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It would be a lot cheaper to get a Doulton/British Berkefield ceramic

system to take somewhere and make water potable. This system is

designed to take on the road and make muddy giardia filled water

drinkable and it looks like it would do a good job. It is not

designed to take all the contaminants out though - just to make

portable potable water. Good for what it does, though expensive.

I hope this gent makes better water systems than air systems though.

Did Alpine Air go under? I know it was having lots of problems.

> Since this list has been on the water filtration subject of late, I

was wondering if there were any thoughts or knowledge about

the " Living Water Oasis " . The gentleman that invented this is the

one that has made the Alpine air filters. It basically has the three

filter system that comes with most RO units I know about, but also

has a UV light chamber that the water runs through. When it comes

out of the machine it has a light hydrogen peroxide taste that

dissipates after 30 minutes if left sitting. Anyone familiar with it?

> Shari

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No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name Eco-systems, I believe.

Why don't you like their air purifiers?

Shari

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From: radlife2002

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis

It would be a lot cheaper to get a Doulton/British Berkefield ceramic

system to take somewhere and make water potable. This system is

designed to take on the road and make muddy giardia filled water

drinkable and it looks like it would do a good job. It is not

designed to take all the contaminants out though - just to make

portable potable water. Good for what it does, though expensive.

I hope this gent makes better water systems than air systems though.

Did Alpine Air go under? I know it was having lots of problems.

> Since this list has been on the water filtration subject of late, I

was wondering if there were any thoughts or knowledge about

the " Living Water Oasis " . The gentleman that invented this is the

one that has made the Alpine air filters. It basically has the three

filter system that comes with most RO units I know about, but also

has a UV light chamber that the water runs through. When it comes

out of the machine it has a light hydrogen peroxide taste that

dissipates after 30 minutes if left sitting. Anyone familiar with it?

> Shari

>

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Hi Shari,

Since you ask, years ago we have had nightmares dealing with Alpine

co., had lots of problems with the units, and then the lawsuits began

to fly over false claims and then toxic by-products of the ozone

units. Now we avoid Alpine air purifiers both because of the company

and the technology itself. Maybe you have had a different experience?

C

> No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name Eco-systems, I

believe. Why don't you like their air purifiers?

> Shari

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: radlife2002

> @y...

> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis

>

>

> It would be a lot cheaper to get a Doulton/British Berkefield

ceramic

> system to take somewhere and make water potable. This system is

> designed to take on the road and make muddy giardia filled water

> drinkable and it looks like it would do a good job. It is not

> designed to take all the contaminants out though - just to make

> portable potable water. Good for what it does, though expensive.

>

> I hope this gent makes better water systems than air systems

though.

> Did Alpine Air go under? I know it was having lots of problems.

>

>

>

> --- In @y..., " sharon wagner " <asejmlae@s...>

wrote:

> > Since this list has been on the water filtration subject of

late, I

> was wondering if there were any thoughts or knowledge about

> the " Living Water Oasis " . The gentleman that invented this is

the

> one that has made the Alpine air filters. It basically has the

three

> filter system that comes with most RO units I know about, but

also

> has a UV light chamber that the water runs through. When it

comes

> out of the machine it has a light hydrogen peroxide taste that

> dissipates after 30 minutes if left sitting. Anyone familiar

with it?

> > Shari

> >

> >

> >

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Shari wrote:

> No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name

> Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air

> purifiers?

While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it is a

pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance which is

what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy

bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile organic

compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc.

However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless substances, it

breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of ozone based

systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They then

turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at various

intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it was

replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were equally

toxic.

Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order to issue

smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is believed to

increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a risk

factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper-reactive

oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free-radicals

that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for

anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer.

It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe thing to

introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great. However, I

don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The

manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no danger to

people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and large

amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts either.

Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in the air,

there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are exposed to

it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as safe

simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level toxicity is

just as dangerous.

Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers:

http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm

Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog:

http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/

Article on dangers of ground level ozone:

http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php

Hope that helps!

Minneapolis

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Well put, . We only use ozonation now when we want to literally

burn out an aroma from a carpet, car, or something - and we would put

the unit in the area, close it up, leave, air it out, then return to

the area. I know people who have their ozone units turned on in

their bedrooms thinking that it is keeping the air fresh. Bad idea.

> > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name

> > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air

> > purifiers?

>

> While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it

is a

> pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance

which is

> what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy

> bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile

organic

> compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc.

> However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless

substances, it

> breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of

ozone based

> systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They

then

> turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at

various

> intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it

was

> replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were

equally

> toxic.

>

> Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order

to issue

> smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is

believed to

> increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a

risk

> factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper-

reactive

> oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free-

radicals

> that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for

> anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer.

>

> It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe

thing to

> introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great.

However, I

> don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The

> manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no

danger to

> people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and

large

> amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts

either.

> Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in

the air,

> there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are

exposed to

> it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as

safe

> simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level

toxicity is

> just as dangerous.

>

> Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers:

> http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm

>

> Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog:

> http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/

>

> Article on dangers of ground level ozone:

> http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php

>

> Hope that helps!

