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Caryn, thank you SO much- I have to tell you, life has been beyond difficult. We have doors slamming, things being thrown at us etc... I've been doing the chlorella, but I will add in the charcoal- I haven't done it as much due to the timing. Does it have to be 2 hours after food? I don't want to take away any of their nutrients since they are so thin! It was odd because the first week or two on antibiotics, our one son had what I would call "perfect" behavior- almost too much!! Then after two weeks, when we added in the mepron- all the oppositional behavior and disrespect was back. I will look into the other things you mentioned.

Is there a test to show ammonia levels or should I just assume this is what it is? Do I have to manage ammonia levels after the 1-2 month point or as well (ongoing?)

Thanks Caryn- how's your son doing???

who would want a > valkion?> > > > > > > > > > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks group > order> > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a list > of> > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted. I'm> > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please > don't call> > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with. > > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get > several of> > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good > chunk> > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in Sweden > the> > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't know > what> > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them for> > 3K..how many would commit? > > > > Tami Duncan> > President and Co-Founder> > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafoundation.org/> org> > > > Donate to our "Operation Knowledge" which offers scholarships to > parents> > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.> > <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?> cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2> > 3589275 & m=a8965384>> > causes.com/fb/donations/new?> cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89> > 65384> > > > > > Join our online support group at: > > BorreliaMultipleInf> > <http://borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism-> subscribe />> > ectionsAndAutism-subscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check> > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?> redir> > =http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001> > out> > Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!> >>

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where do you get the ammonia RNA. My brain feels like it is on fire.

Sal

> > >

> > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm hoping

> > someone

> > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains with

our

> > 8 year

> > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have lyme

and

> > 3-4

> > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

suffering

> > with

> > > memory problems etc...

> > >

> > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

matter

> > what I

> > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and a

> > number of

> > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain a

> few

> > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same weight

> they

> > were

> > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of course

> we

> > are

> > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

literally

> > done so

> > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> missing?

> > We do

> > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any help

is

> > much

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have started the

> > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back up

and

> > we're

> > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

potty

> > talk

> > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast increases with

> > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin daily,

I've

> > added

> > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils while

on

> > the

> > > antibiotics?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much to

> > offer yet,

> > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> > >

> > > Darci

> > >

> > > who would want a

> > valkion?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

group

> > order

> > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

list

> > of

> > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted.

I'm

> > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> > don't call

> > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > >

> > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> > several of

> > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good

> > chunk

> > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

Sweden

> > the

> > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> know

> > what

> > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

for

> > > 3K..how many would commit?

> > >

> > > Tami Duncan

> > > President and Co-Founder

> > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafoundation.org/> org

> > >

> > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

to

> > parents

> > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

> > > <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

> > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

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Darci,

Any lab can do a blood test for ammonia. I think it is fasting. It

is worth testing.

Caryn

> > >

> > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm hoping

> > someone

> > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains with

our

> > 8 year

> > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have lyme

and

> > 3-4

> > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

suffering

> > with

> > > memory problems etc...

> > >

> > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

matter

> > what I

> > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and a

> > number of

> > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain a

> few

> > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same weight

> they

> > were

> > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of course

> we

> > are

> > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

literally

> > done so

> > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> missing?

> > We do

> > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any help is

> > much

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have started the

> > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back up

and

> > we're

> > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

potty

> > talk

> > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast increases with

> > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin daily,

I've

> > added

> > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils while

on

> > the

> > > antibiotics?

> > >

> > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much to

> > offer yet,

> > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> > >

> > > Darci

> > >

> > > who would want a

> > valkion?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

group

> > order

> > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

list

> > of

> > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted. I'm

> > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> > don't call

> > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > >

> > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> > several of

> > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good

> > chunk

> > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in Sweden

> > the

> > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> know

> > what

> > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

for

> > > 3K..how many would commit?

