Tyramine, migraines and pickled salmon?

[Guest guest]

I just pickled some salmon a couple days ago per NT's recipe -- it came out

PERFECTLY! The problem is that my girlfriend gets migraines from pickled

foods because of the tyramine content, and she's nervous about eating some

of the salmon even though she loves it and wants to pig out on it with me

tomorrow while watching some DVDs. Does anyone know whether traditionally

pickled foods, particularly salmon, are a danger for tyramine-sensitive

migraine sufferers, or whether it's only the modern, bogus methods of

pickling that cause problems?

TIA,

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[Guest guest]

asked:

> Does anyone know whether traditionally pickled foods, particularly

salmon, are a danger for tyramine-sensitive migraine sufferers, or

whether it's only the modern, bogus methods of pickling that cause

problems?

i don't *know* the answer to the question, but, since tyramine is

formed from the breakdown of proteins in foods as they age, including

fermented and cured foods and even plain ole black bananas, i would

assume that it would be a problem.

does she have a problem w/smoked salmon? w/raw aged cheeses?

w/overripe bananas?

the problem intrigues me because i have suffered from migraines, but

i've been successfully controlling them with *lots* of water and a

little exercise. my migraines seem to be related to a convergence of

at least 2 of the following: casein, hormones, and low blood

pressure, which can be caused by dehydration. i read that tyramine

supports blood pressure and that an excess can cause a hypertensive

crisis. since dehydration can also cause hypertension (and since

exercise helps stabilize blood pressure), i wonder if the simple

water and exercise cure wouldn't also help your gfriend? does her

blood pressure rise or fall during her migraines?

i'd be very interested to know, and i thank you for posting this

question. i just noticed last wk that overripe bananas were putting

me to bed for a couple of hrs. i had no idea why (and i still don't),

but i hiked up my water intake, and now i can handle them.

now you have me wondering whether it's the casein or the tyramine in

cheeses that bothers me.

starting to ramble--

allene in sc

[Guest guest]

asked:

> Does anyone know whether traditionally pickled foods, particularly

salmon, are a danger for tyramine-sensitive migraine sufferers, or

whether it's only the modern, bogus methods of pickling that cause

problems?

i don't *know* the answer to the question, but, since tyramine is

formed from the breakdown of proteins in foods as they age, including

fermented and cured foods and even plain ole black bananas, i would

assume that it would be a problem.

does she have a problem w/smoked salmon? w/raw aged cheeses?

w/overripe bananas?

the problem intrigues me because i have suffered from migraines, but

i've been successfully controlling them with *lots* of water and a

little exercise. my migraines seem to be related to a convergence of

at least 2 of the following: casein, hormones, and low blood

pressure, which can be caused by dehydration. i read that tyramine

supports blood pressure and that an excess can cause a hypertensive

crisis. since dehydration can also cause hypertension (and since

exercise helps stabilize blood pressure), i wonder if the simple

water and exercise cure wouldn't also help your gfriend? does her

blood pressure rise or fall during her migraines?

i'd be very interested to know, and i thank you for posting this

question. i just noticed last wk that overripe bananas were putting

me to bed for a couple of hrs. i had no idea why (and i still don't),

but i hiked up my water intake, and now i can handle them.

now you have me wondering whether it's the casein or the tyramine in

cheeses that bothers me.

starting to ramble--

allene in sc

[Guest guest]

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>does she have a problem w/smoked salmon? w/raw aged cheeses?

>w/overripe bananas?

She can eat smoked salmon but not any aged cheeses, which give her clusters

and migraines. Fresh cheeses (mozzarella, for example) don't pose a

problem. She's not interested in looking into grass-fed and so on, though.

>i read that tyramine

>supports blood pressure and that an excess can cause a hypertensive

>crisis.

Hmm, she has chronic low blood pressure, so I don't think that's it, though

I suppose maybe the tyramine could be raising her pressure to an otherwise

harmless level that her system isn't used to handling. Just blind speculation.

>does her

>blood pressure rise or fall during her migraines?

When her head's bad she's not usually up to taking her blood pressure, so I

don't know. <g>

>i just noticed last wk that overripe bananas were putting

>me to bed for a couple of hrs. i had no idea why (and i still don't),

Perhaps the tryptophan content?

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