Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Has anybody asked their doctors if they will write a script for either the Valkion or one of the LED lights so that a tax break could be taken for medical expenses next year? Thanks, SharonNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Just a quick responce - the Valkion's activated water is EXCELLENT for GI issues - been doing wonders for our whole family. We do our activated water a bit different then Rita's family as I go by Dr. K's protocol which is more time less amount to drink - Rita does less time more water to drink throughout the day - I only do 1 tbls my son does 2tbls every day. Lorina > > , > > Thank you for giving an update. I've been talking with Rita off- list trying to get more feedback about the Valkion. I've talked with my husband and it looks like we're going to order it, but it's going to be a STRETCH for us financially, so hearing positive reports is a real help. The bottom line for us is that my son's lab results indicate mito disorder and he has had chronic G.I. issues since birth. He has been getting worse these last two years, almost a failure to thrive, throwing up and losing weight. We have exhausted so many therapies that did little or actually made him worse. The appeal of LED and Valkion for us is that I can do it at home and it carries very low risk of side effects. Our closest DAN doctor is Dr. Bradstreet, whom we have seen and think highly of, but his approach of spironolactone, IV chelation and HBOT are not choices that we would make for our son knowing how fragile he is and the doctors that do practice the protocols that I want to use live too far away to visit regularly. > Sharon > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Rita, Thanks so much for your post. I'm really in a bind because I don't have a doctor in my area to do the quantum neurology. There is a chiropractor locally who has module 2 training, but he won't contact Dr. E and will only use the laser for my son's neck adjustments. I did talk with at Biotools and she thought the Valkion would be perfect for my son's G.I. issues, but of course she has a vested interest. We've had the Light Works light for about a week now and I have my son using it every day for at least 30 minutes on his head/brain, liver and stomach area on C, D and E setting. Just want to say for those that are ordering from the website that is offering the discount that this man was very nice and honest and I'd go with him for your orders vs. the Sota website. A few days after I received my Light Works, I got a call from Volker (I think that's his name) and he explained that he sent me a used Light Works by mistake and that he was going to send me a new one and a return postage stamp for the first one to be sent back. I would have never known that the first one was used as it looked brand new, but he said someone had owned it for a week and returned it. I told him I was happy with the one I had and he didn't have to pay for postage to send the other one and he gave me a $40 discount and told me that if I wasn't happy with it, I could return it. So I am at a loss as to finding someone that can do Quantum Neurology, but we are also considering ordering another laser or LED as well as the Light Works since we don't have a practitioner that we can visit. Again, at Biotools was telling me that Dr. Klinghardt is seeing remarkable results with the health light, as good or better than their Light Shield which sells for double the price, but it does not have a pulse mode, so I am hesitant to put out $1,000 unless I get exactly what I want. There is also a patient laser at this website: http://www.ngtlasers.com/products.htm It requires a script from a doctor, but our pediatrician will write one. It's called a NGT-Acu-laser and is a 635 nm 10mW laser, single beam, hand held probe that's batter operated. I called their number from the website and this normally sells for $1000, the same as Biotool's Healthlight, but they are revamping this laser so that it will have pulse modes and are trying to move the old version out and are selling it for $400. The new one will be available after November 1st and will be $1000. I wish I knew more about LEDs and lasers and which one is superior. Rita, if you or anyone else has any knowledge about these lasers or have seen Dr. Klinghardt and have an opinion about this, please let me know! So in regard to the Valkion, yes, I'm a bit concerned about whether my son will handle it, but I'm thinking that I would start him by drinking only a teaspoon or tablespoon of the water and work him VERY slowly and only do that after we have been using the LEDs on him for over a month or maybe more. Do you think I should make an appointment with nna, Dr. Klinghardt's nurse? She does phone consults and maybe having her to speak with would be better than not having any supervision at all. My son is also supposed to start on an anti-viral. When I talked to the pediatrician today, she said she wanted my son to start LDM-100, which is so surprising that she even knew about it. She said she has another patient who is on it and doing very well. So there is a lot to consider and I have not even begun to address the Borrelia/lyme issue as it is all overwhelming me right now. Thanks again, Sharon ,________________________ Rita, you wrote: Yes MANY people are testing well with the water, but one thing has me additionally concerned reading further your post. Because of your son's situation, I'm going to take a turn here. The number one thing I'd recommend for you because of your sons situation is the LED (Lightworks is the least expensive) and QN. I agree with you that you need to take it slower than the IV Chelation and HBOT. The Valkion is a much better/slower choice than these, but as I'm seeing the whole picture of your son's failure to thrive the detox even the Valkion brings may be to much until you stabalize the detox pathways and GI (and diet is great, but I've seen enough to know to get on the fast-track with cold laser, QN and the Valkion). Here's my concern. My good friend is now seeing Dr. . Her son has been a good friend of my sons and in most of my son's classes. She has been a big supporter of my sons, being there for us through some really tough times. She was in a minor accident a year or 2 ago. She has been through physical therapy, massage therapy, and many, many doctors. She is early 40's, and until recently appeared to be the "picture of health" (at least on the outside). She takes care of herself, eats well and so active she was teaching excersize classes at the local health