Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 It would be a lot cheaper to get a Doulton/British Berkefield ceramic system to take somewhere and make water potable. This system is designed to take on the road and make muddy giardia filled water drinkable and it looks like it would do a good job. It is not designed to take all the contaminants out though - just to make portable potable water. Good for what it does, though expensive. I hope this gent makes better water systems than air systems though. Did Alpine Air go under? I know it was having lots of problems. > Since this list has been on the water filtration subject of late, I was wondering if there were any thoughts or knowledge about the " Living Water Oasis " . The gentleman that invented this is the one that has made the Alpine air filters. It basically has the three filter system that comes with most RO units I know about, but also has a UV light chamber that the water runs through. When it comes out of the machine it has a light hydrogen peroxide taste that dissipates after 30 minutes if left sitting. Anyone familiar with it? > Shari > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air purifiers? Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: radlife2002 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis It would be a lot cheaper to get a Doulton/British Berkefield ceramic system to take somewhere and make water potable. This system is designed to take on the road and make muddy giardia filled water drinkable and it looks like it would do a good job. It is not designed to take all the contaminants out though - just to make portable potable water. Good for what it does, though expensive. I hope this gent makes better water systems than air systems though. Did Alpine Air go under? I know it was having lots of problems. > Since this list has been on the water filtration subject of late, I was wondering if there were any thoughts or knowledge about the " Living Water Oasis " . The gentleman that invented this is the one that has made the Alpine air filters. It basically has the three filter system that comes with most RO units I know about, but also has a UV light chamber that the water runs through. When it comes out of the machine it has a light hydrogen peroxide taste that dissipates after 30 minutes if left sitting. Anyone familiar with it? > Shari > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Hi Shari, Since you ask, years ago we have had nightmares dealing with Alpine co., had lots of problems with the units, and then the lawsuits began to fly over false claims and then toxic by-products of the ozone units. Now we avoid Alpine air purifiers both because of the company and the technology itself. Maybe you have had a different experience? C > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air purifiers? > Shari > ----- Original Message ----- > From: radlife2002 > @y... > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis > > > It would be a lot cheaper to get a Doulton/British Berkefield ceramic > system to take somewhere and make water potable. This system is > designed to take on the road and make muddy giardia filled water > drinkable and it looks like it would do a good job. It is not > designed to take all the contaminants out though - just to make > portable potable water. Good for what it does, though expensive. > > I hope this gent makes better water systems than air systems though. > Did Alpine Air go under? I know it was having lots of problems. > > > > --- In @y..., " sharon wagner " <asejmlae@s...> wrote: > > Since this list has been on the water filtration subject of late, I > was wondering if there were any thoughts or knowledge about > the " Living Water Oasis " . The gentleman that invented this is the > one that has made the Alpine air filters. It basically has the three > filter system that comes with most RO units I know about, but also > has a UV light chamber that the water runs through. When it comes > out of the machine it has a light hydrogen peroxide taste that > dissipates after 30 minutes if left sitting. Anyone familiar with it? > > Shari > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Shari wrote: > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air > purifiers? While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it is a pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance which is what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile organic compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc. However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless substances, it breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of ozone based systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They then turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at various intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it was replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were equally toxic. Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order to issue smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is believed to increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a risk factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper-reactive oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free-radicals that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer. It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe thing to introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great. However, I don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no danger to people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and large amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts either. Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in the air, there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are exposed to it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as safe simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level toxicity is just as dangerous. Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers: http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog: http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/ Article on dangers of ground level ozone: http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php Hope that helps! Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Well put, . We only use ozonation now when we want to literally burn out an aroma from a carpet, car, or something - and we would put the unit in the area, close it up, leave, air it out, then return to the area. I know people who have their ozone units turned on in their bedrooms thinking that it is keeping the air fresh. Bad idea. > > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name > > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air > > purifiers? > > While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it is a > pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance which is > what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy > bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile organic > compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc. > However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless substances, it > breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of ozone based > systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They then > turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at various > intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it was > replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were equally > toxic. > > Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order to issue > smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is believed to > increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a risk > factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper- reactive > oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free- radicals > that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for > anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer. > > It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe thing to > introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great. However, I > don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The > manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no danger to > people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and large > amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts either. > Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in the air, > there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are exposed to > it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as safe > simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level toxicity is > just as dangerous. > > Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers: > http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm > > Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog: > http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/ > > Article on dangers of ground level ozone: > http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php > > Hope that helps! > > > Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Yes, I actually think there may be a legitimate use for ozone in deodorizing, disinfecting, and neutralizing allergens in an uninhabited space, but using it on an ongoing basis for the living quarters seems like a really bad idea. I've heard that some businesses will use ozone overnight and let the ventilation clear it back out to EPA allowable levels before the business reopens. That seems like it might be an OK use of it. -----Original Message----- From: radlife2002 [mailto:radiantlife@...] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis Well put, . We only use ozonation now when we want to literally burn out an aroma from a carpet, car, or something - and we would put the unit in the area, close it up, leave, air it out, then return to the area. I know people who have their ozone units turned on in their bedrooms thinking that it is keeping the air fresh. Bad idea. > > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name > > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air > > purifiers? > > While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it is a > pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance which is > what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy > bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile organic > compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc. > However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless substances, it > breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of ozone based > systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They then > turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at various > intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it was > replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were equally > toxic. > > Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order to issue > smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is believed to > increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a risk > factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper- reactive > oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free- radicals > that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for > anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer. > > It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe thing to > introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great. However, I > don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The > manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no danger to > people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and large > amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts either. > Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in the air, > there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are exposed to > it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as safe > simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level toxicity is > just as dangerous. > > Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers: > http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm > > Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog: > http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/ > > Article on dangers of ground level ozone: > http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php > > Hope that helps! > > > Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 And, in businesses, the copy machine room is often in a closed space. Ozone is emitted from the electrostatic types of copy machines and printers (that use a xerographic, high-voltage method). These rooms should not only be open but ventilated well! -=mark=- At 01:42 PM 2/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Yes, I actually think there may be a legitimate use for ozone in >deodorizing, disinfecting, and neutralizing allergens in an uninhabited >space, but using it on an ongoing basis for the living quarters seems like a >really bad idea. I've heard that some businesses will use ozone overnight >and let the ventilation clear it back out to EPA allowable levels before the >business reopens. That seems like it might be an OK use of it. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: radlife2002 [mailto:radiantlife@...] >Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:23 PM > >Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis > > >Well put, . We only use ozonation now when we want to literally >burn out an aroma from a carpet, car, or something - and we would put >the unit in the area, close it up, leave, air it out, then return to >the area. I know people who have their ozone units turned on in >their bedrooms thinking that it is keeping the air fresh. Bad idea. > > > > > > > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name > > > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air > > > purifiers? > > > > While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it >is a > > pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance >which is > > what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy > > bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile >organic > > compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc. > > However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless >substances, it > > breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of >ozone based > > systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They >then > > turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at >various > > intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it >was > > replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were >equally > > toxic. > > > > Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order >to issue > > smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is >believed to > > increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a >risk > > factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper- >reactive > > oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free- >radicals > > that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for > > anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer. > > > > It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe >thing to > > introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great. >However, I > > don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The > > manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no >danger to > > people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and >large > > amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts >either. > > Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in >the air, > > there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are >exposed to > > it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as >safe > > simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level >toxicity is > > just as dangerous. > > > > Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers: > > http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm > > > > Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog: > > http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/ > > > > Article on dangers of ground level ozone: > > http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php > > > > Hope that helps! > > > > > > Minneapolis > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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