Re: My experience with lipitor

[Guest guest]

This is actually kind of interesting finding out what we all do! I have often wondered about posters and what they do...have wondered about their disabilities from statins and how it effects their employment. I know I sure work less than I used to...I am thankful my husband has a good job with benefits. I am also thankful that I can work when I feel well...I am a substitute teacher and a quilter/dollmaker folk artist.Jan

Hi, Jan ! Thanks for the support , although it wasn't my plan to include what my family did, I was meeting Matt's challenge that I was a lawyer, LOL ! Actually he complimented me , I was in retail before I became too ill to work anymore ! Sounds like you have a very interesting career ,and I collect dolls ,and my youngest daughter was a substitute teacher , although now she's going to be a dental hygenist . Hugs, Les .

[Guest guest]

I can tell you what I do,NOTHING,but still have effects from Lipitor

But,my one brother lives in Indonesia and is a Photographer for Time

Magazine,myother brother lives in Tawaiin and is in the Hotel business

BIG hotels,His one son is a BLIND lawyer in New Zealand and his other

son is at Washington University in his last year of leaning to be a

physiologist. My other brother is a schizophrenic and there are more of

us in Vienna and I am in Missouri,

LesinAZ@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/25/2004 3:10:56 AM US Mountain Standard

Time, mqjtg247@... writes:

What trial lawyer do you

work for or are you one yourself?

Actually,

I'm not a lawyer , and you would be surprised to know that one of my

daughter's is a DR , one is an insurance administrator, and my brother

is a holistic health practioner , his girfriend is a world famous

psychiatrist.My father , now deceased , was a pharmaceutical Rep , my

mother was a hospital administrator ... so my family is all in the

medical profession ! Now tell me what you do !!

-- cbtanner@... ()

[Guest guest]

This is actually kind of interesting finding out what we all do! I have

often wondered about posters and what they do...have wondered about

their disabilities from statins and how it effects their employment. I

know I sure work less than I used to...I am thankful my husband has a

good job with benefits. I am also thankful that I can work when I feel

well...I am a substitute teacher and a quilter/dollmaker folk artist.

Jan

LesinAZ@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/25/2004 12:11:53 PM US Mountain Standard

Time, cbtanner@... writes:

I can tell you what I do,NOTHING,but

still have effects from Lipitor

But,my one brother lives in Indonesia and is a Photographer for Time

Magazine,myother brother lives in Tawaiin and is in the Hotel business

BIG hotels,His one son is a BLIND lawyer in New Zealand and his other

son is at Washington University in his last year of leaning to be a

physiologist. My other brother is a schizophrenic and there are more of

us in Vienna and I am in Missouri,

I'm

confused, you weren't the one I was addressing before with this

question, were you, not the same email address !

-- Cold Water Farm Primitives - http://www.geocities.com/coldwaterfarm

[Guest guest]

Hey, you have a right to brag.,you have a great family. By coming in on

the end of the conversation, I thought the person telling us about all

the Medical people in the family was this Matt......

No,I have no clue who he is but I think he belongs on the other

board,

LesinAZ@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/25/2004 12:21:19 PM US Mountain Standard

Time, cbtanner@... writes:

No, I am not,but we all can brag, I know

we can, and I KNOW how Lipitor affected me and I wish I could go back

to my life BEFORE Lipitor,

I

wasn't bragging ,sorry if it seemed that way ; Matt accused me of being

a trial lawyer, and I told him I was far from it, by telling him I come

from a medical family ! I guess you got in on only part of what was

going on , or are you a friend of his ???? Les .

-- cbtanner@... ()

[Guest guest]

Les I have a job so I don't have all day to sit and post sorry. Not a friend of mine. But this person is jerking your chain. I swear. I am sure you can tie you lack of a sense of humor to the lipitor, but I have no idea who this is. You prove my point with these posts about everyone being out to get folks and that there is a coordinated effort out here in the big world. NWO stuff I guess.

We're all getting everyone mixed up here , I was not the person who posted about NWO , you have the wrong person ! Les .

