Re: Re: Tastor Trip to see Dr. Cowden - Limin

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Dawnmarie,

Thank you for posting your trip to Phoenix. I read it with interest. How many LED treatments did the boys receive? How many hours or days apart between treatments? I can't wait to see your post on UTM result.

The scar stress, Rita referred to, can block the regulation of autonomic nervous system and cause ANS unable to self-regulate, obstructs lymph flow, and block blood flow. I delivered my children via C-section twice. Your post reminds me that I should ask Dr. to see if she can do anything to remove the blockage for me, when we go to see her in October.

I do not have all the answers to your questions, but I can share with you my experience and choices.

- The turnaround time to get answers from Dr. Cowden's office varies. Sometimes got back fast, if she knew the answers and didn't need to consult with Dr. Cowden. Sometimes it did take a while, especially when Dr. Cowden travelled quite a bit.

- I also have a NOS++ kid, so I picked and chose the recommended lipid supplements. LED yielded a very good result for us in cognitive development. But I had to admit that I have not always followed the good doctor's instructions. For example, I decided not to use LipoPhos EDTA for a couple of more reasons: 1) Ingvar has a history with several different forms/brands of EDTA, which made him spacey. 2). We have been chelating on Andy Cutler's protocol. He believes that EDTA is not suitable for a mercury toxic person. Boyd Haley has a similar comment, posted at the chelatingkids2 group. I might revisit this product, when Ingvar's mercury level drops, and when we need to focus on aluminum. I also needed to stop Zeolite HP shortly after I started. I gave it to Ingvar twice, and he vomited on both occasions. I believe that the body has intelligence and will try ways to get rid of things yucky to it.

- We rotated Cumanda and Banderol, which entirely reduced my son's OCD and panic attacks, but did not take care the yeast problem. I still needed to rotate 3 to 4 different natural anti-fungal to bring yeast under control. However, I did not implement anti-Candida diet successfully. Ingvar is really big with fresh fruits, and he went about to serve himself behind my back. I was not able to remove fruits from his diet.

- With CBS++ and SUOX+-, that is no doubt that a low sulfate diet was recommended. I do not think that you should mind the urine sulfate test result much, as it is only a spot test, and whatever the boys ate or didn't eat that day will affect the result. Ingvar's sulfate reading at Dr. Cowden's office was extremely high. I was initially shocked by the reading, because Ingvar only has a milder form of CBS, CBS A360A+-, and no SUOX variants. Then I immediately recalled that he was eating a bag of assorted nuts with dried cranberry on our way to Pheonix, and he finished all the cranberries from the bag. The dried fruit must contain sulfite.

Was any protein supplement recommended? Did Asyra also screen for the status of amino acids? What methylation support supplements were recommended?

Sorry if I dig out more questions than whatever information I am able to provide.

