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>What's good about kefir? Please don't refer me to kefir making

>message board. To hear those people " everything " is kefir. Anyway

>just wandering what is in kefir that's better than yogurt or

>comparable.

Good question, and I'm not sure I can answer usefully, but I'll try.

Kefir grains are made of a much wider variety of organisms than yoghurt,

which at least in theory could be quite beneficial as they'll tend to

displace a wider range of pathogens and perform a larger number of

functions. In addition to lactic-acid-producing bacteria (like yoghurt)

kefir has acetic-acid-producing bacteria and beneficial yeasts. Also,

kefir is supposed to be more effective at building and strengthening the

intestinal mucous layer.

However, I make both yoghurt and kefir, and while I like both, I couldn't

tell you whether one is better than the other from any response in my

health. They both seem to be good.

There is one definite advantage to kefir, though -- you don't have to keep

buying starter. <g> In fact, the grains actually multiply, so you can

sell your surplus, give them away, and/or make other things with them, like

kefir kraut, kefir-fermented fruit juice, etc.

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Benefits of kefir vs yogurt

Objective:

Wider range of beneficial bacteria

Less heating needed

Yeasts (yogurt has none)

Useful for things other than dairy

Drinkable!

Subjective:

Tastes just as good as yogurt

Very slightly carbonated (I love carbonation)

Drinkable!

I still haven't made it myself though. :-(

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From: dkemnitz2000 [mailto:dkemnitz2000@...]

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:42 PM

Subject: kefir vs. yogurt

What's good about kefir? Please don't refer me to kefir making

message board. To hear those people " everything " is kefir. Anyway

just wandering what is in kefir that's better than yogurt or

comparable. Dennis

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> Objective:

> Drinkable!

> Subjective:

> Drinkable!

Actually, once I switched to un-homogenized milk, my yoghurt started coming

out thinner than my kefir. I drink both of them now. <g>

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And multiply!!! Thanks that was a very useful answer :-)

I will tell you from my clinical experience that while raw milk and raw

kefir could work wonders, yoghurt didn't do squat. The heating process

affected it in such a way that it was useless therapeutically speaking.

You had to raise the temperature above what the milk would have reached

inside of the animal and that just never produced an effective product.

I thought I read some earlier posts of folks making yoghurt without heat?

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:09:17 -0500 Idol <Idol@...>

writes:

>What's good about kefir? Please don't refer me to kefir making

>message board. To hear those people " everything " is kefir. Anyway

>just wandering what is in kefir that's better than yogurt or

>comparable.

Good question, and I'm not sure I can answer usefully, but I'll try.

Kefir grains are made of a much wider variety of organisms than yoghurt,

which at least in theory could be quite beneficial as they'll tend to

displace a wider range of pathogens and perform a larger number of

functions. In addition to lactic-acid-producing bacteria (like yoghurt)

kefir has acetic-acid-producing bacteria and beneficial yeasts. Also,

kefir is supposed to be more effective at building and strengthening the

intestinal mucous layer.

However, I make both yoghurt and kefir, and while I like both, I couldn't

tell you whether one is better than the other from any response in my

health. They both seem to be good.

There is one definite advantage to kefir, though -- you don't have to

keep

buying starter. <g> In fact, the grains actually multiply, so you can

sell your surplus, give them away, and/or make other things with them,

like

kefir kraut, kefir-fermented fruit juice, etc.

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One of the lactobacilli that is in Kefir that is missing from yogurt is

lactabacillus plantarum. Plantarum is similarly beneficial to the yogurt

lactobacilli, but supposedly is more easily maintained in the digestive

tract. I would imagine, however, that is relative to the individual's diet

and the amount of cellulose and oligosacharides present since I believe it

is also one that is closely involved with plant fermentation. If you're on

a low vegetation diet, your mileage may vary.

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>The heating process

>affected it in such a way that it was useless therapeutically speaking.

>You had to raise the temperature above what the milk would have reached

>inside of the animal and that just never produced an effective product.

That's why I'm trying to make yoghurt without any extra heating of any

kind. :-\

>I thought I read some earlier posts of folks making yoghurt without heat?