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I've spent 9 years in the mental health field. I am around doctors and nurses all day. So I have access to medical people all day long to ask questions. I have a friend from HS and college that is a Cardiologist. Went to s Hopkins so he is relatively bright. I hold a Masters degree so I am familiar with research. If you must know my masters is in Counseling. 3.5 of those 9 years were spent on an inpatient geriatric psych unit. So I am very familiar with Alzheimer's. Lots of patients not on statins with Alzheimer's.

Matt, do you talk to your patients the way you talk to us ? My brother and youngest daughter both were counselors at one time ..and both are very compassionate and understanding people ....the type that need to be in this type of career .....

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Why don't I belong here. I am trying to learn something and just because I do not walk in lock step with you folks I am the devil or something. Freedom of speech as long as it is yours right?

You are mocking us and demeaning us ,that's why . Maybe you should turn off Rush Limbaugh and really listen to real people for a change ....

[Guest guest]

I've spent 9 years in the mental health field. I am around doctors and nurses all day. So I have access to medical people all day long to ask questions. I have a friend from HS and college that is a Cardiologist. Went to s Hopkins so he is relatively bright. I hold a Masters degree so I am familiar with research. If you must know my masters is in Counseling. 3.5 of those 9 years were spent on an inpatient geriatric psych unit. So I am very familiar with Alzheimer's. Lots of patients not on statins with Alzheimer's.

My father has had two heart attacks, open heart and angioplasty. I was adopted as I stated before so I do not carry the genetics. But he is a little internet shy so I do a lot of the research. Plus I have access to a cardiologist that most don't. Thus I have people explain pathways and such.

I also live in Mississippi. The most litigious state in the country. Docs leave here because they get sued by lawyers and pts that have had no damage but the lawyer told them they could get money. Please don't tell me this doesn't happen because it does. I am NOT anti law suit for med errors. But when lawyers recruit people into suits just for the cash, then that IS wrong. I am also very conscious about litigation in this state and I hear stories from my doctor friend.

This lists gives the impression that all statins are bad and that no one has been helped by statin use and they only hurt people. My father has not had a heart attack since being on a statin and his mental health is great. So I try to see both sides of it. When I hear things like New World Order and such I have to laugh at the stupidity of it.

There is a little background for you.

Re: My experience with lipitor

What trial lawyer do you work for or are you one yourself?

Actually, I'm not a lawyer , and you would be surprised to know that one of my daughter's is a DR , one is an insurance administrator, and my brother is a holistic health practioner , his girfriend is a world famous psychiatrist.My father , now deceased , was a pharmaceutical Rep , my mother was a hospital administrator ... so my family is all in the medical profession ! Now tell me what you do !!

[Guest guest]

Les I have a job so I don't have all day to sit and post sorry. Not a friend of mine. But this person is jerking your chain. I swear. I am sure you can tie you lack of a sense of humor to the lipitor, but I have no idea who this is. You prove my point with these posts about everyone being out to get folks and that there is a coordinated effort out here in the big world. NWO stuff I guess.

Re: My experience with lipitor

No, I am not,but we all can brag, I know we can, and I KNOW how Lipitor affected me and I wish I could go back to my life BEFORE Lipitor,

I wasn't bragging ,sorry if it seemed that way ; Matt accused me of being a trial lawyer, and I told him I was far from it, by telling him I come from a medical family ! I guess you got in on only part of what was going on , or are you a friend of his ???? Les .

[Guest guest]

Why don't I belong here. I am trying to learn something and just because I do not walk in lock step with you folks I am the devil or something. Freedom of speech as long as it is yours right?