Limin

Re: Tastor Trip to see Dr. Cowden - Limin

Dawnmarie,Thank you so much for your post! I am continually amazed by these doctors. So many thought come when reading these.First point: Can't wait for Limin to reply to your questions. She's done Yasko, the herbs, Cowden himself and many additional LED's. She's the perfect one to answer many of your Yasko questions.Second point: This is not the first time I've heard of one of these doctors finding a scar stress before the parents told them. Dr Amy found one of my good friends child's stress injury before the mom told her as well. You will find the story on message #1220 in this group. My friend had also forgot to tell Dr. Amy about an injury that she found during initial testing. I have learned that scars & tramas are a very big thing to these doctors. What's amazing to me is that they find the stress before you tell them, validating the stress.Here's a shortend copy of her post to our WA group that totally backs up what you just experienced:"Another point of testing, she moved across his left elbow (point ofbreak from the above accident) She can't see his scar from longsleeves and I had forgot to tell her about this. C turned to herwhen she passed over it and yelled "OUCH" and Dr. Derksen got areaction back from C.One time, he came in and had to strip off his clothes. He was splotchy all over his back. Dr. Amy then saw his scar and said "That's what that was!" So I tell her the story of what happened. This will be treated also. It has rements of the tragidy still there. JUST what Theresa's Scio picked up with the 4X on her machine!"Third point: For the yeast. We have had good success with tackling yeast via cold laser. I'd have to recheck with her (all the treatments get mixed in my mind, but I think it's the GRT laser that she uses to sweep the gut with...Lorina, help me out here, Zanders had success with this one). We have had several yeasty kids go on the fast track killing yeast with the cold laser. One mom in our group was actually going backwards in her labs after one year with a local DAN! She continues to see the DAN! but ended up going to a prior Klinghardt conference and then added Dr. with the cold lasers & footbaths to her DAN!. Within a short time they made a noticable difference, including going from non-speaking to words. As his yeast got out of hand, he'd loose words. She'd bring him in for cold laser and a footbath....he'd gain back the words and add new words. He's at 3-4 sentances now. As he has looses sentances...she brings him in for more cold laser. The whole time her labs with the DAN! are now improving. If you can add cold laser of any sort (especially with a trained professional, if not BioTools "Health Light" as it penetrates 7 cm into the body...much greater than a standard pointer). Also, in my research the Valkion showed success with metabolism. DK talked about this in the conference and especially recommended the Activated water to help aid digestive issues. I'm not saying to not do the diets, you just may want to look further into some of the equipment to kick it into a fast-track mode.Fourth point: DK said in the conference, he no longer recommends the MMS especially for our kids, and not for adults long term...and on the adults and alternative schedule was recommended. They've seen to many negative side effects.Fifth point: In the conference DK was very excited about OSR (others that were there could chime in on this one).Sixth point: We used some specific Homeopathy to address support certain things during our LED detoxes (like the EBV that we were specifically fighting and needing help clearing...we were also sweeping this with our LED pointer. We held back on other homeopathic as to not stress the energy and adversely redirect what we were focusing on with multiple detox situations all at once. So, I'm with you, I'd hold till you here back, by adding the homeopathy in right now I agree you would be manipulating too many variables at once (loved the way you phrased that!)And lastly, yep....after what you've been through on that trip I hereby promote you to "homeopathy-minded but somewhat liberal naturopathic lyme-hunting, yeast-killing mama"! For me, I found myself coming to the reality that I was in an arena that I never thought I'd be in, and strangly feeling good about it...even though I did not tell most people as they already thought I was nuts, I didn't need them thinking I'd gone over the edge...so I just did not go there with them. It's so nice to have this group!Rita> >> > Dawnmarie,> > > > That is fascinating. I have one question...what did Dr. Cowden > say about > > the scar and what do they do about it. When was 3, he > also fell off > > the bed and knocked his head on the nightstand, he needed stitches > on his head. > > I remember when we got the ASD diagnosis I asked many of the > docs about > > this and they said NO way could that impact anything. (I think I > was trying > > to find a way to blame my ex husband since fell under his > care and > > didn't even call me to tell me about it)> > > > Tami Duncan> > > > President and Co-Founder> > _www.liafoundation.org_ (http://www.liafoundation.org/) > > Help the LIA Foundation with it's mission by ordering Gluten > Free / Casein > > Free Meals online and delivered right to your door! GFmeals > donates a % back > > to LIAF from the purchases. _http://www.gfmeals.com/?Click=351_ > > (http://www.gfmeals.com/?Click=351) > > > > > > > >>

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Rita,

I do not know what "mop-up agent" was recommended to Dawnmarie this time, but in our case Dr. Cowden recommended Algin, which mops up loose metals in the gut. I ended up using PectaSol Chelation Complex (http://www.econugenics.com/products/datasheets/datasheet_6342.pdf). Because I was doing biofilm protocol prior to seeing Dr. Cowden, and Dr. Usman recommended modified citrus pectin as step-three to mop up toxins released by bacterial die-off, I was happy to find this product contains both MCP and modified alginate.

