Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 As a chiropractor, dealing with structure and nutrition is what I do all day and I think I can create a little clarity here. It is my experience that the nutrition of the child and mother from even pre conception and certainly post delivery is what determines size and full structural growth (actual bone development) of the child's head, face, dental arch, etc... this aspect of the child's development is only impacted by breastfeeding in that a well fed mom make the most extraordinary nutrition any baby could have. The actual mechanics of suckling at the breast don't play a role here. HOWEVER the actual mechanics of suckling at breast are essential for this development to happen properly and to its maximum and here's why. The mechanical suckling of the breast as most other natural occurances cannot be simulated by a bottle or pacifier or anything else for that matter. The events surrounding breast suckling involve the actual movement and positioning of the childs facial and skull structures. The suckling actually allows for full range of movement to occur in these structures. An example of this is there are times where you will see a newborn delivered with a remarkably mishapen head and almost immediately right before your eyes when the child begins to nurse the head will reshape with a certain pumping like action, it is a morphing that is quite remarkable. So as you may have assumed both are essential for full development only they effect two different aspects of the development process. An analogy that might work for this is if you have a broken bone that is not properly positioned it needs to be reset. If it is not reset even with perfect nutrition it will be deformed. If you reset it but don't provide the necessary nutrition for optimal healing it will be weak and under developed. The same senario with the breastfeeding of the infant mechanically it allows the structures to move freely and receive the maximum nutrition and have the room to fully develop. As for the length of time for nursing and the effect there, the longer the better however Sally makes a good point that excellent development has been attained in less than a maximal amount of time. Sincerely, Dr. Marasco,BS,DC Cincinnati, Oh --- In @y..., " Alison " <ackermurphy@y...> wrote: > Barb, > > Thanks for the posting that information on the formation of the palate and the head shape. Do you have any references or links on this that I could write down or bookmark? I'd really like to have this information documented for dissemenation to others. > > I also wonder if anyone knows somone who does cranio-sacral therapy? My understanding is that this type of chiropractic focuses on aligning the bones in the head. I wonder if a practioner could tell the difference between someone who was breastfed " long-term " ie not weaned or encouraged to wean before 2 years of age, and someone who wasn't breastfed at all. > > Sally, > > Here's a quote from " The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding " Sixth revised edition p.358 (you can look up the names of the studies on p. 450 if you want to look up and analyse the actual information,) > > " Researchers from Hopkins School of Public Health reported on a study of nearly 10,000 children in which they found that the longer the duration of breastfeeding, the lower the incidence of malocclusion. Children who were breastfed for a year or more required 40% less orthodontia than those who were bottle-fed. " > > IMO 40% is significant! > Also, while there may be some benefit from sucking on bottles and thumbs as opposed to nothing at all, breast is best. The way in which a baby sucks at the breast and the muscles that are used are completely different from the way a baby sucks a bottle (even with a so called orthodontic nipple) or a thumb. Facial development IS affected and some studies have found that speech is too. > > Love in Christ, > Alison > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 I think it's important to realize that a number of factors must contribute to the issue of palate and head shape. Otherwise, how would we account for people that were not breast-fed and have good bone structure. My parents have extremely wide faces and straight teeth - neither was breast-fed. I have straight teeth, two wisdom teeth impacted, not breast-fed. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Alison " <ackermurphy@...> < > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: breastfeeding and palate development Barb, Thanks for the posting that information on the formation of the palate and the head shape. Do you have any references or links on this that I could write down or bookmark? I'd really like to have this information documented for dissemenation to others. I also wonder if anyone knows somone who does cranio-sacral therapy? My understanding is that this type of chiropractic focuses on aligning the bones in the head. I wonder if a practioner could tell the difference between someone who was breastfed " long-term " ie not weaned or encouraged to wean before 2 years of age, and someone who wasn't breastfed at all. Sally, Here's a quote from " The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding " Sixth revised edition p.358 (you can look up the names of the studies on p. 450 if you want to look up and analyse the actual information,) " Researchers from Hopkins School of Public Health reported on a study of nearly 10,000 children in which they found that the longer the duration of breastfeeding, the lower the incidence of malocclusion. Children who were breastfed for a year or more required 40% less orthodontia than those who were bottle-fed. " IMO 40% is significant! Also, while there may be some benefit from sucking on bottles and thumbs as opposed to nothing at all, breast is best. The way in which a baby sucks at the breast and the muscles that are used are completely different from the way a baby sucks a bottle (even with a so called orthodontic nipple) or a thumb. Facial development IS affected and some studies have found that speech is too. Love in Christ, Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Dear Deanna, I would agree that there are definetly many factors that figure in here. However for the sake of this conversation I believe we are speaking of what is optimal for creating optimal bone structure and health. Remember the idea is not to create straight teeth the idea is to be as healthy and develop as well as possible the dental arches and teeth are just the by product of being well and well developed. Along those lines it is not possible to have optimal development in any specific part of the body without proper nutrition and care. When