club. Last summer she spent the entire summer sick with strep & cold stuff. This summer she's felt so weak and tired she can no longer teach the excersize class. She's asked many typical doctors and NO ONE has any answers. As school started up we started talking, she was telling what she has been going through. I looked at her and said, "Do you want answers...it won't be conventional docs though. has an appt next Thursday, you are welcome to come along." She said, "I've seen what you've done with , I'll be there". Next day I brought her an Asyra brochure, showed her 's Asyra reports and DE's phone number in case she was interested in making an appt before ours. She did. That was 2 weeks ago. She has answers, and yes she is sick with Bartonella and several other micro-organisms. She was so excited to have answers and sees this as a major turn around from continuing in her path of progressively worse health. She looks so healthy, but could not do most of the multiple neurological health challenges DE put her through. DE is starting with the basics...the gut, liver, lymph, adrenal stress...sound familiar. Here's the point of all this. I gave her a pint of Valkion Water to have DE test her with last week, and sent my Valkion up with her for Limin and those from out of town that were here last week to use with DE's direction. DE tested my friend and told her not to use the Valkion, either water or air just yet as her system was not ready for the dye off! She said a couple more QN treatments and then some ART testing of supplements and binders and she'll be ready to start slowly, Activated Water first. You can see my concern here. With him being this sick we need to make sure his detox pathways are able to handle even the safer Valkion. With him this sick, I want this to be done correctly with the least amount of stress on him and you. I'm sorry, I forgot if you have a QN doctor somewhere by you? If so, before you invest in the Valkion, start with QN and a home cold laser program like the Lightworks to stabalize the detox organs. You need to get to a good muscle tester (Gayatri, you need to make a DVD or give a webinar on this for us all!!!). Your QN doctor could also help you test the Activated Water with the appropriate binders when he's ready (I'll provide you the water so you can continue saving your money while concentrating on QN. If the kids are really sick, I still want to be causious.This is really tough to support long distance, I hope I've made sence in this post.All My Best!RitaNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 We have our's for next years taxes - we even write off our bottled water we get too. I will get a prescription for the laser from Dr. E once we figure out the price for a group rate. We write EVERYTHING off that we can - even the chemicals we use for our hot tub - which is basically saline. We are writing off our swimming lessons as OT therapy, and prescription to ONLY be able to swim in Saline swimming pool. We just got our prescription for our IEP (my son only goes to school 1 -half day a wk) for pesticides begin sprayed that we need to be notified 5 days prior and our child is excused from school up to 2 days. Just a few things we do - Lorina > > Has anybody asked their doctors if they will write a script for either the Valkion or one of the LED lights so that a tax break could be taken for medical expenses next year? > Thanks, > Sharon > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Like I've said, we have A LOT to post on with so much is going on up here, especially with the Valkion. Since Lorina brought it up, Dr. Amy has been talking with both Lorina & I about the Activated Water. Lorina is making it per DK's conference. I've been making it per the Valkion manual. Neither one is right, nor wrong, it just depends on the person. We have both left samples for DA/DE to test with. Because so many are testing so well on the Activated Water she has asked us to supply some (we are the main ones active up here with it). I asked whether she wanted the offices to be activated per DK's stronger or per the manual. She told me per the manual for her office and the group, DK's can be to aggressive if your not on top of it....but fine if you have your own machine and are being closely followed. So to clarify for everyone...because I know this is the next ?: Lorina, I think your Activating 30 minutes per 8 oz glass of water, right? The manuals ( & mine) is 30 minutes of Activation per just under a quart (it splatters when it's being activated) then I top with addition activated water to make an entire full quart. Sharon,Yes MANY people are testing well with the water, but one thing has me additionally concerned reading further your post. Because of your son's situation, I'm going to take a turn here. The number one thing I'd recommend for you because of your sons situation is the LED (Lightworks is the least expensive) and QN. I agree with you that you need to take it slower than the IV Chelation and HBOT. The Valkion is a much better/slower choice than these, but as I'm seeing the whole picture of your son's failure to thrive the detox even the Valkion brings may be to much until you stabalize the detox pathways and GI (and diet is great, but I've seen enough to know to get on the fast-track with cold laser, QN and the Valkion). Here's my concern. My good friend is now seeing Dr. . Her son has been a good friend of my sons and in most of my son's classes. She has been a big supporter of my sons, being there for us through some really tough times. She was in a minor accident a year or 2 ago. She has been through physical therapy, massage therapy, and many, many doctors. She is early 40's, and until recently appeared to be the "picture of health" (at least on the outside). She takes care of herself, eats well and so active she was teaching excersize classes at the local health club. Last summer she spent the entire summer sick with strep & cold stuff. This summer she's felt so weak and tired she can no longer teach the excersize class. She's asked many typical doctors and NO ONE has any answers. As school started up we started talking, she was telling what she has been going through. I looked at her and said, "Do you want answers...it won't be conventional docs though. has an appt next Thursday, you are welcome to come along." She said, "I've seen what you've done with , I'll be there". Next day I brought her an Asyra brochure, showed her 's Asyra reports and DE's phone number in case she was interested in making an appt before ours. She did. That was 2 weeks ago. She has answers, and yes she is