> > >

> > > Tami Duncan

> > > President and Co-Founder

> > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound

> <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org

> > >

> > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

to

> > parents

> > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

> > > <https://www. <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?>

> causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

> > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

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One place is the Yasko website. Not sure if you can get a better price

elsewhere.

http://www.holisticheal.com/store/product.php?productid=540

> > > >

> > > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm hoping

> > > someone

> > > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains with

> our

> > > 8 year

> > > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have lyme

> and

> > > 3-4

> > > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

> suffering

> > > with

> > > > memory problems etc...

> > > >

> > > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

> matter

> > > what I

> > > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and a

> > > number of

> > > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain a

> > few

> > > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same weight

> > they

> > > were

> > > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of course

> > we

> > > are

> > > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

> literally

> > > done so

> > > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> > missing?

> > > We do

> > > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any help

> is

> > > much

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have started the

> > > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back up

> and

> > > we're

> > > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

> potty

> > > talk

> > > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast increases with

> > > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin daily,

> I've

> > > added

> > > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils while

> on

> > > the

> > > > antibiotics?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much to

> > > offer yet,

> > > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> > > >

> > > > Darci

> > > >

> > > > who would want a

> > > valkion?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

> group

> > > order

> > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

> list

> > > of

> > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted.

> I'm

> > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> > > don't call

> > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > > >

> > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> > > several of

> > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good

> > > chunk

> > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

> Sweden

> > > the

> > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> > know

> > > what

> > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

> for

> > > > 3K..how many would commit?

> > > >

> > > > Tami Duncan

> > > > President and Co-Founder

> > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafoundation.org/> org

> > > >

> > > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

> to

> > > parents

> > > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

> > > > <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

> > > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

> > > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89

> > > > 65384

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi everyone,

Speaking of Yasko products, has anyone used their Advanced Language Formula

for verbal communication. It is quite expensive, $85.00. I am not doing the

yasko protocol but am looking

for something to help my son's language. He is 12 years old and it is very

difficult to understand

him and he only has minimal functional language. I have already done

antibiotics for lyme,

valtrex/diflucan, probiotics, digestive ensymes, samento, burber, tumeric,

resvertrol, cod liver

oil, B12 nasal spray, B12 sublingual. It seems everything I try has not helped

him at all.

Of course GFCF diet also.

PS His stimming OCD behavior has also increased.

who would want a

>> > > valkion?

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

>> group

>> > > order

>> > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

>> list

>> > > of

>> > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted.

>> I'm

>> > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

>> > > don't call

>> > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

>> > > >

>> > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

>> > > several of

>> > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good

>> > > chunk

>> > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

>> Sweden

>> > > the

>> > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

>> > know

>> > > what

>> > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

>> for

>> > > > 3K..how many would commit?

>> > > >

>> > > > Tami Duncan

>> > > > President and Co-Founder

>> > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafoundation.org/> org

>> > > >

>> > > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

>> to

>> > > parents

>> > > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

>> > > > <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?

>> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

>> > > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

>> > > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?

>> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89

>> > > > 65384

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Join our online support group at:

>> > > > BorreliaMultipleInf

>> > > > <http://borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism-

>> > > subscribe />

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>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > _____

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,

Yasko mentioned Advanced Language Formula at Autism One conference this

year. She said that she would not recommend this RNA product, until the

child's viral load and metal load are reduced.

Limin

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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 13:38

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

Subject: Re: Re: Darci - side effect

from antibiotics - ammonia

> Hi everyone,

>

> Speaking of Yasko products, has anyone used their Advanced Language

> Formula for verbal communication. It is quite expensive, $85.00. I am

> not doing the yasko protocol but am looking

> for something to help my son's language. He is 12 years old and it is very

> difficult to understand

> him and he only has minimal functional language. I have already done

> antibiotics for lyme,

> valtrex/diflucan, probiotics, digestive ensymes, samento, burber,

> tumeric, resvertrol, cod liver

> oil, B12 nasal spray, B12 sublingual. It seems everything I try has not

> helped him at all.

> Of course GFCF diet also.

>

>

> PS His stimming OCD behavior has also increased.

>

>

> who would want a

>>> > > valkion?

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

>>> group

>>> > > order

>>> > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

>>> list

>>> > > of

>>> > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted.

