Re: ideas wanted for rage,tantrums & fits

[Guest guest]

Have you seen the new book, " No More Meltdowns " I just read it and

really liked it! Dr. Jed Baker talks about what to do when time outs

don't work. He goes over making a behavioral plan and gives lots of

examples.

Hope this helps,

Bonnie

sensoryfun.com

[Guest guest]

The only thing that works with Karac is positive reinforcement. Punishment has only increased bad behavior with Karac. Karac is now almost 16, and I think he has learned self control from positive reinforcement. Early on, I would reward good being calm and quiet as frequently as every five minutes. Everyone who works with Karac has learned to use positive reinforcement with him. It has not been easy, and it has taken years. Today I have written sentences on a blackboard telling him what to expect for the day. I have found it helps him to know what his schedule is to avoid meltdowns. Karac will still have periods of agitation, but he has learned what to do to avoid being aggressive and these attacks only last 15 or 20 minutes. I have also learned and believe that the emotional out of control behavior comes from his right brain and that if I can move him into his left brain it will help him control his behavior. I do this by having him count or spell some words. This seems to work within minutes. Fortunately, I started taking Karac to Sunday school when he was three years old and so he has a limited belief in God; so I can say, "Karac, ask God to help you be calm". He does, and he almost immediately calms down. I don't know if it is just a placebo effect, but Karac has even learned to say it without being prompted and he calms himself down. If you are not religious it may sound like hocus pocus to you, but it works for Karac and me, and I am so thankful because Karac is now about 5'11 and weighs 150 l bs. I don't know what I would do if he hadn't learned compliance and to trust me.

I'm sure other methods work for others, but this is just what has worked for Karac and me. Pat K

Hi I would like ideas that worked for rage,tantrums & fits. I have tried magic 123 and time outs. I have also tried rewards and taking things away. Our therapist says consequence and rewards with time outs or earlier bedtimes are the way to go. If my 10 year old goes into a fit or rage non of theese work at all. I have taken his limited interest toys and he seemed almost relieved. He doesnt watch tv save for one show a week and I took that away. He did not insist to to watch it. I took his shoes after our therapist said find a trigger,its not toys or tv and he flipped out. I did not give the shoes back for punishment until the next day. He began throwing things and swinging a back pack around hitting anyone of us that came near enough. He did stop for just a moment to ask if someone got a new haircut. It was like a time warp slipped in. Then came after me hitting and kicking and biting if I took hold of him. I finally pulled and fought while he kept hitting and kicking to get him into his room for the time out and he pushed the door through the jam and kept pounding and pushing until the jam broke. The door fell down and pieces of wood hit the floor. He couldnt get control of his self and started putting things in his mouth and eyes. Once he had calmed down and was safe after much pounding and yelling,screaming and throwing things I came up stairs and I had a good cry. Then he went back into the same rage like a re-run. I really need some better ideas. The empirical ones,the tried and true do not work with him. I am happy to say we have had two good days in a row following this 12 hour episode.Now that I know his trigger, is it worth the battle? Will it really help or teach him discipline? Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.

[Guest guest]

What has helped our son is positive reinforcement.

Watching the tones in our voices and no shouting.

Giving him choices. Our BCBA's were the ticket

in teaching us and staff who work w/him.

YODA

Re: ideas wanted for rage,tantrums & fits

The only thing that works with Karac is positive reinforcement. Punishment has only increased bad behavior with Karac. Karac is now almost 16, and I think he has learned self control from positive reinforcement. Early on, I would reward good being calm and quiet as frequently as every five minutes. Everyone who works with Karac has learned to use positive reinforcement with him. It has not been easy, and it has taken years. Today I have written sentences on a blackboard telling him what to expect for the day. I have found it helps him to know what his schedule is to avoid meltdowns. Karac will still have periods of agitation, but he has learned what to do to avoid being aggressive and these attacks only last 15 or 20 minutes. I have also learned and believe that the emotional out of control behavior comes from his right brain and that if I can move him into his left brain it will help him

control his behavior. I do this by having him count or spell some words. This seems to work within minutes. Fortunately, I started taking Karac to Sunday school when he was three years old and so he has a limited belief in God; so I can say, "Karac, ask God to help you be calm". He does, and he almost immediately calms down. I don't know if it is just a placebo effect, but Karac has even learned to say it without being prompted and he calms himself down. If you are not religious it may sound like hocus pocus to you, but it works for Karac and me, and I am so thankful because Karac is now about 5'11 and weighs 150 l bs. I don't know what I would do if he hadn't learned compliance and to trust me.

