to bread, or not to bread?

[Guest guest]

hi listers, here is a question for thoes of you whom like to cook. I know

that as diabetics that we should stay away from fried foods ware posable.

but, somebody was asking me about things that were breded such as breded

chicken, or hushpuppies, and other things. even thoe you don't use grease

with this can we have these, or not? thanks alot.

[Guest guest]

, why would you think that diabetics should stay away from fried

foods? I fry things all the time, it is a perfectly good and healthy way

to cook. We need, as a rule, to stay away from things with a lot of

breading on them, then fried, but fried foods, in and of themselves, are

not at all a problem.

Most type two diabetics should avoid breaded foods, the breading has a lot

of carbohydrates in it and causes raises in your blood glucose, but you do

not need to avoid frying foods at all.

Dan

[Guest guest]

hi dan, ok my friend, thanks for letting me know. I am a little bit

confewsed here. when I was first found to be a diabetic back in early 92

they said to stay from sugars, or shugger concentrates what ever that is,

and fried foods. sence I have taken a number of diabetic classes, and they

all have said to stay away from fried foods because of the fat content. I

may need to look in to this more I see. I have tried to stay away from

things like that.

charlesAt 07:03 AM 11/1/02 -0500, you wrote:

>, why would you think that diabetics should stay away from fried

>foods? I fry things all the time, it is a perfectly good and healthy way

>to cook. We need, as a rule, to stay away from things with a lot of

>breading on them, then fried, but fried foods, in and of themselves, are

>not at all a problem.

>

>Most type two diabetics should avoid breaded foods, the breading has a lot

>of carbohydrates in it and causes raises in your blood glucose, but you do

>not need to avoid frying foods at all.

>

>Dan

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, the myth about staying away from fried foods is perpetuated by the

American Diabetes Association. That organization, in my opinion, is not

your friend.

It is an outright lie that fried foods and fats are bad for you. There are

many fats that are fine, and a few that are not. Avoiding fried foods is

just silly.

As I noted before, foods deep fried in oil that has been reheated are not

good because the oil becomes oxidized and assumes what are called trans

fatty acids.

Having a good balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids is important, you

should eat fish or grass fed beef a couple of times a week, or pork. or

lamb, in order to keep the balance of the different fatty acids proper.

But, telling you to avoid fried foods and fat is not only bad nutrition, it

is damn near criminal in my book.

The body runs on fat and protein, not on carbohydrates. We could, in fact,

live on zero carbs, but we do not need to. Fat can be easily converted in

the body into the glucose needed for energy and brain fuel.

So, enjoy the fried foods, but fry them yourself so you don't get the trans

fat from places like restaurants.

Dan

[Guest guest]

hi dan, oh ok i understand my friend. I will keep this in mind. thanks

again.

charles

> , the myth about staying away from fried foods is perpetuated by the

> American Diabetes Association. That organization, in my opinion, is not

> your friend.

>

> It is an outright lie that fried foods and fats are bad for you. There are

> many fats that are fine, and a few that are not. Avoiding fried foods is

> just silly.

>

> As I noted before, foods deep fried in oil that has been reheated are not

> good because the oil becomes oxidized and assumes what are called trans

> fatty acids.

>

> Having a good balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids is important, you

> should eat fish or grass fed beef a couple of times a week, or pork. or

> lamb, in order to keep the balance of the different fatty acids proper.

>

> But, telling you to avoid fried foods and fat is not only bad nutrition, it

> is damn near criminal in my book.

>

> The body runs on fat and protein, not on carbohydrates. We could, in fact,

> live on zero carbs, but we do not need to. Fat can be easily converted in

> the body into the glucose needed for energy and brain fuel.

>

> So, enjoy the fried foods, but fry them yourself so you don't get the trans

> fat from places like restaurants.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Could you possibly ever promote your way of diet without putting down

another plan that is working for millions of Americans?

I'd be curious to know, but of course, don't expect you to answer, what your

cholesterol readings are?