>>> I'm

>>> > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

>>> > > don't call

>>> > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

>>> > > several of

>>> > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good

>>> > > chunk

>>> > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

>>> Sweden

>>> > > the

>>> > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

>>> > know

>>> > > what

>>> > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

>>> for

>>> > > > 3K..how many would commit?

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Tami Duncan

>>> > > > President and Co-Founder

>>> > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafoundation.org/> org

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

>>> to

>>> > > parents

>>> > > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

>>> > > > <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?

>>> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

>>> > > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

>>> > > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?

>>> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89

>>> > > > 65384

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Join our online support group at:

>>> > > > BorreliaMultipleInf

>>> > > > <http://borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism-

>>> > > subscribe />

>>> > > > ectionsAndAutism-subscribe

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > > _____

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check

>>> > > >

>>> > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?

>>> > > redir

>>> > > > =http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?

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>>> > >

>>> >

>>>

>>

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Huh. This reminds me of my dd alcohol breath.. like rubbing alcohol..

very strange.. when she was a baby. Anyone heard of that and know

what might cause it.. is that similar to what you are talking about,

Peggy? Thank you for the recommendations. Sal

>

> Hi Darci,

> We use ornithine for ammonia and molybdenum. I have found that

> different organisms give off different by-products. For me,

parasites

> give off alcohol. It was so bad it was burning my stomach and

causing

> an ulcer. Dying parasites give off acetyladehyde which is a form

of

> alcohol. I have been using l-methionine for that. Hope this helps.

> Peggy

> P.S. I also use neuro relax by Professional complementary health.

You

> can get it on Bayho.com. It is relatively inexpensive and has

helped

> take things down a notch or two. I end up dosing myself as well

just to

> keep calm. :-D . You can use it acutely(every ten minutes or so)

until

> things calm down. I have also found that handles die off

much

> better with homeopathic drainage. His system is less likely to get

> backed up. The less back up, the less nastiness.

>

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You have very interesting observation, Peggy. I think that yeast also

produces acetyladehyde during the process of fermentation. Acetyladehyde

can bind to the sites of certain proteins to inhibiting their function.

Could you elaborate how L-methionine help to detoxify acetyladehyde? Is

there anything else that can mop up this? I recall at " chelatingkids2 " that

one of the product made by Thorne was mentioned for detoxifying

acetyladehyde, but I cannot remember which product.

When Ingvar got an Asyra screening early this month, Acetyladehyde was

picked up by the machine, among other things. I am trying to manage the

relationship between Ingvar's body and yeasts. One of the problems I see is

that if you kill off yeasts too fast, your body suddenly get overloaded with

yeast die-off toxins such as acetyladehyde. If the liver can not cope with

the sudden increased toxic load and fails to excrete the toxins soon enough,

your perpetual toxic-state terrain will tend to attract more Candida.

Calcium and magnesium can help to neutralize the acidic toxins.

Limin

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Subject: Re: Darci - side effect from

antibiotics - ammonia

> Hi Darci,

> We use ornithine for ammonia and molybdenum. I have found that

> different organisms give off different by-products. For me, parasites

> give off alcohol. It was so bad it was burning my stomach and causing

> an ulcer. Dying parasites give off acetyladehyde which is a form of

> alcohol. I have been using l-methionine for that. Hope this helps.

> Peggy

> P.S. I also use neuro relax by Professional complementary health. You

> can get it on Bayho.com. It is relatively inexpensive and has helped

> take things down a notch or two. I end up dosing myself as well just to

> keep calm. :-D . You can use it acutely(every ten minutes or so) until

> things calm down. I have also found that handles die off much

> better with homeopathic drainage. His system is less likely to get

> backed up. The less back up, the less nastiness.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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we gave activated charcoal and hour after yeast fighters to absorb the die off.

We kept yeast under control to chelate successfully. One of our children did get an ulcer from too many proteolytic enzymes but she was on huge doses of multiple enzymes and also naproxen for arthritis at the time.

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You need to balance their use. Too much lysine will inhibit arginine.

Muscle test to determine use perhaps?

