Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox

[Guest guest]

,

You mentioned that you didn't do chemical chelation. I assume that you used

natural chelators or homeopathic chelations or alternative detox therapies.

Do you mind sharing what you used for metal chelation and what

supplements/products/therapies you have experienced effectively support the

liver, kidneys, gall blander, and/or lymphatic systems? Thank you.

Limin

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 16:48

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Resveratrol and phenol

response

> But it's hard when people ask me what I did to recover my son. It

> would be easier to say what I didn't do. Which would be HBOT, chemical

> chelation, B-12 injections and IV's. Not because I don't believe they

> can work for some - I just had personal reasons to cross them off my

> list. Apart from those I did pretty much everything in a reasonable

> and methodical manner. With a very good holistic/homeopathic/DAN!/TCM

> pediatrician overseeing my plan.

[Guest guest]

Yes - I tried to stay as natural as possible. It's not the easiest

route by any means. In fact, I feel it's the hardest. Some would

prefer to take more hard hitting treatments occasionally than have to

work on it a little bit every day - day in, day out.

Detox truly starts OUTSIDE the body. If you don't absorb it in the

first place, then you don't have to detox it. This is a key concept

that many just can't grasp. They talk all about detox, but let their

kids eat and drink processed cr*p food " But it says GF/CF right there

on the package of cotton candy " . And can't consider an alternative to

microwaving food in plastic bowls.... Scheesh!

You just have to figure out how much you can manage and what works

with your lifestyle and schedule. This is a little portion of what

I've done for my son - and my husband and I:

Homeopathic - mostly Pekana brand. Itires (cream and drops) for lymph,

Apo-Hepat for liver, Mundipur for bile/gall bladder, CitriPlus for

Kreb cycle, Renilix for kidney. Some Syntrion brand ones, SyDetox.

Some Futureplex AntiTox brand ones, Ultra AntiTox, Cellular Recharge.

Some Energetix brand ones, Liver-Tone, Chem-Chord....

I've accumulated a massive homeopathic toolkit, but I don't have

enough education yet to pick the right ones without help. My son's

pediatrician used BioSET to figure out what he needed each week. We

went weekly (seriously!) for almost two years and each time the

formula was changed slightly, depending on his needs at the time. It

was expensive to have weekly visits that are only half covered by

insurance, but worth it! He's only on a few different ones now and we

are down to once a month visits. I'm taking a lot though, to fix up

the damage cause by my recent exposures to allopathic medical junk.

Food is our medicine too. Cultured raw sauerkraut, home made bone

broths, probiotic drinks (which I must admit I buy at the store - no

time to make them yet). We each have our own raw " detox salad " blend

that I came up with, which we eat for dinner about three times a week.

During that meal only raw ingredients are used, but in the beginning I

had to add organic potato chips as " croutons " to the salad so my son

could get accustomed the bitter taste of some of the herbs. Whatever

works!

His salad contains dandelion greens (sometimes a bit of chopped up

roots or new sprouts), lots of cilantro/coriander, basil, dill,

parsley, carrots, ground flax and recently some sulfur greens like

radishito (sp?) and other colorful exotics related to the cabbage

family. At midnight on those salad days, I get him up and give him

activated charcoal and some magnesium to speed the exit time. It's the

only time period I can get away from other supplements and food, so

it's a late night for me.

Plants chelate the soil - it's what they have evolved to do. Draw up

elements for their own needs and store them in their leaves. A plant

doesn't know the difference between essential and toxic elements

though, so it takes up everything. Some are better chelators than

others. The same ones that can chelate your body also could have

chelated it's nursery soil, so you have to really think about where

they come from. Just seeing the " organic " label may not be enough. Who

knows what was put in the soil years or decades before.

Because of this, I grow my own salad greens so I know exactly what in

them. This is where I went just a little tiny bit nutty. I was

emotionally traumatized by the book Fateful Harvest by Duff .

