Re: Probiotic Roundup

[Guest guest]

I currently use in combination/ rotation -

- Lactobacillus from Allergy Research Group

- Pharmax's HLC (there are several)

- Probiotic Complete from the Rhinebeck Health brand

- Kirkman's S. Boulardii

- HMF Replete from Genestra

Gayatri

PS: I wish we had insurance coverage for probiotics!!

>

> It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see what

> others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic Complete from

> Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has also been

> doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to rotate

> probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups about

> parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing strep

> throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know if I

> should be concerned about the possible association.

>

> Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in a

> previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus. Have you

> used this product?

>

> Thanks everyone!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gayatri-

Just for the purpose of learning I wanted to ask you some questions

about your choices. YOu are using additional lactbacillus, does your

child have trouble maintaining this bacteria? I ask this because my

son has trouble maintaining this particluar strain. I had thought it

was because of his elevated oxalate levels. Do you know why this

might happen? Is it something other than oxalates? Is this brand

casein free?

Which Pharmax HLC do you use?

I don't think any of the probiotics you use have the strep strain in

them. Do you know anything about this?

Thanks for your help.

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> > It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see what

> > others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic Complete

from

> > Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has also

been

> > doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to

rotate

> > probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups about

> > parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing

strep

> > throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know if I

> > should be concerned about the possible association.

> >

> > Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in a

> > previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus.

Have you

> > used this product?

> >

> > Thanks everyone!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do a short rotation of 3 or so probiotics, because that's what I've got right now. When I'm really organized I'll rotate 4 or more. I have some Allicillin drops that I used on my son's infected molluscum--when we didn't know if it was MRSA or not (it wasn't). It definitely made a difference in less 24 hrs. Jill

"Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground."

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 9:31:15 AMSubject: Probiotic Roundup

It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see what others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic Complete from Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has also been doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to rotate probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups about parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing strep throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know if I should be concerned about the possible association.Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in a previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus. Have you used this product?Thanks everyone!

[Guest guest]

Great! Good to know, that's what my gut was telling me. I think I

need to listen to it more often!

[Guest guest]

We use Inliven or Fast Tract. This is good timing since you can listen

to the formulator speaking tonight as a guest on a series of cancer

calls. I'll paste the info in below. You can also listen to him on my

friend's website www.kindredaudio.com -- don't skip any modules

though, it's best to listen to them in order (about an hour). This

was a crucial factor in fixing our guts. I used to work for a doctor

so had access to different prescription probiotics and have tried

dozens of HFS brands as well. The Inliven worked in one day to

eliminate 90% of her pain (her words). The second day the pain was

gone. This was daily excruciating pain. Long story and I don't have

time right now for it but if interested can write out the details

later or tomorrow.

The big difference with these bacteria is that they are able to form

colonies of healthy bacteria, will eventually (usually less than a

month) crowd out the bad stuff (versus killing it) and the gut will

normalize. My website for this is www.goodskinforlife.com. There's

not a whole lot of info there but I'd be happy to email you files.

I'll be forever grateful for finding this product. Despite the

ingredient list, it is possible even for people who are

gluten-intolerant to take it. Even most celiacs can tolerate it

although the Fast Tract would be better to start with in that case.

The Inliven simply has a lot of amino acids in it which help to

rebuild healthy tissues.

I've yet to have a client who has been unhappy with this product and

have not had one single product return in over 3 years of using it.

My goal is to get people to use as few supplements as possible and get

their bodies to absorb the food they're already eating. I do not

believe in taking isolated vitamins unless there is a serious

deficiency. Food is perfectly designed with all the phytonutrients

working together rather than isolated. Absorption, poor food quality,

etc are problems of course and we do need to add additional superfoods

into our diets to achieve optimal health but within reason. No one

should be going broke just to stay healthy.

Here's the info for that call tonight. Czerral is always a pleasure

to listen to. He's a great story teller and has a gift for making

complicated things sound easy. He also walks his talk, has been a

macrobiotic eater for most of his life and looks about 30 years

younger than his age.

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

Just a quick reminder to join us tonight at 9pm EST /

6pm PST to learn how to " cancer-proof " yourself and

your loved ones.

Microbiologist Czerral Wheeler from Australia will

be with us to share the cancer-defeating secrets

he has learned and tested over the last two decades.

If you're fed up with the cancer industry, this is for

you, Sharon!

Call-in number:

PIN: 166605

See you there!

