Re: Crystal Quest Water Filter

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,

I'm strongly inclined not to trust their product based on one thing: it

appears to me that they called " Giardia " " Guardian " in their literature. I

have a hard time trusting their knowledge of what they're doing when they

can't spell one of the most common biological contaminants in water. Maybe

I'm a snob, but it would bother me even if it was just a typo; if they don't

have sufficient attention to detail in something like their own product

literature, what level of attention to detail do they use in researching,

developing, manufacturing and testing their product?

Minneapolis

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:jlclaire@...]

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:43 PM

Subject: Crystal Quest Water Filter

Hi all,

Has anyone tried the Crystal Quest counter top filter? Right

now I'm using a Brita (I know, I know...I'm new, ok!) but I'm

going to buy something better soon. I can't afford a RO system.

This is how Crystal Quest works (according to their website

www.cqwater.com):

FIRST, water passes through two one - micron filtration pad,

small enough to remove all visible particles as well as GUARDIAN,

CRYPTOSPORIDIUM and other microbiological CYSTS.

SECOND, Our systems contain a patented media, KDF®(U.S. Patent

4,642,192), which has been tested to drastically reduce or effectively

remove: Chlorine, Lead, Arsenic, Barium, Cadmium, Chromium, Selenium,

Mercury, Iron and other metals that may be present in the water.

KDF® is listed under NSF standard 61 (health effects) for water

treatment plant applications.

THIRD, The Coconut Shell Granular Activated Carbon is used to

improve the taste and odor and to remove: Chlorine, THMs, PCBs

and hundreds of other organic contaminants that may be present

in the water. The Coconut Shell GAC listed under NSF standard

42.

FOURTH, water flows through another two one - micron filtration

pad for further reduction of undesirable particles. The end result

is total elimination or great reduction of a wide variety of

contaminants.

You can buy a deluxe model that has an additional filter that

removes 100% of the flouride.

It costs $139 for a filter that processes 30,000 gallons--pretty

cheap!!! But maybe not very good? Any opinions would be greatly

appreciated.

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>It costs $139 for a filter that processes 30,000 gallons--pretty

>cheap!!! But maybe not very good? Any opinions would be greatly

>appreciated.

Boy, I don't know what to make of that! I'm skeptical due to the poor

quality of their site, but OTOH, it almost seems too promising not to try

at that price. I couldn't find any kind of review, consumer or otherwise,

on the web, though.

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[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I don't like knocking other systems out there. It's false claims

that bother me.

These folks have a couple 1 micron filters, then KDF, then granulated

carbon (ie Brita), then 1 micron post filters. 1 micron is not very

small really - a heck of a lot gets through that. I don't know if

folks on this list realize what KDF is, but it is not designed to

remove -anything- from water. It is actually used most effectively

in shower filters, where you have a high flow rate and need to

convert reactive chlorine into an inert compound so that it won't be

a nasty free radical on your skin and lungs. It does this by

creating an electric current between two metals as the water flows

through, and these metals help convert the reactive compounds by

donating electrons and molecules. So they use KDF to neutralize the

chlorine and other free radicals so that their granulated carbon can

absorb them better I would guess. A good strategy basically for

getting the chlorine and a few other things out, though I would

rather see them use a really good solid carbon block instead of

granular (much more effective and lasts way longer). But then they

need to keep the price down to next to nothing....

Then the water goes through another micron filter. Whether this unit

is better than a Multi-Pure or a Doulton (which are good for what

they try to do), I would have to see water samples to tell. I doubt

it though.

In their water contamination section they list all kinds of problems

with our water, including leaching from underground gasoline tanks,

heavy metals, viruses, and asbestos. Notice they don't say that

their unit removes all these things. It is implied though and that

is misleading bec. their unit would not even hardly touch these

toxins. In their comparison section they discuss probs. with other

methods of filtration/purification, (and they include many

inaccuracies) implying that therefore theirs is the best.

Dangerously misleading because people could get this system thinking

they are getting the best deal on pure water around, but actually

they are just getting the best price around.

It's kind of funny too when they say " No replacement cartridges

needed " because it appears this is because you have to replace the

whole unit! This is not really made clear though.

