Re: digestion (was 3 or 4 meals)

[Guest guest]

This is the kind of issue that is the result of an aberrated culture,

namely ours. So in spite of wanting this to be a simple answer it is

not. The primary thing is to understand what the signs of poor

digestion are. And then when you look at some of the solutions that

restore digestion to its proper place you must realize what signals

to look for whether its working or if the body is so out of balance

that the remedy is making it worse. So my suggestion is first

determining if digestion is poor. Certainly gallbladder problems

would qualify no doubt, however stool color, consistency and

frequency are all great indicators of how well digestion is

occuring. Once that is determined then it is time to consider some

options, the most common is achlorhydria or not enough acid in the

stomach however this usually has been a chronic problem and that

means there are degenerative problems that may have been left in its

wake. Gallbladder problems, leaky gut, hormonal issues, toxic bowel,

I could list a thousand different things. So sometimes the answer is

a simple go take some betaine hydrochloride with each meal and voila

things are moving however more times than not the tangled web we have

woven of sugar, carb and fat abuse does not allow it to be that

simple and here is where we can get into trouble. So my ultimate

suggestion would be determining if digestion is good or poor and then

really consulting with a qualified professional who really knows

their stuff. Meaning they recommend a traditional style of eating

and food prep, they understand how these things occur and have some

experience helping people weave their way through what can at times

be a confusing rebuilding period. You may have someone in your area

who can do this, or there are several very well respected more than

qualified professionals who can work with you from your home and do

this type of assesment and help you rebuild your digestion. And

should you take the time to do that, I can promise you that it will

be the single most important thing you've ever done for your own

health and wellbeing. Well maybe not the most important most

important would have to be never eating margarine. :-)))

Carma as you know I am looking for someone for you in your area. I

will have a final answer for you tomorrow. And as you also know this

is something I would be more than happy to work with you on. It is a

complex issue that is usually simply solved it just takes some time

and some know how. Also Dr. Byrnes does this type of work I

believe and I'm certain he'd be willing to work with you also.

As Always

Wishing you my very best,

Dr. Marasco,BS,DC

Cincinnati, Oh

> >> Many of the things done in traditional food prep will help,

> however my experience says that it will not be enough by itself to

> restore the defecit left by the devastating effects of traditional

> modern american eating. It will take time to restore your

digestion

> back to its proper state however it can and has been done. <<

>

> How does one restore digestion to its proper state? I have

gallstones

> (under control - since I quit eating wheat, they quit attacking me)

and

> I know that means very poor digestion and overloaded liver. I take

milk

> thistle to help the liver, and I'm getting more and more NT in my

> eating. What else?

>

> ~ Carma ~

>

> To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually

> ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be

manured,

> and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell

>

> Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

Carma -

I had a lot of gall stones, and even (unfortunately) had my gall bladder removed

before I found this natural cure:

The Hulda Liver cleanse. It's in her book called " The Cure for All

Diseases " I don't agree with a lot of what she says (boil everything to

sterilize it before eating it), but I've done the liver cleanse twice and got

rid of hundreds (possibly a couple of thousand) of stones (the stones form in

the liver first). My digestion and elimination improved immediately (you can

e-mail me privately for more details), and were back to the way they were before

the gall bladder was removed. (the doctors lied about there being " no impact "

from the removal).

I did the parasite cleanse first (as recommends), but I'm not sure it's

even necessary.

The cleanse itself is a bit unpleasant, because it involves taking a few doses

of epsom salts dissolved in water. They taste really yucky, but they open up

the ducts which allows the stones to pass through freely. But the cleanse is

also gentle - says even really old people have no problem doing it. The

results were amazing.

The " recipe " may be at her website. Just do a search for " Hulda " .

Dana

----- Original Message -----

From: Carma Paden

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:22 AM

Subject: digestion (was 3 or 4 meals)

>> Many of the things done in traditional food prep will help,

however my experience says that it will not be enough by itself to

restore the defecit left by the devastating effects of traditional

modern american eating. It will take time to restore your digestion

back to its proper state however it can and has been done. <<

How does one restore digestion to its proper state? I have gallstones

(under control - since I quit eating wheat, they quit attacking me) and

I know that means very poor digestion and overloaded liver. I take milk

thistle to help the liver, and I'm getting more and more NT in my

eating. What else?

~ Carma ~

To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually

ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured,

and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

I use to have major gall bladder problems. I did 11 liver/gall bladder flushes

in a 6 year period and just kept forming new stones (even when eating a good

diet and healthy fats). The flushes were very helpful but weren't enough for me

to get normal gall bladder functioning...homeopathy helped a lot too. I wouldn't

do the Hulda cleanse though - I think she leaves out an important step

which is taking malic acid (or drinking a lot of fresh apple juice which is high

in malic acid) for 5 days prior to the flush. The malic acid softens the gall

stones so they pass easier. I know a lot of people who have done it the

way and had no problems and good results, but I wouldn't take a chance - I'd

soften them first.