speaking of the facial and cranial structures can people have reasonably good structures if they did not breastfeed and other environmental concerns were minimal? Sure. However, it is no more possible to develop an optimal dental arch without breast feeding and excellent nutrition at least for a little while than it is possible to learn to speak optimal english without learning the letter B. Many paragraphs could be spoken excellently without the letter B however when something so early in development is left out it is lost forever and optimal is no longer an option. I agree it is sad, however there are things necessary for optimal development and breastfeeding is one. I would suggest that you are 100% correct in stating that in this day and age for you to have straight teeth and wide face without breastfeeding is unusual and terrific I might add, however the fact that you have two impacted wisdom teeth clearly demonstrates that there is a less than optimal situation there. And this is where getting as many neonatal needs as possible met comes in. Sincerely, Dr. Marasco,BS,DC Cincinnati, OH > I think it's important to realize that a number of factors must contribute > to the issue of palate and head shape. Otherwise, how would we account for > people that were not breast-fed and have good bone structure. > > My parents have extremely wide faces and straight teeth - neither was > breast-fed. I have straight teeth, two wisdom teeth impacted, not > breast-fed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Alison " <ackermurphy@y...> > < @y...> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: breastfeeding and palate development > > > Barb, > > Thanks for the posting that information on the formation of the palate and > the head shape. Do you have any references or links on this that I could > write down or bookmark? I'd really like to have this information documented > for dissemenation to others. > > I also wonder if anyone knows somone who does cranio-sacral therapy? My > understanding is that this type of chiropractic focuses on aligning the > bones in the head. I wonder if a practioner could tell the difference > between someone who was breastfed " long-term " ie not weaned or encouraged to > wean before 2 years of age, and someone who wasn't breastfed at all. > > Sally, > > Here's a quote from " The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding " Sixth revised edition > p.358 (you can look up the names of the studies on p. 450 if you want to > look up and analyse the actual information,) > > " Researchers from Hopkins School of Public Health reported on a study > of nearly 10,000 children in which they found that the longer the duration > of breastfeeding, the lower the incidence of malocclusion. Children who were > breastfed for a year or more required 40% less orthodontia than those who > were bottle-fed. " > > IMO 40% is significant! > Also, while there may be some benefit from sucking on bottles and thumbs as > opposed to nothing at all, breast is best. The way in which a baby sucks at > the breast and the muscles that are used are completely different from the > way a baby sucks a bottle (even with a so called orthodontic nipple) or a > thumb. Facial development IS affected and some studies have found that > speech is too. > > Love in Christ, > Alison > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Alison, I don't really have any good references regarding sucking and its influence on head shape - but here are some links that touch on it. The last link is not really about infants but more about an emerging field of chiropractic and dentistry which works to improve cranial structure/function via dental appliances and changing the palate. http://www.osteodoc.com/birthtrauma.html http://www.ccst.co.uk/articles3.htm www.chirodontics.com My understanding (based on working with good osteopaths and chiropractors who are specialized in cranial mechanisms and on my own training in cranial sacral therapy) is that the skull expands and narrows in a rhythmical fashion. These motions are referred to as flexion (widening of the entire skull) and extension (narrowing). This natural movement may not be working properly due to cranial strains...for instance, there could be a restriction that stops the head from going into flexion. If this went on long enough, the person would have a more narrow head and palate and the teeth wouldn't have room to come in (not that straight teeth are what we are concerned about, but it could be one of the symptoms of a strain which restricts flexion). A cranial practitioner could release this strain (often by using light finger pressure on the palate) to allow the head to move into flexion and thus widening the palate and skull to where it would normally go if the strain hadn't been present. Releasing the strain isn't going to make the bones grow more, necessarily, it is just going to change the relationship of the bones to each other which is going to change the appearance and function of the skull. Sucking, particularly on the breast but also in other ways, helps trigger cranial motion. If cranial motion is stopped in someway, it is possible that sucking/breastfeeding would be enough to get things going again. This is probably the case with normal, healthy, well fed infants. Other infants might need intervention to get things moving right. Some infants may not even be able to suck/breast feed because of cranial problems and would need intervention to help them feed. If I were in need of cranial work for a child/infant, I would first look for a good osteopath or chiropractor (preferably one certified as a craniopath) before I would look for a cranial sacral therapist. Some cranial sacral therapists are very good but generally they don't have the expertise or training that a really good osteopath or chiropractor could have (unfortunately, most osetopaths and chiropractors aren't trained in cranial work though). If you want to find a cranial sacral therapist, you can contact the Upledger Institute and they can refer to you someone... www.upledger.com I've been working with children with developmental problems for over 16 years and IMO, next to nutrition, the most important thing to their health and development is cranial and upper cervical factors (and of course loving, nurturing parents). Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: breastfeeding and palate development Barb, Thanks for the posting that information on the formation of the palate and the head shape. Do you have any references or links on this that I could write down or bookmark? I'd really like to have this information documented for dissemenation to others. I also wonder if anyone knows somone who does cranio-sacral therapy? My understanding is that this type of chiropractic focuses on aligning the bones in the head. I wonder if a practioner could tell the difference between someone who was breastfed " long-term " ie not weaned or encouraged to wean before 2 years of age, and someone who wasn't breastfed at all. Sally, Here's a quote from " The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding " Sixth revised edition p.358 (you can look up the names of the studies on p. 450 if you want to look up and analyse the actual information,) " Researchers from Hopkins School of Public Health reported on a study of nearly 10,000 children in which they found that the longer the duration of breastfeeding, the lower the incidence of malocclusion. Children who were breastfed for a year or more required 40% less orthodontia than those who were bottle-fed. " IMO 40% is significant! Also, while there may be some benefit from sucking on bottles and thumbs as opposed to nothing at all, breast is best. The way in which a baby sucks at the breast and the muscles that are used are completely different from the way a baby sucks a bottle (even with a so called orthodontic nipple) or a thumb. Facial development IS affected and some studies have found that speech is too. Love in Christ, Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 for some references from animal studies in which mastication, weaning and nutrition were manipulated, do a PubMed http://www4.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/ search for: cranial development weaning i just did this. although there are few, these studies are very interesting. granted, i'm not familiar with the bone terminology, but the results are easy to understand: interfering with mother nature changes our physical appearance. (and the media thinks the answer is the Human Genome Project!) ----- Original Message ----- From: " Barb Carr " <bdcarr@...> < > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: breastfeeding and palate development Alison, I don't really have any good references regarding sucking and its influence on head shape - but here are some links that touch on it. The last link is not really about infants but more about an emerging field of chiropractic and dentistry which works to improve cranial structure/function via dental appliances and changing the palate. http://www.osteodoc.com/birthtrauma.html http://www.ccst.co.uk/articles3.htm www.chirodontics.com My understanding (based on working with good osteopaths and chiropractors who are specialized in cranial mechanisms and on my own training in cranial sacral therapy) is that the skull expands and narrows in a rhythmical fashion. These motions are referred to as flexion (widening of the entire skull) and extension (narrowing). This natural movement may not be working properly due to cranial strains...for instance, there could be a restriction that stops the head from going into flexion. If this went on long enough, the person would have a more narrow head and palate and the teeth wouldn't have room to come in (not that straight teeth are what we are concerned about, but it could be one of the symptoms of a strain which restricts flexion). A cranial practitioner could release this strain (often by using light finger pressure on the palate) to allow the head to move into flexion and thus widening the palate and skull to where it would normally go if the strain hadn't been present. Releasing the strain isn't going to make the bones grow more, necessarily, it is just going to change the relationship of the bones to each other which is going to change the appearance and function of the skull. Sucking, particularly on the breast but also in other ways, helps trigger cranial motion. If cranial motion is stopped in someway, it is possible that sucking/breastfeeding would be enough to get things going again. This is probably the case with normal, healthy, well fed infants. Other infants might need intervention to get things moving right. Some infants may not even be able to suck/breast feed because of cranial problems and would need intervention to help them feed. If I were in need of cranial work for a child/infant, I would first look for a good osteopath or chiropractor (preferably one certified as a craniopath) before I would look for a cranial sacral therapist. Some cranial sacral therapists are very good but generally they don't have the expertise or training that a really good osteopath or chiropractor could have (unfortunately, most osetopaths and chiropractors aren't trained in cranial work though). If you want to find a cranial sacral therapist, you can contact the Upledger Institute and they can refer to you someone... www.upledger.com I've been working with children with developmental problems for over 16 years and IMO, next to nutrition, the most important thing to their health and development is cranial and upper cervical factors (and of course loving, nurturing parents). Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: breastfeeding and palate development Barb, Thanks for the posting that information on the formation of the palate and the head shape. Do you have any references or links on this that I could write down or bookmark? I'd really like to have this information documented for dissemenation to others. I also wonder if anyone knows somone who does cranio-sacral therapy? My understanding is that this type of chiropractic focuses on aligning the bones in the head. I wonder if a practioner could tell the difference between someone who was breastfed " long-term " ie not weaned or encouraged to wean before 2 years of age, and someone who wasn't breastfed at all. Sally, Here's a quote from " The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding " Sixth revised edition p.358 (you can look up the names of the studies on p. 450 if you want to look up and analyse the actual information,) " Researchers from Hopkins School of Public Health reported on a study of nearly 10,000 children in which they found that the longer the duration of breastfeeding, the lower the incidence of malocclusion. Children who were breastfed for a year or more required 40% less orthodontia than those who were bottle-fed. " IMO 40% is significant! Also, while there may be some benefit from sucking on bottles and thumbs as opposed to nothing at all, breast is best. The way in which a baby sucks at the breast and the muscles that are used are completely different from the way a baby sucks a bottle (even with a so called orthodontic nipple) or a thumb. Facial development IS affected and some studies have found that speech is too. Love in Christ, Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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