Re: Re: High fat diets and methylation

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What do you do about a 1 year old boy who has decided that anything

green(vegetables) is gross and he isn't even going to try it. If I tell him

to try it he will but he won't eat anymore or he spits it out. I have tried

smothering it in butter and cheese but to no avail. And forget salad the

last time I tried he just tickled his chin with the leaves.

Marcella

>From: " drmichaelmarasco " <mmarasco@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: High fat diets and methylation

>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:17:44 -0000

>

>

>

>I hesitate to make comment on this as an isolated quote and not

>having any idea where its from, who said it or how they arrived at

>the conclusion. However just on the face of it is a good topic

>anyway. The answer to your question is " yes but " . Fats do not cause

>this problem. Really poor digestion and assimilation cause this.

>Just like the people out there saying high protein diets are bad for

>kidneys. Well the truth is proteins have no problem with kidneys and

>vice versa. However start eating lots of protein after not eating

>much for several years, have poor digestion and assimilation and you

>bet your going to have a kidney problem. The same holds true when

>fat consumption is high and it is not digested or assimilated

>properly so as always seems to be true with these silly blanket

>statements about essential foods that have been eaten since the

>beginning of time. There is nothing wrong with the remedy, the

>problem, especially at this time is the person receiving the remedy.

>It really is another great caution for all people who are re-

>discovering the needs for high quality fats and proteins, that they

>must digest and assimilate well.

>

>The Masai certainly will prove my next statement wrong, however it is

>clear that even in NT circles I have seen at times folks who still

>are not eating enough plant food. We all love the protein in the

>meats and the fats ooooh so good but one factor in reference to this

>topic is that the plants we eat are essential and need to be focused

>on to be placed in the diet daily and almost to excess.

>

>Roman if you can find the link or article again I'd like to see it.

>The real story is your fats are fine, but are you?:-)))

>

>All My Best,

>Dr. Marasco,BS,DC

>Cincinnati, Oh

>

>

> > I've found the following at LEF web site (a link I have is not valid

> > anymore, and I can't a new one):

> >

> > " High fat diets, among other factors, decrease methylation. This

>decline

> > in methylation is directly related to the physical decline

>associated

> > with aging. "

> >

> > Does anyone know if this is true? I am asking this because I've

>heard

> > methylation is a very important process and needs to be supported.

>If

> > this is so and since were a getting lots of fat, do we get enough

> > compensators with NT?

> >

> > Roman

> >

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Marcella -

I wouldn't force it. Have you tried making pickles for sauerkraut for him.

That will give him some nutrients and some great bacteria. My daughter likes

steamed veggies with parmeasean cheese on it. Try it with carrots and

cauliflower and then maybe you could sneak in something green with the cheese on

it if he likes it. Also, my daughter loves the chicken/rice soup, and we put

carrots and celery in it. Maybe he'll eat that. If he does't, as long as he

gets healthy fats and protein, I wouldn't worry.

Good luck

Dana

----- Original Message -----

From: Marcella Mathewes

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: Re: High fat diets and methylation

What do you do about a 1 year old boy who has decided that anything

green(vegetables) is gross and he isn't even going to try it. If I tell him

to try it he will but he won't eat anymore or he spits it out. I have tried

smothering it in butter and cheese but to no avail. And forget salad the

last time I tried he just tickled his chin with the leaves.

Marcella

>From: " drmichaelmarasco " <mmarasco@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: High fat diets and methylation

>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:17:44 -0000

>

>

>

>I hesitate to make comment on this as an isolated quote and not

>having any idea where its from, who said it or how they arrived at

>the conclusion. However just on the face of it is a good topic

>anyway. The answer to your question is " yes but " . Fats do not cause

>this problem. Really poor digestion and assimilation cause this.

>Just like the people out there saying high protein diets are bad for

>kidneys. Well the truth is proteins have no problem with kidneys and

>vice versa. However start eating lots of protein after not eating

>much for several years, have poor digestion and assimilation and you

>bet your going to have a kidney problem. The same holds true when

>fat consumption is high and it is not digested or assimilated

>properly so as always seems to be true with these silly blanket

>statements about essential foods that have been eaten since the

>beginning of time. There is nothing wrong with the remedy, the

>problem, especially at this time is the person receiving the remedy.

>It really is another great caution for all people who are re-

>discovering the needs for high quality fats and proteins, that they

>must digest and assimilate well.

>

>The Masai certainly will prove my next statement wrong, however it is

>clear that even in NT circles I have seen at times folks who still

>are not eating enough plant food. We all love the protein in the

>meats and the fats ooooh so good but one factor in reference to this

>topic is that the plants we eat are essential and need to be focused

>on to be placed in the diet daily and almost to excess.

>

>Roman if you can find the link or article again I'd like to see it.