Barb

Carma -

I had a lot of gall stones, and even (unfortunately) had my gall bladder

removed before I found this natural cure:

The Hulda Liver cleanse. It's in her book called " The Cure for All

Diseases " I don't agree with a lot of what she says (boil everything to

sterilize it before eating it), but I've done the liver cleanse twice and got

rid of hundreds (possibly a couple of thousand) of stones (the stones form in

the liver first). My digestion and elimination improved immediately (you can

e-mail me privately for more details), and were back to the way they were before

the gall bladder was removed. (the doctors lied about there being " no impact "

from the removal).

I did the parasite cleanse first (as recommends), but I'm not sure it's

even necessary.

The cleanse itself is a bit unpleasant, because it involves taking a few doses

of epsom salts dissolved in water. They taste really yucky, but they open up

the ducts which allows the stones to pass through freely. But the cleanse is

also gentle - says even really old people have no problem doing it. The

results were amazing.

The " recipe " may be at her website. Just do a search for " Hulda " .

Dana

----- Original Message -----

From: Carma Paden

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:22 AM

Subject: digestion (was 3 or 4 meals)

>> Many of the things done in traditional food prep will help,

however my experience says that it will not be enough by itself to

restore the defecit left by the devastating effects of traditional

modern american eating. It will take time to restore your digestion

back to its proper state however it can and has been done. <<

How does one restore digestion to its proper state? I have gallstones

(under control - since I quit eating wheat, they quit attacking me) and

I know that means very poor digestion and overloaded liver. I take milk

thistle to help the liver, and I'm getting more and more NT in my

eating. What else?

~ Carma ~

To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually

ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured,

and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

Also - regarding gall bladders and digestion. If you do a gall bladder/liver

flush/cleanse, follow it up with AF Betafood by Standard Process (probably the

best supplement for gall bladders) and lots of fermented beets. If you don't

like to make fermented vegetables, Rejevanative foods makes a fermented product

called Live zing salad which is really good and had beets in it. Wild Oats

carries it...not sure about Whole Foods.

Barb

[Guest guest]

What did you do to get normal gallbladder functioning?

Marcella

>From: Barb Carr <bdcarr@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: digestion (was 3 or 4 meals)

>Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:56:48 -0600

>

>

> I use to have major gall bladder problems. I did 11 liver/gall bladder

>flushes in a 6 year period and just kept forming new stones (even when

>eating a good diet and healthy fats). The flushes were very helpful but

>weren't enough for me to get normal gall bladder functioning...homeopathy

>helped a lot too. I wouldn't do the Hulda cleanse though - I think

>she leaves out an important step which is taking malic acid (or drinking a

>lot of fresh apple juice which is high in malic acid) for 5 days prior to

>the flush. The malic acid softens the gall stones so they pass easier. I

>know a lot of people who have done it the way and had no problems and

>good results, but I wouldn't take a chance - I'd soften them first.

> Barb

>

> Carma -

>

> I had a lot of gall stones, and even (unfortunately) had my gall bladder

>removed before I found this natural cure:

>

> The Hulda Liver cleanse. It's in her book called " The Cure for

>All Diseases " I don't agree with a lot of what she says (boil everything

>to sterilize it before eating it), but I've done the liver cleanse twice

>and got rid of hundreds (possibly a couple of thousand) of stones (the

>stones form in the liver first). My digestion and elimination improved

>immediately (you can e-mail me privately for more details), and were back

>to the way they were before the gall bladder was removed. (the doctors lied

>about there being " no impact " from the removal).

>

> I did the parasite cleanse first (as recommends), but I'm not sure

>it's even necessary.

>

> The cleanse itself is a bit unpleasant, because it involves taking a few

>doses of epsom salts dissolved in water. They taste really yucky, but they

>open up the ducts which allows the stones to pass through freely. But the

>cleanse is also gentle - says even really old people have no problem

>doing it. The results were amazing.

>

> The " recipe " may be at her website. Just do a search for " Hulda " .

>

> Dana

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Carma Paden

>

> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:22 AM

> Subject: digestion (was 3 or 4 meals)

>

>

> >> Many of the things done in traditional food prep will help,

> however my experience says that it will not be enough by itself to

> restore the defecit left by the devastating effects of traditional

> modern american eating. It will take time to restore your digestion

> back to its proper state however it can and has been done. <<

>

> How does one restore digestion to its proper state? I have gallstones

> (under control - since I quit eating wheat, they quit attacking me)

>and

> I know that means very poor digestion and overloaded liver. I take

>milk

> thistle to help the liver, and I'm getting more and more NT in my

> eating. What else?