Me too, I think.

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Soo, someone who can't tolerate milk can drink kefir? (I can do

yogurt alright)

I bought some kefir grains from the health food store but now I'm

wondering if I have the same kind of " grains " that you all are

talking about. Kefir starter is not the same as grains, is it? The

directions say nothing about reusing anything. In fact, it says to

heat the milk to 180F or to the boiling point. This doesn't sound

like the same kefir that you all are talking about. HELP!!

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>Soo, someone who can't tolerate milk can drink kefir? (I can do

>yogurt alright)

Yup! As long as you let the kefir culture long enough to consume all the

lactose.

>I bought some kefir grains from the health food store but now I'm

>wondering if I have the same kind of " grains " that you all are

>talking about. Kefir starter is not the same as grains, is it?

Hmm, sounds like you might have gotten powdered kefir starter, which is not

at all the same as kefir curds/grains. The grains look kind of like lumps

of tapioca pudding, and you transfer them from one batch of milk to the

next. Powdered starter doesn't make real kefir, and can't be reused like

real kefir grains.

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You probably got kefir powder, which I use. (my grains died, but I think they

were doa from someplace in Canada). I don't heat the milk to 180; I put it in

my dehydrator and get it to about 90, and then add the powder and leave it on

the counter for 24 hours. Works great. You also don't need a dehydrator - just

make sure the milk is room temperature before you add the powder (or grains, if

you use them). It takes a little longer for hte milk to warm up without the

dehydrator.

----- Original Message -----

From: lisamc8898

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: kefir vs. yogurt

Soo, someone who can't tolerate milk can drink kefir? (I can do

yogurt alright)

I bought some kefir grains from the health food store but now I'm

wondering if I have the same kind of " grains " that you all are

talking about. Kefir starter is not the same as grains, is it? The

directions say nothing about reusing anything. In fact, it says to

heat the milk to 180F or to the boiling point. This doesn't sound

like the same kefir that you all are talking about. HELP!!

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I have been making yogurt this week without heating it. I have been taking

my raw goats milk out of the fridge adding yogurt starter right out of the

fridge to it and then sticking it in my dehydrator at no higher than 100

degrees and it has been turning out great. It is thick before it gets put in

the refrigerator!

Marcella

>From: bianca3@...

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>

>Subject: Re: kefir vs. yogurt

>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:19:03 -0800

>

>And multiply!!! Thanks that was a very useful answer :-)

>

>I will tell you from my clinical experience that while raw milk and raw

>kefir could work wonders, yoghurt didn't do squat. The heating process

>affected it in such a way that it was useless therapeutically speaking.

>You had to raise the temperature above what the milk would have reached

>inside of the animal and that just never produced an effective product.

>

>I thought I read some earlier posts of folks making yoghurt without heat?

>

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:09:17 -0500 Idol <Idol@...>

>writes:

>

> >What's good about kefir? Please don't refer me to kefir making

> >message board. To hear those people " everything " is kefir. Anyway

> >just wandering what is in kefir that's better than yogurt or

> >comparable.

>

>Good question, and I'm not sure I can answer usefully, but I'll try.

>

>Kefir grains are made of a much wider variety of organisms than yoghurt,

>which at least in theory could be quite beneficial as they'll tend to

>displace a wider range of pathogens and perform a larger number of

>functions. In addition to lactic-acid-producing bacteria (like yoghurt)

>kefir has acetic-acid-producing bacteria and beneficial yeasts. Also,

>kefir is supposed to be more effective at building and strengthening the

>intestinal mucous layer.

>

>However, I make both yoghurt and kefir, and while I like both, I couldn't

>

>tell you whether one is better than the other from any response in my

>health. They both seem to be good.

>

>There is one definite advantage to kefir, though -- you don't have to

>keep

>buying starter. <g> In fact, the grains actually multiply, so you can

>sell your surplus, give them away, and/or make other things with them,

>like

>kefir kraut, kefir-fermented fruit juice, etc.

>

>

>

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>

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