The ADA recommendations have changed some since the early 1990's, and will

change again, and again and again over the next several decades. The

principles they suggest work for millions, and are the same principles

recommended to all Americans, eat less fatty food, more fruits and

vegetables, whole grains but also, cut down serving sizes. Although we all

probably would love a 12-ounce steak, realize that a normal serving size for

that steak should be 3 ounces--no restaurant will serve that small a steak,

and more is the pity for that.

No food is totally off limits any more, not even sugar, but moderation is

expected, instead of eating a plate of spaghetti which would be the

equivalent of two cups, you should cut the serving size down to less than a

cup, then add something such as salad, vegetables to fill you up.

I will freely admit, I am not an advocate for the Atkinson diet, it actually

scares me, especially for diabetics who have developed kidney problems,

diabetics who have developed heart and circulatory problems also.

I love my meats as much as anyone, no lunch or dinner seems complete without

some of it, but I also enjoy a bit of mashed potato, or a slice of bread,

some vegetables, and fruit. I could easily eight a 6-ounce steak, and I

love bacon in the mornings provided it is crisp, but I'd no sooner think of

eating a pound of it in one meal than I would consider eating a whole loaf

of bread, or a super-size helping of hash-browns.

On the other hand, small portions of any of these foods I find works for me,

and apparently it works for millions of others, Americans or not.

Each of us will have to work to find what works for us. Initially I could

not eat much bread and maintain a blood sugar average of 90, but these days

I can so long as I don't do it every meal, or try to eat the whole loaf.

I can tell you that in the hospital's cardiac rehab program a very similar

diet is recommended, the principles here are to eat more variety in smaller

amounts, Most of us cannot stick to a strictly low-carb diet for life--but

some can and you seem to be one of those who can.

The problem I have with your approach is that you so often want to insist

that because it is working for you it is the only way any of us should go.

I don't think that is fair to the new folks who are trying to find there

way, fine if it works for you say it does, explain what you are doing, but

please, in the interest of allowing each person to find what will work best

for them, and realizing that some things change, don't put down another way

of handling nutrition just because it isn't your way.

Btw, I may agree more with the principles of the ADA than I do with Dr.

Atkinson, but, that doesn't't mean I can strictly adhere to any of them

constantly. I have no problem with your choice for you, and no problem with

your telling others how you are managing, but leave the mud slinging out of

it please!

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

, the myth about staying away from fried foods is perpetuated by the

American Diabetes Association. That organization, in my opinion, is not

your friend.

It is an outright lie that fried foods and fats are bad for you. There are

many fats that are fine, and a few that are not. Avoiding fried foods is

just silly.

As I noted before, foods deep fried in oil that has been reheated are not

good because the oil becomes oxidized and assumes what are called trans

fatty acids.

Having a good balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids is important, you

should eat fish or grass fed beef a couple of times a week, or pork. or

lamb, in order to keep the balance of the different fatty acids proper.

But, telling you to avoid fried foods and fat is not only bad nutrition, it

is damn near criminal in my book.

The body runs on fat and protein, not on carbohydrates. We could, in fact,

live on zero carbs, but we do not need to. Fat can be easily converted in

the body into the glucose needed for energy and brain fuel.

So, enjoy the fried foods, but fry them yourself so you don't get the trans

fat from places like restaurants.

Dan

[Guest guest]

> Dan,

This is a thoughtfully balancd and constructive message. Thank you

Rose! Rita>

> Could you possibly ever promote your way of diet without putting down

> another plan that is working for millions of Americans?

>

> I'd be curious to know, but of course, don't expect you to answer, what your

> cholesterol readings are?

>

> The ADA recommendations have changed some since the early 1990's, and will

> change again, and again and again over the next several decades. The

> principles they suggest work for millions, and are the same principles

> recommended to all Americans, eat less fatty food, more fruits and

> vegetables, whole grains but also, cut down serving sizes. Although we all

> probably would love a 12-ounce steak, realize that a normal serving size for

> that steak should be 3 ounces--no restaurant will serve that small a steak,

> and more is the pity for that.