>

> ~ Carma ~

>

> To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually

> ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be

>manured,

> and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell

>

> Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Makes an excellent point which was my attempt in the original

response. You can attempt to isolate one organ involved in

metabolism such as liver or gallbladder, however she still had

problems after nearly a dozen flushes. The problem is rarely as

simple as just flushing. Again you must first determine is the

digestion working well. Gas, bloating, belching, flatulence, stool

color,freq, and consistency are some good indicators. You can flush

gallbladders and livers and kidneys and colons all you want but if

the food is not high quality, not being chewed, not being broken down

and assimilated right the gallbladder, the liver, the colon, etc...

will continue to malfunction. This shotgun attempt is no different

than many of the myopic medical practices of giving drugs for

symptoms and never looking at the causes. ie. asprin for headache.

I have yet to see a headache caused by asprin deficiency and I have

yet to see a broken down gallbladder caused by a lack of flushing.

Flushing can be extremely healthy but is rarely addressing the root

level of what's happening. Barb said that Standard Process and

Homeopathy was helpful and combining that with some of the other

posts I've read of hers, I'll go out on a limb and say she probably

saught some professional guidance. It is a complicated road to

travel to reconstruct the digestive system function. Some are

simpler than others, take me for example it literally took me

combining with several top notch professionals to figure out the

marass I had made of my digestive system. However it was the most

important thing I ever did. By all means try some simple things on

your own but by the fact that we are interested enough to try

something to fix our digestion clearly says that there is help

needed. If your digestion is already struggling don't make it worse,

ask someone who is capable of helping you for help.

Sincerely,

DMM

> Also - regarding gall bladders and digestion. If you do a gall

bladder/liver flush/cleanse, follow it up with AF Betafood by

Standard Process (probably the best supplement for gall bladders) and

lots of fermented beets. If you don't like to make fermented

vegetables, Rejevanative foods makes a fermented product called Live

zing salad which is really good and had beets in it. Wild Oats

carries it...not sure about Whole Foods.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Provided you are doing well. And having 2 bowel movements per day

minimum that are of good consistency and color and your not having

any other symptoms, doesn't sound to me like anything needs to be

changed at all. I also see no problem with consuming some cooked

fats, I am not in agreement with the notion that the stones are from

the cooking, its a poor diet and or digestion issue. So just as you

stated I would say just keep doing what you're doing.

Sincerely,

Dr. Marasco, BS,DC

> > Also - regarding gall bladders and digestion. If you do a gall

> bladder/liver flush/cleanse, follow it up with AF Betafood by

> Standard Process (probably the best supplement for gall bladders)

and

> lots of fermented beets. If you don't like to make fermented

> vegetables, Rejevanative foods makes a fermented product called

Live

> zing salad which is really good and had beets in it. Wild Oats

> carries it...not sure about Whole Foods.

> >

> > Barb

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Good Job Dana

> > > Also - regarding gall bladders and digestion. If you do a

gall

> > bladder/liver flush/cleanse, follow it up with AF Betafood by

> > Standard Process (probably the best supplement for gall

bladders)

> and

> > lots of fermented beets. If you don't like to make fermented

> > vegetables, Rejevanative foods makes a fermented product

called

> Live

> > zing salad which is really good and had beets in it. Wild

Oats

> > carries it...not sure about Whole Foods.

> > >

> > > Barb

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> What did you do to get normal gallbladder functioning?

>

> Marcella

Marcella,

It's sort of a long story - I was very ill with chronic fatigue,

fibromyalgia, chemical sensitivities, etc. First I changed my diet (organic,

mostly vegetables and animal proteins), eliminated foods I was allergic too

(gluten, dairy, corn, sugar - mostly) and did some rapid cleansing

(intestines, liver/gall bladder). Then I did programs to kill candida and

parasites. The cleansing and candida/parasite programs were very helpful to

me but I later found out they caused some problems too (mostly the herbs

from the candida and parasite programs - can be very harsh on the

intestines). My liver and gall bladder continued to be a problem. I went NT

(except still no milk or cheese) and did lots of different homeopathics and

various vitamin supplements. My liver and gall bladder continued to be a

problem and I was frustrated because I couldn't eat the level of good fats I

wanted to because I would get such bad " flare-ups " in my liver and gall

bladder.

