Re: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

February 11, 2002

We have spring in our yard. How would you make that drinkable?

Marcella

>From: " radlife2002 " <radiantlife@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:08:58 -0000

>

>Greetings ,

>

>I would suggest you inquire as to how a system comprised of just

>carbon and KDF stages could address very difficult toxins such as

>MTBE and chromium-6, which seem to be all over the place. Does one

>have to get an extra cartridge for each of those too? What happens

>when we find out about the next nasty thing which has been in our

>water for years, and which is very hard to get out? (MTBE and

>chromium-6 were in our water for years before we realized it. The

>author of that book prob. was unaware of these in 1998. And only a

>triple purifying system gets all this stuff out.)

>

>Also, you've got to ask how any system that is supposed to leave

>the " good " minerals in the water manages to get out the bad

>minerals. You get your calcium and zinc but not the lead arsenic or

>copper? Maybe the author knows about a " smart filter " that takes out

>certain minerals but not others! I'd like to know about that but am

>very skeptical....

>

>I wish it were not the case but I have to say that with water

>filtration/purification, you get what you pay for. It may sound nice

>to pay just a little to get great water but unless you live in

>Hunzaland it doesn't work that way. I know that I speak as someone

>who sells a particular system, but we could have chosen anything out

>there, and still can. Anyone who tells you that you can have good

>water using carbon and KDF today is probably writing from an island

>in the south Pacific.

>

>All the best in your quest,

>

> >

> > Hello, I just finished reading a wonderful book about water

> > filtration titled " Don't drink the water, the essential guide to

>our

> > contaminated drinking water and what you can do about it " . The

>author

> > is Luno Kahuna Kupua A'O (from Hawaii). The book was published in

> > 1998.

> >

> > In summary, he states that it IS possible to remove fluoride

>without

> > a RO system while retaining healthy minerals!

> >

> > At the end of the book, he offers the following recommendation:

> >

> > " At the time of this writing, the best overall choice for most

>people

> > appears to be either dual or triple canister systems employing

> > standard cartridges that can be easily replaced. The heart of the

> > system uses a KDF/granular activated carbon cartridge to remove

> > chlorine, its associated DBPs, VOCs and other harmful organic and

> > inorganic chemicals, and heavy metals. This cartridge should

>precede

> > a second stage carbon block cartridge that will block the cysts of

> > organisms like Giardia and Cryptosporidium, as well as remove

>certain

> > other organic compounds that may have gotten through the first

> > cartridge. When KDF meida is used as a prefilter, it will aid in

> > keeping the carbon media bacteriostatic, and help it to last far

> > longer. "

> >

> > " If fluoride is a problem, these stages may be followed by a third

> > stage which employs a cartridge specially designed to remove

>fluoride

> > effectively. "

> >

> > " This type of system can be more effective than reverse-osmosis at

> > removing most kinds of harmful contaminants; it is less expensive

>to

> > buy, install, and maintain, and it doesn't waste water. Best of

>all,

> > it doesn't remove healthful minerals such as calcium, potassium,

> > magnesium, and phosphorus which exist in water in their most

> > bioavailable form. "

> >

> > I have found several filters for sale meeting this description by

> > doing a web search on KDF/fluoride/undercounter. I am considering

>one

> > for purchase. I have decided against the wholly-water filter

>because

> > it releases the toxic elements back into the public water system,

>and

> > I can get one of these other ones instead which won't do this.

> >

> > Just an update for anyone who might be interested!

> >

> > , Rochester NY

>

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February 12, 2002

Thanks for telling me of your experience. Right now we just buy bottled

water but I wanted to change that when I can.

Marcella

>From: " radlife2002 " <radiantlife@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:00:26 -0000

>

>Marcella,

>

>We get our water from a spring in a remote valley in northern

>California. When we moved here, we drank the sweet tasting water for

>3 weeks before our skin got flaky and dry and our lips got really

>chapped. Changing to restructured RO water, our skin and lips went

>back to their soft normal state. We believe that it was the

>inorganic minerals in the water that led to our dry skin

>(dehydration). Many people believe that the inorganic minerals in

>water can lead to plaqueing of the arteries, gall stones/kidney

>stones, dehydration, calcification of the joints, etc. I know this

>is controversial with some, but we feel that we do much better with

>purified water with the minerals removed, then restructured and ionic

>organic minerals returned in trace amounts. Even though we live in

>the country with no industry nearby and good tasting spring water

>this is what we have chosen.