sick with Bartonella and several other micro-organisms. She was so excited to have answers and sees this as a major turn around from continuing in her path of progressively worse health. She looks so healthy, but could not do most of the multiple neurological health challenges DE put her through. DE is starting with the basics...the gut, liver, lymph, adrenal stress...sound familiar. Here's the point of all this. I gave her a pint of Valkion Water to have DE test her with last week, and sent my Valkion up with her for Limin and those from out of town that were here last week to use with DE's direction. DE tested my friend and told her not to use the Valkion, either water or air just yet as her system was not ready for the dye off! She said a couple more QN treatments and then some ART testing of supplements and binders and she'll be ready to start slowly, Activated Water first. You can see my concern here. With him being this sick we need to make sure his detox pathways are able to handle even the safer Valkion. With him this sick, I want this to be done correctly with the least amount of stress on him and you. I'm sorry, I forgot if you have a QN doctor somewhere by you? If so, before you invest in the Valkion, start with QN and a home cold laser program like the Lightworks to stabalize the detox organs. You need to get to a good muscle tester (Gayatri, you need to make a DVD or give a webinar on this for us all!!!). Your QN doctor could also help you test the Activated Water with the appropriate binders when he's ready (I'll provide you the water so you can continue saving your money while concentrating on QN. If the kids are really sick, I still want to be causious.This is really tough to support long distance, I hope I've made sence in this post.All My Best!Rita ps Regarding my friends Bartonnella, it was great to watch DE pull out her "Healing Lyme" by Buhner obviously well used with pages marked and high-lighted to show my friend. She said it was the "Bible" of Lyme. I got home and sent her the LIA foundation website link...she's greatful for the answers and help (Thank You Once Again Tami!!!) At least we all have good support and are moving in the right direction. >> ,>> Thank you for giving an update. I've been talking with Rita off-list trying to get more feedback about the Valkion. I've talkedwith my husband and it looks like we're going to order it, but it'sgoing to be a STRETCH for us financially, so hearing positivereports is a real help. The bottom line for us is that my son'slabresults indicate mito disorder and he has had chronic G.I. issuessince birth. He has been getting worse these last two years,almosta failure to thrive, throwing up and losing weight. We haveexhausted so many therapies that did little or actually made himworse. The appeal of LED and Valkion for us is that I can do it athome and it carries very low risk of side effects. Our closest DANdoctor is Dr. Bradstreet, whom we have seen and think highly of,buthis approach of spironolactone, IV chelation and HBOT are notchoices that we would make for our son knowing how fragile he isandthe doctors that do practice the protocols that I want to use livetoo far away to visit regularly.> Sharon>>>>> **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at yourdestination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out!(http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)>--- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Jen, Not sure if you were asking or myself, but my son has tested negative for celiac, although his blood tests always show severe IgG reaction, and he does not eat any grains of any kind. Sharon Re: Valkion update Posted by: " H" jenuhferr@... whitewave_lotus Tue Oct 7, 2008 7:50 am (PDT) Hi ... I know I'm coming into this out of nowhere, but have you had your son tested for celiac's or tried GFCF diet?Jen :)slkbrookeaol wrote:>> ,> > Thank you for giving an update. I've been talking with Rita off-list > trying to get more feedback about the Valkion. I've talked with my > husband and it looks like we're going to order it, but it's going to > be a STRETCH for us financially, so hearing positive reports is a real > help. The bottom line for us is that my son's lab results indicate > mito disorder and he has had chronic G.I. issues since birth. He has > been getting worse these last two years, almost a failure to thrive, > throwing up and losing weight. We have exhausted so many therapies > that did little or actually made him worse. The appeal of LED and > Valkion for us is that I can do it at home and it carries very low > risk of side effects. Our closest DAN doctor is Dr. Bradstreet, > whom we have seen and think highly of, but his approach of > spironolactone, IV chelation and HBOT are not choices that we would > make for our son knowing how fragile he is and the doctors that do > practice the protocols that I want to use live too far away to visit > regularly. > Sharon> >>New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Lorina, Yes, thanks that was SO helpful. I don't really understand how you are making the water different than Rita. When we actually get the Valkion and look over the directions, maybe you or Rita can get back with me and explain the way that Dr. K recommends. ( I think I might understand it better once I read the directions and have the machine in front of me). When you see Dr. E tomorrow, can you find out what type of laser she's using in her office for you? When I talked with at Biotools this afternoon, she said that the Health Light is only to be used for 1 minute on each spot for 2x a day. My husband said that if we order another laser or LED light, that I can't keep the LightWorks, so this is very disappointing although I can understand with finances and such. I felt like I was starting to get a cold this evening and I used the Light Works exclusively for about 20 minutes on my throat, nose and forehead and when I was done most of my symptoms were gone. Really amazing! So I'm reluctant to give up the Light Works so quickly. I seem to get better success using the C, D and E setting for longer periods of time than trying to rotate to different spots of the body in 30 minute's time. Also, thanks for your LDM-100 update. Take care, Sharon 1i. Valkion update Posted by: "Lorina" lorina@... ebaysnowboarder Tue Oct 7, 2008 5:13 pm (PDT) I personally would of the LDM-100 if your doc has suggested it - it DID wonders for my son. As for my opinion on the Valkion - would invest in this machine overall other protocols. It has been amazing not only with my family but many families worldwide. I would