Our whole food chain has been irreversibly compromised. Get the book

if you think you can handle the information. It put me in a funk for

weeks though - just warning you. Very depressing stuff with no happy

ending. Not even a glimmer of hope for our agricultural industry.

Anyway, because we eat the green parts of those chelating plants I had

my long suffering husband build a big wood planter box and filled it

with organic virgin soil that has NEVER been farmed (Happy Frog brand,

Humboldt County CA). I hand water the greens with RO water from a

glass jug. Just a little nutty?

Fruiting plants (tomatoes, peppers, squashes, zucchini etc) are less

of a worry because the green parts store more toxins than the fruit. I

just use my existing little veggie patch for those - but I did replace

the first 1.5 feet of soil with the new organic virgin stuff.

It was much easier in concept than to execute! It took me weeks on and

off with a shovel and wheelbarrow because my husband declined to help

with my " crazy project " . I was going to go down to two feet, but I hit

heavy clay half way there. That's when my hubby took pity and got a

rototiller. I managed to get another half a foot before it couldn't

penetrate anymore. If the tiller can't get through it, I hope that my

veggies roots wouldn't go that deep in one growing season. I water

those with a lead-free " drinking safe " garden hose, with a

chlorine/fluoride filter on the end. It doesn't get out the uranium

(which I have in my municipal water supply) but I can't do the whole

garden with reverse osmosis water. It's the best I can do.

Do you think I'm crazy yet? I do a LOT of over-the-top things like

this to cut down on toxins entering my son's body. Like hand rinsing

EVERY food/drink vessel in RO water, even though they just came out of

the dishwasher with non-toxic soap powder. Got to get that lead,

chlorine, fluoride and uranium off! Who knows what plastics are

leaching out of the guts of the machine during the cycle! Those are

just two things in my whole lifestyle of daily toxic avenging acts.

Crazy, crazy, crazy!

From the very beginning, the more effort I put in the better my son

got. My goal is to always have more junk going out than in on a daily

basis. Eventually that toxic tub has to get near empty, right? And I

change things around depending on the exposures of the day. During the

Santa Cruz Mountain fires I ramped everything up to the max!

As for other alternative detox stuff..... FIR sauna, lymph massage,

reflexology massage, dry brushing, rebounding (mini-tramp), exercise

in fresh air, LL magnetic clay baths, epsom salts baths every night,

low EMR environment (recent addition), low tox environment, zero

plastics use with food/drink, zero microwave use, negative ion Hym

Crystal salt lamp in bedroom, organic mattress and bedding (recent

addition), air purifiers everywhere, a dehumidifier that moves from

room to room.....NEVER eat any food ingredient that was made in a lab.

I'm sure there is a lot more that I can't think of right now. They

have just blended in with our life and become part of it. I sometimes

forget that the majority of people out there still eating artificial

chemicals. It's not difficult for us to avoid the bad stuff now, it's

just the way we live. But it's a LOT of work for me, especially in the

kitchen. It's never ending and sometimes exhausting.

In the future we plan to move to the mountains to get away from the

pollution of the Bay Area. That will be the healthiest and best

natural detox of all - to be playing in the fresh air under the

redwood trees, breathing clean air, drinking mineral rich well-water

with no uranium, eating as much home grown food as we can....

Now I just need to come up with the money. Anyone got a spare million

or two for my cause? ;-)

>

> ,

>

> You mentioned that you didn't do chemical chelation. I assume that

you used

> natural chelators or homeopathic chelations or alternative detox

therapies.

> Do you mind sharing what you used for metal chelation and what

> supplements/products/therapies you have experienced effectively

support the

> liver, kidneys, gall blander, and/or lymphatic systems? Thank you.

>

> Limin

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 16:48

> To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

> Subject: Re: Resveratrol and

phenol

> response

>

> > But it's hard when people ask me what I did to recover my son. It

> > would be easier to say what I didn't do. Which would be HBOT, chemical

> > chelation, B-12 injections and IV's. Not because I don't believe they

> > can work for some - I just had personal reasons to cross them off my

> > list. Apart from those I did pretty much everything in a reasonable

> > and methodical manner. With a very good holistic/homeopathic/DAN!/TCM

> > pediatrician overseeing my plan.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Limin,

I just realized I forgot to add FIR Sauna and rebounding (mini-tramp

jumping for lymph drainage) to the list of natural detox therapies.