>

>Those who either don't believe or don't care that inorganic minerals

>are bad for you, could just drink spring water straight if there are

>no chemicals or chlorine in the water, or maybe just run it through a

>Doulton with an Ultra-Carb cartridge to get out trace chemicals and

>microorganisms....

>

>Hope this helps,

>

> > > >

> > > > Hello, I just finished reading a wonderful book about water

> > > > filtration titled " Don't drink the water, the essential guide to

> > >our

> > > > contaminated drinking water and what you can do about it " . The

> > >author

> > > > is Luno Kahuna Kupua A'O (from Hawaii). The book was published

>in

> > > > 1998.

> > > >

> > > > In summary, he states that it IS possible to remove fluoride

> > >without

> > > > a RO system while retaining healthy minerals!

> > > >

> > > > At the end of the book, he offers the following recommendation:

> > > >

> > > > " At the time of this writing, the best overall choice for most

> > >people

> > > > appears to be either dual or triple canister systems employing

> > > > standard cartridges that can be easily replaced. The heart of

>the

> > > > system uses a KDF/granular activated carbon cartridge to remove

> > > > chlorine, its associated DBPs, VOCs and other harmful organic

>and

> > > > inorganic chemicals, and heavy metals. This cartridge should

> > >precede

> > > > a second stage carbon block cartridge that will block the cysts

>of

> > > > organisms like Giardia and Cryptosporidium, as well as remove

> > >certain

> > > > other organic compounds that may have gotten through the first

> > > > cartridge. When KDF meida is used as a prefilter, it will aid in

> > > > keeping the carbon media bacteriostatic, and help it to last far

> > > > longer. "

> > > >

> > > > " If fluoride is a problem, these stages may be followed by a

>third

> > > > stage which employs a cartridge specially designed to remove

> > >fluoride

> > > > effectively. "

> > > >

> > > > " This type of system can be more effective than reverse-osmosis

>at

> > > > removing most kinds of harmful contaminants; it is less

>expensive

> > >to

> > > > buy, install, and maintain, and it doesn't waste water. Best of

> > >all,

> > > > it doesn't remove healthful minerals such as calcium, potassium,

> > > > magnesium, and phosphorus which exist in water in their most

> > > > bioavailable form. "

> > > >

> > > > I have found several filters for sale meeting this description

>by

> > > > doing a web search on KDF/fluoride/undercounter. I am

>considering

> > >one

> > > > for purchase. I have decided against the wholly-water filter

> > >because

> > > > it releases the toxic elements back into the public water

>system,

> > >and

> > > > I can get one of these other ones instead which won't do this.

> > > >

> > > > Just an update for anyone who might be interested!

> > > >

> > > > , Rochester NY

> > >

> >

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February 12, 2002

We have used an RO system for the past 18 years, all our children's lives. Our

dentist (who is health-centered in his thinking), believes this has contributed

to our children's tooth decay problems. We never knew about replacing the lost

minerals. It is all making sense now.

Shari

----- Original Message -----

From: radlife2002

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

One more thing - I am still working on compiling a series of " smoking

guns " that prove that it is most often better to remove the minerals

found in water (along with any toxins) and then add small amounts of

ionic, " organic " minerals. If anyone has come across studies or

other hard evidence either way (even personal reports) I would love

to hear about them.

Thanks!

February 12, 2002

If it is " better " to remove naturally occuring " minerals found in water, " how

did the human race survive before they had the technology to do that?

----- Original Message -----

From: radlife2002

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

One more thing - I am still working on compiling a series of " smoking

guns " that prove that it is most often better to remove the minerals

found in water (along with any toxins) and then add small amounts of

ionic, " organic " minerals. If anyone has come across studies or

other hard evidence either way (even personal reports) I would love

to hear about them.

Thanks!

February 12, 2002

wrote:

> These tiny mineral particles have the effect of lowering surface tension

> and raising the energy/zeta potential of the water which allows the water

> to be more easily utilized by the body.

I would really like to hear some explanations of what is being referred to

when people talk water's energy. The same goes for the effects of microwave

ovens on food (I'm still not really clear on what those effects are either).