Activated charcoal is effective as a mop-up agent. However, I find it incontinent for us to use, as it has to be given 2 hours away form food and supplements; otherwise, AC absorbs nutrients and depletes the body from it. I usually give a chelation cocktail 1/2 to 1 hours before LED. This should not be given together or close to taking AC. And then I give PectaSol and Burbur separately after LED. When Ingvar started developing diarrhea because of detox, I give 1 capsule of AC at bedtime 2 hours away from food and supplements. This always firms up his stools next day. Taking more than 1 cap, he gets constipated and will need magnesium and vitamin C to bring stools back to normal.

Just to share what we have done and experienced.

Limin

Re: Tastor Trip to see Dr. Cowden - Limin

Dawnmarie,With this we're treading where few ASD's have trod before (I feel like Star-Trek). So hang in there! I don't want anyone thinking I'm not respecting Dr Cowden...he's the master on this one, but DE had us do 2 activated charcoals about an hour before the sweeps...I'd give it to him as we got in the car on the way up....I do not know why the difference. I gave him additional if I got behaviors. When you talk with them ask them if there is anything wrong with taking an occational Activated charcoalif you think it will help mop up to improve behaviors. DE works with a lot of our ASD kids so she may realise the stuff mopped up (including yeast) can do to our kids so who knows, she may be a tad bit more proactive for our sakes...not sure till I talk with DE on Monday. I had some behaviors just from passing so much, especially with the mercury, lead and aluminum. But concidering all we detoxed (metals, bacterias, viruses, vaccines...the hepB was BAD, even in the clearing) he did real well in the long run.Rita> > > >> > > > Dawnmarie,> > > > Thank you so much for your post! I am continually amazed by > > these > > > > doctors. So many thought come when reading these.> > > > > > > > First point: Can't wait for Limin to reply to your questions. > > She's > > > > done Yasko, the herbs, Cowden himself and many additional > LED's. > > > > She's the perfect one to answer many of your Yasko questions.> > > > > > > > Second point: This is not the first time I've heard of one of > > these > > > > doctors finding a scar stress before the parents told them. Dr > > Amy > > > > found one of my good friends child's stress injury before the > > mom > > > > told her as well. You will find the story on message #1220 in > > this > > > > group. My friend had also forgot to tell Dr. Amy about an > injury > > > > that she found during initial testing. I have learned that > scars > > & > > > > tramas are a very big thing to these doctors. What's amazing to > > me > > > > is that they find the stress before you tell them, validating > > the > > > > stress.> > > > Here's a shortend copy of her post to our WA group that totally > > > > backs up what you just experienced:> > > > "Another point of testing, she moved across his left elbow > > (point > > > of> > > > break from the above accident) She can't see his scar from long> > > > sleeves and I had forgot to tell her about this. C turned to her> > > > when she passed over it and yelled "OUCH" and Dr. Derksen got a> > > > reaction back from C.> > > > One time, he came in and had to strip off his clothes. He was > > > > splotchy all over his back. Dr. Amy then saw his scar and > > > > said "That's what that was!" So I tell her the story of what > > > > happened. This will be treated also. It has rements of the > > tragidy > > > > still there. JUST what Theresa's Scio picked up with the 4X on > > her > > > > machine!"> > > > > > > > Third point: For the yeast. We have had good success with > > tackling > > > > yeast via cold laser. I'd have to recheck with her (all the > > > > treatments get mixed in my mind, but I think it's the GRT laser > > > that > > > > she uses to sweep the gut with...Lorina, help me out here, > > Zanders > > > > had success with this one). We have had several yeasty kids go > > on > > > > the fast track killing yeast with the cold laser. One mom in > our > > > > group was actually going backwards in her labs after one year > > with > > > a > > > > local DAN! She continues to see the DAN! but ended up going to > a > > > > prior Klinghardt conference and then added Dr. with > > the > > > > cold lasers & footbaths to her DAN!. Within a short time they > > made > > > a > > > > noticable difference, including going from non-speaking to > > words. > > > As > > > > his yeast got out of hand, he'd loose words. She'd bring him in > > for > > > > cold laser and a footbath....he'd gain back the words and add > > new > > > > words. He's at 3-4 sentances now. As he has looses > > sentances...she > > > > brings him in for more cold laser. The whole time her labs with > > the > > > > DAN! are now improving. If you can add cold laser of any sort > > > > (especially with a trained professional, if not > BioTools "Health > > > > Light" as it penetrates 7 cm into the body...much greater than > a > > > > standard pointer). Also, in my research the Valkion showed > > success > > > > with metabolism. DK talked about this in the conference and > > > > especially recommended the Activated water to help aid > digestive > > > > issues. I'm not saying to not do the diets, you just may want > to > > > > look further into some of the equipment to kick it into a fast-> > > track > > > > mode.> > > > > > > > Fourth point: DK said in the conference, he no longer > recommends > > > the > > > > MMS especially for our kids, and not for adults long term...and > > on > > > > the adults and alternative schedule was recommended. They've > > seen > > > to > > > > many negative side effects.> > > > > > > > Fifth point: In the conference DK was very excited about OSR > > > (others > > > > that were there could chime in on this one).> > > > > > > > Sixth point: We used some specific Homeopathy to address > support > > > > certain things during our LED detoxes (like the EBV that we > were > > > > specifically fighting and needing help clearing...we were also > > > > sweeping this with our LED pointer. We held back on other > > > > homeopathic as to not stress the energy and adversely redirect > > what > > > > we were focusing on with multiple detox situations all at once. > > So, > > > > I'm with you, I'd hold till you here back, by adding the > > homeopathy > > > > in right now I agree you would be manipulating too many > > variables > > > at > > > > once (loved the way you phrased that!)> > > > > > > > And lastly, yep....after what you've been through on that trip > I > > > > hereby promote you to "homeopathy-minded but somewhat liberal > > > > naturopathic lyme-hunting, yeast-killing mama"! For me, I found > > > > myself coming to the reality that I was in an arena that I > never > > > > thought I'd be in, and strangly feeling good about it...even > > though > > > > I did not tell most people as they already thought I was nuts, > I > > > > didn't need them thinking I'd gone over the edge...so I just > did > > > not > > > > go there with them. It's so nice to have this group!> > > > Rita> > > >> > >> >>