Anyway once you understand the capabilities of the various water

filter/purification technologies out there, it is hard to be fooled

by companies that throw a few terms like " KDF " and " 1 micron " at you

and imply that they have figured out a way to " Create pure water for

less than a per gallon instantly. "

I wish creating pure water was a cheap process. But given what our

society has done to our water supply, it is not. An enlightened

society would not have done this in the first place, but if it had,

it would at least take a few billion that it applies to other

pursuits, and put it toward making sure that everyone in America had

access to truly pure water, which is so critical to good health.

Until that happens, it is up to each of us to do the research and to

some extent to become a water expert enough to make the best

decisions for ourselves and our families. The long-term solution in

my opinion is to create sustainable economies and " wisdom cultures "

to replace our unsustainable economy and " profit culture. " But that

is another email....

Cheers,

> [Original Message]

> From: Idol <Idol@...>

> < >

> Date: 2/14/2002 1:31:25 AM

> Subject: Re: Crystal Quest Water Filter

>

>

> >It costs $139 for a filter that processes 30,000 gallons--pretty

> >cheap!!! But maybe not very good? Any opinions would be greatly

> >appreciated.

>

> Boy, I don't know what to make of that! I'm skeptical due to the

poor

> quality of their site, but OTOH, it almost seems too promising not

to try

> at that price. I couldn't find any kind of review, consumer or

otherwise,

> on the web, though.

>

>

>

> -

>

> >It costs $139 for a filter that processes 30,000 gallons--pretty

> >cheap!!! But maybe not very good? Any opinions would be greatly

> >appreciated.

>

> Boy, I don't know what to make of that! I'm skeptical due to the

poor

> quality of their site, but OTOH, it almost seems too promising not

to try

> at that price. I couldn't find any kind of review, consumer or

otherwise,

> on the web, though.

>

>

>

> -

[Guest guest]

>Anyway once you understand the capabilities of the various water

>filter/purification technologies out there, it is hard to be fooled

>by companies that throw a few terms like " KDF " and " 1 micron " at you

>and imply that they have figured out a way to " Create pure water for

>less than a per gallon instantly. "

I certainly didn't have the impression that their system is _good_ in any

absolute sense, but if it's substantially better than what I have (a Brita

pitcher) and allows me to remove the flouride, or even most of the

flouride, then maybe it's the best thing I can afford.

OTOH, maybe it's just as much a waste of money as the Pur and Brita crap

I've been flushing money down the tubes with. Heck if I know.

-

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, What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride Sent from my iPhone 4On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean water is

essential to the protocol and to good health.

Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are:

1. effectiveness

2. cost of unit

3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement

4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement

filters from in the future?

I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr

Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the

link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water

pressure, but never received an answer.

I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their

effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't

remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew

they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or

undersink, single-point filters.

The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have

countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride,

yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable

company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them

to others who have also been happy.

In terms of how effective it needs to be:

You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs

(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates.

That's what I can think of right now.

--

>We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a well. What

>should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water

>and for bath/shower as well?

>

>I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about.

>

>

>

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>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

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>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

It is an adsorption method. Here is their site you can research:

http://www.crystalquest.com/

--

At 01:04 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote:

>,

> What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride

>

>

>

>Sent from my iPhone 4

>

>

>On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker

><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean water is

>>essential to the protocol and to good health.

>>

>>Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are:

>>

>>1. effectiveness

>>2. cost of unit

>>3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement

>>4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement

>>filters from in the future?

>>

>>I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr

>>Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the

>>link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water

>>pressure, but never received an answer.

>>

>>I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their

>>effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't

>>remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew

>>they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or

>>undersink, single-point filters.

>>

>>The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have

>>countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride,

>>yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable

>>company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them

>>to others who have also been happy.

>>

>>In terms of how effective it needs to be:

>>You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs

>>(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates.

>>

>>That's what I can think of right now.

>>

>>--

>>

>> >We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a well. What

>> >should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water

>> >and for bath/shower as well?

>> >

>> >I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >------------------------------------

>> >

>> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>> >group

>>

<IodineOT/>http://health./g\

roup/IodineOT/

>> >

>> >

>> >Commonly asked questions:

>> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Assuming I wish to continue this conversation; if I select the "off topic" link at the bottom of this email, how would anyone else, to include , be aware of this conversation. I only ask because I have never seen an off topic email come into my inbox. Sent from my iPhone 4On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

It is an adsorption method. Here is their site you can research:

http://www.crystalquest.com/

--

At 01:04 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote:

>,

> What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride

>

>

>

>Sent from my iPhone 4

>

>

>On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker

><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean water is

>>essential to the protocol and to good health.