I'm sure other methods work for others, but this is just what has worked for Karac and me. Pat K

In a message dated 8/10/2008 6:10:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tishannepatterson@ yahoo.com writes:

Hi I would like ideas that worked for rage,tantrums & fits. I have tried magic 123 and time outs. I have also tried rewards and taking things away. Our therapist says consequence and rewards with time outs or earlier bedtimes are the way to go. If my 10 year old goes into a fit or rage non of theese work at all. I have taken his limited interest toys and he seemed almost relieved. He doesnt watch tv save for one show a week and I took that away. He did not insist to to watch it. I took his shoes after our therapist said find a trigger,its not toys or tv and he flipped out. I did not give the shoes back for punishment until the next day. He began throwing things and swinging a back pack around hitting anyone of us that came near enough. He did stop for just a moment to ask if someone got a new haircut. It was like a time warp slipped in. Then came after me hitting and kicking and biting if I took

hold of him. I finally pulled and fought while he kept hitting and kicking to get him into his room for the time out and he pushed the door through the jam and kept pounding and pushing until the jam broke. The door fell down and pieces of wood hit the floor. He couldnt get control of his self and started putting things in his mouth and eyes. Once he had calmed down and was safe after much pounding and yelling,screaming and throwing things I came up stairs and I had a good cry. Then he went back into the same rage like a re-run. I really need some better ideas. The empirical ones,the tried and true do not work with him. I am happy to say we have had two good days in a row following this 12 hour episode.Now that I know his trigger, is it worth the battle? Will it really help or teach him discipline?

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[Guest guest]

It's easy enough to manage adult tones, but what about siblings who are also on the spectrum? I have two autistic boys, who set each other off continuously. They have meltdowns day and night.

Sara

Re: ideas wanted for rage,tantrums & fits

The only thing that works with Karac is positive reinforcement. Punishment has only increased bad behavior with Karac. Karac is now almost 16, and I think he has learned self control from positive reinforcement. Early on, I would reward good being calm and quiet as frequently as every five minutes. Everyone who works with Karac has learned to use positive reinforcement with him. It has not been easy, and it has taken years. Today I have written sentences on a blackboard telling him what to expect for the day. I have found it helps him to know what his schedule is to avoid meltdowns. Karac will still have periods of agitation, but he has learned what to do to avoid being aggressive and these attacks only last 15 or 20 minutes. I have also learned and believe that the emotional out of control behavior comes from his right brain and that if I can move him into his left brain it will help him control his behavior. I do this by having him count or spell some words. This seems to work within minutes. Fortunately, I started taking Karac to Sunday school when he was three years old and so he has a limited belief in God; so I can say, "Karac, ask God to help you be calm". He does, and he almost immediately calms down. I don't know if it is just a placebo effect, but Karac has even learned to say it without being prompted and he calms himself down. If you are not religious it may sound like hocus pocus to you, but it works for Karac and me, and I am so thankful because Karac is now about 5'11 and weighs 150 l bs. I don't know what I would do if he hadn't learned compliance and to trust me.