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Dawnmarie,

I email occasionally. This year I saw Dr. Cowden at both Autism One and LIA conference, so I got some opportunities to remind him of our case and to drag him aside for a brief, free consultation. I spoke with Dr. Amy once at LIA conference to inquire her readiness to come down to the bay area, as she talked about partnering up with Manayan (BioSET practitioner in the bay area) in the past. It seems that she is not ready to do so, suggested by a recent post at the bay area biomed group. I have confirmed appointments to see Dr. Klinghardt and Dr. in the fall.

In the past, Dr. Cowden usually recommended LED up to 5 to 10 treatments. Beginning in the winter 2007, he found a way to consolidate into 3 treatments. This of course saves the patients time and money.

I did both protocols. In our experience, the intensive detox schedule did not work as well as the original one. We got more noticeable cognitive development, less side effects, and more metal dump with the original schedule. For example, at our first round (10 treatments, once a week) we spread Hg 1, 2, and 3 into three separate treatments, and in the end we did a combo of Hg 1, 2, 3 at one treatment. It took 4 treatments to detoxify mercury. We got elevated excretion of mercury in DD's UTM weekly, and it lasted about 4 months. We also detoxified fungal, viral, and bacterial toxins prior to detoxifing metals, as these pathogens trap metals in the cells. It worked really well for us. Ingvar only had a minor rash on one of his cheeks, and was all the time happy and looked forward to go for LED.

At our second round (3 treatments, once a week), metal toxins were detoxified together with food allergens, bacteria, and viruses. Hg 1, 2, and 3 were done in a single treatment. Our UTMs were unimpressive, and I also did not see noticeable differences in Ingvar. Of course, there were variables. I do not know if the effect of LED had maxed out for us. (The related question is how often one can receive LED treatments.) But I feel that the body does better job when focusing on excretion of a fewer toxins at a time - less confusing, and more effecient. I also feel that the body needs time to register and recognize the toxin signatures in order to excrete them. However, I have not met anyone who have done both protocols/schedule to compare notes with. We are going for our 3rd round of LED. Hopefully, I can learn from our own experience to share with the group.

