Re: amino acids? - OOPS POTTINGER

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Sorry I got my cat hating scientists mixed up.

Schrodiger was a physisist who did some great work with cats however

he is not part of this discussion.

The name of the book I meant to recommend was POTTENGER'S CATS

Sorry! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))

DMM

> > I find this post very interesting and would like to understand

more

> > of what you mean by the fact that most folks aren't pushing this

> diet

> > to the limit to get results. Can you get more specific? Of give

> > some examples?

> >

> > As NT is set up as a cookbook, I can see how people would just

pick

> > and choose certain recipes and still eat the way they used to. I

> > didn't realize the importance of certain aspects of this diet

until

> I

> > read Weston Price's book and others, like Henry Bieler. Now, I

> pick

> > and choose from the various recipes in NT according to what I

know

> my

> > body will handle well. But I know I'm not even applying all of

the

> > principles yet. In your opinion and from experience, what are

the

> > more important aspects of NT that most of your patients get

results

> > from applying?? Raw foods/meats?

> >

> > Also, what sort of practitioner are you? I'm interested to know

> your

> > background and how you learned to apply NT principles to healing

> and

> > what sort of results you are getting with it....

> >

> > Thanks for sharing,

> > Becky

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > This is an interesting letter and it may serve to spell out some

> > > differences between those of us who are within, broadly

speaking,

> > the

> > > Nourishing Traditions family.

> > >

> > > First I would like to point out that I do not believe there is a

> > > generational passing on of any depletion. You may in fact

inherit

> a

> > > weakness for such, but whether that is manifested as such

depends

> > on many

> > > factors, the paramount issues being lifestyle and diet. This

> > assumption

> > > however causes many health practitioners to look in the wrong

> > direction

> > > when faced with patients who have such problems.

> > >

> > > Second, having dealt with a number of people facing these

> problems,

> > it is

> > > rare to find someone who has " tried everything " . They usually

> have

> > tried

> > > a lot of things within a narrow protocol and oftentimes have

> missed

> > some

> > > of the most obvious things, but more on that later.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <L-Trytophan and 5HTP can be extraordinary support for the

> intense

> > > cravings you speak of in the afternoon.>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Man oh man, where does one begin? There is a school of thought

> > within the

> > > broad field of nutrition and diet, that most isolated

supplements

> > in the

> > > long run tend to be toxic for the body, and particularly amino

> acid

> > and

> > > enzyme supplementation are looked at not as support but rather

as

> a

> > > crutch, not coaxing the body to eventually repair the damage

> > (however it

> > > got there) but rather causing the body to become dependent on

such

> > > protocol. True they can sometimes bring immediate relief in the

> > short

> > > term but in the long run do not help the body move forward. I

> could

> > say

> > > so much more about these two in particular but I will leave

that

> for

> > > another time. Suffice it to say there is a risk present here

that

> > is not

> > > at all present with what I suggested in an earlier post.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <snip> <The calm, serenity and lack of

> > > interest in carbos can be dramatic and immediate for many, many

> > > people.>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You have effectively shut down the body's signalling mechanism

for

> > > telling us that something is wrong by feeding it chemically

> rather

> > than

> > > providing it what it needs in terms of bioactive nutrients

found

> in

> > food,

> > > not chemical supplementation. As I said in a previous post,

> > acknowledge

> > > and trust the craving, just make sure it is satisfied in the

> proper

> > way.

> > > Eventually both the craving and the underlying problem causing

the

> > > craving will be gone. I know that sounds strange in todays

world

> > but I

> > > have found it to be true over and over again.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <snip>

> > >

> > >

> > > <Regarding how long one would stay on these--it really varies.