simple start off really slow, till you work up to where your "mama meter" tells you OK this is perfect for my child. As for my son, we first started off with 3 mins for 3 days - working our way up to 6 mins when my son started to detox metals from passages we didn't even know about - it was incredible!!! As with anything you do, start slow and work up to where the body can handle the load of die off or stress. For for the activated water - at the Conference Dr K stated 30 mins for an 8 oz water - that he personally has seen better results then what the manual states. So we went with him. What we noticed is we only need a little at a time - and does wonder for energy -healing - detoxing. If we do to much, you will have the side effects like any form of detox out there. The nice thing is it doesn't have overwhelming side effects on the body. So my NT daughter does 2-3 tlbs a wk, her stools are better and she is not complaining about stomach upsets - (she has yeast issues from time-time) my husband is the one that can do the most - he loves it! He takes in about 3-4 tbls a day or every other day when he remembers. Myself I have parasite issues - but I am sensitive to about everything out there - so after being tested I can only handle about 1 tbls a day. My ASD son, does 2 tbls each day but has to be 1-2 hrs from the time we do the Valkion. As for the Valkion time - again my NT Daughter only does it 2x a wk at 7 mins. Husband does 10 mins every other day, Myself I do 7 mins 2x a wk, and my ASD son does it differently - we go maybe 2-4 days straight for 8 mins, then we back off for a couple days, then we do it again - we have seen huge leaps by giving his body small breaks. We cannot do it at night, as it keeps a lot of us up or myself I dream to much I feel un-rested the next morning Dr.A likes us to activate water for her nurse per Dr K protocol as it seems to help her better - she doesn't have any of my water up there as they both have been using it up. She did talk with Rita about doing up some activated water - but for our family we like the less amount overall the more to drink throughout the day - Like Rita mentioned one is NOT better over the other - its how your family can handle the water - for us we like to activated a litter and (30 mins per 8 oz) and it will last our whole family nearly 2 wks - so less time activating water. I don't know how many litters Rita's family goes though with the lesser time and more water - Rita could you answer that ??? ThanksHope some of my information helps some of your questions - I see Dr E tomorrow - I can ask her some questions if I can - and get back to youThe main reason I am going with the pulse laser over the other lasers - the pulse works on the cellular level to get them to work together - the single lit laser with no pulse only works on that spot - does this make sense to you? We have been seeing Dr. E for nearly 3 hrs now - and she has been doing wonders for both myself and son. I see her personally every 3-4 wks right now my son doesn't need to see her - his body isn't accepting the laser at this time via Dr Amy testing. She feels the valkion has replaced a lot of our extra supplements - therapy - and saving us a lot of money these last few months - its been a blessing!!LorinaNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Hi Guys, I just wanted to update. I have been using my valkion for just about 3 weeks now and I went to quickly and did herx pretty good with it. My fault. I was drinking water and using the air. I was told by at biotools to do the 30 minutes for 1 qt of water, so I am interested in what Dr K says to do. Maybe someone can tell me more his theory. Despite the herx, I am definitely feeling better with it. I wonder if it can kill the lyme or mainly just detox?? As far as the health light and LED, I am going to Germany next week to use the bionic. Will let everyone know my results. Thanks Ruth Just a quick responce - the Valkion's activated water is EXCELLENT for GI issues - been doing wonders for our whole family. We do our activated water a bit different then Rita's family as I go by Dr. K's protocol which is more time less amount to drink - Rita does less time more water to drink throughout the day - I only do 1 tbls my son does 2tbls every day. Lorina > > , > > Thank you for giving an update. I've been talking with Rita off- list trying to get more feedback about the Valkion. I've talked with my husband and it looks like we're going to order it, but it's going to be a STRETCH for us financially, so hearing positive reports is a real help. The bottom line for us is that my son's lab results indicate mito disorder and he has had chronic G.I. issues since birth. He has been getting worse these last two years, almost a failure to thrive, throwing up and losing weight. We have exhausted so many therapies that did little or actually made him worse. The appeal of LED and Valkion for us is that I can do it at home and it carries very low risk of side effects. Our closest DAN doctor is Dr. Bradstreet, whom we have seen and think highly of, but his approach of spironolactone, IV chelation and HBOT are not choices that we would make for our son knowing how fragile he is and the doctors that do practice the protocols that I want to use live too far away to visit regularly. > Sharon > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I personally would of the LDM-100 if your doc has suggested it - it DID wonders for my son. As for my opinion on the Valkion - would invest in this machine overall other protocols. It has been amazing not only with my family but many families worldwide. I would simple start off really really slow, till you work up to where your " mama meter " tells you OK this is perfect for my child. As for my son, we first started off with 3 mins for 3 days - working our way up to 6 mins when my son started to detox metals from passages we didn't even know about - it was incredible!!! As with anything you do, start slow and work up to where the body can handle the load of die off or stress. For for the activated water - at the Conference Dr K stated 30 mins for an 8 oz water - that he personally has seen better results then what the manual states. So we went with him. What we noticed is we only need a little at a time - and does wonder for energy -healing - detoxing. If we do to much, you will have the side effects like any form of detox out there. The nice thing is it doesn't have overwhelming side effects on the body. So my NT daughter does 2-3 tlbs a wk, her stools are better and she is not complaining about stomach upsets - (she has yeast