I hope that the sleep cycle problem has subsided. If not, you might want to look into the possibility of liver detox pathway congestion, in addition to put the boys on effective chelation (or toxin mop-up) supplements. One of the merits of LED is that it stirs up toxins from deep tissues and fatty organs. Liver detoxification is very nutrients dependent. You want to make sure that the liver is nourished and can function efficiently to process both the load of newly stirred up toxins and the other load of toxins continually coming in from the environment daily. I had Dr. Cowden muscle test Ingvar for BioRay Liverlife. He felt that this product is good for him. Nowadays I also use Pure Synergy made by the Synergy Company (http://www.thesynergycompany.com/pages/pure-synergy.html), and I absolutely love this product. It contains certified organic, non-GMO, fresh freeze-dried whole food and herbs, including Sulforaphane (broccoli sprouts) that promotes glutathione to assit detox. It contains alginate to mop up toxins, too. However, it also contains phenolic acids, which might cause allergy reactions in some children. I also give this to my NT 3-year-old, who does not like green vegetables.

Limin

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Limin,Never apologize for asking me more questions. It not only highlights to me the areas I need to study up on and learn more about but it also ends up giving me lots of food for thought - and more questions back for you! :)The boys each got three LED treatments. For the life of me I can't find my paperwork this morning but I can email you later what each treatment was for. The first was just sulfur (like Ignvar last summer). The second two were various toxins and foods, plus Hg 1,2,3 on the 3rd day. The treatments were 25 1/2 hours apart. You brought up a good point about protein supplements... I was thinking of asking about one. The boys diet already was pretty darn low in sulfate b/c of their genetics... I'm not sure if I also need to eliminate the few things they do eat (like onions in some of my recipes or eggs once a week). I can go all-out on dietary interventions but it takes a massive toll on me. And I spend all my time cooking and feeding, not engaging with the boys. I have to balance that out.That's why I asked about the anti-candida diet. It will be painful for us too as I use fruit when juicing and Trey LOVES his 1/2 a banana a day. I can get him to practice speech for tiny morsels. It's worth its weight in gold - but I'd go without if the yeast would be managed. I will look into Dr. Amy and the cold laser treatments mentioned in another post! I think hitting it from all angles will be the secret.Since the LED (and/or the supplement changes) we are having horrible sleep cycles in both boys. Unfortunately I've changed so many things I can't attribute one thing to the cause. (Bad move on my part - normally I'm pretty strategic.) But with school coming up I decided to just get everything on board now. Anyway, my only first thought is too many lipids so I'm going to start by reducing those. But I'm not sure what Trey's issue is. He's also having 3-4 major meltdowns per day (triggered by obvious transition issues - not getting what he wants, or not being allowed to stay somewhere as long as he'd like). Still, the tantrums are dramatic and go on for 40 minutes or more. He's always been fiesty but this is a bit over the top even for him. Detox? Neurotransmitter imbalance? Wrong supplements (ie Zeolite, DMSA a few times, etc.?) I suppose I could send in some more UTMs to get a picture but I'm being frugal after spending so much $$$ in Arizona this month.Thanks for the feedback! By the way, do you still keep in touch w/ Dr. Cowden or now just Dr. Amy and the WA folks?Dawnmarie >> Dawnmarie,> > Thank you for posting your trip to Phoenix. I read it with interest. How many LED treatments did the boys receive? How many hours or days apart between treatments? I can't wait to see your post on UTM result.> > The scar stress, Rita referred to, can block the regulation of autonomic nervous system and cause ANS unable to self-regulate, obstructs lymph flow, and block blood flow. I delivered my children via C-section twice. Your post reminds me that I should ask Dr. to see if she can do anything to remove the blockage for me, when we go to see her in October.> > I do not have all the answers to your questions, but I can share with you my experience and choices.> > - The turnaround time to get answers from Dr. Cowden's office varies. Sometimes got back fast, if she knew the answers and didn't need to consult with Dr. Cowden. Sometimes it did take a while, especially when Dr. Cowden travelled quite a bit.> > - I also have a NOS++ kid, so I picked and chose the recommended lipid supplements. LED yielded a very good result for us in cognitive development. But I had to admit that I have not always followed the good doctor's instructions. For example, I decided not to use LipoPhos EDTA for a couple of more reasons: 1) Ingvar has a history with several different forms/brands of EDTA, which made him spacey. 2). We have been chelating on Andy Cutler's protocol. He believes that EDTA is not suitable for a mercury toxic person. Boyd Haley has a similar comment, posted at the chelatingkids2 group. I might revisit this product, when Ingvar's mercury level drops, and when we need to focus on aluminum. I also needed to stop Zeolite HP shortly after I started. I gave it to Ingvar twice, and he vomited on both occasions. I believe that the body has intelligence and will try ways to get rid of things yucky to it.> > - We rotated Cumanda and Banderol, which entirely reduced my son's OCD and panic attacks, but did not take care the yeast problem. I still needed to rotate 3 to 4 different natural anti-fungal to bring yeast under control. However, I did not implement anti-Candida diet successfully. Ingvar is really big with fresh fruits, and he went about to serve himself behind my back. I was not able to remove fruits from his diet.> > - With CBS++ and SUOX+-, that is no doubt that a low sulfate diet was recommended. I do not think that you should mind the urine sulfate test result much, as it is only a spot test, and whatever the boys ate or didn't eat that day will affect the result. Ingvar's sulfate reading at Dr. Cowden's office was extremely high. I was initially shocked by the reading, because Ingvar only has a milder form of CBS, CBS A360A+-, and no SUOX variants. Then I immediately recalled that he was eating a bag of assorted nuts with dried cranberry on our way to Pheonix, and he finished all the cranberries from the bag. The dried fruit must contain sulfite.> > Was any protein supplement recommended? Did Asyra also screen for the status of amino acids? What methylation support supplements were recommended? > > Sorry if I dig out more questions than whatever information I am able to provide.> > Limin> >