>The real story is your fats are fine, but are you?:-)))

>

>All My Best,

>Dr. Marasco,BS,DC

>Cincinnati, Oh

>

>

> > I've found the following at LEF web site (a link I have is not valid

> > anymore, and I can't a new one):

> >

> > " High fat diets, among other factors, decrease methylation. This

>decline

> > in methylation is directly related to the physical decline

>associated

> > with aging. "

> >

> > Does anyone know if this is true? I am asking this because I've

>heard

> > methylation is a very important process and needs to be supported.

>If

> > this is so and since were a getting lots of fat, do we get enough

> > compensators with NT?

> >

> > Roman

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------

> > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today

> > Only $9.95 per month!

> > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum & refcd=PT97

>

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> What do you do about a 1 year old boy who has decided that anything

> green(vegetables) is gross and he isn't even going to try it. If I tell

him

> to try it he will but he won't eat anymore or he spits it out. I have

tried

> smothering it in butter and cheese but to no avail. And forget salad the

> last time I tried he just tickled his chin with the leaves.

Hide it. Don't just " dress it up. " Hide it as if it's life were in danger

from enemy forces. Puree it and blend it with something that will mask it's

flavor. When he's a little older, you can maybe put it inside of things

that get eaten whole (ie ravioli). In my opinion, keeping small amounts

craftily hidden as part of his diet will do him more good in the long run

than forcing him to eat more substantial amounts now. If he's getting some,

even blended into things, I believe his tastes will develop with an imprint

of that flavor.

Also, if color is the primary issue, try some non-green greens. The one

that leaps to mind is red cabbage. Cooked in some apple juice possibly with

some personalized seasonings (ginger, cinnamon, cloves, nutmeg, allspice,

orange zest, etc) it's extremely tasty. If you get him excited ahead of

time about a cool new color of food, it might just fly...

Good luck!

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In a message dated 2/18/2002 3:46:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

honoraholmes@... writes:

> What do you do about a 1 year old boy who has decided that anything

> green(vegetables) is gross and he isn't even going to try it. If I tell him

> to try it he will but he won't eat anymore or he spits it out. I have tried

> smothering it in butter and cheese but to no avail. And forget salad the

> last time I tried he just tickled his chin with the leaves.

>

Dear Marcella,

Many children hate vegetables (and many adults also). It is not that

important for children to eat vegetables--much more important to eat whole

(pref. raw) milk, eggs, meat, etc. And you can sneak vegetables into them by

making soups. Remember, man can live on animal foods but no vegetables, but

cannot live on all vegetables but no animal foods. He may grow to like them

later in life. Sally

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ly, I wouldn't worry about. I couldn't stand vegetables until I was

an adult. Even now if they are not raw or fermented in a salad with lots

of olive oil, cheese, and vine ripened tomatoes, I'm not interested.

However I do partake daily of a wonderful unheated whole food supplement

that is loaded with sea veggies and it has treated me quite well. Makes a

great smoothie that my 8 year old niece absolutely loves and I'm quite

sure that is the only " vegetables " she will eat. We can survive quite

well on animal foods alone. We cannot enjoy optimum health on vegetables

alone. Be creative but I wouldn't let it be a cause for grave concern.

Besides he may be telling you that he isn't getting enough of the other

stuff (like raw milk, raw eggs, raw cream, etc.).

On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:43:40 +0000 " Marcella Mathewes "

<honoraholmes@...> writes:

What do you do about a 1 year old boy who has decided that anything

green(vegetables) is gross and he isn't even going to try it. If I tell

him

to try it he will but he won't eat anymore or he spits it out. I have

tried

smothering it in butter and cheese but to no avail. And forget salad the

last time I tried he just tickled his chin with the leaves.

Marcella

>

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***> What do you do about a 1 year old boy who has decided that anything

> green(vegetables) is gross and he isn't even going to try it. If I tell him

> to try it he will but he won't eat anymore or he spits it out. I have tried

> smothering it in butter and cheese but to no avail. And forget salad the

> last time I tried he just tickled his chin with the leaves.

Hide it. Don't just " dress it up. " Hide it as if it's life were in danger

from enemy forces. Puree it and blend it with something that will mask it's

flavor. When he's a little older, you can maybe put it inside of things

that get eaten whole (ie ravioli).***

I know this is late, as I am WAY behind on my e-mail, but I wanted to respond

here.

I TOTALLY disagree with this. This is exactly what my parents did to me, and it

made me completely afraid to eat any food at all. The foods I avoidid affected

me in strong uncomfortable ways, but not so that my mom could see. Now as an

adult I know that I am genuinely allergic to many of the things my parents tried

to force feed me by hiding it in foods. I was so afraiod to eat anything that my

mom made due to her hiding things in all food that I weighed 55 lbs in 7th

grade.

I would seriously consider that if a child is refusing to eat certain foods, it

may be due to them following body signals they are receiving that you have no

way of seeing.

rochester@...

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