>>

>>Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are:

>>

>>1. effectiveness

>>2. cost of unit

>>3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement

>>4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement

>>filters from in the future?

>>

>>I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr

>>Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the

>>link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water

>>pressure, but never received an answer.

>>

>>I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their

>>effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't

>>remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew

>>they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or

>>undersink, single-point filters.

>>

>>The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have

>>countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride,

>>yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable

>>company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them

>>to others who have also been happy.

>>

>>In terms of how effective it needs to be:

>>You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs

>>(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates.

>>

>>That's what I can think of right now.

>>

>>--

>>

>> >We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a well. What

>> >should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water

>> >and for bath/shower as well?

>> >

>> >I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >------------------------------------

>> >

>> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>> >group

>> <IodineOT/>IodineOT/

>> >

>> >

>> >Commonly asked questions:

>> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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The off-topic group is a separate list you have to sign up for. You only get those emails if you have signed up for it, & they only go out to other people who have signed up for it.AnneOn Mar 13, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Coyle wrote: Assuming I wish to continue this conversation; if I select the "off topic" link at the bottom of this email, how would anyone else, to include , be aware of this conversation. I only ask because I have never seen an off topic email come into my inbox. Sent from my iPhone 4On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote: It is an adsorption method. Here is their site you can research: http://www.crystalquest.com/ -- At 01:04 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote: >, > What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride > > > >Sent from my iPhone 4 > > >On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker ><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote: > >> >> >>We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean water is >>essential to the protocol and to good health. >> >>Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are: >> >>1. effectiveness >>2. cost of unit >>3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement >>4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement >>filters from in the future? >> >>I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr >>Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the >>link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water >>pressure, but never received an answer. >> >>I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their >>effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't >>remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew >>they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or >>undersink, single-point filters. >> >>The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have >>countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride, >>yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable >>company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them >>to others who have also been happy. >> >>In terms of how effective it needs to be: >>You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs >>(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates. >> >>That's what I can think of right now. >> >>-- >> >> >We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a well. What >> >should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water >> >and for bath/shower as well? >> > >> >I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about. >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> > >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >> >group >> <IodineOT/>IodineOT/ >> > >> > >> >Commonly asked questions: >> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

, I'm not on the offtopic group (a separate group that people sign

up for). However as I said, we do discuss water filtration here because

clean water is so important to the success of the protocol and to good health.

--

At 06:47 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote:

>Assuming I wish to continue this conversation; if I select the " off topic "

>link at the bottom of this email, how would anyone else, to include

>, be aware of this conversation. I only ask because I have never

>seen an off topic email come into my inbox.

>

>

>

>Sent from my iPhone 4

>

>

>On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Baker

><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>>It is an adsorption method. Here is their site you can research:

>><http://www.crystalquest.com/>http://www.crystalquest.com/

>>

>>--

>>

>>At 01:04 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote:

>>

>> >,

>> > What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >Sent from my iPhone 4

>> >

>> >

>> >On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker

>> ><<mailto:vbaker@...><mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:

>> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean

>> water is

>> >>essential to the protocol and to good health.

>> >>

>> >>Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are:

>> >>

>> >>1. effectiveness

>> >>2. cost of unit

>> >>3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement

>> >>4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement

>> >>filters from in the future?

>> >>

>> >>I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr

>> >>Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the

>> >>link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water

>> >>pressure, but never received an answer.

>> >>

>> >>I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their

>> >>effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't

>> >>remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew

>> >>they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or

>> >>undersink, single-point filters.

>> >>

>> >>The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have

>> >>countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride,

>> >>yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable

>> >>company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them

>> >>to others who have also been happy.

>> >>

>> >>In terms of how effective it needs to be:

>> >>You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs

>> >>(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates.

>> >>

>> >>That's what I can think of right now.

>> >>

>> >>--

>> >>

>> >> >We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a

>> well. What

>> >> >should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water

>> >> >and for bath/shower as well?

