it at all, it must be

of a short-term use, and the level of cholesterol must be closely monitored.

Dr. Shaw from the Great Plains Lab talks about the impact of low

cholesterol on immune system. Per Dr. Shaw, without sufficient level of

cholesterol (he recommends the range for total cholesterol to be around 160

to 180), Sonic Hedgehog proteins cannot be properly activated to help the

body producing an appropriate immune response to fight infections. Another

function of Sonic Hedgehog proteins is to promote proliferation of adult

stem cells.

For mopping up biotoxins in the system, we use modified citrus pectin in

PectaSol Chelation Complex

(http://www.econugenics.com/products/product_detail.php?c=38 & s=6342). This

product is very safe. Perhaps you can discuss MCP with your doctor to

understand if he thinks MCP can be as effective as Questran for the purpose.

Just my two cents,

Limin

Re: Dr. Shoemaker's Questran

(cholestyramine) treatment

> You should go for it.

> Effects may not be immediate, but over time it shows.

> I am doing so myself and it is working.

> care must be taken with timing - otherwise it interfers with many or

> most medications and supplements.

> Yoav

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> I read here daily but rarely post because I have more questions than

> answers. Now I have a

>> treatment question for all the knowledgeable members of this group:

>> Has anyone had experience with a treatment for biotoxin illnesses

> (including Lyme,

>> autism, MS, CFS, fibromyalgia, etc.) using cholestyramine?

> Apparently this is from Dr.

>> Ritchie Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors (we are awaiting it from

> Amazon), and my

>> brilliant doctor has arrived at this strategy to treat Lyme and

> autism in my family.

>> His explanation was that " biotoxin illness " is an underlying theory

> for most of these

>> diagnoses, and that people's bodies cannot inactivate the toxins

> even if they go after the

>> infections. So, we can treat symptoms, treat systemic problems like

>> yeast/bacteria/viruses/etc., but we continue to see illness because

> the toxins persist.

>> Cholestyramine has been around since the 60s, and was created as a

> cholesterol-lowering

>> drug. Apparently, it is also effective in acting like a sponge for

> toxins and carrying them

>> out through the bowel. I can't adequately condense the information,

> but I will include a

>> link that explains it clearly:

>>

>>

>

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-articles/neurotoxin\

s-

>> %11-treatment-information-sheet/

>>

>> Our doctor presented this to me after months of research. He has

> been seeing my son

>> (autism, likely Lyme) for 2 years and me (Lyme, CFS) for a year, and

> he thinks this is our

>> best strategy for treatment. Thus far, every consultation I've had

> with him has been for

>> either me or for my son. I was impressed that he tied us together

> this time, and I'm

>> intrigued by the idea.

>> I had one concern, which was the fact that both my son and I have

> low cholesterol, and

>> this is a cholesterol-lowering drug. He explained that it would be

> short term use, in cycles

>> if necessary, and that some side effects would be tolerable if we

> were able to solve our

>> overall problem by removing toxins.

>> Any thoughts?

>> Thanks,

>> Ingrid

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, the cholesterol level was my first question for the doctor. My son has low

cholesterol

and also is intolerant of eggs. He takes the New Beginnings brand Sonic

Cholesterol daily.

By the way, in answer to Heidi's suggestion, he also takes lithium and so do i!

The treatment plan our doc set was for short term use, and he believes the gains

to be

had from the toxin clean-up would be well worth and temporary side effects from

the

cholesterol levels being down. He also wants us taking a lot of extra CLO and

some other

" good fats " while we do this to offset the losses.

I will ask him about the PectaSol, thank you.

Ingrid

> >>

> >> I read here daily but rarely post because I have more questions than

> > answers. Now I have a

> >> treatment question for all the knowledgeable members of this group:

> >> Has anyone had experience with a treatment for biotoxin illnesses

> > (including Lyme,

> >> autism, MS, CFS, fibromyalgia, etc.) using cholestyramine?

> > Apparently this is from Dr.

> >> Ritchie Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors (we are awaiting it from

> > Amazon), and my

> >> brilliant doctor has arrived at this strategy to treat Lyme and

> > autism in my family.