>

> No food is totally off limits any more, not even sugar, but moderation is

> expected, instead of eating a plate of spaghetti which would be the

> equivalent of two cups, you should cut the serving size down to less than a

> cup, then add something such as salad, vegetables to fill you up.

>

> I will freely admit, I am not an advocate for the Atkinson diet, it actually

> scares me, especially for diabetics who have developed kidney problems,

> diabetics who have developed heart and circulatory problems also.

>

> I love my meats as much as anyone, no lunch or dinner seems complete without

> some of it, but I also enjoy a bit of mashed potato, or a slice of bread,

> some vegetables, and fruit. I could easily eight a 6-ounce steak, and I

> love bacon in the mornings provided it is crisp, but I'd no sooner think of

> eating a pound of it in one meal than I would consider eating a whole loaf

> of bread, or a super-size helping of hash-browns.

>

> On the other hand, small portions of any of these foods I find works for me,

> and apparently it works for millions of others, Americans or not.

>

> Each of us will have to work to find what works for us. Initially I could

> not eat much bread and maintain a blood sugar average of 90, but these days

> I can so long as I don't do it every meal, or try to eat the whole loaf.

>

> I can tell you that in the hospital's cardiac rehab program a very similar

> diet is recommended, the principles here are to eat more variety in smaller

> amounts, Most of us cannot stick to a strictly low-carb diet for life--but

> some can and you seem to be one of those who can.

>

> The problem I have with your approach is that you so often want to insist

> that because it is working for you it is the only way any of us should go.

> I don't think that is fair to the new folks who are trying to find there

> way, fine if it works for you say it does, explain what you are doing, but

> please, in the interest of allowing each person to find what will work best

> for them, and realizing that some things change, don't put down another way

> of handling nutrition just because it isn't your way.

>

> Btw, I may agree more with the principles of the ADA than I do with Dr.

> Atkinson, but, that doesn't't mean I can strictly adhere to any of them

> constantly. I have no problem with your choice for you, and no problem with

> your telling others how you are managing, but leave the mud slinging out of

> it please!

>

>

>

>

> Rose Combs

> rosecombs@...

>

>

> Re: to bread, or not to bread?

>

>

> , the myth about staying away from fried foods is perpetuated by the

> American Diabetes Association. That organization, in my opinion, is not

> your friend.

>

> It is an outright lie that fried foods and fats are bad for you. There are

> many fats that are fine, and a few that are not. Avoiding fried foods is

> just silly.

>

> As I noted before, foods deep fried in oil that has been reheated are not

> good because the oil becomes oxidized and assumes what are called trans

> fatty acids.

>

> Having a good balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids is important, you

> should eat fish or grass fed beef a couple of times a week, or pork. or

> lamb, in order to keep the balance of the different fatty acids proper.

>

> But, telling you to avoid fried foods and fat is not only bad nutrition, it

> is damn near criminal in my book.

>

> The body runs on fat and protein, not on carbohydrates. We could, in fact,

> live on zero carbs, but we do not need to. Fat can be easily converted in

> the body into the glucose needed for energy and brain fuel.

>

> So, enjoy the fried foods, but fry them yourself so you don't get the trans

> fat from places like restaurants.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Rose, I will not ever stop dissing the American Death

Association. Their plan only works because many people are not as

seriously affected as they could be with some of the nastier side effects

of diabetes. There are a few people who cannot go low carb, those with

compromised kidneys, but the ADA would have us believe that one can eat far

more carbs than are healthful and be just fine, it simply is not true.

I'm sorry if it offends, but it would be unethical of me to not speak

against them at every opportunity.

I pay no attention to my cholesterol readings, Rose. The reason is because

I've studied and studied and done the statistical analyses myself, and am

thoroughly convinced that dietary cholesterol does not increase serum

cholesterol, and more important, serum cholesterol numbers are unimportant,

except for a small number of people who have a genetic abnormality that

makes them require very low cholesterol readings.

This entire myth relating to blood fat and cholesterol levels has been

exposed in several media outlets and people should no longer be concerned

with their dietary intake of cholesterol or fats, so long as there is a

good balance of fatty acids.