Gayatri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm

> hoping

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains

> with

> > > our

> > > > > 8 year

> > > > > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have

> lyme

> > > and

> > > > > 3-4

> > > > > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

> > > suffering

> > > > > with

> > > > > > memory problems etc...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

> > > matter

> > > > > what I

> > > > > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and

> a

> > > > > number of

> > > > > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys

> gain a

> > > > few

> > > > > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same

> weight

> > > > they

> > > > > were

> > > > > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of

> course

> > > > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

> > > literally

> > > > > done so

> > > > > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> > > > missing?

> > > > > We do

> > > > > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any

> help

> > > is

> > > > > much

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have started

> the

> > > > > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back

> up

> > > and

> > > > > we're

> > > > > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

> > > potty

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast increases

> with

> > > > > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin

> daily,

> > > I've

> > > > > added

> > > > > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils

> while

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > antibiotics?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much

> to

> > > > > offer yet,

> > > > > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Darci

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who would

> want a

> > > > > valkion?

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it

> discounted.

> > > I'm

> > > > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details.

> Please

> > > > > don't call

> > > > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can

> get

> > > > > several of

> > > > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a

> good

> > > > > chunk

> > > > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

> > > Sweden

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I

> don't

> > > > know

> > > > > what

> > > > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get

> them

> > > for

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Natasa I missed that - I can give charcoal around food/ supplements?

This will change our lives. What post # is this?

Gayatri

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm

hoping

> >>> > > someone

> >>>> > > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains with

> > our

> >>> > > 8 year

> >>>> > > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have lyme

> > and

> >>> > > 3-4

> >>>> > > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

> > suffering

> >>> > > with

> >>>> > > > memory problems etc...

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

> > matter

> >>> > > what I

> >>>> > > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and a

> >>> > > number of

> >>>> > > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain a

> >> > few

> >>>> > > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same weight

> >> > they

> >>> > > were

> >>>> > > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of

course

> >> > we

> >>> > > are

> >>>> > > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

> > literally

> >>> > > done so

> >>>> > > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> >> > missing?

> >>> > > We do

> >>>> > > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any

help is

> >>> > > much

> >>>> > > > appreciated.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have

started the

> >>>> > > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back up

> > and

> >>> > > we're

> >>>> > > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

> > potty

> >>> > > talk

> >>>> > > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast

increases with

> >>>> > > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin daily,

> > I've

> >>> > > added

> >>>> > > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils

while

> > on

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > > > antibiotics?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much to

> >>> > > offer yet,

> >>>> > > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Darci

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > who would

want a

> >>> > > valkion?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

> > group

> >>> > > order

> >>>> > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

> > list

> >>> > > of

> >>>> > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it

discounted. I'm

> >>>> > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> >>> > > don't call

> >>>> > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> >>> > > several of

> >>>> > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a

good

> >>> > > chunk

> >>>> > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

Sweden

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> >> > know

> >>> > > what

> >>>> > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

> > for

> >>>> > > > 3K..how many would commit?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Tami Duncan

> >>>> > > > President and Co-Founder

> >>>> > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound

> >> > <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

> > to

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> >>>> > > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

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Thorne Formaldehyde Relief

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/asp/TRN-SF793.asp

What is Pantethine, a derivative of Pantothenic acid or something else?

Gayatri

>

> You have very interesting observation, Peggy. I think that yeast also

> produces acetyladehyde during the process of fermentation.

Acetyladehyde

> can bind to the sites of certain proteins to inhibiting their function.

> Could you elaborate how L-methionine help to detoxify acetyladehyde?

Is

> there anything else that can mop up this? I recall at

" chelatingkids2 " that

> one of the product made by Thorne was mentioned for detoxifying

> acetyladehyde, but I cannot remember which product.

>

> When Ingvar got an Asyra screening early this month, Acetyladehyde was

> picked up by the machine, among other things. I am trying to manage

the

> relationship between Ingvar's body and yeasts. One of the problems

I see is

> that if you kill off yeasts too fast, your body suddenly get

overloaded with

> yeast die-off toxins such as acetyladehyde. If the liver can not

cope with

> the sudden increased toxic load and fails to excrete the toxins soon

enough,

> your perpetual toxic-state terrain will tend to attract more Candida.