Dr. Symeon Rodger

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> It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see what

> others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic Complete from

> Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has also been

> doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to rotate

> probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups about

> parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing strep

> throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know if I

> should be concerned about the possible association.

>

> Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in a

> previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus. Have you

> used this product?

>

> Thanks everyone!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes my son has zero lactobacillus and yes he has the oxalate problem

as well. What is the lactobacillus connection to oxalates? I do know

there is some correlation between the absence of lactobacillus and the

presence of the bumps on the arms everyone attributes to absence of EFAs.

I think it is casein free, here's the fact sheet.

http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/proddesc/discuss/LactobacillusPlantRhamSal_P\

DFProductSheet040105.pdf

The HLC I am using right now is the high potency one.

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/HLC-High-Potency-Probiotic-CAPS-by-Pharmax-Non-\

Returnable_p_0-57.html

My Rhinebeck one has strep thermophilus and since the DAN recommended

it, it must be okay by him....sorry not much help here.

Gayatri

> > >

> > > It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see what

> > > others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic Complete

> from

> > > Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has also

> been

> > > doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to

> rotate

> > > probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups about

> > > parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing

> strep

> > > throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know if I

> > > should be concerned about the possible association.

> > >

> > > Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in a

> > > previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus.

> Have you

> > > used this product?

> > >

> > > Thanks everyone!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gayatri-

There is some association between high oxalate levels and the absence

of lactibacillus. I am not sure if its presence of unbound oxalates

in the gut creating an inhospitable environment for the bacteria, if

the inflammation in the guts kills it off, or if the unbound oxalate

actually kills it. I have a friend who has had a lot of success

treating her son with the LOD and she is the one who told me,

unfortunate for you she is the brains behind the operation, not me!

But I do know one of the reasons why people on the LOD take VSL#3 is

because of its high level of lactobacillus.

Now I did not know about the association between lactobacillus and

the " goose flesh " . I too thought it was an EFA deficiency.

> > > >

> > > > It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see

what

> > > > others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic

Complete

> > from

> > > > Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has

also

> > been

> > > > doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to

> > rotate

> > > > probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups

about

> > > > parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing

> > strep

> > > > throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know

if I

> > > > should be concerned about the possible association.

> > > >

> > > > Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in

a

> > > > previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus.

> > Have you

> > > > used this product?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks everyone!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ready for an epic on pro-biotics? At the end I'll paste a message from

me posted to my local biomed group a few months ago. Since I wrote it,

I've added more to my rotation. It seems the more different brands I

add, the better my son gets - so of course I can't stop!

Our local Elephant Pharm had a big closing down sale and I bought a

bottle of every different probiotic they had in their fridge. Once I

run out of those I'll seriously take a look at which strains are

duplicated in the same volume in others. But for the moment, our gut

biodiversity comes from 10 different bottles! I take almost all of

them too, except for the expensive/special order ones.

My kid isn't a " strep " guy, so I don't need to be concerned there. He

is back on A2 casein foods, so I'm not overly worried about potential

trace amounts in VSL#3. He has been off gluten for 2.5 years with NO

infractions and a recent urinary peptide test showed small (WNL but

still detectable) amounts of the gluten peptide. I can only assume

Jill is correct and it's in the Primal Defense probiotic. I'm not too

worried for my son, but I though I should mention it.

The new ones in my fridge from the super sale are:

New Chapter All-Flora

Solgar Advanced 40+ Acidophilus

Mega Food Mega Flora 20 billion

Then I got a new one from Dr S yesterday that I don't know much about

yet. She is raving about it as the new yeast buster on the block.

Haven't cracked it open yet. My son and I both tested well for it with

bioset, but I'm going to wait till this weekend in case we have

massive die-off. It's called Syntol SEBbiotic-AMD

http://www.arthurandrew.com/syntol

I'm such a pro-biotic hound - always looking for something new to add.

I want as many troops on my side as possible - killing off and

crowding out the bad guys. I'm the general with the biggest army, so I

HAVE to have a better chance of winning the war. Hahahahaha!

Here is my posting to my local group:

************************************

Below is a list of what I use. I do a double dose of a different type

every night. Bio-diversity is the key. Different strains colonize

different locations of the GI tract (because of different pH levels,

nutrient requirement etc) so you want to make sure you have as many

different types on board as possible.

*Garden of Life Primal Defense. (Whole Foods fridge- contains soil

organisms.)