>> >> >

>> >> >I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about.

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >------------------------------------

>> >> >

>> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>> >> >group

>> >>

>>

<<IodineOT/>http://health./\

group/IodineOT/>IodineOT/

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >Commonly asked questions:

>> >>

>>

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Sweet. How do I sign up for the off topic list? I am assuming that it is only people from the iodine group?Sent from my iPhone 4On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Anne Seals <anneseals@...> wrote:

The off-topic group is a separate list you have to sign up for. You only get those emails if you have signed up for it, & they only go out to other people who have signed up for it.AnneOn Mar 13, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Coyle wrote: Assuming I wish to continue this conversation; if I select the "off topic" link at the bottom of this email, how would anyone else, to include , be aware of this conversation. I only ask because I have never seen an off topic email come into my inbox. Sent from my iPhone 4On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote: It is an adsorption method. Here is their site you can research: http://www.crystalquest.com/ -- At 01:04 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote: >, > What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride > > > >Sent from my iPhone 4 > > >On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker ><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote: > >> >> >>We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean water is >>essential to the protocol and to good health. >> >>Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are: >> >>1. effectiveness >>2. cost of unit >>3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement >>4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement >>filters from in the future? >> >>I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr >>Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the >>link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water >>pressure, but never received an answer. >> >>I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their >>effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't >>remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew >>they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or >>undersink, single-point filters. >> >>The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have >>countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride, >>yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable >>company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them >>to others who have also been happy. >> >>In terms of how effective it needs to be: >>You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs >>(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates. >> >>That's what I can think of right now. >> >>-- >> >> >We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a well. What >> >should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water >> >and for bath/shower as well? >> > >> >I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about. >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> > >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >> >group >> <IodineOT/>IodineOT/ >> > >> > >> >Commonly asked questions: >> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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There are quite a few members there. 5 e-mails were posted on Saturday. You do need to sign up for the OT group also. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of CoyleSent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:48 PMiodine Subject: Re: Crystal Quest water filter Assuming I wish to continue this conversation; if I select the " off topic " link at the bottom of this email, how would anyone else, to include , be aware of this conversation. I only ask because I have never seen an off topic email come into my inbox. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote: It is an adsorption method. Here is their site you can research:http://www.crystalquest.com/--At 01:04 PM 3/13/2011, you wrote:>,> What Method does crystal quest use to remove fluoride>> >>Sent from my iPhone 4>>>On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Baker ><<mailto:vbaker@...>vbaker@...> wrote:>>>>>>>We do allow discussion of water filters on this list because clean water is>>essential to the protocol and to good health.>>>>Considerations of which I am aware with water filters are:>>>>1. effectiveness>>2. cost of unit>>3. cost of replacement filters, frequency of replacement>>4. stability of the company: will they be there to buy replacement>>filters from in the future?>>>>I've been using water filters since the early 1980s. I know that Dr>>Brownstein recommends a whole-house RO system (Steph can provide the>>link). I have sent an email to that company asking them about water>>pressure, but never received an answer.>>>>I used Multi-Pure filters for many many years. I was satisfied with their>>effectiveness (look at their stats on this). However, their filters don't>>remove fluoride and I moved to a city with fluoridation, AND, last I knew>>they don't have a whole-house filter, they are just countertop or>>undersink, single-point filters.>>>>The company I am currently using is Crystal Quest because they have>>countertop, undersink, and whole-house filtration that removes fluoride,>>yet is not RO. Their overall pricing is excellent and they are a stable>>company. I've been very happy with my investment and have recommended them>>to others who have also been happy.>>>>In terms of how effective it needs to be:>>You want it to remove not just chlorine but chloramines, and also VOCs>>(vaporous chemicals), heavy metals, pesticides, and particulates.>>>>That's what I can think of right now.>>>>-->>>> >We're moving back to the city after living in rural area with a well. What>> >should I look for when shopping for a water filter for my drinking water>> >and for bath/shower as well?>> >>> >I want to remove chlorine. No fluoride to worry about.>> >>> >>> >>> >------------------------------------>> >>> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT>> >group >> <IodineOT/>IodineOT/>> >>> >>> >Commonly asked questions: >> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e