> Calcium and magnesium can help to neutralize the acidic toxins.

>

> Limin

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 17:49

> To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

> Subject: Re: Darci - side

effect from

> antibiotics - ammonia

>

> > Hi Darci,

> > We use ornithine for ammonia and molybdenum. I have found that

> > different organisms give off different by-products. For me, parasites

> > give off alcohol. It was so bad it was burning my stomach and causing

> > an ulcer. Dying parasites give off acetyladehyde which is a form of

> > alcohol. I have been using l-methionine for that. Hope this helps.

> > Peggy

> > P.S. I also use neuro relax by Professional complementary health.

You

> > can get it on Bayho.com. It is relatively inexpensive and has helped

> > take things down a notch or two. I end up dosing myself as well

just to

> > keep calm. :-D . You can use it acutely(every ten minutes or so)

until

> > things calm down. I have also found that handles die off much

> > better with homeopathic drainage. His system is less likely to get

> > backed up. The less back up, the less nastiness.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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hi Gayatri, I didn’t save it, it was maybe 4 or 5 days ago. You could try email Sue directly, she usually saves stuff she posts.

I'm going to try find anything about this on pubmed, if I get some time later.

natasa x

Natasa I missed that - I can give charcoal around food/ supplements?

This will change our lives. What post # is this?

Gayatri

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm

hoping

> >>> > > someone

> >>>> > > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains with

> > our

> >>> > > 8 year

> >>>> > > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have lyme

> > and

> >>> > > 3-4

> >>>> > > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

> > suffering

> >>> > > with

> >>>> > > > memory problems etc...

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

> > matter

> >>> > > what I

> >>>> > > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and a

> >>> > > number of

> >>>> > > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain a

> >> > few

> >>>> > > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same weight

> >> > they

> >>> > > were

> >>>> > > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of

course

> >> > we

> >>> > > are

> >>>> > > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

> > literally

> >>> > > done so

> >>>> > > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> >> > missing?

> >>> > > We do

> >>>> > > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any

help is

> >>> > > much

> >>>> > > > appreciated.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have

started the

> >>>> > > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back up

> > and

> >>> > > we're

> >>>> > > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

> > potty

> >>> > > talk

> >>>> > > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast

increases with

> >>>> > > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin daily,

> > I've

> >>> > > added

> >>>> > > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils

while

> > on

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > > > antibiotics?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much to

> >>> > > offer yet,

> >>>> > > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Darci

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > who would

want a

> >>> > > valkion?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

> > group

> >>> > > order

> >>>> > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

> > list

> >>> > > of

> >>>> > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it

discounted. I'm

> >>>> > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> >>> > > don't call

> >>>> > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> >>> > > several of

> >>>> > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a

good

> >>> > > chunk

> >>>> > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

Sweden

> >>> > > the

> >>>> > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> >> > know

> >>> > > what

> >>>> > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

> > for

> >>>> > > > 3K..how many would commit?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Tami Duncan

> >>>> > > > President and Co-Founder

> >>>> > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound

> >> > <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

> > to

> >>> > > parents

> >>>> > > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

> >>>> > > > <https://www. <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?>

> >> > causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> >>> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

> >>>> > > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

> >>>> > > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> >>> > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89

> >>>> > > > 65384

> >>>> > > >

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Thank you.. that's what I've been thinking putting 2 and 2 together.

Sal

>

> Hi Sal and Limin,

> Sal I believe your daughter's breath was probably a fungal issue.

Like

> Limin stated, alcohol can be a byproduct of yeast as well. I

remember

> years ago that a practitioner recommended a low fermentation diet

while

> addressing yeast issues. I do not remember the specifics, but I am

sure

> you can google it.

>

> Limin, l-methionine helps to reduce the circulating levels of

> acetylaldehyde. I am not sure why. I figured this out while I was

> looking for gastric ulcer cures. Since I have been hitting

parasites

> really hard, my gut has taken a huge hit. I do not detox well and

my

> system was backing up like a clogged toilet. :-) . I have noticed

an

> improvement with taking it.