When we talk about these things are we talking about reproducible laboratory

findings that have at least some kind of scientific backing (even if

controversial)?

Any and all clarifications and references are appreciated! Anyone with

unpopular clarifications or references is invited to email me offlist if

they'd prefer. Thanks!

February 12, 2002

You might check out " Your Body's Many Cries For Water " by F.

Batmanghelidj, MD. If I remember correctly he gives scientifiic evidence

for water's energy.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:42:31 -0600 Kroyer

<skroyer@...> writes:

wrote:

> These tiny mineral particles have the effect of lowering surface

tension

> and raising the energy/zeta potential of the water which allows the

water

> to be more easily utilized by the body.

I would really like to hear some explanations of what is being referred

to

when people talk water's energy. The same goes for the effects of

microwave

ovens on food (I'm still not really clear on what those effects are

either).

When we talk about these things are we talking about reproducible

laboratory

findings that have at least some kind of scientific backing (even if

controversial)?

Any and all clarifications and references are appreciated! Anyone with

unpopular clarifications or references is invited to email me offlist if

they'd prefer. Thanks!

February 12, 2002

>The same goes for the effects of microwave

>ovens on food (I'm still not really clear on what those effects are either).

I can muddy up the waters here a bit. <g>

My understanding is that while microwaves act primarily by heating the

water in whatever food or drink you put in them, the heating is not uniform

on a microscopic level. It can seem uniform on a macro level when you take

the food out and it seems evenly-heated (or it can seem uneven if part of

the food is cold and part is hot) but on a microscopic level, the microwave

radiation creates tiny superheated bubbles of water. The heat flows out

from those bubbles so that the food winds up being more or less evenly

heated, but while those bubbles are still super-heated, they damage,

destroy, and alter many important compounds in food.

I believe there's some research indicating that bad things happen to people

who eat microwaved food, but I don't have any of it at hand.

-

February 13, 2002

, you echo my sentiments exactly. If you receive anything on this subject,

I'd be grateful if you would share.

nancydancy@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Kroyer

' '

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:42 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

wrote:

> These tiny mineral particles have the effect of lowering surface tension

> and raising the energy/zeta potential of the water which allows the water

> to be more easily utilized by the body.

I would really like to hear some explanations of what is being referred to

when people talk water's energy. The same goes for the effects of microwave

ovens on food (I'm still not really clear on what those effects are either).

When we talk about these things are we talking about reproducible laboratory

findings that have at least some kind of scientific backing (even if

controversial)?

Any and all clarifications and references are appreciated! Anyone with

unpopular clarifications or references is invited to email me offlist if

they'd prefer. Thanks!

February 13, 2002

,

I have been trying to find a good way to get high electron water for some time.

I use to have a flow-through ionizer but it did not filter out flouride. I've

used a " batch " ionizer but it is a pain to use (I don't want to have to make

that much water). The batch system also creates water that is too alkaline

(above pH of 10). I don't like the idea of adding products to the water such as

crystal energy or microhydrin. What is the " Q " device? Is it added to a water

purif system and if so, does it have to go with your particular system or can I

add it to my already existing RO system? How does the Q add electrons? Does it

alter ph? How much does it cost? What is the redox value of the water created

with this device and can it be adjusted? Does it change the surface tension? So

many questions! I looked for it on your website but didn't see it.

Thanks,

Barb

Electron-enrichment by the way is one of

the objectives of our water system and of the " Q " which is an

incredible new device that essentially bathes the body in

regenerating electrons to use however our innate intelligence sees

fit.)

> If it is " better " to remove naturally occuring " minerals found in

water, " how did the human race survive before they had the technology

to do that?

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: radlife2002

> @y...

> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:52 PM

> Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

>

> One more thing - I am still working on compiling a series

of " smoking

> guns " that prove that it is most often better to remove the

minerals

> found in water (along with any toxins) and then add small amounts

of

> ionic, " organic " minerals. If anyone has come across studies or

> other hard evidence either way (even personal reports) I would

love

> to hear about them.

>

> Thanks!

>

February 13, 2002

or anyone,

Just wondering if you've had any experience with the Grander Water System?

Thanks!