> >> His explanation was that " biotoxin illness " is an underlying theory

> > for most of these

> >> diagnoses, and that people's bodies cannot inactivate the toxins

> > even if they go after the

> >> infections. So, we can treat symptoms, treat systemic problems like

> >> yeast/bacteria/viruses/etc., but we continue to see illness because

> > the toxins persist.

> >> Cholestyramine has been around since the 60s, and was created as a

> > cholesterol-lowering

> >> drug. Apparently, it is also effective in acting like a sponge for

> > toxins and carrying them

> >> out through the bowel. I can't adequately condense the information,

> > but I will include a

> >> link that explains it clearly:

> >>

> >>

> > http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-

articles/neurotoxins-

> >> %11-treatment-information-sheet/

> >>

> >> Our doctor presented this to me after months of research. He has

> > been seeing my son

> >> (autism, likely Lyme) for 2 years and me (Lyme, CFS) for a year, and

> > he thinks this is our

> >> best strategy for treatment. Thus far, every consultation I've had

> > with him has been for

> >> either me or for my son. I was impressed that he tied us together

> > this time, and I'm

> >> intrigued by the idea.

> >> I had one concern, which was the fact that both my son and I have

> > low cholesterol, and

> >> this is a cholesterol-lowering drug. He explained that it would be

> > short term use, in cycles

> >> if necessary, and that some side effects would be tolerable if we

> > were able to solve our

> >> overall problem by removing toxins.

> >> Any thoughts?

> >> Thanks,

> >> Ingrid

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have read two of Dr. Shoemaker's books and both were informative as

well as entertaining. They held my attention cover to cover. It's

like reading a mystery novel based on reality.

He was also on Mystery Diagnosis during the pfiesteria (also a

biotoxin disease) outbreak in land and surrounding states. He

cured hundreds of people with CSM and I'm told he also has biotoxin

disease. Everything he said made sense to me and he has dedicated

his life to biotoxin research. My doctor, Dr. Kolb, MD worked

with him on a protocol for women who had mold on their breast

implants. I didn't have implants but I had a biopsy marker in my

breast and mold grew. Dr. Kolb said it was unsanitary conditions at

the time of biopsy but I was highly allergic to nickel and I believe

the nickel played a role.

Some people get very sick on CSM and Dr. Kolb didn't even try me on

it but she gave me all kinds of other supplements for me to detox. I

am doing much better however I think I have done perminent damage to

my HPA axis as my Adrenal Insufficiency is not improving. I also

have digestive problems.

I also took the MMS and found it to be helpful but discontinued after

awhile because fungus can build up a resistance to it.

Dr. Shoemaker is very traditional and I believe he is that way

because they would go after him in a heart beat if he so much as

stepped out of line with conventional medicine (we must stop this

from happening to our best doctors. Has anyone heard about what is

happening to Dr. Rea in Texas?).

Ingrid your doctor sounds wonderful.

Sharon

>

> I read here daily but rarely post because I have more questions

than answers. Now I have a

> treatment question for all the knowledgeable members of this group:

> Has anyone had experience with a treatment for biotoxin illnesses

(including Lyme,

> autism, MS, CFS, fibromyalgia, etc.) using cholestyramine?

Apparently this is from Dr.

> Ritchie Shoemaker's book Mold Warriors (we are awaiting it from

Amazon), and my

> brilliant doctor has arrived at this strategy to treat Lyme and

autism in my family.

> His explanation was that " biotoxin illness " is an underlying theory

for most of these

> diagnoses, and that people's bodies cannot inactivate the toxins

even if they go after the

> infections. So, we can treat symptoms, treat systemic problems like

> yeast/bacteria/viruses/etc., but we continue to see illness because

the toxins persist.

> Cholestyramine has been around since the 60s, and was created as a

cholesterol-lowering

> drug. Apparently, it is also effective in acting like a sponge for

toxins and carrying them

> out through the bowel. I can't adequately condense the information,

but I will include a

> link that explains it clearly:

>