>

> I also use a formula called alcohols by HVS. It is a homeopathic

company

> out of Naples FL. I know you have to be a practitioner to get it,

but

> I wonder if you could find it online. I love their formulas

because

> they are water based and the kids don't fight taking them.

> Hope all this helps.

> Peggy

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OK. Stopping the lysine for now and I will need to learn to muscle test

since it will be a month or so until I have my appt. Thank you. Sal

>

> You need to balance their use. Too much lysine will inhibit arginine.

> Muscle test to determine use perhaps?

>

> Gayatri

>

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Jernigan says:

High-protein foods, such as grains and meat, contain an amino-acid

(the breakdown unit of protein) called L-arginine. L-arginine in

foods and as a nutritional supplement should not be taken in the

presence of ammonia. Research reveals that ammonia + arginine +

manganese = increased nitric oxide (NO), up to 53% in astrocytes

(brain cells), leading to increased brain swelling. When you increase

localized brain swelling, the symptoms increase dramatically, and the

perception of fatigue can escalate to critical. Armed with this

knowledge, health care professionals would be wise to instigate a

protein-poor diet for Lyme patients during treatment to minimize

aggravations from arginine. Another way in which diet can be used to

combat the effects of arginine is to eat foods high in the amino-acid

L-Lysine, such as legumes, or one can easily purchase L-Lysine as a

nutritional supplement from a health food store.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_285/ai_n19170382/pg_5

So Lysine the ill or the cure???? Sal

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Natasa, thank you so much for your help with the charcoal- I'm starting to give more of it and it does help!

who would want a > > valkion?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks group > > order> > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a list > > of> > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted. I'm> > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please > > don't call> > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with. > > > > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get > > several of> > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good > > chunk> > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in Sweden > > the> > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't > know > > what> > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them for> > > 3K..how many would commit? > > > > > > Tami Duncan> > > President and Co-Founder> > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound> <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org> > > > > > Donate to our "Operation Knowledge" which offers scholarships to > > parents> > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.> > > <https://www. <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?>> causes.com/fb/donations/new?> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2> > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>> > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89> > > 65384> > > > > > > > > Join our online support group at: > > > BorreliaMultipleInf> > > <http://borreliamult <http://borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism->> ipleinfectionsandautism-> > subscribe@yahoogrou <mailto:subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com/>> > > ectionsAndAutism-> <mailto:ectionsAndAutism-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>> subscribe <mailto:subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check> > > > <http://pr.atwola.> <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?>> com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?> > redir> > > =http://travel.> <http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001>> aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001> > > out> > > Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!> > >> >>

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Thanks Caryn, I always try to have goat cheese or something when I give them the antibiotics- hope this is enough when you say fatty. Funny, our doctor never mentioned that. I did find out from the doctor yesterday that one of my boys has high ammonia so you were right on with that. We're soooo looking forward to treating that! still has some very odd moments (hard to describe, he's had them for the last year or so) but does some crazy things. I hope it's related to his infections and not something else. Sounds like you're not having any yeast problems with all of the antibiotics? Are you doing anything extra for his immune system/liver? Thanks so much for your help!

who would want a > > valkion?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks group > > order> > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a list > > of> > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted. I'm> > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please > > don't call> > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with. > > > > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get > > several of> > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good > > chunk> > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in Sweden > > the> > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't > know > > what> > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them for> > > 3K..how many would commit? > > > > > > Tami Duncan> > > President and Co-Founder> > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound> <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org> > > > > > Donate to our "Operation Knowledge" which offers scholarships to > > parents> > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.> > > <https://www. <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?>> causes.com/fb/donations/new?> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2> > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>> > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89> > > 65384> > > > > > > > > Join our online support group at: > > > BorreliaMultipleInf> > > <http://borreliamult <http://borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism->> ipleinfectionsandautism-> > subscribe@yahoogrou <mailto:subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com/>> > > ectionsAndAutism-> <mailto:ectionsAndAutism-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>> subscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check> > > > <http://pr.atwola.> <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?>> com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?> > redir> > > =http://travel.> <http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001>> aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001> > > out> > > Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!> > >> >>

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Hi Darci, Both Dr and Dr Schaller said mepron must be given

with fat for proper absorption. My son does not have yeast b/c we

keep him on diflucan and/or nystatin -- otherwise he would be a mess.