Pam from Iowa

-----Original Message-----

From: radlife2002 [mailto:radiantlife@...]

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:02 PM

Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

,

With respect to water there are a number of ways to measure " energy "

content and other related properties. The most obvious is to look at

oxidation-reduction potential (ORP) which measures the electron

content (including H-). ORP is kind of the opposite of pH which

measures hydrion ions (H+). I have used an ORP meter to measure

fresh wheatgrass juice (-100mV) which is about the best reading we

have found from food or juice sources. You can also test your

favorite antioxidants which if good will often be in that same (-

100mV) range, give or take 75. The two best ORP readings we have seen

have been from Microhydrin (@-750mV) and the Q, which measures in at -

1000mV without one's body in the same water.

It is also possible to ascertain a sort of total energetic frequency

measurement of a person or thing using an incredible computer program

called the Quantum Xeroid from a Hungarian genius. Believe it or

not, it can measure total frequency with astounding accuracy whether

or not it is in proximity or at a distance. May sound woo-woo but it

is just an scientific instrument that is beyond the range of

traditional paradigms....

There is also a digital Kirlian photography technique which I just

ran into, and it looks like it may be a promising way to measure the

subtle energies/properties in a given sample of water. (I hope to be

able to try it out this month!)

Surface tension can be measured with a tensiometer very accurately

and I believe that this is in relationship with the zeta potential,

which is another energetic measurement of water.

Then there are the energetic memory aspects of water which make

homeopathy a possibility. Water seems to have an energetic memory

that is affected by everything it comes into contact with. Any

homeopath can say more about this. Also do a search for " Messages

from Water " to learn about this. This Japanese scientist has

developed a technique for photographing forming ice crystals made by

different waters - remarkable study - and I would love to see this

duplicated and replicated in other labs.

As for microwave ovens, I have been told that the microwaves force a

certain polarity or spin of a component of the water molecules to

oscillate very fast which leads to heat. This oscillation is not

natural and evidently gives food unhealthful qualities. There are

probably other negative parts of this process as well....

Cheers,

> > These tiny mineral particles have the effect of lowering surface

tension

> > and raising the energy/zeta potential of the water which allows

the water

> > to be more easily utilized by the body.

>

> I would really like to hear some explanations of what is being

referred to

> when people talk water's energy. The same goes for the effects of

microwave

> ovens on food (I'm still not really clear on what those effects are

either).

> When we talk about these things are we talking about reproducible

laboratory

> findings that have at least some kind of scientific backing (even if

> controversial)?

>

> Any and all clarifications and references are appreciated! Anyone

with

> unpopular clarifications or references is invited to email me

offlist if

> they'd prefer. Thanks!

>

February 13, 2002

In the good old days there was no doubt lots of good water around in streams

and springs. Now chemicals contaminate so much of our water. And I guess

it's not surprising that some wells are too highly mineralized to be used as

an exclusive source of water, since down deep in the earth is where the

minerals come from.

Peace,

Kris , gardening in northwest Ohio

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis <nancydancy@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

> If it is " better " to remove naturally occuring " minerals found in water, "

how did the human race survive before they had the technology to do that?

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: radlife2002

>

> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:52 PM

> Subject: Re: Water filters and fluoride removal

>

> One more thing - I am still working on compiling a series of " smoking

> guns " that prove that it is most often better to remove the minerals

> found in water (along with any toxins) and then add small amounts of

> ionic, " organic " minerals. If anyone has come across studies or

> other hard evidence either way (even personal reports) I would love

> to hear about them.

>

> Thanks!

>

February 13, 2002

Pam,

I had a friend who was doing informal testing with the Grander unit - he grew

plants with the grander water and without and also testing the length of life

for cut flowers with and without grander. In all cases the plants and flowers

which got the grander water were bigger, healthier and lasted longer. He also

used the grander unit to fill a large swimming pool and found that he didn't

need to use as many chemicals to keep the water algae free. I tried the grander

blue water once and it did have a good effect on me. Then I got one of the

grander boards and can't really tell if it makes a difference. I've read books,

seen videos and talked extensively to sales reps about grander. It is an

interesting concept and I'm sure there is something to it, it is just a little

hard to know how it really works.

Barb

or anyone,

Just wondering if you've had any experience with the Grander Water

System?