issues from time-time) my husband is the one that can do the most - he loves it! He takes in about 3-4 tbls a day or every other day when he remembers. Myself I have parasite issues - but I am sensitive to about everything out there - so after being tested I can only handle about 1 tbls a day. My ASD son, does 2 tbls each day but has to be 1- 2 hrs from the time we do the Valkion. As for the Valkion time - again my NT Daughter only does it 2x a wk at 7 mins. Husband does 10 mins every other day, Myself I do 7 mins 2x a wk, and my ASD son does it differently - we go maybe 2-4 days straight for 8 mins, then we back off for a couple days, then we do it again - we have seen huge leaps by giving his body small breaks. We cannot do it at night, as it keeps a lot of us up or myself I dream to much I feel un-rested the next morning Dr.A likes us to activate water for her nurse per Dr K protocol as it seems to help her better - she doesn't have any of my water up there as they both have been using it up. She did talk with Rita about doing up some activated water - but for our family we like the less amount overall the more to drink throughout the day - Like Rita mentioned one is NOT better over the other - its how your family can handle the water - for us we like to activated a litter and (30 mins per 8 oz) and it will last our whole family nearly 2 wks - so less time activating water. I don't know how many litters Rita's family goes though with the lesser time and more water - Rita could you answer that ??? Thanks Hope some of my information helps some of your questions - I see Dr E tomorrow - I can ask her some questions if I can - and get back to you The main reason I am going with the pulse laser over the other lasers - the pulse works on the cellular level to get them to work together - the single lit laser with no pulse only works on that spot - does this make sense to you? We have been seeing Dr. E for nearly 3 hrs now - and she has been doing wonders for both myself and son. I see her personally every 3-4 wks right now my son doesn't need to see her - his body isn't accepting the laser at this time via Dr Amy testing. She feels the valkion has replaced a lot of our extra supplements - therapy - and saving us a lot of money these last few months - its been a blessing!! Lorina > Yes MANY people are testing well with the water, but one thing has me additionally concerned reading further your post. Because of your son's situation, I'm going to take a turn here. The number one thing I'd recommend for you because of your sons situation is the LED (Lightworks is the least expensive) and QN. I agree with you that you need to take it slower than the IV Chelation and HBOT. The Valkion is a much better/slower choice than these, but as I'm seeing the whole picture of your son's failure to thrive the detox even the Valkion brings may be to much until you stabalize the detox pathways and GI (and diet is great, but I've seen enough to know to get on the fast-track with cold laser, QN and the Valkion). > > Here's my concern. My good friend is now seeing Dr. . Her son has been a good friend of my sons and in most of my son's classes. She has been a big supporter of my sons, being there for us through some really tough times. She was in a minor accident a year or 2 ago. She has been through physical therapy, massage therapy, and many, many doctors. She is early 40's, and until recently appeared to be the " picture of health " (at least on the outside). She takes care of herself, eats well and so active she was teaching excersize classes at the local health club. Last summer she spent the entire summer sick with strep & cold stuff. This summer she's felt so weak and tired she can no longer teach the excersize class. She's asked many typical doctors and NO ONE has any answers. As school started up we started talking, she was telling what she has been going through. I looked at her and said, " Do you want answers...it won't be conventional docs though. has an appt next Thursday, you are welcome to come along. " She said, " I've seen what you've done with , I'll be there " . Next day I brought her an Asyra brochure, showed her 's Asyra reports and DE's phone number in case she was interested in making an appt before ours. She did. That was 2 weeks ago. She has answers, and yes she is sick with Bartonella and several other micro-organisms. She was so excited to have answers and sees this as a major turn around from continuing in her path of progressively worse health. She looks so healthy, but could not do most of the multiple neurological health challenges DE put her through. DE is starting with the basics...the gut, liver, lymph, adrenal stress...sound familiar. Here's the point of all this. I gave her a pint of Valkion Water to have DE test her with last week, and sent my Valkion up with her for Limin and those from out of town that were here last week to use with DE's direction. DE tested my friend and told her not to use the Valkion, either water or air just yet as her s > ystem was not ready for the dye off! She said a couple more QN treatments and then some ART testing of supplements and binders and she'll be ready to start slowly, Activated Water first. > You can see my concern here. With him being this sick we need to make sure his detox pathways are able to handle even the safer Valkion. With him this sick, I want this to be done correctly with the least amount of stress on him and you. I'm sorry, I forgot if you have a QN doctor somewhere by you? If so, before you invest in the Valkion, start with QN and a home cold laser program like the Lightworks to stabalize the detox organs. You need to get to a good muscle tester (Gayatri, you need to make a DVD or give a webinar on this for us all!!!). Your QN doctor could also help you test the Activated Water with the appropriate binders when he's ready (I'll provide you the water so you can continue saving your money while concentrating on QN. If the kids are really sick, I still want to be causious. > This is really tough to support long distance, I hope I've made sence in this post. > All My Best! > Rita > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Lorina, Your post was awesome, THANK YOU!! Sharon, To help clarify this for you, there is nothing the machine does differently between Lorina's and mine, the machine has only one way to Activate water (it is really quite an easy machine to use). The difference is in the quanity of water that is being activated in relation to the amount of Activation time. As DA, Lorina & I have looked at this it all makes good science sense. Lorina activates 30 min per 8 oz's. I activate 30 min for just under a quart (about 28 oz to make it mathmatically work lets just call it a quart...32 oz). So 4 times more water to activate in 30 minutes. 