Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 In a message dated 2/24/02 10:15:30 AM Central Standard Time, wanitawa@... writes: > Unless > you can find organic restaurant or market food waste minus soy enough to > feed > your pigs to me the only choice is organic corn or conventional grown > vegetable/garden matter. > > Wanita > > > Thanks Wanita. We have pretty much gotten out of the hog business as they are more of a fencing challenge than we are up to right now and because it is a big money loss. The cost to raise one to butchering size on purchased corn just doesn't leave you anywhere but in the whole. We had one sow left and she managed to root up about 5 acres in a week's time, we weren't planning on plowing that pasture.... She is at a friend's having her pigs. Once they are weaned and he sends her home she will be bacon. Belinda LaBelle Acres www.labelleacres.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Pigs will eat and are supposed to eat whatever we don't eat or can eat. They need to eat soil and roots for health two things we likely did at some time in history. This would exclude grains and legumes of agricultural origin not in the wild. I'm comfortable with cornmeal when small then cracked corn because its grass. Won't raise them again until I know I have a not genetically engineered source. Use commercial corn until fresh corn comes in. Get the gone by ears from growers. Last time we raised we finished off with apple cider pressings. Tenderized, sweetened meat and moves toxins out of system. Pigs are the genetically closest to humans in the barnyard. Pig arteries are used in human bypass surgery. Was brought up that raw meat feeding in excess would make them mean. Pretty sure its illegal now. Don't want a pig that won't come over for a back scratch or a pen you can't goin. Last time we had pigs few chickens did free range into the pig pen and didn't make it out. Just instinct. Whenever I hear the usual pigs are dirty I ask if they knew that pigs use the corner of their pen furthest from their food for their toilet. No other farm animal does that. In the early 60's my Dad worked collecting collecting garbage (kitchen waste) that had to be separated from other household waste in a nearby town that was more urban. This fed all the pigs in the piggery of the man he worked for. This was before there was anything but Mom & Pop groceries, few if any farmer's supplies or graineries and what was raised in the valley fed the valley. Unless you can find organic restaurant or market food waste minus soy enough to feed your pigs to me the only choice is organic corn or conventional grown vegetable/garden matter. Wanita At 03:49 AM 2/23/02 +0000, you wrote: > >> If we are not to feed the pigs grain. What do we feed them. I know >one fella >> who goes to the chicken houses and collects the dead chickens. >Somehow that >> doesn't seem like such a great idea either tho. >> >> >> Belinda >> LaBelle Acres >> <http://www.labelleacres.com/>www.labelleacres.com >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 In a message dated 2/24/02 1:18:57 PM Central Standard Time, brixman@... writes: > Properly fed and balanced > soil produces vegetation that will help keep animals IN the pasture. > > Regards, > Rex Harrill > We could then, in theory, do away with the fence as my animals on properly nourished soil would stay on my property? Nice idea, now we only have to get the animals to believe it. Belinda LaBelle Acres www.labelleacres.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 2/24/2002 11:39:58 AM, bilherbs@... wrote: >Thanks Wanita. We have pretty much gotten out of >the hog business as they are >more of a fencing challenge than we are up to right now ACRES USA sells a video of a 1950s film by Professor A. Albrecht. " The Other Side of the Fence " starts with a clip of a farmer tying to keep a cow from pushing down a fence to get to the vegetation growing just OUTSIDE her pasture. The film then goes to a part that illustrates how hogs will only feed from a part of a pasture that has been properly fertilized. The film is old, but it makes a dramatic case that most farmers are literally starving their animals even as they fatten them for market. Further, Albrecht makes his case that meat & milk from such animals is a part of the negative nutrition most of us suffer. " Soilfertility, " who often posts here with extensive Albrecht quotes, tries to help the list members understand the need for feeding the soil first. Properly fed and balanced soil produces vegetation that will help keep animals IN the pasture. Regards, Rex Harrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 At 02:17 PM 2/24/02 -0500, you wrote: The film then goes to a part that >illustrates how hogs will only feed from a part of a pasture that has been >properly fertilized. > >The film is old, but it makes a dramatic case that most farmers are >literally starving their animals even as they fatten them for market. >Further, Albrecht makes his case that meat & milk from such animals is a >part of the negative nutrition most of us suffer. > >Regards, >Rex Harrill I agree totally on soil fertility and negative nutrition. If ancestral diet isn't eaten you'll wander for it or be sick without it. Is the biggest threat to our and what we eat's continuance. Recently got the ACRE's catalog, have a long wish list including Albrecht. Will have library search out and visit local agricultural library I just found out about. Homestead raising or growing isn't very cost or time effective anymore but at least you know you're eating a lesser evil. Remember many a day when young when Mom would put us in the car to go herd the pigs at the piggery back in. Have found out since I'd rather herd pigs than sheep anyday.:-) One of the many experiences that hasn't worked. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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