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Hi e,

Sorry, I had a terrible typo, which probably misled you. I meant that AC is "inconvenient" for us to use. I could not find a time slot that I could use it 2 hours away from other food and supplements during the day, simple because Ingvar needed to take a lot more supplements during those days we did LED and chelation together. I can only use AC twice weekly at bedtime, one capsule each time. Given more than this dosage, Ingvar would become constipated. PectaSol doesn't create this problem for him. He is now taking one capsule 3 times a day. I don't really know if PectaSol help with constipation or not, because Ingvar usually does not have a constipation problem. But, for the purpose of resolving constipation, as far as fiber supplement goes, I would think that PectaSol does not work as well as Psyllium seed husk powder, which does not get absorbed by the body and can pass through the colon to cleanse it. In PectaSol, the molecules of citrus pectin have been modified into smaller in size, so it can be absorbed by the body into bloodstream to bind (loosely) to metals.

Limin

Re: Tastor Trip to see Dr. Cowden - Limin

Dawnmarie,With this we're treading where few ASD's have trod before (I feel like Star-Trek). So hang in there! I don't want anyone thinking I'm not respecting Dr Cowden...he's the master on this one, but DE had us do 2 activated charcoals about an hour before the sweeps...I'd give it to him as we got in the car on the way up....I do not know why the difference. I gave him additional if I got behaviors. When you talk with them ask them if there is anything wrong with taking an occational Activated charcoalif you think it will help mop up to improve behaviors. DE works with a lot of our ASD kids so she may realise the stuff mopped up (including yeast) can do to our kids so who knows, she may be a tad bit more proactive for our sakes...not sure till I talk with DE on Monday. I had some behaviors just from passing so much, especially with the mercury, lead and aluminum. But concidering all we detoxed (metals, bacterias, viruses, vaccines...the hepB was BAD, even in the clearing) he did real well in the long run.Rita> > > >> > > > Dawnmarie,> > > > Thank you so much for your post! I am continually amazed by > > these > > > > doctors. So many thought come when reading these.> > > > > > > > First point: Can't wait for Limin to reply to your questions. > > She's > > > > done Yasko, the herbs, Cowden himself and many additional > LED's. > > > > She's the perfect one to answer many of your Yasko questions.> > > > > > > > Second point: This is not the first time I've heard of one of > > these > > > > doctors finding a scar stress before the parents told them. Dr > > Amy > > > > found one of my good friends child's stress injury before the > > mom > > > > told her as well. You will find the story on message #1220 in > > this > > > > group. My friend had also forgot to tell Dr. Amy about an > injury > > > > that she found during initial testing. I have learned that > scars > > & > > > > tramas are a very big thing to these doctors. What's amazing to > > me > > > > is that they find the stress before you tell them, validating > > the > > > > stress.> > > > Here's a shortend copy of her post to our WA group that totally > > > > backs up what you just experienced:> > > > "Another point of testing, she moved across his left elbow > > (point > > > of> > > > break from the above accident) She can't see his scar from long> > > > sleeves and I had forgot to tell her about this. C turned to her> > > > when she passed over it and yelled "OUCH" and Dr. Derksen got a> > > > reaction back from C.