8 x 4 = 32 So Lorina's 8 oz is 4 times stronger Activation than my 32 oz, therefore her's is 4 times stonger than mine, so she uses less per dose. Think of this as tylonol....you either take 2 regular (200ml) or 1 extra strength (500ml). Some people like to take a lower dose and may choose to take 2 or 3 over the course of the day. Some just want the high dose all at once. It is not right or wrong, just different options for different people. For DA, she wanted the lower dose so she could better control those that need really low doses and then they could work up from there knowing that it can start the body detoxing (kind of like infant tylonol). She services many that could handle the strong stuff...then she also has those that need to take it slower. Her decision was to have me do the weeker approach. Neither your machine nor the manual will teach you this....this is purely learning from DK, DA and DE's experience. We have known about this for several weeks, but had not had a chance to post about it. Hope this makes it clearer. Regarding the type of laser in DE's office, she has 4-5 (5 when she can get it from her parents...we laugh). Do an advanced search for message #1618 posted last July. I'm with Lorina...I wouldn't give up that Lightworks so quickly. You got a screaming deal and are on a tight budget. I am also thrilled to hear a doctor has recommended the LDM- 100...I'm truely impressed!! As you know the LDM-100 has been wonderful for my son too. Lorina, I can't tell you how many liters, I haven't kept track. Dr Amy said, if wants more, give him more. He is currently using about 3 oz 2-3 times a day. For the rest of us it's about the same...except my husband that uses more during his workout to boost his workout. I promote water drinking around here so 15 gal of purified water for the 4 of us is pretty typical....what's one more liter? I also second Lorina's comment that our supplements are down and it is a HUGE blessing for us as well! Rita > > Lorina, > > Yes, thanks that was SO helpful. I don't really understand how you are > making the water different than Rita. When we actually get the Valkion and look > over the directions, maybe you or Rita can get back with me and explain the > way that Dr. K recommends. ( I think I might understand it better once I read > the directions and have the machine in front of me). > > When you see Dr. E tomorrow, can you find out what type of laser she's using > in her office for you? When I talked with at Biotools this afternoon, > she said that the Health Light is only to be used for 1 minute on each spot > for 2x a day. My husband said that if we order another laser or LED light, > that I can't keep the LightWorks, so this is very disappointing although I can > understand with finances and such. I felt like I was starting to get a cold > this evening and I used the Light Works exclusively for about 20 minutes on > my throat, nose and forehead and when I was done most of my symptoms were > gone. Really amazing! So I'm reluctant to give up the Light Works so quickly. > I seem to get better success using the C, D and E setting for longer periods > of time than trying to rotate to different spots of the body in 30 minute's > time. > > Also, thanks for your LDM-100 update. > Take care, > Sharon > > > 1i. > _Valkion update _ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism/me ssage/3509;_ylc=X3oDMTJydG1nY2w1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwOTAzODMxB > GdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRtc2dJZAMzNTA5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW 1lAzEyMjM > 0MjU4Mjk-) > Posted by: " Lorina " _lorina@... _ > (mailto:lorina@...?Subject= Re:Valkion%20update) _ebaysnowboarder _ > (http://profiles.yahoo.com/ebaysnowboarder) > Tue Oct 7, 2008 5:13 pm (PDT) > I personally would of the LDM-100 if your doc has suggested it - it > DID wonders for my son. As for my opinion on the Valkion - would > invest in this machine overall other protocols. It has been amazing > not only with my family but many families worldwide. I would simple > start off really slow, till you work up to where your " mama > meter " tells you OK this is perfect for my child. As for my son, we > first started off with 3 mins for 3 days - working our way up to 6 > mins when my son started to detox metals from passages we didn't even > know about - it was incredible!!kn > > As with anything you do, start slow and work up to where the body can > handle the load of die off or stress. > > For for the activated water - at the Conference Dr K stated 30 mins > for an 8 oz water - that he personally has seen better results then > what the manual states. So we went with him. What we noticed is we > only need a little at a time - and does wonder for energy - healing - > detoxing. If we do to much, you will have the side effects like any > form of detox out there. The nice thing is it doesn't have > overwhelming side effects on the body. > > So my NT daughter does 2-3 tlbs a wk, her stools are better and she > is not complaining about stomach upsets - (she has yeast issues from > time-time) my husband is the one that can do the most - he loves it! > He takes in about 3-4 tbls a day or every other day when he > remembers. Myself I have parasite issues - but I am sensitive to > about everything out there - so after being tested I can only handle > about 1 tbls a day. My ASD son, does 2 tbls each day but has to be 1- > 2 hrs from the time we do the Valkion. > > As for the Valkion time - again my NT Daughter only does it 2x a wk > at 7 mins. Husband does 10 mins every other day, Myself I do 7 mins > 2x a wk, and my ASD son does it differently - we go maybe 2-4 days > straight for 8 mins, then we back off for a couple days, then we do > it again - we have seen huge leaps by giving his body small breaks. > We cannot do it at night, as it keeps a lot of us up or myself I > dream to much I feel un-rested the next morning > > Dr.A likes us to activate water for her nurse per Dr K protocol as it > seems to help her better - she doesn't have any of my water up there > as they both have been using it up. She did talk with Rita about > doing up some activated water - but for our family we like the less > amount overall the more to drink throughout the day - Like Rita > mentioned one is NOT better over the other - its how your family can > handle the water - for us we like to activated a litter and (30 mins > per 8 oz) and it will last our whole family nearly 2 wks - so less > time activating water. I don't know how many litters Rita's family > goes though with the lesser time and more water - Rita could you > answer that ??? Thanks > > Hope some of my information helps some of your questions - I see Dr E > tomorrow - I can ask her some questions if I can - and get back to you > > The main reason I am going with the pulse laser over the other > lasers - the pulse works on the cellular level to get them to work > together - the single lit laser with no pulse only works on that > spot - does this make sense to you? We have been seeing Dr. E for > nearly 3 hrs now - and she has been doing wonders for both myself and > son. I see her personally every 3-4 wks right now my son doesn't need > to see her - his body isn't accepting the laser at this time via Dr > Amy testing. She feels the valkion has replaced a lot of our extra > supplements - therapy - and saving us a lot of money these last few > months - its been a blessing!! > > Lorina > > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Sharon- I agree with Rita that you must be very careful and conservative with Valkion, especially with your son's gut issues. Do you live in Phoenix? I would be happy to active some water so you could try it before you buy. I think it would be better to start with the water. Feel free to e-mail me off line. I also activate per valkion instructions so it is less concentrated than DK's method. > > , > > Thank you for giving an update. I've been talking with Rita off- list trying to get more feedback about the Valkion. I've talked with my husband and it looks like we're going to order it, but it's going to be a STRETCH for us financially, so hearing positive reports is a real help. The bottom line for us is that my son's lab results indicate mito disorder and he has had chronic G.I. issues since birth. He has been getting worse these last two years, almost a failure to thrive, throwing up and losing weight. We have exhausted so many therapies that did little or actually made him worse. The appeal of LED and Valkion for us is that I can do it at home and it carries very low risk of side effects. Our closest DAN doctor is Dr. Bradstreet, whom we have seen and think highly of, but his approach of spironolactone, IV chelation and HBOT are not choices that we would make for our son knowing how fragile he is and the doctors that do practice the protocols that I want to use live too far away to visit regularly. > Sharon > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Hi Jen- Yes- we have done all the testing and my son has done various diets. Diets always help and as his body terrain has shifted in the last few years so has the diet! We have done GFCF with corn, without corn, SCD, low-oxalate, low-phenol... but now just casein-free with all grains excluding wheat- spelt ok. He is IgG deficient so working to boost that and rid the bugs. > > > > , > > > > Thank you for giving an update. I've been talking with Rita off- list > > trying to get more feedback about the Valkion. I've talked with my > > husband and it looks like we're going to order it, but it's going to > > be a STRETCH for us financially, so hearing positive reports is a real > > help. The bottom line for us is that my son's lab results indicate > > mito disorder and he has had chronic G.I. issues since birth. He has > > been getting worse these last two years, almost a failure to thrive, > > throwing up and losing weight. We have exhausted so many therapies > > that did little or actually made him worse. The appeal of LED and > > Valkion for us is that I can do it at home and it carries very low > > risk of side effects. Our closest DAN doctor is Dr. Bradstreet, > > whom we have seen and think highly of, but his approach of > > spironolactone, IV chelation and HBOT are not choices that we would > > make for our son knowing how fragile he is and the doctors that do > > practice the protocols that I want to use live too far away to visit > > regularly. > > Sharon > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > New *MapQuest Local* shows what's happening at your destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out > > <http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001>! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Great explanation! I think of it like concentrated drink beverages- you can make it heavy or light depending on what you need and who else is drinking from the bottle! -- In BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism , " childbalance " wrote: > > Lorina, > Your post was awesome, THANK YOU!! > Sharon, > To help clarify this for you, there is nothing the machine does > differently between Lorina's and mine, the machine has only one way > to Activate water (it is really quite an easy machine to use). The > difference is in the quanity of water that is being activated in > relation to the amount of Activation time. As DA, Lorina & I have > looked at this it all makes good science sense. > Lorina activates 30 min per 8 oz's. > I activate 30 min for just under a quart (about 28 oz to make it > mathmatically work lets just call it a quart...32 oz). So 4 times > more water to activate in 30 minutes. > 8 x 4 = 32 > So Lorina's 8 oz is 4 times stronger Activation than my 32 oz, > therefore her's is 4 times stonger than mine, so she uses less per > dose. > Think of this as tylonol....you either take 2 regular (200ml) or 1 > extra strength (500ml). Some people like to take a lower dose and > may choose to take 2 or 3 over the course of the day. Some just want > the high dose all at once. It is not right or wrong, just different > options for different people. For DA, she wanted the lower dose so > she could better control those that need really low doses and then > they could work up from there knowing that it can start the body > detoxing (kind of like infant tylonol). She services many that could > handle the strong stuff...then she also has those that need to take > it slower. Her decision was to have me do the weeker approach. > Neither your machine nor the manual will teach you this....this is > purely learning from DK, DA and DE's experience. We have known about > this for several weeks, but had not had a chance to post about it. > Hope this makes it clearer. > > Regarding the type of laser in DE's office, she has 4-5 (5 when she > can get it from her parents...we laugh). Do an advanced search for > message #1618 posted last July. I'm with Lorina...I wouldn't give up > that Lightworks so quickly. You got a screaming deal and are on a > tight