I'm sure other methods work for others, but this is just what has worked for Karac and me. Pat K

In a message dated 8/10/2008 6:10:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tishannepatterson@ yahoo.com writes:

Hi I would like ideas that worked for rage,tantrums & fits. I have tried magic 123 and time outs. I have also tried rewards and taking things away. Our therapist says consequence and rewards with time outs or earlier bedtimes are the way to go. If my 10 year old goes into a fit or rage non of theese work at all. I have taken his limited interest toys and he seemed almost relieved. He doesnt watch tv save for one show a week and I took that away. He did not insist to to watch it. I took his shoes after our therapist said find a trigger,its not toys or tv and he flipped out. I did not give the shoes back for punishment until the next day. He began throwing things and swinging a back pack around hitting anyone of us that came near enough. He did stop for just a moment to ask if someone got a new haircut. It was like a time warp slipped in. Then came after me hitting and kicking and biting if I took hold of him. I finally pulled and fought while he kept hitting and kicking to get him into his room for the time out and he pushed the door through the jam and kept pounding and pushing until the jam broke. The door fell down and pieces of wood hit the floor. He couldnt get control of his self and started putting things in his mouth and eyes. Once he had calmed down and was safe after much pounding and yelling,screaming and throwing things I came up stairs and I had a good cry. Then he went back into the same rage like a re-run. I really need some better ideas. The empirical ones,the tried and true do not work with him. I am happy to say we have had two good days in a row following this 12 hour episode.Now that I know his trigger, is it worth the battle? Will it really help or teach him discipline?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,good question. I actually have 5 children home of 8 total. 3

of those 5 have autism. Most of the time I try to keep them separated

or in peaceful pairs. My housework never gets done and I am forever

in sweats,lol trying to keep them all busy or from setting each other

off. It helps if I get toys,hobby items and most things in duplicate.

If one is busy its better for everyone. If two are busy it gets even

better. Still they have melt downs and set each other off every day

and night. Often melt downs take up all of our time.

In AutismBehaviorProblems , " Sara "

wrote:

>

> It's easy enough to manage adult tones, but what about siblings who

are also on the spectrum? I have two autistic boys, who set each

other off continuously. They have meltdowns day and night.

>

> Sara

>

> Re: ideas wanted for rage,tantrums & fits

>

>

>

> The only thing that works with Karac is positive reinforcement.

Punishment has only increased bad behavior with Karac. Karac is now

almost 16, and I think he has learned self control from positive

reinforcement. Early on, I would reward good being calm and quiet as

frequently as every five minutes. Everyone who works with Karac has

learned to use positive reinforcement with him. It has not been

easy, and it has taken years. Today I have written sentences on a

blackboard telling him what to expect for the day. I have found it

helps him to know what his schedule is to avoid meltdowns. Karac

will still have periods of agitation, but he has learned what to do

to avoid being aggressive and these attacks only last 15 or 20

minutes. I have also learned and believe that the emotional out of

control behavior comes from his right brain and that if I can move

him into his left brain it will help him control his behavior. I do

this by having him count or spell some words. This seems to work

within minutes. Fortunately, I started taking Karac to Sunday

school when he was three years old and so he has a limited belief in

God; so I can say, " Karac, ask God to help you be calm " . He does,

and he almost immediately calms down. I don't know if it is just a

placebo effect, but Karac has even learned to say it without being

prompted and he calms himself down. If you are not religious it may

sound like hocus pocus to you, but it works for Karac and me, and I

am so thankful because Karac is now about 5'11 and weighs 150 l bs. I

don't know what I would do if he hadn't learned compliance and to

trust me.

>

> I'm sure other methods work for others, but this is just what has

worked for Karac and me. Pat K

>

> In a message dated 8/10/2008 6:10:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

tishannepatterson@ yahoo.com writes:

> Hi I would like ideas that worked for rage,tantrums & fits. I

have

> tried magic 123 and time outs. I have also tried rewards and

taking

> things away. Our therapist says consequence and rewards with

time

> outs or earlier bedtimes are the way to go. If my 10 year old

goes

> into a fit or rage non of theese work at all. I have taken his

> limited interest toys and he seemed almost relieved. He doesnt

watch

> tv save for one show a week and I took that away. He did not

insist

> to to watch it. I took his shoes after our therapist said find

a

> trigger,its not toys or tv and he flipped out. I did not give

the

> shoes back for punishment until the next day. He began throwing

> things and swinging a back pack around hitting anyone of us

that came

> near enough. He did stop for just a moment to ask if someone

got a

> new haircut. It was like a time warp slipped in. Then came

after me

> hitting and kicking and biting if I took hold of him. I finally

> pulled and fought while he kept hitting and kicking to get him

into

> his room for the time out and he pushed the door through the

jam and

> kept pounding and pushing until the jam broke. The door fell

down and

> pieces of wood hit the floor. He couldnt get control of his

self and

> started putting things in his mouth and eyes. Once he had

calmed down

> and was safe after much pounding and yelling,screaming and

throwing

> things I came up stairs and I had a good cry. Then he went back

into

> the same rage like a re-run. I really need some better ideas.

The

> empirical ones,the tried and true do not work with him. I am

happy to

> say we have had two good days in a row following this 12 hour

episode.

> Now that I know his trigger, is it worth the battle? Will it

really

> help or teach him discipline?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree; tone of voice makes a difference too. Karac has two siblings who can set him off with their loud screaming. Pat K

What has helped our son is positive reinforcement.

Watching the tones in our voices and no shouting.

Giving him choices. Our BCBA's were the ticket

in teaching us and staff who work w/him.

YODA

Re: ideas wanted for rage,tantrums & fits

The only thing that works with Karac is positive reinforcement. Punishment has only increased bad behavior with Karac. Karac is now almost 16, and I think he has learned self control from positive reinforcement. Early on, I would reward good being calm and quiet as frequently as every five minutes. Everyone who works with Karac has learned to use positive reinforcement with him. It has not been easy, and it has taken years. Today I have written sentences on a blackboard telling him what to expect for the day. I have found it helps him to know what his schedule is to avoid meltdowns. Karac will still have periods of agitation, but he has learned what to do to avoid being aggressive and these attacks only last 15 or 20 minutes. I have also learned and believe that the emotional out of control behavior comes from his right brain and that if I can move him into his left brain it will help him control his behavior. I do this by having him count or spell some words. This seems to work within minutes. Fortunately, I started taking Karac to Sunday school when he was three years old and so he has a limited belief in God; so I can say, "Karac, ask God to help you be calm". He does, and he almost immediately calms down. I don't know if it is just a placebo effect, but Karac has even learned to say it without being prompted and he calms himself down. If you are not religious it may sound like hocus pocus to you, but it works for Karac and me, and I am so thankful because Karac is now about 5'11 and weighs 150 l bs. I don't know what I would do if he hadn't learned compliance and to trust me.

I'm sure other methods work for others, but this is just what has worked for Karac and me. Pat K

In a message dated 8/10/2008 6:10:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tishannepatterson@ yahoo.com writes:

Hi I would like ideas that worked for rage,tantrums & fits. I have tried magic 123 and time outs. I have also tried rewards and taking things away. Our therapist says consequence and rewards with time outs or earlier bedtimes are the way to go. If my 10 year old goes into a fit or rage non of theese work at all. I have taken his limited interest toys and he seemed almost relieved. He doesnt watch tv save for one show a week and I took that away. He did not insist to to watch it. I took his shoes after our therapist said find a trigger,its not toys or tv and he flipped out. I did not give the shoes back for punishment until the next day. He began throwing things and swinging a back pack around hitting anyone of us that came near enough. He did stop for just a moment to ask if someone got a new haircut. It was like a time warp slipped in. Then came after me hitting and kicking and biting if I took hold of him. I finally pulled and fought while he kept hitting and kicking to get him into his room for the time out and he pushed the door through the jam and kept pounding and pushing until the jam broke. The door fell down and pieces of wood hit the floor. He couldnt get control of his self and started putting things in his mouth and eyes. Once he had calmed down and was safe after much pounding and yelling,screaming and throwing things I came up stairs and I had a good cry. Then he went back into the same rage like a re-run. I really need some better ideas. The empirical ones,the tried and true do not work with him. I am happy to say we have had two good days in a row following this 12 hour episode.Now that I know his trigger, is it worth the battle? Will it really help or teach him discipline?

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