>

>

> Minneapolis

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Yes, I actually think there may be a legitimate use for ozone in

deodorizing, disinfecting, and neutralizing allergens in an uninhabited

space, but using it on an ongoing basis for the living quarters seems like a

really bad idea. I've heard that some businesses will use ozone overnight

and let the ventilation clear it back out to EPA allowable levels before the

business reopens. That seems like it might be an OK use of it.

-----Original Message-----

From: radlife2002 [mailto:radiantlife@...]

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:23 PM

Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis

Well put, . We only use ozonation now when we want to literally

burn out an aroma from a carpet, car, or something - and we would put

the unit in the area, close it up, leave, air it out, then return to

the area. I know people who have their ozone units turned on in

their bedrooms thinking that it is keeping the air fresh. Bad idea.

> > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name

> > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air

> > purifiers?

>

> While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it

is a

> pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance

which is

> what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy

> bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile

organic

> compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc.

> However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless

substances, it

> breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of

ozone based

> systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They

then

> turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at

various

> intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it

was

> replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were

equally

> toxic.

>

> Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order

to issue

> smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is

believed to

> increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a

risk

> factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper-

reactive

> oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free-

radicals

> that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for

> anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer.

>

> It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe

thing to

> introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great.

However, I

> don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The

> manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no

danger to

> people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and

large

> amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts

either.

> Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in

the air,

> there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are

exposed to

> it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as

safe

> simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level

toxicity is

> just as dangerous.

>

> Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers:

> http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm

>

> Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog:

> http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/

>

> Article on dangers of ground level ozone:

> http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php

>

> Hope that helps!

>

>

> Minneapolis

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And, in businesses, the copy machine room is often in a closed

space. Ozone is emitted from the electrostatic types of copy machines and

printers (that use a xerographic, high-voltage method). These rooms should

not only be open but ventilated well!

-=mark=-

At 01:42 PM 2/15/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>Yes, I actually think there may be a legitimate use for ozone in

>deodorizing, disinfecting, and neutralizing allergens in an uninhabited

>space, but using it on an ongoing basis for the living quarters seems like a

>really bad idea. I've heard that some businesses will use ozone overnight

>and let the ventilation clear it back out to EPA allowable levels before the

>business reopens. That seems like it might be an OK use of it.

>

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: radlife2002 [mailto:radiantlife@...]

>Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:23 PM

>

>Subject: Re: Living Water Oasis

>

>

>Well put, . We only use ozonation now when we want to literally

>burn out an aroma from a carpet, car, or something - and we would put

>the unit in the area, close it up, leave, air it out, then return to

>the area. I know people who have their ozone units turned on in

>their bedrooms thinking that it is keeping the air fresh. Bad idea.

>

>

>

>

> > > No, they still sell the air purifiers under the name

> > > Eco-systems, I believe. Why don't you like their air

> > > purifiers?

> >

> > While ozone is a great thing when it's in the upper atmosphere, it

>is a

> > pollutant at ground level. It is an extremely reactive substance

>which is

> > what allows it to act as a " purifier. " It can pretty easily destroy

> > bacteria, pollen, spores, etc. It will also break down volatile

>organic

> > compounds such as the fumes from carpet, paint, exhause fumes, etc.

> > However, it doesn't break such compounds down into harmless

>substances, it

> > breaks them down into other volatile compounds. During tests of

>ozone based

> > systems, scientists filled a room with a toxic organic gas. They

>then

> > turned on the ozone generator and tested the amounts of the gas at

>various

> > intervals. The orgininal gas indeed disappeared over time, but it

>was

> > replaced by a whole range of it's breakdown products which were

>equally

> > toxic.

> >

> > Ozone is the specific chemical monitored by large cities in order

>to issue

> > smog advisories for people with respiratory difficulties. It is

>believed to

> > increase the frequency and severity of asthma attacks and may be a

>risk

> > factor for developing asthma. Because ozone is essentially hyper-

>reactive

> > oxygen, breathing ozone essentially increases the amount of free-

>radicals

> > that a person is exposed to...potentially increasing the need for

> > anti-oxidants and increasing the risk of cancer.

> >

> > It's the ozone itself that is the problem. If ozone were a safe

>thing to

> > introduce to your home, I'm sure the system would be great.

>However, I

> > don't believe ozone has any business in the air in our homes. The

> > manufacturer claims that the amounts are so small that they are no

>danger to

> > people, but I'm of the belief that it isn't there naturally and

>large

> > amounts aren't good so we probably shouldn't add smaller amounts

>either.

> > Also, if there's enough to cause damage to the organic things in

>the air,

> > there's enough to cause damage to your organic tissues that are

>exposed to

> > it. I worry that the manufacturer is mistaking the low levels as

>safe

> > simply because they're not acutely toxic. Chronic low-level

>toxicity is

> > just as dangerous.

> >

> > Consumer information page on ozone air purifiers:

> > http://www.foustco.com/ozone.htm

> >

> > Here's a report on high ground level ozone levels due to smog:

> > http://www.pirg.org/reports/enviro/smog/

> >

> > Article on dangers of ground level ozone:

> > http://li.commuter.com/articles/0103/local1.php

> >

> > Hope that helps!

> >

> >

> > Minneapolis

>

>

>

>

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