Then....I think the things that made the most difference has been using a

homeopathic line put out by a company called BioResource. These homeopathics

come from Germany and are the best I've used. The main ones that really

seemed to help the most was a line of what is called Isopathics. These are

homeopathics specifically geared toward helping the body eliminate bacteria,

virus's, fungus and other microbes. The ones that made the most difference

for me was a viral homeopathic. I think this is because I had CMV

(cytomegalovirus) affecting my liver and gall bladder. I know about the CMV

virus because I do testing with an electroacupunture (EAV) machine. One day

I had a bad liver headache that lasted two days. I tested myself on my

machine and found my liver points were very stressed. I then did a scan for

things that could be causing the stress on my liver and came up with CMV.

This made total sense for me because over the years I have worked with many

children with active CMV infections. I started the viral homeopathic and

have had better liver and gall bladder function ever since. The other day I

ate 6 bowls of chicken/vegetable soup and ate a lot of butter throughout the

day - in the past I could only eat one bowl of chicken soup without feeling

horrible. My digestion is tons better and I haven't had a liver/gall bladder

headache in long time (was getting 2-4 a week).

I also used AF betafood, phosphatidylserine, magnesium orotate and ate a lot

of cultured beets and other veggies. I don't think there was one thing that

did the trick - it was the combo of good nutrition, homeopathy and

supplements that I tested good on. The flushes were key too but mainly just

to keep things cleaned out while I was addressing the real issues. I don't

think you can have a gall bladder problem without a liver problem and you

probably can't have a liver problem with out intestinal dysbiosis - so I

think you have to address the intestines as well as the liver when you are

trying to heal the gall bladder.

The other component that made a big difference for me has been

cranial/spinal care by osteopaths and chiropractors and exercise (yoga,

pilates, walking). Putting good things in your body and getting bad things

out is helped by making sure things flow well through the body ( nerve flow,

lymph, blood etc.)

Sorry that was so long. I had a very complicated scenerio. For me the key is

finding a health practitioner who uses some form of testing to determine

what needs to go in and what needs to come out of your body. I like EAV but

kinesiology can be good too. EAV gives you a chance to be more specific on

the microbes. I'm a health practitioner myself but I also consult with a

homeopath who is very experienced with the BioReource line.

Barb

> > I use to have major gall bladder problems. I did 11 liver/gall bladder

> >flushes in a 6 year period and just kept forming new stones (even when

> >eating a good diet and healthy fats). The flushes were very helpful but

> >weren't enough for me to get normal gall bladder functioning...homeopathy

> >helped a lot too. I wouldn't do the Hulda cleanse though - I think

> >she leaves out an important step which is taking malic acid (or drinking

a

> >lot of fresh apple juice which is high in malic acid) for 5 days prior to

> >the flush. The malic acid softens the gall stones so they pass easier. I

> >know a lot of people who have done it the way and had no problems

and

> >good results, but I wouldn't take a chance - I'd soften them first.

> > Barb

> >

> > Carma -

> >

> > I had a lot of gall stones, and even (unfortunately) had my gall

bladder

> >removed before I found this natural cure:

> >

> > The Hulda Liver cleanse. It's in her book called " The Cure for

> >All Diseases " I don't agree with a lot of what she says (boil everything

> >to sterilize it before eating it), but I've done the liver cleanse twice

> >and got rid of hundreds (possibly a couple of thousand) of stones (the

> >stones form in the liver first). My digestion and elimination improved

> >immediately (you can e-mail me privately for more details), and were back

> >to the way they were before the gall bladder was removed. (the doctors

lied

> >about there being " no impact " from the removal).

> >

> > I did the parasite cleanse first (as recommends), but I'm not

sure

> >it's even necessary.

> >

> > The cleanse itself is a bit unpleasant, because it involves taking a

few

> >doses of epsom salts dissolved in water. They taste really yucky, but

they

> >open up the ducts which allows the stones to pass through freely. But

the

> >cleanse is also gentle - says even really old people have no

problem

> >doing it. The results were amazing.

> >

> > The " recipe " may be at her website. Just do a search for " Hulda

" .

> >

> > Dana

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Carma Paden

> >

> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:22 AM

> > Subject: digestion (was 3 or 4 meals)

> >

> >

> > >> Many of the things done in traditional food prep will help,

> > however my experience says that it will not be enough by itself to

> > restore the defecit left by the devastating effects of traditional

> > modern american eating. It will take time to restore your digestion

> > back to its proper state however it can and has been done. <<

> >

> > How does one restore digestion to its proper state? I have

gallstones

> > (under control - since I quit eating wheat, they quit attacking me)

> >and

> > I know that means very poor digestion and overloaded liver. I take

> >milk

> > thistle to help the liver, and I'm getting more and more NT in my

> > eating. What else?

> >

> > ~ Carma ~

> >

> > To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually

> > ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be

> >manured,

> > and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell

> >

> > Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

> >

> >

> >