For his liver, we primarily use milk thistle, but I just ordered a

whole bunch of goodies that I am not sure of yet. Oh, and charcoal

at bedtime -- must be given away from antibiotics. The high ammonia

is a problem that pops up over and over again each time we add

something new to treat pathogens. At least we are getting die-

off. :o)

Caryn

> > > >

> > > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm

hoping

> > > someone

> > > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains with

> our

> > > 8 year

> > > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have lyme

> and

> > > 3-4

> > > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

> suffering

> > > with

> > > > memory problems etc...

> > > >

> > > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

> matter

> > > what I

> > > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and a

> > > number of

> > > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain a

> > few

> > > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same weight

> > they

> > > were

> > > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of

course

> > we

> > > are

> > > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

> literally

> > > done so

> > > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> > missing?

> > > We do

> > > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any help

is

> > > much

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have started the

> > > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back up

> and

> > > we're

> > > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

> potty

> > > talk

> > > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast increases

with

> > > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin daily,

> I've

> > > added

> > > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils

while

> on

> > > the

> > > > antibiotics?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much to

> > > offer yet,

> > > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> > > >

> > > > Darci

> > > >

> > > > who would want

a

> > > valkion?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

> group

> > > order

> > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

> list

> > > of

> > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted.

I'm

> > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> > > don't call

> > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > > >

> > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> > > several of

> > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a

good

> > > chunk

> > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

Sweden

> > > the

> > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> > know

> > > what

> > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

> for

> > > > 3K..how many would commit?

> > > >

> > > > Tami Duncan

> > > > President and Co-Founder

> > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound

> > <http://www.liafound <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/>

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What kinds of foods do you give the Mepron with? Our kids are on such a limited diet...

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Hi Darci, so glad something is helping!

maybe this has been discussed on this thread already, but have you tried green clay? Some people on reversingautism are seeing lessening of digestive issues with bitter orange also.

I posted a link the other day on Japanese combo of zinc+carnitine, that may also be worth trying as shown in lots of cases to ‘patch-up’ leaky gut. Jarrow sells this formula, it is called Pepzin Gi. Metagenix also does it, but theirs has some nasty additives in those caps. A similar combination of carnitine and zinc has been used for asd for quite a while, but that is NOT the same as this Japanese patent, don’t go for that one...

natasa x

Natasa, thank you so much for your help with the charcoal- I'm starting to give more of it and it does help!

who would want a

> > valkion?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

group

> > order

> > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a

list

> > of

> > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted. I'm

> > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please

> > don't call

> > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > >

> > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> > several of

> > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good

> > chunk

> > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in Sweden

> > the

> > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> know

> > what

> > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them

for

> > > 3K..how many would commit?

> > >

> > > Tami Duncan

> > > President and Co-Founder

> > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound

> <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org

> > >

> > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers scholarships

to

> > parents

> > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

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How interesting, I have the Pepzin GI from Jarrow- I'm already giving zinc and carnatine- I wonder if I have to stop taking those if I take the Pepzin as wouldn't I be giving too much zinc and carnatine? I wonder how many I should be giving on the Pepzin GI?

who would want a > > valkion?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks group > > order> > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect a list > > of> > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it discounted. I'm> > > working on this, but can't get into too much details. Please > > don't call> > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with. > > > > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get > > several of> > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a good > > chunk> > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in Sweden > > the> > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't > know > > what> > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get them for> > > 3K..how many would commit? > > > > > > Tami Duncan> > > President and Co-Founder> > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound> <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> org> > > > > > Donate to our "Operation Knowledge" which offers scholarships to > > parents> > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.> > > <https://www. <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?>> causes.com/fb/donations/new?> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2> > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>> > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?> > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=23589275 & m=a89> > > 65384> > > > > > > > > Join our online support group at: > > > BorreliaMultipleInf> > > <http://borreliamult <http://borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism->> ipleinfectionsandautism-> > subscribe@yahoogrou <mailto:subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com/>> > > ectionsAndAutism-> <mailto:ectionsAndAutism-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>> subscribe <mailto:subscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check> > > > <http://pr.atwola.> <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?>> com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?> > redir> > > =http://travel.> <http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001>> aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001> > > out> > > Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!> > >> >>

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Anything fried or with coconut oil as a butter sub. Also with his

CLO or even a coconut milk yogurt. Dr recommended peanut

butter, but we are nut free.