*Ultimate Flora Critical Care 50+ Billion (Whole Foods fridge)

*Colon Health Support (Yasko - contains colostrum)

*HLC MindLinx (Whole Child Wellness)

*Klaire Labs Ther-biotic Detox Support (Whole Child Wellness)

*VSL#3 (http://www.vsl3.com and perhaps Elephant Pharmacy)

Jill said that Primal Defense MAY contain gluten. I'll find out soon

because I'm about to do a casein and gluten peptide urine test and if

he's positive for gluten I'll know it must be from there. He's been

gluten free with no infractions for two years.

VSL#3 may contain trace amounts of casein according to the

manufacturer. I went back and forth with them for a while before they

said the process is SURE to strip out all the milk proteins, but they

say MAY just to cover their butts. I decided to try it and my son had

no negative reactions. Plenty of positives though. If you want the

powdered version, get unflavored. The flavoring they use is artificial

and nasty.

The Yasko one may contain casein because it has colostrum. I only

added it last year when I was sure my son's gut was pretty much healed

and also had DPP IV enzymes on board.

If you want to add trillions of lactobacillus, raw sauerkraut is

fantastic. " Cultured " is the best brand - made in Berkley. They don't

have a website, but here is some info and a picture of the

lemon/garlic/dill jar (I just get the regular plain version):

http://www.sustainlane.com/reviews/lemon-garlic-dill-raw-sauerkraut/A4WHYQ2AIBAN\

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IR1HXZILL1KT2C9O

Whole Foods in Cupertino has them, but not Los Altos. They are in the

fridge case across from the dairy, next to tofu cheese and such. It's

$10 a jar. If it starts to get too expensive you can always make your

own. It's very easy to do, but summer is not the best time - unless

you have a basement or buy a special crock that keeps it cool while

fermenting. My last batch came out limp and chewy because of the heat

last month. I'll just buy the ones from Whole Foods until I get a

harsch crock (they are quite expensive) or wait for cooler weather.

Young coconut kefir is another way to go, but I can't use it because

my son is allergic (IgE) to all forms of yeast - even the beneficial

type. Also to coconut, but even the water kefir gives him a bad

reaction, so it must be the beneficial yeast.

s teaches you how to make sauerkraut and kefir in her

cooking class - along with kombucha (which my son also can't have

because of the yeast + phenols from the tea). I buy it premade at

Whole Foods for myself though. It's an expensive habit!

**********************************************

>

> It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to see what

> others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic Complete from

> Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He has also been

> doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended to rotate

> probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups about

> parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics causing strep

> throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not know if I

> should be concerned about the possible association.

>

> Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it in a

> previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and fungus. Have you

> used this product?

>

> Thanks everyone!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ;

I would definitely look into Custom Probiotics. Expensive, but well worth it. They make several different formulations and one is specific for ASD kids as it is not cultured on dairy.

Kim

[Guest guest]

> >> > > >

> >> > > > It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to

see

> > what

> >> > > > others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic

> > Complete

> >> > from

> >> > > > Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He

has

> > also

> >> > been

> >> > > > doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended

to

> >> > rotate

> >> > > > probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups

> > about

> >> > > > parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics

causing

> >> > strep

> >> > > > throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not

know

> > if I

> >> > > > should be concerned about the possible association.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it

in

> > a

> >> > > > previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and

fungus.

> >> > Have you

> >> > > > used this product?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Thanks everyone!

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

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[Guest guest]

You might be right. As I said, it was information given to me by a

friend and I could have gotten myself confused, which would not be

the first time. :-)

> >> > > >

> >> > > > It is time to reorder my son's probiotic and I wanted to

see

> > what

> >> > > > others on this list use. We currently use Threbiotic

> > Complete

> >> > from

> >> > > > Klaire Labs and we have used this for almost a year. He

has

> > also

> >> > been

> >> > > > doing Sacc B for the past three months. Is it recommended

to

> >> > rotate

> >> > > > probiotics? I am sure you guys have heard on other groups

> > about

> >> > > > parents questioning the strep bacteria in probiotics

causing

> >> > strep

> >> > > > throat in our kids. My son does get strep and I do not

know

> > if I

> >> > > > should be concerned about the possible association.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Heidi, I looked up Mindlinx because I saw you mentioned it

in

> > a

> >> > > > previous post. I also saw Alli-Cin for bacteria and

fungus.

> >> > Have you

> >> > > > used this product?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Thanks everyone!

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

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