Let me know if you have questions on anything I detailed in the last

posting.

You're in the Bay Area, right? Do you ever go to the biomed meetings

at PHP? Perhaps we've met and I don't remember?

> >

> > ,

> >

> > You mentioned that you didn't do chemical chelation. I assume that

> you used

> > natural chelators or homeopathic chelations or alternative detox

> therapies.

> > Do you mind sharing what you used for metal chelation and what

> > supplements/products/therapies you have experienced effectively

> support the

> > liver, kidneys, gall blander, and/or lymphatic systems? Thank you.

> >

> > Limin

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------

> > From: " amandasathome " <amandasathome@>

> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 16:48

> > To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

> > Subject: Re: Resveratrol and

> phenol

> > response

> >

> > > But it's hard when people ask me what I did to recover my son. It

> > > would be easier to say what I didn't do. Which would be HBOT,

chemical

> > > chelation, B-12 injections and IV's. Not because I don't believe

they

> > > can work for some - I just had personal reasons to cross them off my

> > > list. Apart from those I did pretty much everything in a reasonable

> > > and methodical manner. With a very good

holistic/homeopathic/DAN!/TCM

> > > pediatrician overseeing my plan.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amenda

thank you for sharing your amazing story, you are such a hard-working mom, I 've learned a lot from it, may I ask who was your homeopathic practioners,or how do you get the remedies by yourself? and any success experience dealing with parasite yet? sorry for the many questions.

thanks,

Betty

[Guest guest]

Hi Betty,

I don't have any real experience with parasites, sorry. My son doesn't

seem to have a major problem with them. Not to say he doesn't actually

HAVE them (we all have hitchhikers in one form or another) but

everyone seems to be living in harmony in his GI tract most of the

time now. He does have a yeast flair-up occasionally if I don't keep

him on the Feast Without Yeast diet and on massive doses of

pro-biotics every day - I consider candida a rotten parasite!

My son's holistic pediatrician is also a homeopathic practitioner. I

get some stuff from her, some from Whole Foods or Elephant Pharmacy.

You can get Boiron and Hylands brand ones very easily on line. The

trick is to know what to use!

If you live in the SF Bay Area and want to get on her waiting list let

me know and I'll send you her information. She's also DAN! trained,

does BioSET, acupuncture, TCM and is well on her way to becoming lyme

literate. Her partner is focused on the mito dysfunction angle and

they have a nutritionist on staff. So there is a pretty good team in

that office.

>

> Dear Amenda

> thank you for sharing your amazing story, you are such a

hard-working mom, I 've learned a lot from it, may I ask who was your

homeopathic practioners,or how do you get the remedies by yourself?

and any success experience dealing with parasite yet? sorry for the

many questions.

>

>

> thanks,

>

> Betty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the local

biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday evenings (if

I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the company's

overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no one to

take care of the kids for me to go.

Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna bath twice

weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.

Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox

support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at least 3

times a week. We will see how this goes.

Limin

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:56

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Resveratrol and phenol

response/ chelation & detox

> Hi Limin,

>

> I just realized I forgot to add FIR Sauna and rebounding (mini-tramp

> jumping for lymph drainage) to the list of natural detox therapies.

> Let me know if you have questions on anything I detailed in the last

> posting.

>

> You're in the Bay Area, right? Do you ever go to the biomed meetings

> at PHP? Perhaps we've met and I don't remember?

>

>

>

>

>> >

>> > ,

>> >

>> > You mentioned that you didn't do chemical chelation. I assume that

>> you used

>> > natural chelators or homeopathic chelations or alternative detox

>> therapies.

>> > Do you mind sharing what you used for metal chelation and what

>> > supplements/products/therapies you have experienced effectively

>> support the

>> > liver, kidneys, gall blander, and/or lymphatic systems? Thank you.