Sorry, the ADA principles only appear to work because people take

medications that are affecting them in other ways. I'm speaking here of

type twos, of course. No medication that a type two can take is without

serious side effects, given sufficient time. The ADA diet guarantees you

will have to use one of the meds around, unless you have a very mild case

of type two. Considering this, I will never be silent about the damage

they are doing.

Most type two diabetics, Rose, can get their glucose readings down to 105

by eliminating most carbohydrates. Sadly, most do it by medications

instead, and this is largely because of the perfidy of the ADA.

I recommend you get and read the Diabetes Solution, by Dr. K.

Bernstein. It is technical and requires close attention, but he will

explain the biochemistry of insulin and the body and will tell you why the

ADA diet is killing people, slowly but surely.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Let me know when you have your first heart attack, I see it coming.

By the way, I write based on over 25 years of working in the medical field,

working for cardiologists, endocrinologists and general practitioners.

There are other options out there, carbohydrates are not totally bad for

you.

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Sorry Rose, I will not ever stop dissing the American Death

Association. Their plan only works because many people are not as

seriously affected as they could be with some of the nastier side effects

of diabetes. There are a few people who cannot go low carb, those with

compromised kidneys, but the ADA would have us believe that one can eat far

more carbs than are healthful and be just fine, it simply is not true.

I'm sorry if it offends, but it would be unethical of me to not speak

against them at every opportunity.

I pay no attention to my cholesterol readings, Rose. The reason is because

I've studied and studied and done the statistical analyses myself, and am

thoroughly convinced that dietary cholesterol does not increase serum

cholesterol, and more important, serum cholesterol numbers are unimportant,

except for a small number of people who have a genetic abnormality that

makes them require very low cholesterol readings.

This entire myth relating to blood fat and cholesterol levels has been

exposed in several media outlets and people should no longer be concerned

with their dietary intake of cholesterol or fats, so long as there is a

good balance of fatty acids.

Sorry, the ADA principles only appear to work because people take

medications that are affecting them in other ways. I'm speaking here of

type twos, of course. No medication that a type two can take is without

serious side effects, given sufficient time. The ADA diet guarantees you

will have to use one of the meds around, unless you have a very mild case

of type two. Considering this, I will never be silent about the damage

they are doing.

Most type two diabetics, Rose, can get their glucose readings down to 105

by eliminating most carbohydrates. Sadly, most do it by medications

instead, and this is largely because of the perfidy of the ADA.

I recommend you get and read the Diabetes Solution, by Dr. K.

Bernstein. It is technical and requires close attention, but he will

explain the biochemistry of insulin and the body and will tell you why the

ADA diet is killing people, slowly but surely.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

Dan

[Guest guest]

---Ha Ha...low fat nazis? are those similar to the diabetic police?

Im sorry but I couldnt resist.

Diane

In blind-diabetics@y..., The Scarlet Wombat <coconut@m...> wrote:

> Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for

over 40

> years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much

lower

> than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

>

> I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the explanation, I think. I was originally thinking you were

saying fatty acids were some kind of good, or better, fat. I suppose good

fat is an oximoron (not sure of spelling).

Dave

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

> Dave, fatty acids are long chains of carbon atoms with an assortment of

> hydrogen and oxygen and a few other atoms strung along for the ride. They

> are not acids in the same sense as, say, sulfuric acid is an acid, but in

> organic chemistry, the word acid has a somewhat different meaning.

>

> Most of what are popularly called fats are composed of one or more fatty

> acids. The correct term for dietary fat is lipid.

>

> Saturated fats have a different kind of hydrogen bonding that makes them

> solid at room temperature. Even your solid underarm deodorant uses

stearic

> acid, a very long chain fatty acid.

>

> Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats are liquid at room temperature,

> they are shorter chain fatty acids.