> > > > One time, he came in and had to strip off his clothes. He was > > > > splotchy all over his back. Dr. Amy then saw his scar and > > > > said "That's what that was!" So I tell her the story of what > > > > happened. This will be treated also. It has rements of the > > tragidy > > > > still there. JUST what Theresa's Scio picked up with the 4X on > > her > > > > machine!"> > > > > > > > Third point: For the yeast. We have had good success with > > tackling > > > > yeast via cold laser. I'd have to recheck with her (all the > > > > treatments get mixed in my mind, but I think it's the GRT laser > > > that > > > > she uses to sweep the gut with...Lorina, help me out here, > > Zanders > > > > had success with this one). We have had several yeasty kids go > > on > > > > the fast track killing yeast with the cold laser. One mom in > our > > > > group was actually going backwards in her labs after one year > > with > > > a > > > > local DAN! She continues to see the DAN! but ended up going to > a > > > > prior Klinghardt conference and then added Dr. with > > the > > > > cold lasers & footbaths to her DAN!. Within a short time they > > made > > > a > > > > noticable difference, including going from non-speaking to > > words. > > > As > > > > his yeast got out of hand, he'd loose words. She'd bring him in > > for > > > > cold laser and a footbath....he'd gain back the words and add > > new > > > > words. He's at 3-4 sentances now. As he has looses > > sentances...she > > > > brings him in for more cold laser. The whole time her labs with > > the > > > > DAN! are now improving. If you can add cold laser of any sort > > > > (especially with a trained professional, if not > BioTools "Health > > > > Light" as it penetrates 7 cm into the body...much greater than > a > > > > standard pointer). Also, in my research the Valkion showed > > success > > > > with metabolism. DK talked about this in the conference and > > > > especially recommended the Activated water to help aid > digestive > > > > issues. I'm not saying to not do the diets, you just may want > to > > > > look further into some of the equipment to kick it into a fast-> > > track > > > > mode.> > > > > > > > Fourth point: DK said in the conference, he no longer > recommends > > > the > > > > MMS especially for our kids, and not for adults long term...and > > on > > > > the adults and alternative schedule was recommended. They've > > seen > > > to > > > > many negative side effects.> > > > > > > > Fifth point: In the conference DK was very excited about OSR > > > (others > > > > that were there could chime in on this one).> > > > > > > > Sixth point: We used some specific Homeopathy to address > support > > > > certain things during our LED detoxes (like the EBV that we > were > > > > specifically fighting and needing help clearing...we were also > > > > sweeping this with our LED pointer. We held back on other > > > > homeopathic as to not stress the energy and adversely redirect > > what > > > > we were focusing on with multiple detox situations all at once. > > So, > > > > I'm with you, I'd hold till you here back, by adding the > > homeopathy > > > > in right now I agree you would be manipulating too many > > variables > > > at > > > > once (loved the way you phrased that!)> > > > > > > > And lastly, yep....after what you've been through on that trip > I > > > > hereby promote you to "homeopathy-minded but somewhat liberal > > > > naturopathic lyme-hunting, yeast-killing mama"! For me, I found > > > > myself coming to the reality that I was in an arena that I > never > > > > thought I'd be in, and strangly feeling good about it...even > > though > > > > I did not tell most people as they already thought I was nuts, > I > > > > didn't need them thinking I'd gone over the edge...so I just > did > > > not > > > > go there with them. It's so nice to have this group!> > > > Rita> > > >> > >> >>

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Thank you for your comments.