Re: My experience with lipitor

Hey, you have a right to brag.,you have a great family. By coming in on the end of the conversation, I thought the person telling us about all the Medical people in the family was this Matt......No,I have no clue who he is but I think he belongs on the other board,

Thanks for clearing this up! I think we're all mad at him, he doesn't belong here! I had never planned on mentioning who my family is, but when I asked him if he works for or owns a drug company, his retort was to ask me if I was a trial lawyer, so I wanted to make the point that this was in no way the reason that I was upset with what he was saying! Whew, I'm sure glad we cleared that up, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was him, LOL! Just to update you on who I am, I am Les, and I was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy after taking first Crestor, and then Provachal. The neuropathy first appeared after taking Crestor, I went off the drug, the neuropathy went away, the DR put me on Provachal, the neuropathy returned with avengeance, and I'm in pain 24/7 . Les.

[Guest guest]

Matt One person threw out NWO, probably tongue in

cheek and now you assume everyone here thinks the same

way. There is no doubt that some people have been

helped by statins but at the same time a large number

have been seriously harmed. Ask your cardiologist to

give you a study about the benefits of cholesterol in

the body, what is its use, why do our bodies

manufacture the stuff. The drug industry is focused on

one thing only, cholesterol clogging arteries.

Cardiologists would probably like it if we had no

cholesterol in our blood streams mind you we would be

dead from something else. What role does cholesterol

play in the immune system? The immune system of the

body has to be one of the most unknown areas of

medical science. The Pharmas would like 100% of us to

take their statin products and when a bunch of us go

down they can give us another drug like Neurontin for

Peripheral Neuropathy. The most unethical industry in

the world, big Pharmas. I have a friend whose husband

died of cancer, she would sit around the hospital in

those final days and observed the Pharma sales reps

coming in and wining and dining the cancer

specialists, to persuade them to use their latest

products. Ugh.

--- Matt wrote:

> I've spent 9 years in the mental health field. I am

> around doctors and nurses all day. So I have access

> to medical people all day long to ask questions. I

> have a friend from HS and college that is a

> Cardiologist. Went to s Hopkins so he is

> relatively bright. I hold a Masters degree so I am

> familiar with research. If you must know my masters

> is in Counseling. 3.5 of those 9 years were spent

> on an inpatient geriatric psych unit. So I am very

> familiar with Alzheimer's. Lots of patients not on

> statins with Alzheimer's.

>

> My father has had two heart attacks, open heart and

> angioplasty. I was adopted as I stated before so I

> do not carry the genetics. But he is a little

> internet shy so I do a lot of the research. Plus I

> have access to a cardiologist that most don't. Thus

> I have people explain pathways and such.

>

> I also live in Mississippi. The most litigious

> state in the country. Docs leave here because they

> get sued by lawyers and pts that have had no damage

> but the lawyer told them they could get money.

> Please don't tell me this doesn't happen because it

> does. I am NOT anti law suit for med errors. But

> when lawyers recruit people into suits just for the

> cash, then that IS wrong. I am also very conscious

> about litigation in this state and I hear stories

> from my doctor friend.

>

> This lists gives the impression that all statins are

> bad and that no one has been helped by statin use

> and they only hurt people. My father has not had a

> heart attack since being on a statin and his mental

> health is great. So I try to see both sides of it.

> When I hear things like New World Order and such I

> have to laugh at the stupidity of it.

>

> There is a little background for you.

>

>

> Re: My

> experience with lipitor

>

>

> In a message dated 8/25/2004 3:10:56 AM US

> Mountain Standard Time, mqjtg247@...

> writes:

> What trial lawyer do you work for or are you one

> yourself?

> Actually, I'm not a lawyer , and you would be

> surprised to know that one of my daughter's is a DR

> , one is an insurance administrator, and my brother

> is a holistic health practioner , his girfriend is a

> world famous psychiatrist.My father , now deceased ,

> was a pharmaceutical Rep , my mother was a hospital

> administrator ... so my family is all in the medical

> profession ! Now tell me what you do !!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Matt...how long has your Dad been taking Lipitor and at what dosage? I

hope your Dad stays well but chances are that sooner or later you'll be

on " our side " ...I am sure it does seem like we blame the Lipitor for all

our ailments....but have you seen the list of side effects from this

drug? I don't know what alot of them even are and I hope to hell I never

do...but I know I have alot of them from taking this drug.