>> >

>> > Limin

>> >

>> > --------------------------------------------------

>> > From: " amandasathome " <amandasathome@>

>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 16:48

>> > To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

>> > Subject: Re: Resveratrol and

>> phenol

>> > response

>> >

>> > > But it's hard when people ask me what I did to recover my son. It

>> > > would be easier to say what I didn't do. Which would be HBOT,

> chemical

>> > > chelation, B-12 injections and IV's. Not because I don't believe

> they

>> > > can work for some - I just had personal reasons to cross them off my

>> > > list. Apart from those I did pretty much everything in a reasonable

>> > > and methodical manner. With a very good

> holistic/homeopathic/DAN!/TCM

>> > > pediatrician overseeing my plan.

>> >

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Limin,

I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for

those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The

monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.

They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions

of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the

local

> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday

evenings (if

> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the

company's

> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no

one to

> take care of the kids for me to go.

>

> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna

bath twice

> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.

> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox

> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at

least 3

> times a week. We will see how this goes.

>

> Limin

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'd enjoy hanging out with a bunch of deep-ender biomed moms over a cup of

the reason's pumpkin spice latte under the California sunlight on weekends.

;-)

I forwarded Coyle's class information to the Bay Area group, but only

one person responded with interests. I know the cost is steep, but by the

end of classes attendees can be certified as drugless practitioners. I

always wan to learn more about homeotoxicology and to revisit sequential

homeopathy from where I left for doing Cowden herbal protocol. I hope to

get 6 people to sign up, in order to get Coyle to the bay area. Are

you interested?

Limin

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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:50

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Resveratrol and phenol

response/ chelation & detox

> Hi Limin,

>

> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for

> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The

> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.

>

> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions

> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Hi ,

>>

>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the

> local

>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday

> evenings (if

>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the

> company's

>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no

> one to

>> take care of the kids for me to go.

>>

>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna

> bath twice

>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.

>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox

>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at

> least 3

>> times a week. We will see how this goes.

>>

>> Limin

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be up for a deep-ender discussion group also. I would LOVE to do the Coyle program, but can't do it now. Next fall would be perfect. I am finishing up a PhD in Natural Health from Clayton College and would love to add homeotoxicology to my bag of tricks. Jill

"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground."

[borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time

at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

Where does Clayton College locate? Do they have an option for remote study?

Limin

From: Jill Rege

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 09:18

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox

I would be up for a deep-ender discussion group also. I would LOVE to do the Coyle program, but can't do it now. Next fall would be perfect. I am finishing up a PhD in Natural Health from Clayton College and would love to add homeotoxicology to my bag of tricks. Jill

"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground."

[borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

Why don't you all start a group up there like we are down here! Ours is called beyond biomedical and I'm putting together information on starting a chapter. Also I will ask mary Coyle if we can make payments for the classes for homotoxicology.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT)To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >Subject: Re: Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation detox I would be up for a deep-ender discussion group also. I would LOVE to do the Coyle program, but can't do it now. Next fall would be perfect. I am finishing up a PhD in Natural Health from Clayton College and would love to add homeotoxicology to my bag of tricks. Jill"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground." [borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

Yes tell us more. I know Clayton is an online college. How do you like it?Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:36 -0700To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >Subject: Re: Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation detox Jill, Where does Clayton College locate? Do they have an option for remote study? Limin From: Jill Rege Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 09:18To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detoxI would be up for a deep-ender discussion group also. I would LOVE to do the Coyle program, but can't do it now. Next fall would be perfect. I am finishing up a PhD in Natural Health from Clayton College and would love to add homeotoxicology to my bag of tricks. Jill "Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground." [borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

I can most likely provide meeting space in pleasanton, CA, for this "advanced group". In an office building with large space.We can meet perhaps more rarely than the biomed group: like once in 3 months.If you want a yahoo group to support that you can use the beyondgfcf group that has all long timers.I just dont want to overwhelm new parents who also tend to be sceptical in the beginning.hope that helps,Pramila [borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>>

Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

It's based in Alabama. It's purely distance learning, self-paced. It's not accredited, but the list of graduates is increasingly impressive. It's where Amy Yasko got her ND, and in other fields Anne-Louise Gittleman, Page, and ny Bowden (he's big in nutrition)

I went to one of the conferences before we got kid #2 and thought it was really great. I have 10 months to finish my program and I'm in total overload rush. It's great if you're organized, not so great if you have undiagnosed ADD, a kid on the spectrum, a surprise adoption, etc., like me. Jill

"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground."

[borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time

at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

I would bet they would get a lot of us if we could make payments!

Jane

>

> Also I will ask mary Coyle if we can make payments for the classes

for homotoxicology.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pramila. Meeting in Pleasanton is great. Hope the most of us are all in the east bay.

As for online support group, if Tami does not mind, I would prefer continually posting at this group. Tami has established a good foundation, direction here. This is a great group to share and exchange ideas, knowledge, and experience. This group still has space to grow. I don't think that the group is getting too big to get group attention to specific posts yet.

Limin

From: Pramila Srinivasan

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 09:37

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox

I can most likely provide meeting space in pleasanton, CA, for this "advanced group". In an office building with large space.We can meet perhaps more rarely than the biomed group: like once in 3 months.If you want a yahoo group to support that you can use the beyondgfcf group that has all long timers.I just dont want to overwhelm new parents who also tend to be sceptical in the beginning.hope that helps,Pramila

[borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

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I really like it, but do find some of the information in the texts is old. (The early childhood development class I was required to take drove me absolutely NUTS because the author does imply that sloppy parently contributes to autism. She's also got a heavy anti-adoption bias, which grates on me since 2 of my 3 were adopted at birth.) However, the herbology, homeopathy, etc., classes have been really helpful. And I loved the one conference I attended.

Check it out. www.ccnh.edu. We had a little local group that met for a while, which is where I met Song before she opened her practice. The moderator moved to TX and the group fell apart. Jill

"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground."

[borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time

at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

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that would be parenting. Jill

"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground."

[borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time

at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

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OK, lets hope there is enough interest.Pramila [borreliaMultipleIn fectionsAndAutis m] Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox> Hi Limin,>> I wonder if we should consider having an advanced biomed meeting, for> those of us swimming in the deep end (to use Jill's analogy). The> monthly meetings at PHP are more to help new parents get started.>> They would be baffled (and potentially frightened off?) by discussions> of lasers, EMR and valkion .... ;-)>> >> >>>> Hi ,>>>> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to the> local>> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday> evenings (if>> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the> company's>> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have no> one to>> take care of the kids for me to go.>>>> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna> bath twice>> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the Sauna.>> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some homeopathic detox>> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this at> least 3>> times a week. We will see how this goes.>>>> Limin>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

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I'm with Limin! Tami's established a base that I like...LOVE the

people and posts. I'm to busy to add another group to monitor. This

has lots of room to grow and as others learn and do better, this

spearhead group can bring the stuff to the bigger groups, not

burdening one family or one doctor.

I almost posted about the Valkion on MB12Valtrex, but it's to big. I

can't support it by myself. I agree with the comment recently made,

this IS important to get the word out, but just like the LDM-100

with our WA group, it can't be supported with just one, the family

stress is too great...it'll take a group....this is the group!

Rita

> >>

> >> Hi ,

> >>

> >> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to

the

> > local

> >> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday

> > evenings (if

> >> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the

> > company's

> >> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have

no

> > one to

> >> take care of the kids for me to go.

> >>

> >> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna

> > bath twice

> >> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the

Sauna.

> >> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some

homeopathic detox

> >> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this

at

> > least 3

> >> times a week. We will see how this goes.

> >>

> >> Limin

> >>

> >

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I'm enrolled there too. I agree it is great if you are organized. I

find myself online reading posts more than studying. But groups like

this are so fascinating.