>

> The fatty acids may be classified into other groupings, according to the

> way they oxidize and are treated by the body. Hence, the so-called omega

3

> and omega 6 fatty acids. The numbers refer to the places on the long

chain

> where certain pieces of the molecule are attached.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't feel diluted, and I feel comfortable with my choices because it

seems to be working for millions of people, not just a few thousand.

Besides, having been on several diets during my lifetime, I know how

difficult it is if I and many others are told that almost anything is off

limits. It is not sensible. I am keeping my blood sugars under good

control, losing weight and not giving up things I like, just eating smaller

portions than I did in the past. At first even that was difficult, but now

it is not.

There is more than one way to do this, as a diabetic I would most certainly

hesitate to do Atkinson that is my decision, since what I am doing is

working as well for me as what you are doing is working for you, I should

think it would be in the best interests of the list that we not insist only

our way is the correct one.

Again, my background to make these decisions is based on experience and over

25 years of working in the medical field.

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

Dan

[Guest guest]

I think Rose has a very good point here. I feel that basically Americans

eat their meals in large proportions, and they probably could get by on

about one third of the food they eat.

An old chinese proverb goes some thing like this:

One third of what you eat is for your body requirements and the second one

third is for your satisfaction and extra energy and the last third of what

we eat is to make the doctor rich.

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

>

>

> Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

> years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

> than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

>

> I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rose, I agree with you about your dietary approach as well as your opinion

that different things work for different people. The ironic thing about

all of this is that, if those who are proponents of the Atkins diet thought

that just one thing worked for everyone, they wouldn't be on that diet or

taking vitamin supplements or anything else they are doing that is contrary

to the recommended and established medical treatment for

diabetes. Unfortunately there are those who spend their lives on a soapbox

and who cannot hear or accept as valid any philosophy other than their own,

and who are just as dogmatic and immovable in their point of view as the

people they are putting down. I have always found that, if those people

are ignored, they will soon go away or at least won't have any excuse for

touting their intolerant stance. By now I think we all know what some will

say anyhow, Lord knows it has been expressed long and loud, and it isn't

going to change. All that I can advise is that you consider the

source. LaWanda

[Guest guest]

I agree with that one hundred percent! LaWanda

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose:

i too feel that I can do much better with my diabetes just by cutting down

on my portions and being sensible about what I eat. It has taken me a long

time but since I have started just cutting down, about six years ago, I have

lost about 125 pounds. It is slow but steady. I tried the atkins diet

years ago. It worked grate while I was on it. I lost tons. As soon as I

strayed however, I gained it all back with intrest. That seems to happen to

me no matter what strict diet I go on. I find that by eating sensibley and

smaller portions that I no longer have that yoyo effect. Sometimes I go a

few weeks without loosing anything at all but I am getting there. I have a

long ways to go though. I really enjoy this list. I think that people

should stick with what works best for them as long as it is healthy and they

can live with the day to day business of a healthy diet. Talk to you all

later. I have to get ready to go and do some errands.

Love and hugs Wishy and Moka kitty. P.S. Any other crazys out there

besides me listening to Christmas music already?

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Good for you, Rose. I believe a low fat diet is essential. I had quadruple

by-pass 12 years ago. I was told when I had it that I would probably have

to have another one in 6 or 7 years. I have followed a very low fat diet

ever since then and my heart is in really good shape with no further

blockage. I think people use fat differantly and maybe some people can eat

fats with no problems-I am not one of them and don't want to try.

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Please remove me from all the email lists Thank you

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't know what you mean about crazies listening to Christmas music

already. It's the " already " that gets to me. My wife and daughter ride me

all year because I whistle Christmas carols all year. I keep telling them

that it's because I have Christmas in my heart all year; but, alas, it

doesn't do any good. They keep bugging me about it. But, in the Christmas

spirit, I forgive them and keep whistling away.