Caryn

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Tami, you can add me to the list too- thank you! I'm

> hoping

> > > > someone

> > > > > out there can help me. I truly feel I'm making no gains

with

> > our

> > > > 8 year

> > > > > old boys. They are now on antibiotics because they have

lyme

> > and

> > > > 3-4

> > > > > co-infections each and neurologically they were really

> > suffering

> > > > with

> > > > > memory problems etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the problem, I can't seem to fix their leaky gut no

> > matter

> > > > what I

> > > > > do or how many doctors I go to- and we've been to Dr. K and

a

> > > > number of

> > > > > other doctors. We are seeing Dr. A on Tuesday. My boys gain

a

> > > few

> > > > > pounds, then lose them- they are literally at the same

weight

> > > they

> > > > were

> > > > > at 2 years ago. I'm always trying to give them food. Of

> course

> > > we

> > > > are

> > > > > GF/SF/DF- have done Alinia etc. for parasites and have

> > literally

> > > > done so

> > > > > many things to try and improve this situation. What am I

> > > missing?

> > > > We do

> > > > > enzymes, probiotics (2 a day/Theralac) supplements. Any

help

> is

> > > > much

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, sorry to complain tonight- but since we have started

the

> > > > > antibiotics 2 weeks ago, seems like yeast has kicked back

up

> > and

> > > > we're

> > > > > getting the silly behavior, oppositional behavior, lots of

> > potty

> > > > talk

> > > > > etc... just hard to deal with. I'm assuming yeast increases

> with

> > > > > antibiotics? We started back on Nystatin- take biotin

daily,

> > I've

> > > > added

> > > > > in GSE. Thoughts? Should I also give them the Rizol Oils

> while

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > antibiotics?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks so much everyone. I'm sorry I haven't had too much

to

> > > > offer yet,

> > > > > but I'm just starting to figure all of this out!

> > > > >

> > > > > Darci

> > > > >

> > > > > who would

want

> a

> > > > valkion?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok..I know we all want a valkion. But since the Lightworks

> > group

> > > > order

> > > > > worked so well (thank you and Rita), lets collect

a

> > list

> > > > of

> > > > > those that want to buy a Valkion IF I can get it

discounted.

> I'm

> > > > > working on this, but can't get into too much details.

Please

> > > > don't call

> > > > > Biotools because that's not the source I'm working with.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the scoop...please keep this private. If we can get

> > > > several of

> > > > > us to commit to buying a valkion, we may be able to get a

> good

> > > > chunk

> > > > > knocked off. Apparently before the financial crisis, in

> Sweden

> > > > the

> > > > > Valkion was selling for around 3K. It's higher now. I don't

> > > know

> > > > what

> > > > > the discount would be, but lets just say if we could get

them

> > for

> > > > > 3K..how many would commit?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tami Duncan

> > > > > President and Co-Founder

> > > > > www.liafoundation. <http://www.liafound

> > > <http://www.liafound <http://www.liafound

> <http://www.liafoundation.org/> ation.org/> ation.org/>

> > ation.org/> org

> > > > >

> > > > > Donate to our " Operation Knowledge " which offers

scholarships

> > to

> > > > parents

> > > > > to attend our 2009 conference. https://www.

> > > > > <https://www. <https://www.

> > <https://www. <https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?>

> causes.com/fb/donations/new?>

> causes.com/fb/donations/new?>

> > > causes.com/fb/donations/new?

> > > > cause_id=134283 & fundraiser_id=2

> > > > > 3589275 & m=a8965384>

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