I have been using quite a bit of Nutrimedix Burbur as well as Pekana apo-Hepat, Itires, Renelix remedies religiously. I am guessing that my son does not response to oral delivery well, because of his malabsorption problem.

Please clarify. The "plain" LED means just sweeping him with cold laser without using any remedy, right? Thank you.

Limin

Re: Tastor Trip to see Dr. Cowden - Limin

You son is not able to eliminate fast enough from those LED's, he should have "plain" LED's first, because these clutter the extracellular space with toxins. If the extracellular space is not cleaned up first you will have problems. Plus the LED's do not hold up for very long in these cases. > >> > Dawnmarie,> > > > Thank you for posting your trip to Phoenix. I read it with > interest. How many LED treatments did the boys receive? How many > hours or days apart between treatments? I can't wait to see your > post on UTM result.> > > > The scar stress, Rita referred to, can block the regulation of > autonomic nervous system and cause ANS unable to self-regulate, > obstructs lymph flow, and block blood flow. I delivered my children > via C-section twice. Your post reminds me that I should ask Dr. > to see if she can do anything to remove the blockage for > me, when we go to see her in October.> > > > I do not have all the answers to your questions, but I can share > with you my experience and choices.> > > > - The turnaround time to get answers from Dr. Cowden's office > varies. Sometimes got back fast, if she knew the answers and > didn't need to consult with Dr. Cowden. Sometimes it did take a > while, especially when Dr. Cowden travelled quite a bit.> > > > - I also have a NOS++ kid, so I picked and chose the recommended > lipid supplements. LED yielded a very good result for us in > cognitive development. But I had to admit that I have not always > followed the good doctor's instructions. For example, I decided not > to use LipoPhos EDTA for a couple of more reasons: 1) Ingvar has a > history with several different forms/brands of EDTA, which made him > spacey. 2). We have been chelating on Andy Cutler's protocol. He > believes that EDTA is not suitable for a mercury toxic person. Boyd > Haley has a similar comment, posted at the chelatingkids2 group. I > might revisit this product, when Ingvar's mercury level drops, and > when we need to focus on aluminum. I also needed to stop Zeolite HP > shortly after I started. I gave it to Ingvar twice, and he vomited > on both occasions. I believe that the body has intelligence and will > try ways to get rid of things yucky to it.> > > > - We rotated Cumanda and Banderol, which entirely reduced my son's > OCD and panic attacks, but did not take care the yeast problem. I > still needed to rotate 3 to 4 different natural anti-fungal to bring > yeast under control. However, I did not implement anti-Candida diet > successfully. Ingvar is really big with fresh fruits, and he went > about to serve himself behind my back. I was not able to remove > fruits from his diet.> > > > - With CBS++ and SUOX+-, that is no doubt that a low sulfate diet > was recommended. I do not think that you should mind the urine > sulfate test result much, as it is only a spot test, and whatever the > boys ate or didn't eat that day will affect the result. Ingvar's > sulfate reading at Dr. Cowden's office was extremely high. I was > initially shocked by the reading, because Ingvar only has a milder > form of CBS, CBS A360A+-, and no SUOX variants. Then I immediately > recalled that he was eating a bag of assorted nuts with dried > cranberry on our way to Pheonix, and he finished all the cranberries > from the bag. The dried fruit must contain sulfite.> > > > Was any protein supplement recommended? Did Asyra also screen for > the status of amino acids? What methylation support supplements were > recommended? > > > > Sorry if I dig out more questions than whatever information I am > able to provide.> > > > Limin> > > >>