>

> It's based in Alabama.  It's purely distance learning, self-

paced.  It's not accredited, but the list of graduates is

increasingly impressive.  It's where Amy Yasko got her ND, and in

other fields Anne-Louise Gittleman, Page, and ny Bowden

(he's big in nutrition)

>

> I went to one of the conferences before we got kid #2 and thought

it was really great.  I have 10 months to finish my program and I'm

in total overload rush.  It's great if you're organized, not so great

if you have undiagnosed ADD, a kid on the spectrum, a surprise

adoption, etc., like me.

>  Jill

>

>

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Oh, please dont mistake my intention. I only offered the other group to coordinate the meetings.To get headcount, set up the schedules etc.We can stay with this group if its ok.Pramila Re: Resveratrol and phenol response/ chelation & detox

I'm with Limin! Tami's established a base that I like...LOVE the

people and posts. I'm to busy to add another group to monitor. This

has lots of room to grow and as others learn and do better, this

spearhead group can bring the stuff to the bigger groups, not

burdening one family or one doctor.

I almost posted about the Valkion on MB12Valtrex, but it's to big. I

can't support it by myself. I agree with the comment recently made,

this IS important to get the word out, but just like the LDM-100

with our WA group, it can't be supported with just one, the family

stress is too great...it'll take a group....this is the group!

Rita

> >>

> >> Hi ,

> >>

> >> I am in the east bay. Unfortunately I am seldom able to go to

the

> > local

> >> biomed meetings. As the meetings are mostly held on Wednesday

> > evenings (if

> >> I remember correctly), my husband usually have meetings with the

> > company's

> >> overseas teams in the evenings during the work days, so I have

no

> > one to

> >> take care of the kids for me to go.

> >>

> >> Thanks much for sharing your experience. My son takes FIR Sauna

> > bath twice

> >> weekly, and yes, he jumps on trampoline before going into the

Sauna.

> >> Tonight I swept (with red light cold laser) him some

homeopathic detox

> >> support remedies for the first time at home. I plan to do this

at

> > least 3

> >> times a week. We will see how this goes.

> >>

> >> Limin

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

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OK, let's plan a get together one weekend. I'm booked up till after

Halloween though. Jill and Pramila would be good people to invite as

well - they are " deep end " swimmers too. We all live on the peninsula.

Yes - I saw the posting and Jill's reply. The class sounds

interesting, but I don't have the money in my self improvement budget.

If I did - it would go towards a Valkion!

Another consideration for me is vested interest. I enjoy helping local

people on the biomed path. But if I was making money from it, my

advice may be seen as shadowed because of potential financial gain.

I'd rather be the mother with the recovered child - helping for

totally altruistic reasons.

Plus I own an engineering company that has nothing to do with biomed.

It keeps me more than busy enough. We do work for medical companies

(drug delivery devices!) and the dreaded cell phone manufacturers, in

addition to automotive and computer industries. Pretty much the bad

guys in my personal war against environmental toxins. But it's where I

got the money to fund my son's recovery.... ;-)

The flip side is we have some " green " clients too - solar panel and

electric car manufacturers. So I don't feel too bad being part of the

industrial prototyping and manufacturing industry. It's slowly heading

in the right direction and I go out of my way to give the companies

with green products the best price I can. Then I shaft the big dirty

guys for the balance..... bwahahahahaha!

>

> Hi ,

>

> I'd enjoy hanging out with a bunch of deep-ender biomed moms over a

cup of

> the reason's pumpkin spice latte under the California sunlight on

weekends.

> ;-)

>

> I forwarded Coyle's class information to the Bay Area group,

but only

> one person responded with interests. I know the cost is steep, but

by the

> end of classes attendees can be certified as drugless practitioners. I

> always wan to learn more about homeotoxicology and to revisit

sequential

> homeopathy from where I left for doing Cowden herbal protocol. I

hope to

> get 6 people to sign up, in order to get Coyle to the bay area.

Are

> you interested?

>

> Limin