Jan

this is from Lipitor's website

http://www.lipitor.com/pi/default.asp

Under ADVERSE REACTIONS:

Body as a Whole: Chest pain, face edema, fever, neck rigidity, malaise,

photosensitivity reaction, generalized edema.

Digestive System: Nausea, gastroenteritis, liver function tests

abnormal, colitis, vomiting, gastritis, dry mouth, rectal hemorrhage,

esophagitis, eructation, glossitis, mouth ulceration, anorexia,

increased appetite, stomatitis, biliary pain, cheilitis, duodenal ulcer,

dysphagia, enteritis, melena, gum hemorrhage, stomach ulcer, tenesmus,

ulcerative stomatitis, hepatitis, pancreatitis, cholestatic jaundice.

Respiratory System: Bronchitis, rhinitis, pneumonia, dyspnea, asthma,

epistaxis.

Nervous System: Insomnia, dizziness, paresthesia, somnolence, amnesia,

abnormal dreams, libido decreased, emotional lability, incoordination,

peripheral neuropathy, torticollis, facial paralysis, hyperkinesia,

depression, hypesthesia, hypertonia.

Musculoskeletal System: Arthritis, leg cramps, bursitis, tenosynovitis,

myasthenia, tendinous contracture, myositis.

Skin and Appendages: Pruritus, contact dermatitis, alopecia, dry skin,

sweating, acne, urticaria, eczema, seborrhea, skin ulcer.

Urogenital System: Urinary tract infection, urinary frequency, cystitis,

hematuria, impotence, dysuria, kidney calculus, nocturia, epididymitis,

fibrocystic breast, vaginal hemorrhage, albuminuria, breast enlargement,

metrorrhagia, nephritis, urinary incontinence, urinary retention,

urinary urgency, abnormal ejaculation, uterine hemorrhage.

Special Senses: Amblyopia, tinnitus, dry eyes, refraction disorder, eye

hemorrhage, deafness, glaucoma, parosmia, taste loss, taste perversion.

Cardiovascular System: Palpitation, vasodilatation, syncope, migraine,

postural hypotension, phlebitis, arrhythmia, angina pectoris, hypertension.

Metabolic and Nutritional Disorders: Peripheral edema, hyperglycemia,

creatine phosphokinase increased, gout, weight gain, hypoglycemia.

Hemic and Lymphatic System: Ecchymosis, anemia, lymphadenopathy,

thrombocytopenia, petechia.

[Guest guest]

Why are you so afraid of debate. If you are right then there is no reason to act childish, you should all be able to talk me down with facts, study names and statistics. But instead you act like my five year old on the playground. But I am the new kid that walked on to your playground. I hope all of you don't treat people like this in real life. Even though I know you do, I can hope against hope I am wrong on this. But I doubt it. You talk about compassion and publicly ridicule someone because they disagree with you. Nice....

This is NOT a debate board, go away and find another board, we're all here to help and sympathize with each other, not debate ! Go back to Rush Limbaugh and leave us alone !

[Guest guest]

This is silly. Then why didn't you say it, Les. You are like children beating up on one person. How very pathetic of all of you. Ooooh look how funny we are making fun of this guy like he can't read any of this. If any of your children treated someone like this you would be horrified. Well I would. You want to talk to someone act like adults.

Why are you so afraid of debate. If you are right then there is no reason to act childish, you should all be able to talk me down with facts, study names and statistics. But instead you act like my five year old on the playground. But I am the new kid that walked on to your playground. I hope all of you don't treat people like this in real life. Even though I know you do, I can hope against hope I am wrong on this. But I doubt it. You talk about compassion and publicly ridicule someone because they disagree with you. Nice.

Have a great evening though.

Matt

Re: My experience with lipitor

Ahem! You can sure say THAT again! Hope your therapy is successful Matt.Matt wrote:

.. Many in the field need serious therapy themselves.

LOL, you said what I wanted too !!!

[Guest guest]

Mad as hatters the lot of em.

Mr Cognito

Re: My experience with lipitor

I was just about to post my opinon on counselors.....lol....

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