budget. > > I am also thrilled to hear a doctor has recommended the LDM- > 100...I'm truely impressed!! As you know the LDM-100 has been > wonderful for my son too. > > Lorina, I can't tell you how many liters, I haven't kept track. Dr > Amy said, if wants more, give him more. He is currently using > about 3 oz 2-3 times a day. For the rest of us it's about the > same...except my husband that uses more during his workout to boost > his workout. I promote water drinking around here so 15 gal of > purified water for the 4 of us is pretty typical....what's one more > liter? > > I also second Lorina's comment that our supplements are down and it > is a HUGE blessing for us as well! > Rita > > > > > > Lorina, > > > > Yes, thanks that was SO helpful. I don't really understand how > you are > > making the water different than Rita. When we actually get the > Valkion and look > > over the directions, maybe you or Rita can get back with me and > explain the > > way that Dr. K recommends. ( I think I might understand it better > once I read > > the directions and have the machine in front of me). > > > > When you see Dr. E tomorrow, can you find out what type of laser > she's using > > in her office for you? When I talked with at Biotools this > afternoon, > > she said that the Health Light is only to be used for 1 minute on > each spot > > for 2x a day. My husband said that if we order another laser or > LED light, > > that I can't keep the LightWorks, so this is very disappointing > although I can > > understand with finances and such. I felt like I was starting to > get a cold > > this evening and I used the Light Works exclusively for about 20 > minutes on > > my throat, nose and forehead and when I was done most of my > symptoms were > > gone. Really amazing! So I'm reluctant to give up the Light > Works so quickly. > > I seem to get better success using the C, D and E setting for > longer periods > > of time than trying to rotate to different spots of the body in > 30 minute's > > time. > > > > Also, thanks for your LDM-100 update. > > Take care, > > Sharon > > > > > > 1i. > > _Valkion update _ > > > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism/me > ssage/3509;_ylc=X3oDMTJydG1nY2w1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwOTAzODMxB > > > GdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRtc2dJZAMzNTA5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW > 1lAzEyMjM > > 0MjU4Mjk-) > > Posted by: " Lorina " _lorina@ _ > > (mailto:lorina@?Subject= Re:Valkion%20update) > _ebaysnowboarder _ > > (http://profiles.yahoo.com/ebaysnowboarder) > > Tue Oct 7, 2008 5:13 pm (PDT) > > I personally would of the LDM-100 if your doc has suggested it - > it > > DID wonders for my son. As for my opinion on the Valkion - would > > invest in this machine overall other protocols. It has been > amazing > > not only with my family but many families worldwide. I would > simple > > start off really slow, till you work up to where your " mama > > meter " tells you OK this is perfect for my child. As for my son, > we > > first started off with 3 mins for 3 days - working our way up to > 6 > > mins when my son started to detox metals from passages we didn't > even > > know about - it was incredible!!kn > > > > As with anything you do, start slow and work up to where the body > can > > handle the load of die off or stress. > > > > For for the activated water - at the Conference Dr K stated 30 > mins > > for an 8 oz water - that he personally has seen better results > then > > what the manual states. So we went with him. What we noticed is > we > > only need a little at a time - and does wonder for energy - > healing - > > detoxing. If we do to much, you will have the side effects like > any > > form of detox out there. The nice thing is it doesn't have > > overwhelming side effects on the body. > > > > So my NT daughter does 2-3 tlbs a wk, her stools are better and > she > > is not complaining about stomach upsets - (she has yeast issues > from > > time-time) my husband is the one that can do the most - he loves > it! > > He takes in about 3-4 tbls a day or every other day when he > > remembers. Myself I have parasite issues - but I am sensitive to > > about everything out there - so after being tested I can only > handle > > about 1 tbls a day. My ASD son, does 2 tbls each day but has to > be 1- > > 2 hrs from the time we do the Valkion. > > > > As for the Valkion time - again my NT Daughter only does it 2x a > wk > > at 7 mins. Husband does 10 mins every other day, Myself I do 7 > mins > > 2x a wk, and my ASD son does it differently - we go maybe 2-4 > days > > straight for 8 mins, then we back off for a couple days, then we > do > > it again - we have seen huge leaps by giving his body small > breaks. > > We cannot do it at night, as it keeps a lot of us up or myself I > > dream to much I feel un-rested the next morning > > > > Dr.A likes us to activate water for her nurse per Dr K protocol as > it > > seems to help her better - she doesn't have any of my water up > there > > as they both have been using it up. She did talk with Rita about > > doing up some activated water - but for our family we like the > less > > amount overall the more to drink throughout the day - Like Rita > > mentioned one is NOT better over the other - its how your family > can > > handle the water - for us we like to activated a litter and (30 > mins > > per 8 oz) and it will last our whole family nearly 2 wks - so > less > > time activating water. I don't know how many litters Rita's > family > > goes though with the lesser time and more water - Rita could you > > answer that ??? Thanks > > > > Hope some of my information helps some of your questions - I see > Dr E > > tomorrow - I can ask her some questions if I can - and get back > to you > > > > The main reason I am going with the pulse laser over the other > > lasers - the pulse works on the cellular level to get them to > work > > together - the single lit laser with no pulse only works on that > > spot - does this make sense to you? We have been seeing Dr. E for > > nearly 3 hrs now - and she has been doing wonders for both myself > and > > son. I see her personally every 3-4 wks right now my son doesn't > need > > to see her - his body isn't accepting the laser at this time via > Dr > > Amy testing. She feels the valkion has replaced a lot of our > extra > > supplements - therapy - and saving us a lot of money these last > few > > months - its been a blessing!! > > > > Lorina > > > > > > > > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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