Thanks,

Walt

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

Hi Rose:

i too feel that I can do much better with my diabetes just by cutting down

on my portions and being sensible about what I eat. It has taken me a long

time but since I have started just cutting down, about six years ago, I have

lost about 125 pounds. It is slow but steady. I tried the atkins diet

years ago. It worked grate while I was on it. I lost tons. As soon as I

strayed however, I gained it all back with intrest. That seems to happen to

me no matter what strict diet I go on. I find that by eating sensibley and

smaller portions that I no longer have that yoyo effect. Sometimes I go a

few weeks without loosing anything at all but I am getting there. I have a

long ways to go though. I really enjoy this list. I think that people

should stick with what works best for them as long as it is healthy and they

can live with the day to day business of a healthy diet. Talk to you all

later. I have to get ready to go and do some errands.

Love and hugs Wishy and Moka kitty. P.S. Any other crazys out there

besides me listening to Christmas music already?

RE: to bread, or not to bread?

Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

Dan

[Guest guest]

There is no question that most people in America eat too much, I've no

argument whatever with that. It seems that the fast food industry and

restaurants in general vie with each other to provide the largest

portions. Classical French cooking involves small portions, but people

complain about spending $25 for small portions because they are mixed up

about the importance of taste versus quantity.

However, for most type two diabetics, good health and long term freedom

from secondary side effects of the disease will require a minimum of

carbohydrates.

There is a myth that is strongly held to about fat in the diet, it started

out as the proclaimation of a senator, not anyone in the medical

establishment, and has turned into a tidal wave of baloney.

Fat is not bad, we evolved eating it, and protein. The diet of humans,

before about 10,000 years ago, was mostly meat or, in season, edible

plants. The amount of meat in most places was up to 80% of the diet. This

is what we have evolved to eat, not processed foods, not grains, and not

legumes.

Most of us could do with an easy one third cut in our food intake, but this

should first be in carbohydrates, then in other foods.

Dan

[Guest guest]

hi, you know something? I had heard some time back that when eating that

once you start eating that it takes 20 menuits, or so for your brain to

tell you that you are full. so, i am wondering if we take longer to eat

that we can get full faster if it only takes 20 menuits. this is what i

was told at the diabetic clenic that I was going to before.

charles

> I think Rose has a very good point here. I feel that basically Americans

> eat their meals in large proportions, and they probably could get by on

> about one third of the food they eat.

> An old chinese proverb goes some thing like this:

> One third of what you eat is for your body requirements and the second one

> third is for your satisfaction and extra energy and the last third of what

> we eat is to make the doctor rich.

>

> RE: to bread, or not to bread?

> >

> >

> > Rose, millions of people have followed an Atkins style diet for over 40

> > years, and the heart attack incidence among them is very low, much lower

> > than that of people following so-called heart healthy diets.

> >

> > I'm sorry you choose to be deluded by the low fat Nazis.

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What are your credentials?

Rose Combs

rosecombs@...

Re: to bread, or not to bread?

There is no question that most people in America eat too much, I've no

argument whatever with that. It seems that the fast food industry and

restaurants in general vie with each other to provide the largest

portions. Classical French cooking involves small portions, but people

complain about spending $25 for small portions because they are mixed up

about the importance of taste versus quantity.

However, for most type two diabetics, good health and long term freedom

from secondary side effects of the disease will require a minimum of

carbohydrates.

There is a myth that is strongly held to about fat in the diet, it started

out as the proclaimation of a senator, not anyone in the medical

establishment, and has turned into a tidal wave of baloney.

Fat is not bad, we evolved eating it, and protein. The diet of humans,

before about 10,000 years ago, was mostly meat or, in season, edible

plants. The amount of meat in most places was up to 80% of the diet. This

is what we have evolved to eat, not processed foods, not grains, and not

legumes.

Most of us could do with an easy one third cut in our food intake, but this

should first be in carbohydrates, then in other foods.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Rose, how about a Master's degree in nutrition?

You are free to dislike me and what I say, we have that freedom and I am

glad of it, but if you really want to present evidence to prove me wrong,

come forth with it and don't ask about my credentials.

Dan

[Guest guest]

I can't resist jumping in here to say that what you are expressing here is

still just an opinion, your credentials have little to do with it. My

sister-in-law has a masters in nutrition as well and is a proponent of the

low fat way of doing things, even for me. LaWanda