> You

> > > literally can " restock " your supply of these mood

> > neurotransmitters,

> > > as there are storage sights which get replenished. Eventually--

> > from

> > > 3 months to 1 year--you'll either notice that upon forgetting

to

> > take

> > > them that you didn't have a relapse, or you'll start to feel

the

> > > effects of too much seratonin, which would be similar to some

> > > symptoms of not enough--crabby, short-tempered. They are

> > absolutely

> > > not habit forming, and from everything I have seen, heard,

> > > experienced, and studied, they are safe.>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You can accomplish the same results in the same time frame with

> food

> > > alone. And I am highly suspicious of that last sentence for a

> > number of

> > > reasons, not the least being studies I have read talking about

the

> > > dangers of amino acid supplementation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <My feeling is that, yes, in an ideal world, a great diet a la

NT

> > > would be sufficient to restore any neurotransmitter

deficiency.

> > And

> > > many people do; simply eating more nutrient dense foods,

> especially

> > > fat and protein, eliminates the cravings. But as a culture so

> many

> > > of us have become so far out of balance with our biochemistry

> that

> > > more intervention is needed.>

> > >

> > >

> > > Several points.

> > >

> > > 1. While eating nutrient dense foods sometimes eliminates

> cravings -

> > her

> > > answer is a very simplistic brush off of a specific dietary

> > approach. The

> > > point I'm making is to eat a more nutrient dense form of the

kind

> > of food

> > > being craved, while making other very radical changes in the

diet.

> > >

> > > Most of the time we had our patients simply give up cooked

foods

> > for the

> > > moment, introducing them to grass fed butter, cream, and

cultured

> > milk,

> > > steak tartar, beef carpaccio, raw fish dishes, fermented

veggies

> and

> > > veggie salads, and on occasion a little cooked starch.

> > >

> > > If they were craving honey they could eat to their hearts

> content.

> > One

> > > lady had a fetish for ice cream, okay we trusted her body, and

> > showed her

> > > how to make raw ice cream. She ate a ton it, but a month later

> she

> > had

> > > lost weight and her craving for ice cream. Another gentlemen,

> > scared to

> > > death, stopped taking his 5HTP while simultaneously downing

tons

> of

> > raw

> > > meat with honey. He had absolutely no symptoms and was

ecstatic.

> I

> > did

> > > not try to subdue the craving but rather acknowledged it and

let

> it

> > be

> > > the guide as to how best to treat the patient/client.

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. Yes, many are very out of balance, and you can look at that

as

> a

> > need

> > > for more intervention, ala the medical model, or a need to move

> > further

> > > along the Price/Pottenger continuum, and mimic some of the

> > traditional

> > > groups whose diets were 90-100% raw and thus had many more

> bioactive

> > > nutrients available in their diet.

> > >

> > > I fear that the problem with many folk who adopt the NT way and

> > remain

> > > boggled by many problems is that they don't go far enough in

> > pushing the

> > > diet to the limit and simply replace rather haphazardly their

> > previous

> > > foods. And when they don't find relief they end up falling back

> on a

> > > paradigm which contradicts some of the basic tenants of Price's

> > work.

> > >

> > > The raw/cooked combo works for many but not all and the

> > > Price/Pottenger/NT continuum certainly has a nearly raw food

> > perspective

> > > within it, even if its not evident on this list. That

perspective

> > works

> > > in situations like this and renders obsolete the need for toxic

> > > supplementation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <I don't want to simplify this too much; usually there is a

> > > constellation of imbalances which needed to be addressed

> > > simultaneously. Food allergies are a big one. Many are

allergic

> > to

> > > such things as gluten --even pre-soaked, sprouted, etc.-- and

> food

> > > allergies can aggravate food cravings.>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, getting rid of grains in this situation is a must.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <Chromium and other mineral

> > > def. can be big.>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The honey solves this problem as do the other raw foods. We can

> get

> > > caught up in a whole complex of approaches as we find one thing

> > doesn't

> > > work and we move to another. Sometimes though we need to trust

> what

> > got

> > > us here in the first place, our commitment to the foods of

> tradition

> > > provided for in a nourishing way. That may mean taking a closer

> > look at

> > > things that are right under our nose.

> > >

> > > Lierre, I wish you well as try to find the right path.

> > >

> > >